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#172 From: rgoodri973 <RGoodri973@...>
Date: Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:09 am
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#170 From: rgoodri973 <RGoodri973@...>
Date: Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:08 am
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http://www.explorehoward.com/sports/61151/howard-county-tennis-patrons-go-big-long-awaited-facility/

[Excerpt from HC Times article 4-16-09]

Bits & Pieces: Howard County Tennis Patrons go big for long-awaited facility

Stan Ber
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Posted 4/16/09
Howard County's swimming and tennis communities have long wanted facilities of their own. I remember when the swimming folks pushed for a 50-meter pool. Their effort proved unsuccessful and they have not revisited the project. The tennis people, on the other hand, have put together a proposal to build a $28 million tennis facility as part of the 108-acre Troy Hill Park.

The tennis facility, located between Route 1 and Interstate 95 in Elkridge, would be run by the Howard County Tennis Patrons, an organization formed in 2004 to promote the growth of tennis in Howard County.

This would be a nonprofit venture with all revenues going back to the facility. According to Art Tollick, president of the HCTP, his group has spent more than $150,000 on legal, financial planning and other fees to get the project going.

The Tennis and Learning Center at Troy Park, as it will be called, would occupy 16 acres and include eight indoor courts, 16 outdoor courts and one championship court. The majority of the courts would be hard-surfaced.

The facility would also include offices for the United States Tennis Association's Maryland Division, conference rooms, locker rooms, in-house storage, a tennis shop and parking.

Bob Anderman, HCTP program coordinator, told me that this new facility would have a major impact on the entire Mid-Atlantic area.

The Patrons have a tentative commitment from the Women's Tennis Association to bring one of its six major Tier-I tournaments to this facility should it be built.

"Getting one of those would be a major coup for Howard County tennis and for the county as a whole," Anderman said.

If everything goes as hoped, the Patrons are looking for the facility to be ready for play by 2011. They held a meeting April 15 to energize supporters, both financially and politically, to gain the all-important support of members of the county council.

My major concern is the $28 million. Tollick, who has been involved in this project for years, told me that the Patrons have already formulated a financial plan and that bringing in a major tournament could bring in as much as $6 million, and attract national television coverage as well.

If the women's tournament comes in and likes the facility, which is highly likely, I would expect that a men's tournament would not be that far behind.

There are a number of other revenue streams that could prove profitable. The Patrons have reached an agreement with the University of Maryland, Baltimore County and Howard Community College on use of the facility.

I like people and organizations that think big. The Patrons have done that and then some.


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#169 From: rgoodri973 <RGoodri973@...>
Date: Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:09 am
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Thursday, February 26, 2009

More on the tennis facility

I am a little skeptical of the proposed 30-court tennis complex that is proposed for Elkridge. I was initially unclear as to how the facility was supposed to be funded. At first I thought that private corps would fund the whole thing, but then I began to suspect that the County would at least be asked to guarantee the debt which was expected to be paid by user fees. According to Explore Howard, the entire facility is supposed to funded with private money and was approved on the basis that the thing could be built without money from the county. The group spearheading the project would just be leasing land already owned by the county. If that is the case, that is not as bad as I thought.

However, one thing that gives me a pause is how the group spearheading this effort, the Howard County Tennis Patrons, was originally reported to have $500,000 in equity to put into the $25 million project. Now all of the sudden they have $8 million to put into the project. How does $7.5 million show up out of the blue in less than 2 months, especially in this economic climate? That is very suspicious.

Tollick said the complex would cost about $25 million to build. He said $8 million of that will be raised by HCTP, the remaining $17 million financed through other means, such as private partners.

Enright said that the county is unlikely to take part in funding the project.

"This project was approved based on no county funding being required to complete the tennis facility," he said.

While $25 million seems like a steep price considering the current economic turmoil, Tollick said the fiscal upside of the project outweighs the negatives.

"We think this holds great economic potential," he said. "We have already talked with the USTA about bringing tournaments here, and we'd like to even bring in the (Women's Tennis Association)."

Both Arthur and Enright noted the potential boon for local restaurants, hotels and businesses if such tournaments -- especially WTA events -- could be brought to Elkridge.


Let's hope the county does not have to put in any money. I'd be totally jazzed about this facility if the county was not involved at any level. But something just does not add up with this, and if anyone is being played for a sucker, it will be the county.
Posted by FreeMarket at 7:16 PM

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jim adams said...

There is no sport I love playing more than tennis.

There is no sport facility I would want more in Howard Co.

The only thing I want more is for the county to stay totally out the tennis business. This should be completely private.

I would have said this in the best of times.

I feel that a government supported horse park, and I love riding, swimming pools for our schools, and I love swimming, and at this time tennis courts, my favorite sport, show just how poor our business judgement is, and how great our arrogance could be.

February 26, 2009 11:40 PM
PZGURU said...

Not that I'm the most "optimistic" person around, but now could be the best time to build the facility. Contractors are desperate for work and as such the price tag to build it is probably as affordable as it would ever be.

As a tennis enthusiast, I'd be all for contributing to the funds, although I don't know if it's open to carpetbaggers from Carroll County.

February 27, 2009 5:37 PM
billz said...

I'm in line with Jim Adams. I love tennis but this facility sounds too good to be true. I've played tennis for years in the county and never heard of the Howard County Tennis Patrons. If they can pony up the money, that's fantastic. But I'm a little suspicious that there's more to the story. I don't think the money should come from public coffers, even if it would be "stimulative."

If it does come to be built with private financing, I'd be delighted and happy to support it. I'd even be happy to support the Howard County Tennis Patrons if I knew who they were.

February 27, 2009 10:52 PM
FreeMarket said...

PZG- I agree that now is a good time to build it as far as getting a low price for the construction. But I line up with the other two commentors who do not want to see any government involvement. Honestly, I even have a problem with HoCo leasing land. I don’t wish to pay taxes so that my government can fund ventures into real estate investing with my money.

If this tennis park can be built with private funds, I don’t understand why they just don’t build the thing rather than playing grab ass with the Department of Rec and Parks and elected officials.

February 28, 2009 1:50 PM
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Oh, I completely agree that public funds (government $$$) should NOT be used.

I have firmly believed, all my life, that these types of ventures that are desired by a small percentage of the public should not be publicly funded.

March 2, 2009 1:35 PM

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#168 From: rgoodri973 <RGoodri973@...>
Date: Sun Apr 5, 2009 12:30 pm
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http://www.howardcountymd.gov/DOA/DOApdfs/CapitalBudget_04_01_09ProposedWEB.pdf 

[page 565 of 858 pages]

Fiscal 2010 Capital Budget

Project: FY2003 TROY PARK & HISTORIC REHABILITATION

RECREATION and PARKS

PROJECTS

Number: N3957

Project Status:

2.75 acres are under negotiation. A forest and wetland delineation is complete. The National Park Service has performed an emergency stabilization of the mansion along with measured drawings and archeology studies. The rehabilitation plans for the house are in progress. The architect has prepared concept plans, and the Maryland Historical Trust has given approval. The County will be working with the Howard County Tennis Patrons to develope [sic] a gound [sic] lease for the development of a tennis complex. This ground lease must be approved by County Council.

$900,763 spent and encumbered through February 2009.


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#167 From: rgoodri973 <RGoodri973@...>
Date: Sun Apr 5, 2009 12:27 pm
Subject: Balt Sun excerpt re CAP BUDGET: Spending plan boosts Ellicott City, Elkridge 		deg62
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As expected, no pool funding ... looks like FY2011 will be the next budget cycle to ask for it. 

Thanks for sending your emails/testimony and for keeping the "thought" alive on public officials' minds.  We don't want to let officials forget about the project ... we want to keep the buzz going each year.  Calvert County took 20 years of buzz before they finally got their first public indoor pool (50-meter).  Apparently HoCo is following suit.

Interesting reporting below ... Carson refers to the aquatic center as a "50-meter indoor swimming pool" project ... whereas the R&P Board hasn't even determined that any future public aquatic center would have that type of pool.  Apparently enough citizens are advocating for that type of pool that it's resonating with either the public officials, or the reporters -- or both (a good thing)!

Diane

[EXCERPT FROM baltimoresun.com]

www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/howard/bal-ho.ulman05apr05,0,1978943.story

Spending plan boosts Ellicott City, Elkridge

Areas to receive large share of construction budget

By Larry Carson | larry.carson@...

April 5, 2009

Ellicott City and Elkridge would be the biggest beneficiaries of the $392 million capital budget proposed by Howard County Executive Ken Ulman.

The major renovation of Mount Hebron High School in Ellicott City would get another $16.5 million, Northfield Elementary would get an $11.1 million makeover into a certified "green" building, and the big new Miller library on Frederick Road would get $14.5 million to complete construction.

That's not all.

A temporary $4.1 million fire station would be built at the county's Mayfield Highway shop, and money to plan an addition to Bellows Spring Elementary also is included in the plan Ulman unveiled Wednesday. The county executive also is asking for $1.6 million to build the first two playing fields, bathrooms, a gazebo and parking at Troy Hill Park, at Route 100 and Interstate 95, in Elkridge.

"I am pleased we're able to make significant progress in the core priorities of public safety and education," he said.

Still some projects, such as building a 50-meter indoor swimming pool at an as-yet-undetermined location, were left out.

Ulman is asking for authority to borrow up to $100 million by selling general bonds to help finance the projects. ...

