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Dear Mr. Ulman and Mr. Arthur:
 
Once again, thank you for your prompt email responses to my testimony.  I wanted to circulate an Addendum (below) to my testimony earlier this week that contains examples of local 50-meter pools whose revenues exceed expenses.  These examples would be the models that we'd want to emulate, since their success is proven.  Another factor that probably contributes to their success is location and accessibility to major roads/highways.
 
Regards,
Diane Goodridge 
 

ADDENDUM to Diane Goodridge’s FY10 Budget Testimony, 12-18-08

 

One weakness of Howard County’s Aquatic Feasibility Study is its Opinion of Revenue for the 50-meter pool (Section 8: Operations).  When I first saw these figures I thought they seemed low, and if that is true, the report would underestimate revenue projections for this type of pool.  So I contacted surrounding counties as a point of comparison.  Here’s some of what I discovered in my search for revenue data in this DC/Baltimore aquatics market:

 

·         The report assumes 30 programming days for Swim Meet Rentals for a 50-meter pool.  This compares to 46 programming days in the 2008-09 season (Oct 2008-July 2009), that  the PGCo/MNCPPC Fairland Aquatic Center has scheduled for swim meets (i.e.,  # of days its 50-meter pool will be closed or have limited lanes). 

 

·         The report projects $36,000 net revenues annually for swim meet rentals, based on 30 programming days and based on $1,200 per meet (day).  This compares with Fairfax County’s Oak Marr RECenter’s  average swim meet rental cost of $6,300 for a 3-day “weekend” meet (typically: Friday night, Saturday, Sunday) which works out to $2,100