... Highlights

Total amount: $392 million

Schools: $68.8 million

Water and sewer: $95 million

Howard Community College: $4.3 million

Libraries: $15.1 million

Recreation and Parks: $10.3 million


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#166 From: rgoodri973 <RGoodri973@...>
Date: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:04 am
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* * * * * * *   R  E  M  I  N  D  E  R  * * * * * * *

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* * * * * * *   R  E  M  I  N  D  E  R  * * * * * * *

 

 

In November, the Rec & Parks Board voted to “accept” the Aquatic Feasibility Study, acknowledging that the need for public aquatics exists, but that the funding does not.   In December, County Executive Ken Ulman heard the first round of citizen testimony on the FY2010 Capital Budget.

  

The next round of citizens' testimony on FY2010 Capital Budget is Wed.,  March 18, 7:30pm (sign-in testimony starts 6:30pm), in the Board Room at the Howard Co. Dept. of Education building, 10910 Route 108,  Ellicott City,  21042 (NOTE:  Alternate location due to county offices’ renovation.) 

 

Attend or speak at the March 18th Budget Hearing -- and/or file online testimony by March 17 via this county website link:   http://www.howardcountymd.gov/DOA/BO_GiveTestimony.asp  to offer your ideas for future aquatics in our county (including the issue of High School Swimming), your support for partnerships between agencies (the county, the school system, and possibly CA) as a necessity for a large capital project like a 50-meter pool. 

 

The important thing is your continued advocacy for aquatics at each stage of the budget process to send a message to Mr. Ulman that once the county coffers start flowing again -- whether for FY2010 or future budget cycles -- a 50-meter pool is a priority!

 

To stay current on the developments and public meetings that may impact this issue, please join the new FACEBOOK group: "Howard County Aquatics Advocates" <http://www.facebook...com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=72599675469> (and click "Join this Group") and/or join the YAHOO group "HoCo4a50meterPool" <http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/HoCo4a50meterPool/> (and click "Join this Group") .


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#165 From: rgoodri973 <RGoodri973@...>
Date: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:27 pm
Subject: Your advocacy needed to support acquatics in HoCo for 50-meter Pool @ Mar 18 Public Hearing 		deg62
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In November, the Rec & Parks Board voted to “accept” the Aquatic Feasibility Study, acknowledging that the need for public aquatics exists, but that the funding does not.   In December, County Executive Ken Ulman heard the first round of citizen testimony on the FY2010 Capital Budget.

  

The next round of citizens' testimony on FY2010 Capital Budget is Wed.,  March 18, 7:30pm (sign-in testimony starts 6:30pm), in the Board Room at the Howard Co. Dept. of Education building, 10910 Route 108,  Ellicott City,  21042 (NOTE:  Alternate location due to county offices’ renovation.) 

 

Attend or speak at the March 18th Budget Hearing and/or file online testimony by March 17 via this county website link   http://www.howardcountymd.gov/DOA/BO_GiveTestimony.asp to offer your ideas for future aquatics in our county (including the issue of High School Swimming), your support for partnerships between agencies (the county, the school system, and possibly CA) as a necessity for a large capital project like a 50-meter pool. 

 

The important thing is your continued advocacy for aquatics at each stage of the budget process to send a message to Mr. Ulman that once the county coffers start flowing again -- whether for FY2010 or future budget cycles -- a 50-meter pool is a priority!

 

To stay current on the developments and public meetings that may impact this issue, please join the new FACEBOOK group: "Howard County Aquatics Advocates" <http://www.facebook..com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=72599675469> (and click "Join this Group").

 

Please feel free to forward to other aquatics advocates in Howard County. 

 


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#164 From: rgoodri973 <RGoodri973@...>
Date: Wed Mar 4, 2009 8:27 pm
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County Executive Schedules Public Hearings on FY 2010 Budget  -- County Executive Ken Ulman invites citizens to share their priorities for the FY2010 budget. The first hearing will be held on Wednesday, March 18 at 7:30 p.m., in the Board Room of the Department of Education, 10910 Route 108.  The second hearing will be on March 19 at 1:00 p.m. at the Bain Center, 5470 Ruth Keeton Way in Columbia.      

 

Citizens can now sign up ON LINE to speak at the hearing by going to the County’s website at www.howardcountymd.gov and click on the Budget Testimony link provided near the top right corner of the homepage.  That same link provides the option to submit on-line budget testimony.

 

Those who wish to sign-up in person may do so.  Sign-up for the March 18 evening hearing begins at 6:30 p.m.; sign-up for the March 19 afternoon hearing begins at 12:30 p.m.  Testimony at both hearings will be heard on a first-to-sign-up, first-to-speak basis. One person signing for multiple people to testify will not be permitted.

 

 

Courtney Watson

Howard County Council, District 1

 

 

 


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For those of you who are already on Facebook, or would like to join it (it's free), here's the link to the group's FB page ... PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD to other aquatics advocates/patrons in Howard County, and invite them to join this new Facebook group. 
 
The full name of this Facebook group is HOWARD COUNTY AQUATICS ADVOCATES and here's the link:
 
We encourage all aquatics advocates and their friends to join this FB group to help build an "aquatics presence" in Howard County, so that we can be more organized and effective in dialog with public officials.
 
Swimmers/aquatics users of ALL ages are encouraged to join, so spread the word to every swimmer!
 
 

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#162 From: rgoodri973 <RGoodri973@...>
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EXCERPT FROM THE HOWARD COUNTY TIMES

Tennis complex edges closer to construction

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Posted 2/26/09
A group of county tennis enthusiasts is edging closer to constructing a sprawling tennis complex near Interstate 95 and Route 100.

Art Tollick, president of Howard County Tennis Patrons, said his group is in the final steps of negotiating a lease for a tract of county-owned land that is part of the long-planned Troy Hill Regional Park near Elkridge.

If the group succeeds, Tollick said, it would give them the land needed to launch construction of the Troy Park Tennis & Learning Center, a 30-court tennis complex the group is hoping will boost regional interest in tennis and perhaps bring high-profile tennis players to the area.

"There are parks with small clusters of tennis courts around the county," Tollick said. "But the only really good location is Columbia Association, and that's no good if you live outside of Columbia."

Plans for the 16-acre center, which would be operated by a joint partnership between the HCTP and United States Tennis Association's Maryland Division, include 30 fully lit, state-of-the-art tennis courts. Eight to 11 of those courts would be indoors, allowing for play year-round.

Additionally, the center would include a court within a small stadium, which supporters hope could be used for tournaments and as a center for private tennis lessons.

County leaders on board

While negotiations for the land are not yet finalized, top county officials praised the project.

Gary Arthur, director of the county's Department of Recreation and Parks, said he liked the idea of a public-private partnership between the county and HCTP.

"Instead of us paying for tennis courts, they're making the center and a number of its courts available to us," Arthur said. "That's a great amenity that will already be there as we build the rest of the park."

The county has for years been planning a regional park at the site, which would include a community center, ball fields, two playgrounds and a possible dirt-bike track, Arthur said.

He said lease negotiations for the tennis center are about 85 percent complete, and he expects them to be finalized within a few months.

"Once that's done, I'd say we're well on our way," he said.

Through a spokesman, County Executive Kenneth Ulman also lauded the project.

"Executive Ulman believes this is an exciting opportunity to jump-start Troy Park and also to bring a true sports tourism attraction to Howard County," Kevin Enright stated in an e-mail.

"This project could benefit not only the tennis community and the Elkridge area but also the entire county through its economic development impact."

Private financing sought

Tollick said the complex would cost about $25 million to build. He said $8 million of that will be raised by HCTP, the remaining $17 million financed through other means, such as private partners.

Enright said that the county is unlikely to take part in funding the project.


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#161 From: rgoodri973 <RGoodri973@...>
Date: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:12 pm
Subject: Troy Park, Elkridge - FY10 Budget sent - Tennis Complex 		deg62
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Earlier today I sent a 2-page doc (from the FY10 Budget) to the FILES page of our Yahoogroup.  It shows that Rec & Parks is working with Howard County Tennis Patrons to develop a ground lease for the development of their tennis complex -- the budget report doesn't mention the 2 tennis stadiums, so this is something that hasn't been publicized yet.
 
FYI, R&P Director Gary Arthur told Courtney Watson's office last week:
 
        "Based on our latest layout, the proposed tennis facility takes up the approximate area:

         1.  Outdoor Courts (18) = 116,640 square feet
         2.  Stadium = 56,102 square feet
         3.  Indoor Tennis building = 73,824 square feet
         4.  Small Stadium = 21,175 square feet
         5.  Parking = 80,798 square feet
         Total 348,539 square feet = 8 acres (This total does not include any plaza areas, green areas
         or grading for the project.)"
 
The Sun reported on 1-4-09 that the tennis facility would be on 16 acres, and did not report anything about 2 tennis stadiums, only that the tennis complex's indoor building would have 11 indoor courts, and that there would be 19 outdoor courts.  I'm guessing the Sun reporter misunderstood the architect's rendering (shown in the newspaper as a graphic) and miscounted one of the stadiums as a (regular) court.
 
According to the FY10 Budget reportTroy Park will eventually be a 106-acre regional park serving the Elkridge Planning Area.
 
Diane

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correction to statement below:
tennis advocates have raised $200K and say they can raise another $300K  -- for a TOTAL of $500K.
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In a message dated 02/06/09 14:18:21 Eastern Standard Time, rgoodri973 writes:
This tennis complex capital project is being considered because HoCo tennis advocates have raised $200K, and say they can probably raise another $500K
 

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#158 From: rgoodri973 <RGoodri973@...>
Date: Fri Feb 6, 2009 7:19 pm
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FYI.  We’ll send you a copy of the budget pages tomorrow.  I don’t see it online yet.

 

Terry

 

 

 

 

Hi Terry

 We have presented the plan for two years at GECA membership meetings. We will work with the GECA sub-committee on Parks when the funding is approved. GECA supported the Tennis Complex by letter to me and the Exec. last year, I believe Howard signed the letter as president.. The plan should be on our Web site by the end of the week. The budget is available online under the DPW website under capital budget. The budget number is N-3957. The two stadiums will be for tournament play,one will seat 1000 and the other will seat 8,000. They (HCTP) will have a web site developed when a lease is finalized with the County showing their plans.  EYO asked the dept. to light the tennis courts at Rockburn to support their new sport initiative for EYO Youth Tennis League.  As you know the public process includes public comment starting with the R&P board meeting this past DEC.( one person testified in support of Troy) and concluding with the Capital budget approval in May. If you have any further Questions please let me know.

>>> Terry Chaconas <tchaconas@...> 2/4/2009 10:20 AM >>>

Hi Gary,

Thanks for the information.  A couple follow up questions -

What type of stadiums are these?  What type of seating?  Where can a citizen find complete information (proposed budget, design) about the park's plans?  Will there be a public presentation for example?  

Thank you.

Terry x3110

 

 

 


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#157 From: rgoodri973 <RGoodri973@...>
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FYI - This is regarding a proposed mega-tennis park at Troy Hill (Elkridge, just off Rt 1).   This tennis complex capital project is being considered because HoCo tennis advocates have raised $200K, and say they can probably raise another $500K -- which will pay for the parking lot of this complex. The projected total cost is $20M. 
 
Sweet deal -- for a 1% - 2.5% investment in the cost, tennis advocates might get a $20M facility in return!  It's because they're organized, have cash upfront ($200K in pocket), so the county is willing to wheel and deal.
 
I will send another email regarding the tennis stadiums. 
 
Diane

Diane,

 

Here is some information we received from Rec & Parks regarding the proposed tennis complex:

 

<<<<Based on our latest layout, the proposed tennis facility takes up the approximate area:

1.  Outdoor Courts (18) = 116,640 square feet
2.  Stadium = 56,102 square feet
3.  Indoor Tennis building = 73,824 square feet
4.  Small Stadium = 21,175 square feet
5.  Parking = 80,798 square feet
Total 348,539 square feet = 8 acres

This total does not include any plaza areas, green areas or grading for the project. >>>>

 

Please let us know of any follow up questions or if you need additional information.

Sincerely,

Terry

 

Teresa M. Chaconas

Special Assistant, Council member Courtney Watson

Howard County Council

Distr. 1 Representative

410/313-3110

 



 

 

From: RGoodri973@... [mailto:RGoodri973@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:56 AM
To: Courtney Watson
Cc: Terry Chaconas
Subject: Re: Question about Troy Hill park complex

 

Hi Courtney and Terry,

 

Just following up to see if you ever heard back from Rec & Parks on the acreage of the OUTDOOR tennis courts, as per the architect's rendering shown in newspaper article referenced below?  (I'd also be interested in the acreage for the indoor tennis tennis facility.)  The article says the total acreage (indoor + outdoor) would be 16.  I'd like to know the split between indoor and outdoor, including auxiliary areas (sheds, storage buildings, concession stands, etc.)  and green spaces of the plan dedicated to tennis complex.

 

Since I can't find any information about this online (on Rec & Parks capital projects and park planning page), I thought your office might have it, either from the tennis group or from Rec & Parks.

 

Thanks,

Diane Goodridge

Ellicott City

 

In a message dated 1/9/2009 2:16:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cwatson@... writes:

Hi Diane,

 

You have raised some good questions.  I have asked Terry to check with Rec & Parks and get back to us on this. 

 

Thank you and I appreciate your support.   Happy 2009!

Courtney

 

 

From: RGoodri973@... [mailto:RGoodri973@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:56 PM
To: Courtney Watson; Terry Chaconas
Subject: Question about Troy Hill park complex

 

Hi Courtney and Terry,

 

Thanks for your report, and for your untiring dedication to District One citizens and all county residents.

 

Reading the Sun's recent article (Serving Up Park Funds, Jan 4) regarding the possibility of a mega-tennis complex (11 indoor courts plus 19 outdoor courts), leaves me wondering about the specific acreage used for that design:  how many acres will be dedicated to the 19 outdoor courts, and how many acres (or square feet) will be needed for the indoor facility? 

 

Seems that 19 outdoor courts is a terribly inefficient use of land, given that the outdoor courts cannot be used 6+ months out of the year and given that only 4 people (max) at a time can use any one court.  Is concentrating 19 outdoor courts in one location really bringing accessibility to tennis?  Seems like spreading out the outdoor courts over more parkland (throughout the county) would give greater accessibility than concentrating them in one spot.

 

Instead of those 19 outdoor courts, how about putting a more efficient leisure facility on that land ... like an indoor 50-meter pool/aquatic center?  Square foot by square foot, I bet there'd be more recreation users in an aquatic facility than on 19 outdoor tennis courts.

 

Thanks for any information you can offer on the tennis complex design and land use figures.

 

Warm regards, and happy new year!

Diane Goodridge

 

 

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Sorry, my message was truncated in the Balto Sun story I sent the other day.  What I meant to say was:
 
What amazes me about this story is how minimal an amount of private money ($200K with a intent to raise a total of $500K) may "commit" the county to spending $20M -- more than half of the land (19 outdoor courts) which will be unusable the majority of the year.  Seems like an inefficient use of land, especially when considering the maximum # of users per tennis court is 4 -- and even that's for less than 6 months out of the year. 
 
I can rationalize developing a large INDOOR tennis complex -- it can be used year round -- but how can you justify putting 19 outdoor courts in one spot??  If you want to make tennis accessible, you spread it out to different locations (like the park system currently does) or you create INDOOR tennis spaces to bring more accessibility year round.
 
A 50-meter pool seems like a good use for the extensive grounds of the Troy Hill Park complex ... at least the number of users per square foot in swimming greatly exceeds the number of users per square foot in tennis.  Land is a hot commodity ... why we'd want to put 19 OUTDOOR tennis courts  in one place is beyond me.  Do we really need the largest tennis facility in the mid-Atlantic region?
 
The Tennis Patrons' $200K-$500K investment is a terrific investment on their part ... for a drop in the bucket (1% to 2.5% of the project cost) you can "buy" the county and they'll do whatever you want.  What a bargain!  I guess that's all WE would need to raise/commit to get a 50-M pool on the project plan.
 
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By Larry Carson | larry.carson@baltsun.com

January 4 2009

A private group's plans to finance construction of a regional tennis center in Elkridge could help advance county plans to develop the long-planned Troy Hill Regional Park into a community jewel on a historic site.

The complete article can be viewed at:
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complex

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A private group's plans to finance construction of a regional tennis center in
Elkridge could help advance county plans to develop the long-planned Troy Hill
Regional Park into a community jewel on a historic site.

The complete article can be viewed at:
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Ms. Goodridge
 Great info and comments. We will pursue these contacts and information while trying to establish a viable process to bring county wide aquatics to all Howard County citizens. Happy Holidays !!!

>>> <RGoodri973@...> 12/19/2008 10:27 AM >>>
Dear Mr. Ulman and Mr. Arthur:
 
Once again, thank you for your prompt email responses to my testimony.  I wanted to circulate an Addendum (below) to my testimony earlier this week that contains examples of local 50-meter pools whose revenues exceed expenses.  These examples would be the models that we'd want to emulate, since their success is proven.  Another factor that probably contributes to their success is location and accessibility to major roads/highways.
 
Regards,
Diane Goodridge 
 

ADDENDUM to Diane Goodridge’s FY10 Budget Testimony, 12-18-08

 

One weakness of Howard County’s Aquatic Feasibility Study is its Opinion of Revenue for the 50-meter pool (Section 8: Operations).  When I first saw these figures I thought they seemed low, and if that is true, the report would underestimate revenue projections for this type of pool.  So I contacted surrounding counties as a point of comparison.  Here’s some of what I discovered in my search for revenue data in this DC/Baltimore aquatics market:

 

·         The report assumes 30 programming days for Swim Meet Rentals for a 50-meter pool.  This compares to 46 programming days in the 2008-09 season (Oct 2008-July 2009), that  the PGCo/MNCPPC Fairland Aquatic Center has scheduled for swim meets (i.e.,  # of days its 50-meter pool will be closed or have limited lanes). 

 

·         The report projects $36,000 net revenues annually for swim meet rentals, based on 30 programming days and based on $1,200 per meet (day).  This compares with Fairfax County’s Oak Marr RECenter’s  average swim meet rental cost of $6,300 for a 3-day “weekend” meet (typically: Friday night, Saturday, Sunday) which works out to $2,100 per “day” – vastly different from the report’s projected $1,200 per day.

 

·         Similar to the point above, when the Columbia Clippers (CA) paid PGCo/MNCPPC Fairland Aquatic Center for a meet rental in May 2007, they paid $2,560.00 for two days, but that was for partial use of the 50-meter pool (i.e., for 8-short course lanes), and there were 10 additional lanes still available for Fairlands’ other regular users (swim team, lessons, lap swimming).   Again, the $2,560 represents a partial rental, not a full rental.  Incidentally, there is also a wading pool (quite large) that was open to the public and a hot tub/spa open to the public as well, simultaneously while the Columbia Clippers were hosting their meet/paying their rental fee.

 

·         Fairfax County’s RECenters (n=9) operations are 100% cost recovered systemwide, plus their revenues must bring in 25% in additional funding for maintenance and repairs because they are not permitted to draw from county taxes as a source of funding.  In fact, the RECenter system nets about $300,000 in profits annually. 

 

·         The Fairland Aquatic Center (indoor 50-meter pool, 25-yard warm tank with a fountain and wheel chair ramp, and a hot tub) made a $43,600 PROFIT in FY08 (year ending June 30, 2008).   Its revenues for FY08 were $864,866 and its expenses were $821,266.  Aquatic Center manager Chip Harris attributes this ability to turn a profit due to the fact that the 50-meter pool is in a sports complex, where there are other leisure facilities.

 

·         PG County aquatics camps FILL UP IN 3 HOURS after opening!  This compares to other summer camps (non-aquatic) that take DAYS to fill.  That phenomenon reflects the demand for aquatics, according to Aquatic Center manager Chip Harris.

 

·         Aquatic Center manager Chip Harris says that out of the five budgets (gymnastics, aquatics, tennis, fitness and admin/support) of the Fairland Sports Complex, the aquatics programming is the LARGEST REVENUE PRODUCING one.

 

 

Like PG County’s Chip Harris,  Fairfax County’s Patty Paczan, Aquatic Section Manager, notes that this model – the RECenter or multi-use leisure facility which includes aquatics – is the key to success of aquatics operational efficiency.  Their RECenters combine various leisure activities with aquatics (fitness rooms, meeting rooms for classes, racquetball courts, etc.) under one roof to be able to be 100% self-supporting.  Some of their RECenters are more profitable than others, but their Oak Marr RECenter  aquatics enjoys immense popularity and community support, and the features offered are:  50-meter indoor pool, sauna, spa, fitness room, spin studio, meeting rooms, racquetball/handball/wallyball, as well as outdoor amenities of several soccer fields, and a golf complex which includes mini-golf.

 

 I would recommend the county aim to offer something that is completely lacking if it is to add any real value to the existing aquatics offerings in Howard County, such as a 50-meter indoor pool and a public indoor leisure pool with the play features kids desire but a large enough area for therapy classes during non-peak hours.  I’d also recommend offering non-aquatic amenities like a fitness room, exercise room, and a few small meeting rooms – and site this “multi-use leisure facility” on the empty lot adjacent to CA’s Hopewell Pool & Mini-WaterPark  -- and you’ve got a terrific synergistic draw for year-round aquatics and fitness!    

 

Alternatively, to redevelop a portion of the land in CA’s Hobbit’s Glen Golf Course to include an indoor 50-meter pool, would help bring higher utilization to that property.

A multi-use leisure facility (where leisure activities - such a golfing or a mini-water park already exist  -  with a new 50-meter pool is the right type of facility that would satisfy BOTH programming (high school swimming, lap swimming, aqua fitness, swim lessons, water safety, competitive swimming, masters, water polo, synchronized swimming, etc.) and leisure needs.  Plus, a 50-meter pool is the “right” size pool – with its 22 lane configuration – to accommodate many user groups simultaneously. 

CONTACTS in surrounding counties

Fairfax County:

Patty Paczan, Aquatic Section Manager (oversees all of Fairfax County’s public pools)

703-324-8548 or patty.paczan@...

 

PG County:

Chip Harris, Aquatics Manager for Fairland Aquatic Center

301-362-6062
 
In a message dated 12/15/2008 11:22:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, RGoodri973 writes:
Dear Mr. Ulman:
 
A year ago at your first Citizens' Budget Meeting (Dec. 2007), I was the lone voice who made a pitch for a 50-meter indoor pool in Howard County, based on observation of need and heavy aquatics use in our county. 
 
So much has changed since that day:  more voices added to mine; a new aquatic feasibility study; the economic climate. 
 
So much has stayed the same: my support for a 50-meter indoor pool; still no formal plans to move forward on a public aquatics facility.
 
I'd like to thank you, Mr. Arthur, and the Department of Recreation and Parks for listening to me and other aquatics advocates, and for formalizing the focus on public aquatics by commissioning the feasibility study.  Furthermore, I'd like to thank Mr. Arthur and the RAP Advisory Board for acknowledging that a "need" for public aquatics exists -- as well as for publicly stating their willingness to partner to the Columbia Association and the Revenue Authority to explore the idea of bringing such a project to fruition.  These are steps in the right direction.
 
However, there is one issue in the feasibility study that I'd like to address -- that of the Opinion of Revenue for 50-meter pools.  As I told Mr. Arthur and the RAP Advisory Board in November, I did my own research with surrounding counties on their 50-meter pools -- particularly with regard to revenue-generation and program usage (such as # of program days for swim meet rentals, among other metrics) and found that the report grossly understated the revenue potential of such pools.  I'd be happy to share my findings in detail, as well as my sources (names, titles and contact info) from surrounding counties.  Based on this I suggested that the Recreation and Parks' staff do their own research and talk directly to the staffers I spoke to, to get a more accurate portrayal of revenue potential of these types of pools.  This is important so that we do not prematurely rule out the potential of a 50-meter pool. 
 
The aquatics director in Fairfax County said that the model facility that best suits 50-meter pools is one that offers multiple amenities, such a golfing, racquetball, exercise rooms, and meeting rooms.  The county's aquatic consultant agreed with this , and they suggested locating a pool nearby another recreational facility. 
 
I refer to this as the public "country club" model.  Fairfax County's most successful and profitable 50-meter pool (Oak Marr) adjoins a golf complex and in addition to the 50-meter pool it also offers a sauna, spa, fitness rooms, spin studio, racquetball courts, and meeting rooms.
 
Imagine partnering with the Columbia Association to bring higher utilization to one of their golf courses or other amenities by partnering with them to redevelop underutilized land -- creating local "destinations" for county residents and beyond -- all the while helping CA to maintain their many properties. 
 
I can't think of a better way to stimulate the local economy than by modernizing health and fitness destinations and bringing them up 21st century standards!   I think it's commendable that RAP and CA are both willing to discuss partnership arrangements, given that each entity has resources (i.e., customer base/growth potential; land) that the other entity lacks.  It could be a true win/win.
 
Imagine all the other partnerships that can be fostered to turn such a vision into a reality -- bringing aboard the Revenue Authority, HCPSS, the Health Department, the Office of Aging, and HCC.  Something for everyone -- aquatics fitness, health, therapy, competition, education.  Something that we all can share.  The long term benefits to the citizenry far outweigh the short term costs.  An investment in the citizenry.
 
With this in mind, I think your administration should make it a priority to show a tangible sign of support for such a project -- even if symbolic.  I respectfully request that you consider adding a token amount of seed money to the FY10 Capital Budget to signify a small step toward this goal:  perhaps $500,000 to start demolition or site preparation for redeveloping a parcel of land.   And not to intrude upon any existing -- and worthwhile -- program, but if it eventually turns out that the Healthy Howard access program monies need redirecting (Baltimore Sun article 12-11-08), then by all means redirect them toward the FY10 budget seed monies for a public Rec Center/50-meter pool!  And the monies would even remain under the Healthy Howard umbrella, so they wouldn't be straying too far!
 
Thank you for the opportunity to share my views, and for considering public sentiment in support of  aquatics (and particularly, for a 50-meter indoor pool) in Howard County.
 
Regards,
 
Diane Goodridge
8525 High Timber Ct.
Ellicott City, MD  21043
 




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Dear Mr. Ulman and Mr. Arthur:
 
Once again, thank you for your prompt email responses to my testimony.  I wanted to circulate an Addendum (below) to my testimony earlier this week that contains examples of local 50-meter pools whose revenues exceed expenses.  These examples would be the models that we'd want to emulate, since their success is proven.  Another factor that probably contributes to their success is location and accessibility to major roads/highways.
 
Regards,
Diane Goodridge 
 

ADDENDUM to Diane Goodridge’s FY10 Budget Testimony, 12-18-08

 

One weakness of Howard County’s Aquatic Feasibility Study is its Opinion of Revenue for the 50-meter pool (Section 8: Operations).  When I first saw these figures I thought they seemed low, and if that is true, the report would underestimate revenue projections for this type of pool.  So I contacted surrounding counties as a point of comparison.  Here’s some of what I discovered in my search for revenue data in this DC/Baltimore aquatics market:

 

·         The report assumes 30 programming days for Swim Meet Rentals for a 50-meter pool.  This compares to 46 programming days in the 2008-09 season (Oct 2008-July 2009), that  the PGCo/MNCPPC Fairland Aquatic Center has scheduled for swim meets (i.e.,  # of days its 50-meter pool will be closed or have limited lanes). 

 

·         The report projects $36,000 net revenues annually for swim meet rentals, based on 30 programming days and based on $1,200 per meet (day).  This compares with Fairfax County’s Oak Marr RECenter’s  average swim meet rental cost of $6,300 for a 3-day “weekend” meet (typically: Friday night, Saturday, Sunday) which works out to $2,100 per “day” – vastly different from the report’s projected $1,200 per day.

 

·         Similar to the point above, when the Columbia Clippers (CA) paid PGCo/MNCPPC Fairland Aquatic Center for a meet rental in May 2007, they paid $2,560.00 for two days, but that was for partial use of the 50-meter pool (i.e., for 8-short course lanes), and there were 10 additional lanes still available for Fairlands’ other regular users (swim team, lessons, lap swimming).   Again, the $2,560 represents a partial rental, not a full rental.  Incidentally, there is also a wading pool (quite large) that was open to the public and a hot tub/spa open to the public as well, simultaneously while the Columbia Clippers were hosting their meet/paying their rental fee.

 

·         Fairfax County’s RECenters (n=9) operations are 100% cost recovered systemwide, plus their revenues must bring in 25% in additional funding for maintenance and repairs because they are not permitted to draw from county taxes as a source of funding.  In fact, the RECenter system nets about $300,000 in profits annually. 

 

·         The Fairland Aquatic Center (indoor 50-meter pool, 25-yard warm tank with a fountain and wheel chair ramp, and a hot tub) made a $43,600 PROFIT in FY08 (year ending June 30, 2008).   Its revenues for FY08 were $864,866 and its expenses were $821,266.  Aquatic Center manager Chip Harris attributes this ability to turn a profit due to the fact that the 50-meter pool is in a sports complex, where there are other leisure facilities.

 

·         PG County aquatics camps FILL UP IN 3 HOURS after opening!  This compares to other summer camps (non-aquatic) that take DAYS to fill.  That phenomenon reflects the demand for aquatics, according to Aquatic Center manager Chip Harris.

 

·         Aquatic Center manager Chip Harris says that out of the five budgets (gymnastics, aquatics, tennis, fitness and admin/support) of the Fairland Sports Complex, the aquatics programming is the LARGEST REVENUE PRODUCING one.

 

 

Like PG County’s Chip Harris,  Fairfax County’s Patty Paczan, Aquatic Section Manager, notes that this model – the RECenter or multi-use leisure facility which includes aquatics – is the key to success of aquatics operational efficiency.  Their RECenters combine various leisure activities with aquatics (fitness rooms, meeting rooms for classes, racquetball courts, etc.) under one roof to be able to be 100% self-supporting.  Some of their RECenters are more profitable than others, but their Oak Marr RECenter  aquatics enjoys immense popularity and community support, and the features offered are:  50-meter indoor pool, sauna, spa, fitness room, spin studio, meeting rooms, racquetball/handball/wallyball, as well as outdoor amenities of several soccer fields, and a golf complex which includes mini-golf.

 

 I would recommend the county aim to offer something that is completely lacking if it is to add any real value to the existing aquatics offerings in Howard County, such as a 50-meter indoor pool and a public indoor leisure pool with the play features kids desire but a large enough area for therapy classes during non-peak hours.  I’d also recommend offering non-aquatic amenities like a fitness room, exercise room, and a few small meeting rooms – and site this “multi-use leisure facility” on the empty lot adjacent to CA’s Hopewell Pool & Mini-WaterPark  -- and you’ve got a terrific synergistic draw for year-round aquatics and fitness!    

 

Alternatively, to redevelop a portion of the land in CA’s Hobbit’s Glen Golf Course to include an indoor 50-meter pool, would help bring higher utilization to that property.

A multi-use leisure facility (where leisure activities - such a golfing or a mini-water park already exist  -  with a new 50-meter pool is the right type of facility that would satisfy BOTH programming (high school swimming, lap swimming, aqua fitness, swim lessons, water safety, competitive swimming, masters, water polo, synchronized swimming, etc.) and leisure needs.  Plus, a 50-meter pool is the “right” size pool – with its 22 lane configuration – to accommodate many user groups simultaneously. 

CONTACTS in surrounding counties

Fairfax County:

Patty Paczan, Aquatic Section Manager (oversees all of Fairfax County’s public pools)

703-324-8548 or patty.paczan@...

 

PG County:

Chip Harris, Aquatics Manager for Fairland Aquatic Center

301-362-6062
 
In a message dated 12/15/2008 11:22:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, RGoodri973 writes:
Dear Mr. Ulman:
 
A year ago at your first Citizens' Budget Meeting (Dec. 2007), I was the lone voice who made a pitch for a 50-meter indoor pool in Howard County, based on observation of need and heavy aquatics use in our county. 
 
So much has changed since that day:  more voices added to mine; a new aquatic feasibility study; the economic climate. 
 
So much has stayed the same: my support for a 50-meter indoor pool; still no formal plans to move forward on a public aquatics facility.
 
I'd like to thank you, Mr. Arthur, and the Department of Recreation and Parks for listening to me and other aquatics advocates, and for formalizing the focus on public aquatics by commissioning the feasibility study.  Furthermore, I'd like to thank Mr. Arthur and the RAP Advisory Board for acknowledging that a "need" for public aquatics exists -- as well as for publicly stating their willingness to partner to the Columbia Association and the Revenue Authority to explore the idea of bringing such a project to fruition.  These are steps in the right direction.
 
However, there is one issue in the feasibility study that I'd like to address -- that of the Opinion of Revenue for 50-meter pools.  As I told Mr. Arthur and the RAP Advisory Board in November, I did my own research with surrounding counties on their 50-meter pools -- particularly with regard to revenue-generation and program usage (such as # of program days for swim meet rentals, among other metrics) and found that the report grossly understated the revenue potential of such pools.  I'd be happy to share my findings in detail, as well as my sources (names, titles and contact info) from surrounding counties.  Based on this I suggested that the Recreation and Parks' staff do their own research and talk directly to the staffers I spoke to, to get a more accurate portrayal of revenue potential of these types of pools.  This is important so that we do not prematurely rule out the potential of a 50-meter pool. 
 
The aquatics director in Fairfax County said that the model facility that best suits 50-meter pools is one that offers multiple amenities, such a golfing, racquetball, exercise rooms, and meeting rooms.  The county's aquatic consultant agreed with this , and they suggested locating a pool nearby another recreational facility. 
 
I refer to this as the public "country club" model.  Fairfax County's most successful and profitable 50-meter pool (Oak Marr) adjoins a golf complex and in addition to the 50-meter pool it also offers a sauna, spa, fitness rooms, spin studio, racquetball courts, and meeting rooms.
 
Imagine partnering with the Columbia Association to bring higher utilization to one of their golf courses or other amenities by partnering with them to redevelop underutilized land -- creating local "destinations" for county residents and beyond -- all the while helping CA to maintain their many properties. 
 
I can't think of a better way to stimulate the local economy than by modernizing health and fitness destinations and bringing them up 21st century standards!   I think it's commendable that RAP and CA are both willing to discuss partnership arrangements, given that each entity has resources (i.e., customer base/growth potential; land) that the other entity lacks.  It could be a true win/win.
 
Imagine all the other partnerships that can be fostered to turn such a vision into a reality -- bringing aboard the Revenue Authority, HCPSS, the Health Department, the Office of Aging, and HCC.  Something for everyone -- aquatics fitness, health, therapy, competition, education.  Something that we all can share.  The long term benefits to the citizenry far outweigh the short term costs.  An investment in the citizenry.
 
With this in mind, I think your administration should make it a priority to show a tangible sign of support for such a project -- even if symbolic.  I respectfully request that you consider adding a token amount of seed money to the FY10 Capital Budget to signify a small step toward this goal:  perhaps $500,000 to start demolition or site preparation for redeveloping a parcel of land.   And not to intrude upon any existing -- and worthwhile -- program, but if it eventually turns out that the Healthy Howard access program monies need redirecting (Baltimore Sun article 12-11-08), then by all means redirect them toward the FY10 budget seed monies for a public Rec Center/50-meter pool!  And the monies would even remain under the Healthy Howard umbrella, so they wouldn't be straying too far!
 
Thank you for the opportunity to share my views, and for considering public sentiment in support of  aquatics (and particularly, for a 50-meter indoor pool) in Howard County.
 
Regards,
 
Diane Goodridge
8525 High Timber Ct.
Ellicott City, MD  21043
 




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Dear Mrs. Goodridge,

Thank you for your letter and for your continued support of expanded aquatics
facilities in Howard County. The County Executive appreciates all that you have
done and continue to do on this matter, and he has asked me to respond to you on
his behalf. As you know, these are difficult times and developing our budget for
FY2010 is a process fraught with tough decisions. As we work through this
process, the County Executive will give serious consideration to your thoughts
below. I hope that you will continue to stay involved and engaged in this
matter, and if I can ever be of additional assistance, please feel free to
contact me directly.

Sincerely,

Ian Kennedy
Assistant to the County Executive
Howard County
410-313-3075

From: RGoodri973@... [mailto:RGoodri973@...]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:22 PM
To: Ken Ulman
Cc: rob.goldman@...; atz.pga@...; boe@...;
khetherington@...; councilmail@...; Gary Arthur; Peter
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Subject: FY2010 Cap Budget/Citizens' Priorities: 50-Meter Pool

Dear Mr. Ulman:

A year ago at your first Citizens' Budget Meeting (Dec. 2007), I was the lone
voice who made a pitch for a 50-meter indoor pool in Howard County, based on
observation of need and heavy aquatics use in our county.

So much has changed since that day:  more voices added to mine; a new aquatic
feasibility study; the economic climate.

So much has stayed the same: my support for a 50-meter indoor pool; still no
formal plans to move forward on a public aquatics facility.

I'd like to thank you, Mr. Arthur, and the Department of Recreation and Parks
for listening to me and other aquatics advocates, and for formalizing the focus
on public aquatics by commissioning the feasibility study.  Furthermore, I'd
like to thank Mr. Arthur and the RAP Advisory Board for acknowledging that a
"need" for public aquatics exists -- as well as for publicly stating their
willingness to partner to the Columbia Association and the Revenue Authority to
explore the idea of bringing such a project to fruition.  These are steps in the
right direction.

However, there is one issue in the feasibility study that I'd like to address --
that of the Opinion of Revenue for 50-meter pools.  As I told Mr. Arthur and the
RAP Advisory Board in November, I did my own research with surrounding counties
on their 50-meter pools -- particularly with regard to revenue-generation and
program usage (such as # of program days for swim meet rentals, among other
metrics) and found that the report grossly understated the revenue potential of
such pools.  I'd be happy to share my findings in detail, as well as my sources
(names, titles and contact info) from surrounding counties.  Based on this I
suggested that the Recreation and Parks' staff do their own research and talk
directly to the staffers I spoke to, to get a more accurate portrayal of revenue
potential of these types of pools  This is important so that we do not
prematurely rule out the potential of a 50-meter pool.

The aquatics director in Fairfax County said that the model facility that best
suits 50-meter pools is one that offers multiple amenities, such a golfing,
racquetball, exercise rooms, and meeting rooms.  The county's aquatic consultant
agreed with this , and they suggested locating a pool nearby another
recreational facility.

I refer to this as the public "country club" model.  Fairfax County's most
successful and profitable 50-meter pool (Oak Marr) adjoins a golf complex and in
addition to the 50-meter pool it also offers a sauna, spa, fitness rooms, spin
studio, racquetball courts, and meeting rooms.

Imagine partnering with the Columbia Association to bring higher utilization to
one of their golf courses or other amenities by partnering with them to
redevelop underutilized land -- creating local "destinations" for county
residents and beyond -- all the while helping CA to maintain their many
properties.

I can't think of a better way to stimulate the local economy than by modernizing
health and fitness destinations and bringing them up 21st century standards!   I
think it's commendable that RAP and CA are both willing to discuss partnership
arrangements, given that each entity has resources (i.e., customer base/growth
potential; land) that the other entity lacks.  It could be a true win/win.

Imagine all the other partnerships that can be fostered to turn such a vision
into a reality -- bringing aboard the Revenue Authority, HCPSS, the Health
Department, the Office of Aging, and HCC.  Something for everyone -- aquatics
fitness, health, therapy, competition, education.  Something that we all can
share.  The long term benefits to the citizenry far outweigh the short term
costs.  An investment in the citizenry.

With this in mind, I think your administration should make it a priority to show
a tangible sign of support for such a project -- even if symbolic.  I
respectfully request that you consider adding a token amount of seed money to
the FY10 Capital Budget to signify a small step toward this goal:  perhaps
$500,000 to start demolition or site preparation for redeveloping a parcel of
land.   And not to intrude upon any existing -- and worthwhile -- program, but
if it eventually turns out that the Healthy Howard access program monies need
redirecting (Baltimore Sun article 12-11-08), then by all means redirect them
toward the FY10 budget seed monies for a public Rec Center/50-meter pool!  And
the monies would even remain under the Healthy Howard umbrella, so they wouldn't
be straying too far!

Thank you for the opportunity to share my views, and for considering public
sentiment in support of  aquatics (and particularly, for a 50-meter indoor pool)
in Howard County.

Regards,

Diane Goodridge
8525 High Timber Ct.
Ellicott City, MD  21043




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Ms. Goodrich
  Thank you for your comments, I will share them with the R&P board. My staff
have already talked to Fairfax County an discovered the situation that you
described. Last week ,I met with the Revenue Authority and will continue to
explore options available to us to have an aquatic facility in Howard County.
                                                                                         
Gary Arthur

>>> <RGoodri973@...> 12/15/08 11:22 PM >>>
Dear Mr. Ulman:

A year ago at your first Citizens' Budget  Meeting (Dec. 2007), I was the
lone voice who made a pitch for a 50-meter  indoor pool in Howard County, based
on observation of need and heavy  aquatics use in our county.

So much has changed since that day:   more voices added to mine; a new aquat
ic feasibility study; the economic  climate.

So much has stayed the same: my support for  a 50-meter indoor pool; still no
formal plans to move forward on a public  aquatics facility.

I'd like to thank you, Mr. Arthur, and the  Department of Recreation and
Parks for listening to me and other aquatics  advocates, and for formalizing the
focus on public aquatics by commissioning the  feasibility study.  Furthermore,
I'd like to thank Mr. Arthur and the  RAP Advisory Board for acknowledging
that a "need" for public aquatics exists --  as well as for publicly stating
their willingness to partner to the  Columbia Association and the Revenue
Authority to explore the idea of bringing  such a project to fruition.  These
are
steps in the right  direction.

However, there is one issue in the  feasibility study that I'd like to
address -- that of the Opinion of  Revenue for 50-meter pools.  As I told Mr.
Arthur
and the RAP Advisory  Board in November, I did my own research with
surrounding counties on their  50-meter pools -- particularly with regard to
revenue-generation and program  usage (such as # of program days for swim meet
rentals,
among other  metrics) and found that the report grossly understated the
revenue  potential of such pools.  I'd be happy to share my findings in detail, 
as
well as my sources (names, titles and contact info) from  surrounding
counties.  Based on this I suggested that the Recreation  and Parks' staff do
their
own research and talk directly to the staffers I spoke  to, to get a more
accurate portrayal of revenue potential of these types of  pools.  This is
important
so that we do not prematurely rule out the  potential of a 50-meter pool.

The aquatics director in Fairfax County said  that the model facility that
best suits 50-meter pools is one that offers  multiple amenities, such a
golfing, racquetball, exercise rooms, and  meeting rooms.  The county's aquatic
consultant agreed with this , and  they suggested locating a pool nearby another
recreational  facility.

I refer to this as the public "country  club" model.  Fairfax County's most
successful and profitable 50-meter  pool (Oak Marr) adjoins a golf complex and
in addition  to the 50-meter pool it also offers a sauna, spa, fitness rooms,
spin  studio, racquetball courts, and meeting rooms.

Imagine partnering with the Columbia  Association to bring higher utilization
to one of their golf courses or  other amenities by partnering with them to
redevelop underutilized land  -- creating local "destinations" for county
residents and  beyond -- all the while helping CA to maintain their many
properties.

I can't think of a better way to stimulate  the local economy than by
modernizing health and fitness destinations and  bringing them up 21st century
standards!   I think it's  commendable that RAP and CA are both willing to
discuss
partnership  arrangements, given that each entity has resources (i.e., customer
base/growth  potential; land) that the other entity lacks.  It could be a
true  win/win.

Imagine all the other partnerships that can  be fostered to turn such a
vision into a reality -- bringing aboard  the Revenue Authority, HCPSS, the
Health
Department, the Office of Aging,  and HCC.  Something for everyone -- aquatics
fitness, health, therapy,  competition, education.  Something that we all can
share.  The long  term benefits to the citizenry far outweigh the short term
costs.  An  investment in the citizenry.

With this in mind, I think your  administration should make it a priority to
show a tangible sign of support for  such a project -- even if symbolic.  I
respectfully request that you  consider adding a token amount of seed money to
the FY10 Capital Budget to  signify a small step toward this goal:  perhaps
$500,000 to start  demolition or site preparation for redeveloping a parcel of
land.   And not to intrude upon any existing -- and worthwhile --  program, but
if it eventually turns out that the Healthy Howard access  program monies
need redirecting (Baltimore Sun article 12-11-08), then by  all means redirect
them toward the FY10 budget seed monies for a public Rec  Center/50-meter pool!
And the monies would even remain under the  Healthy Howard umbrella, so they
wouldn't be straying too far!

Thank you for the opportunity to share my  views, and for considering public
sentiment in support of  aquatics (and  particularly, for a 50-meter indoor
pool) in Howard County.

Regards,

Diane Goodridge
8525 High Timber Ct.
Ellicott City, MD  21043


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*  *  *  *  *   R E M I N D E R  *  *  *  *  *

 

Thank you to those who testified "live" at the recent Rec &Parks Public Hearing, or sent emails to Rec & Parks Director Gary Arthur and other key local officials last month. 

 
Your messages were heard, as R&P "officially" recognizes the need for a public swim facility (-ies) in our county, although the current economic climate is poor.  However R&P  has adopted the general recommendations of the Aquatic Feasibility Study with no specific decisions on facility-type or features. 
 
A press release issued by the County on December 4, 2008, states: "...In an effort to deliver aquatic services to Howard County citizens, the Department of Recreation & Parks will be in discussions with the Howard County Revenue Authority and the Columbia Association to see what role or partnership can be developed to implement any of the options suggested in the plan." 

 

This potential partnership development is key:  Gary Arthur stated on Nov 19 that a partnership between the county and the Columbia Association (CA) might eventually lead to redevelopment of CA properties currently underutilized, with the Revenue Authority issuing bonds as one funding source (note that R.A. bonds' interest and principal are paid by the revenue generated from the project which is financed by the bond. Like a home mortgage, debt service is paid over the life of the bond.  It is NOT paid by taxes!  Many other local jurisdictions have local revenue authorities.) 

 

This is where YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT IS CRITICAL!  We cannot afford to rest on our laurels and go away.  Instead, WE NEED TO DO THE FOLLOWING ON OR BEFORE DEC. 18 (Ulman's budget hearing - details below; online testimony link below) --

 

*   Take advantage of every opportunity (public hearings, online testimony) to EXPRESS CONTINUED SUPPORT for a public aquatic facility and emphasize the need for one that can accommodate many different user groups simultaneously, and provide something completely lacking in our county -- such as a 50-meter pool -- which would add true value to the local aquatics offering by enabling important and varied PROGRAMMING (such as High School Swimming, Competitive Swimming (practices and meets), swim lessons, water safety training, fitness classes, lap swimming,  water polo program,  synchronized swimming program, etc.).

 

*   THANK local officials for listening to citizens on this issue and express support for their willingness to partner with CA and the Revenue Authority, but REQUEST AN EXPANSION OF PARTNERSHIPS to include other potential key users such as the public schools (HCPSS), the Dept. of Health, the community college (HCC) and the hospital (HCGH). 

 

*   REQUEST a token amount SEED MONEY be placed in the FY10 Capital Budget (for something like demolition or site preparation) to signify commitment to this project, particularly in light of the potential for CA offering land. 

 

Please help this ongoing effort!  Particularly if you have young swimmers, you will likely benefit from such a facility that can support programs like high school swimming.  But this project will never happen if we fail to express continued support at each and every opportunity.  HERE ARE THE DETAILS FOR HOW YOU CAN PARTICPATE THIS "ROUND":

 

*   Testify "live" at County Executive Ken Ulman's "FY10 Citizens' Budget Hearing" on Thursday, Dec 18, 7:30pm @ Department of Education, Board Rm., 10910 Route 108, Ellicott City.  (NOTE: Location is NOT at county headquarters, since they are being renovated).  Sign-ups begin at 6:30pm (1-hour prior to meeting).

 

*   Submit ONLINE BUDGET TESTIMONY by 12/18 at http://howardcountymd.gov/DOA/BO_GiveTestimony.asp and you'll be given the option of submitting written testimony only, or of checking a box to say you also plan on speaking live in addition to written testimony. 

 

*   Send emails similar to your testimony to OTHER key officials (try to write in advance & mail to the list below; then cut-n-paste the text to Online Budget Testimony link above):

 

Rob Goldman, Columbia Association - VP-Sports & Fitness rob.goldman@... 

HC Revenue Authority atz.pga@...

HCPSS Board of Education (all 7 members) boe@...

Howard County Council (all 5 members) councilmail@... 

Ken Ulman, County Executive KUlman@...

Dr. Peter Beilenson, Health Officer at Dept. of Health:  PBeilenson@...

Dr. Kathleen Hetherington, President of HCC khetherington@...

 

Thank you for your past, present and future support of this important project.  Your participation has been critical to the progress made thus far.





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Date: Fri Dec 5, 2008 9:15 am
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Thank you to those who testified "live" at the recent Rec &Parks Public Hearing, or sent emails to Rec & Parks Director Gary Arthur and other key local officials last month. 
 
Your messages were heard, as R&P "officially" recognizes the need for a public swim facility (-ies) in our county, although the current economic climate is poor.  However R&P  has adopted the general recommendations of the Aquatic Feasibility Study with no specific decisions on facility-type or features. 
 
A press release issued by the County on December 4, 2008, states: "...In an effort to deliver aquatic services to Howard County citizens, the Department of Recreation & Parks will be in discussions with the Howard County Revenue Authority and the Columbia Association to see what role or partnership can be developed to implement any of the options suggested in the plan." 

 

This potential partnership development is key:  Gary Arthur stated on Nov 19 that a partnership between the county and the Columbia Association (CA) might eventually lead to redevelopment of CA properties currently underutilized, with the Revenue Authority issuing bonds as one funding source (note that R.A. bonds' interest and principal are paid by the revenue generated from the project which is financed by the bond. Like a home mortgage, debt service is paid over the life of the bond.  It is NOT paid by taxes!  Many other local jurisdictions have local revenue authorities.) 

 

This is where YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT IS CRITICAL!  We cannot afford to rest on our laurels and go away.  Instead, WE NEED TO DO THE FOLLOWING ON OR BEFORE DEC. 18 (Ulman's budget hearing - details below; online testimony link below) --

 

*   Take advantage of every opportunity (public hearings, online testimony) to EXPRESS CONTINUED SUPPORT for a public aquatic facility and emphasize the need for one that can accommodate many different user groups simultaneously, and provide something completely lacking in our county -- such as a 50-meter pool -- which would add true value to the local aquatics offering by enabling important and varied PROGRAMMING (such as High School Swimming, Competitive Swimming (practices and meets), swim lessons, water safety training, fitness classes, lap swimming,  water polo program,  synchronized swimming program, etc.).

 

*   THANK local officials for listening to citizens on this issue and express support for their willingness to partner with CA and the Revenue Authority, but REQUEST AN EXPANSION OF PARTNERSHIPS to include other potential key users such as the public schools (HCPSS), the Dept. of Health, the community college (HCC) and the hospital (HCGH). 

 

*   REQUEST a token amount SEED MONEY be placed in the FY10 Capital Budget (for something like demolition or site preparation) to signify commitment to this project, particularly in light of the potential for CA offering land. 

 

Please help this ongoing effort!  Particularly if you have young swimmers, you will likely benefit from such a facility that can support programs like high school swimming.  But this project will never happen if we fail to express continued support at each and every opportunity.  HERE ARE THE DETAILS FOR HOW YOU CAN PARTICPATE THIS "ROUND":

 

*   Testify "live" at County Executive Ken Ulman's "FY10 Citizens' Budget Hearing" on Thursday, Dec 18, 7:30pm @ Department of Education, Board Rm., 10910 Route 108, Ellicott City.  (NOTE: Location is NOT at county headquarters, since they are being renovated).  Sign-ups begin at 6:30pm (1-hour prior to meeting).

 

*   Submit ONLINE BUDGET TESTIMONY by 12/18 at http://howardcountymd.gov/DOA/BO_GiveTestimony.asp and you'll be given the option of submitting written testimony only, or of checking a box to say you also plan on speaking live in addition to written testimony. 

 

*   Send emails similar to your testimony to OTHER key officials (try to write in advance & mail to the list below; then cut-n-paste the text to Online Budget Testimony link above):

 

Rob Goldman, Columbia Association - VP-Sports & Fitness rob.goldman@... 

HC Revenue Authority atz.pga@...

HCPSS Board of Education (all 7 members) boe@...

Howard County Council (all 5 members) councilmail@... 

Ken Ulman, County Executive KUlman@...

Dr. Peter Beilenson, Health Officer at Dept. of Health:  PBeilenson@...

Dr. Kathleen Hetherington, President of HCC khetherington@...

 

Thank you for your past, present and future support of this important project.  Your participation has been critical to the progress made thus far.





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Press Release, dated today, is attached.  Please open to read full statement.
 
Here's an excerpt of note ... it's encouraging to think that there will be discussions on partnerships between Rev Auth, R&P, and CA ... so they actually heard our message!  For those who are unaware, some of CA's involvement might include CA properties that are underutilized/under-performing, so it's critical that Howard citizens continue to support/encourage this type of partnership.
 
My guess (not based on anything but pure speculation) is that they might take a CA underutilized outdoor pool (with CA "donating" the land) and redevelop the property to house an indoor aquatic facility, and then do some sort of shared operations arrangement (costs/profits).  Something like that would be a win-win ... as CA's pools/properties age (particularly the underutilized pools), it gets progressively and prohibitively expensive to maintain them ... and with properties becoming more scarce, CA represents a resource to tap, if land is what you desire.  Here's the excerpt:
 

In the interim, and in an effort to deliver aquatic services to Howard County citizens, the Department of Recreation & Parks will be in discussions with the Howard County Revenue Authority and the Columbia Association to see what role or partnership can be developed to implement any of the options suggested in the plan. 

 

“As we suspected, the Aquatic Feasibility Study determined that there was a need for additional aquatic facilities in Howard County,” said Gary Arthur, Director of the Department of Recreation & Parks. 
 



Just released. Thought you'd like to see this.

 

Eileen Weber

 

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The attached news release was issued this morning.

 

 


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The article BELOW appeared in Wednesday's HC Times (11-26-08).  The article fails to mention that there IS a Citizens Budget Hearing scheduled for 12-18-08, where citizens can make the case for "priorities" in the capital budget FY10, so TECHNICALLY, it's not a done deal like the article suggests.  True, Gary Arthur did state that he would not be requesting funding for a pool for FY10 (which budget process occurs during the 2009 calendar year).  At the meeting, several residents told Mr. Arthur that he should put SOMETHING in the budget (FY10) to indicate a start for an aquatics project, even a small, symbolic amt of funding for site preparation (heck -- especially if CA can GIVE HoCo free land in a partnership deal!).  The argument went like this to Mr. Arthur:  "If you don't even ASK for anything in the budget, then how will Ken Ulman know Rec & Parks acknowledges the need for a pool?"

Gary Arthur told the crowd that if pool advocates want to send a message to the County Executive that it should be a priority for the county to offer public aquatics (or they want specific programs such as HIGH SCHOOL SWIMMING), they should TELL the County Executive DIRECTLY at the Citizens Budget Hearing on 12-18-08.  (There will also be another citizens budget hearing in March 2009).  My opinion: citizens should CONTINUE to take advantage of the radar screens (budget process/public hearings) and send messages (live or email) to the County Exec & other key officials (including CA's Rob Goldman, and the BOE) to tell them of their continued support to make this a priority. It's definitely to our advantage to NOT drop off the radar screen .... so we can make a case we've been standing in line CONSISTENTLY for a long time, once funding is plentiful.

I'd like to thank Mike Jacobson, Jan Deboissiere,Anne Pierce and Daniel Pierce for taking the time to speak in support of the pool at the R&P meeting on 11-19-08.  All made compelling testimony before R&P's advisory board. 

Diane

New pool not in plans for 2009

County acknowledges need for facilities, but cites tough economic times

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Posted 11/26/08
Bad news for swimmers: 2009 will not be the year of the Olympic-size pool in Howard County.

Nor is it going be the year of any new government-owned aquatic facilities, according to Gary Arthur, director of the county’s Department of Recreation and Parks.

While acknowledging the need for additional swimming facilities in the county, Arthur said the project would be too costly for lean economic times and he therefore will not request county funding for a pool project in the coming fiscal year.

“We’ve nailed down that, yes, there is a need,” Arthur said. “We will consider all the options to be implemented when and if the budgetary funding becomes available.
 
“I’m sure that disappoints some people,” he added. “But the reality of the situation is that we’re facing some tough budget times here in Howard County.”

At the Recreation and Parks Board’s meeting Wednesday night, board members voted to accept a recommendation that additional aquatic facilities are needed in the county.

The board also accepted the results of a feasibility study outlining several options, including designs for both competitive and leisure-style pools.

County Executive Kenneth Ulman ordered the study in 2007, after receiving requests from residents who felt the county lacks adequate public swimming facilities, particularly those suited to competitive events.

The sole county-owned pool is a 25-meter outdoor pool at the Roger Carter Recreation Center in Ellicott City, which is only open during warm-weather months.

Howard Community College, the Columbia Association, YMCA, and private fitness centers also operate pools, although none are 50-meter “Olympic-size” pools — the standard for long-course swimming events.

Although some residents have petitioned for a 50-meter pool, others say they would like the county to build a leisure pool, with water slides and play features. Still others have lobbied for a pool suited to warm-water therapy.

Ellicott City resident Michael Jacobson, who is among those who would like to see a county-owned, indoor, 50-meter pool, said he doesn’t believe county officials have the will to build such a pool — regardless of budgetary constraints.

“The study looked good, although I think they’ve underestimated the numbers locally interested in swimming,” he said. “In general, it’s not surprising. Even if it’s a good year (financially) I think we’d be in the same spot.”

Including Jacobson, six people testified at the Nov. 19 meeting, according to Arthur, who said he also received eight e-mails, including testimony.

The majority of the comments were from those who would like to see a 50-meter pool, he said, although one person testified in support of a leisure pool and another rejected the idea of the county building a pool altogether.

At the meeting, the board reviewed the 150-page study, prepared by St. Louis-based Counsilman-Hunsaker, a swimming pool design consultant.

According to the study, the National Recreation and Parks Association recommended, in 1990, that communities provide one public pool for every 20,000 people. However, a review of U.S. cities shows that, on average, the U.S. has approximately one public pool for every 45,570 residents.

The consultant determined that Howard County — excluding Columbia, which is serviced by the private Columbia Association — provides one public pool for every 180,049 residents.

The Columbia Association operates 27 pools, open to Columbia residents who pay membership fees.

The report outlines four options for Howard officials to consider: an outdoor leisure pool to be added to an existing community center at an estimated cost of $6.5 million; an indoor swim center with an eight-lane lap pool and leisure pool and an adjoining outdoor leisure pool at an estimated cost of $20.3 million; an outdoor leisure pool and six-lane lap pool at an estimated cost of $7.9 million; and an indoor 50-meter pool at an estimated cost of $17.3 million.

The study notes that outdoor leisure pools are generally more cost effective, in part, because they operate only during the warm months of peak demand.

The study recommends against a 50-meter pool, and also recommends that any pools not be located in Columbia.

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The government should not be providing swimming pools regardless of the economy. If the demand for a 50 meter pool was sufficient, private businesses would provide pools without wasting tax dollars on them. There are two swim clubs in the western part of the county, and the western part of the county lacks the density of Columbia. Some people want pools, some people want horse parks, some people want something else. Everybody has their hand out and politicians are all too happy to play Santa Claus.

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The County recently released an AQUATIC FEASBILITY STUDY, for which there will be a PUBLIC HEARING on Wed, Nov 19 ( 7:30pm in Conf Rm 1 at Rec & Parks Headquarters, 7120 Oakland Mills Rd., Columbia). 

      

Please try to attend, or send an e-mail to local officials prior to Nov 19, and read on …  

Since the study’s release, the economic climate has become progressively dismal, so it’s unrealistic to advocate for a large capital project with any sense of urgency.  HOWEVER, the capital budget process/democracy remains intact, and we should take advantage of these opportunities (public hearings and budget cycle) to send a message similar to the statement below to local officials.  It’s beneficial to have the track record of “standing first in line” when the economy bounces back, when other new capital projects are just beginning to be requested:    

One day the economy will improve and when that day happens, the County needs to be in a position to move forward on the right type of aquatic facility, one that supports aquatic PROGRAMMING.  The county should use aquatic PROGRAMS as the key variables for selecting what type of aquatic facility to build -- not the very limiting “Options 1-4” that the study offers.  The County should aim to offer something that is completely lacking (like a 50-meter indoor pool) if it is to add any real value to the existing aquatics offerings in Howard County.    

 In other words, if PROGRAMS – such as HIGH SCHOOL SWIMMING  (or swim lessons, or competitive swimming practices and meets, water fitness, water safety training, other water sports like water polo or synchronized swimming, etc.) – ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU, THEN TELL YOUR LOCAL OFFICIALS!     

Don’t let the tail wag the dog!  Don’t let the consultant’s “Options 1-4” steer the County in the wrong direction.  Many of these programs mentioned above could be enabled by a 50-meter pool – because that is the type of pool that could accommodate many different groups of users simultaneously, with the 23-lane configuration.  Tell local officials that the “right” type of facility might just be one that offers a 50-meter indoor pool AND a smaller leisure pool to satisfy BOTH programming and leisure needs. 

CA’s Rob Goldman (VP Sports & Fitness) publically commented that it should be the County that provides any new aquatics venue to its citizens, because CA has been relieving the County of that responsibility for years by offering an array of pools.  He also said that CA is willing to offer expertise, and possibly land, in an effort to partner.  Add your voice to Mr. Goldman’s and tell the County that it must explore partnership opportunities with CA and other agencies to plan for the “right” type of new pool facility.   

Again, please attend the Rec & Parks Public Hearing on Nov 19 – or – email your local officials before that date.   NOTE: There will likely be another Public Hearing (for the FY 2010 Capital Budget) sometime in December, TBA.  If you have any questions or need more information, please email DIANE GOODRIDGE.   

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 KEN ULMAN, County Executive                 <KUlman@...>

 MICHAEL JACK, Revenue Authority           <atz.pga@...>

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#145 From: RGoodri973@...
Date: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:46 am
Subject: 50M Pool: Aquatic Feas.Study HEARING 11/19 & email public officials 		deg62
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Please help spread the word to the swimming community in Howard County, and forward this to your friends or anyone interested!
 
Last month, the County released an AQUATIC FEASBILITY STUDY, for which there will be a PUBLIC HEARING on Wed, Nov 19 (7:30pm in Conf Rm 1 at Rec & Parks Headquarters, 7120 Oakland Mills Rd., Columbia). 

      

Please try to attend, or send an e-mail to local officials prior to Nov 19, and read on …  

Since the study’s release, the economic climate has become progressively dismal, so it’s unrealistic to advocate for a large capital project with any sense of urgency.  HOWEVER, the capital budget process/democracy remain intact, and we should take advantage of these opportunities (public hearings and budget cycle) to send a message similar to the statement below to local officials.  It’s beneficial to have the track record of “standing first in line” when the economy bounces back, when other new capital projects are just beginning to be requested:    

One day the economy will improve and when that day happens, the County needs to be in a position to move forward on the right type of aquatic facility, one that supports aquatic PROGRAMMING.  The county should use aquatic PROGRAMS as the key variables for selecting what type of aquatic facility to build -- not the very limiting “Options 1-4” that the study offers.  The County should aim to offer something that is completely lacking (like a 50-meter indoor pool) if it is to add any real value to the existing aquatics offerings in Howard County.    

In other words, if PROGRAMS – such as HIGH SCHOOL SWIMMING  (or swim lessons, or competitive swimming practices and meets, Masters swimming, water fitness, water safety training, other water sports like water polo or synchronized swimming, etc.) – ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU, THEN TELL YOUR LOCAL OFFICIALS!     

Don’t let the tail wag the dog!  Don’t let the consultant’s “Options 1-4” steer the County in the wrong direction.  Many of these programs mentioned above could be enabled by a 50-meter pool – because that is the type of pool that could accommodate many different groups of users simultaneously, with the 23-lane configuration.  Tell local officials that the “right” type of facility might just be one that offers a 50-meter indoor pool AND a smaller leisure pool to satisfy BOTH programming and leisure needs. 

CA’s Rob Goldman (VP Sports & Fitness) publically commented that it should be the County that provides any new aquatics venue to its citizens, because CA has been relieving the County of that responsibility for years by offering an array of pools.  He also said that CA is willing to offer expertise, and possibly land, in an effort to partner.  Add your voice to Mr. Goldman’s and tell the County that it must explore partnership opportunities with CA and other agencies to plan for the “right” type of new pool facility.   

Again, please attend the Rec & Parks Public Hearing on Nov 19 – or – email your local officials before that date.  

NOTE: There will likely be another Public Hearing (for the FY 2010 Capital Budget) sometime in December, TBA. 

If you have any questions or need more information, please email DIANE GOODRIDGE.   

LOCAL OFFICIALS’ EMAIL ADDRESSES:      

GARY ARTHUR, Dir. of Rec & Parks          GArthur@...

KEN ULMAN, County Executive                 KUlman@...

MICHAEL JACK, Revenue Authority           atz.pga@...

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#144 From: RGoodri973@...
Date: Sat Nov 8, 2008 7:33 pm
Subject: A role cemented at Meadowbrook 		deg62
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This story was sent to you by: Diane

The importance of complete programming:
Rummel said she has been coming to Meadowbrook since she was pregnant with her
daughter, Siora, who is now 4. Her daughter takes swimming lessons there, and he

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A role cemented at Meadowbrook
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Stephens not swimming off after putting so much into pool

By Kevin Van Valkenburg

November 8 2008

Murray Stephens likes to joke that it took his own blood to help build the
Meadowbrook Aquatic Center.

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/olympics/bal-sp.phelpsbiz08nov08,0,6870163.st\
ory

Visit baltimoresun.com at http://www.baltimoresun.com

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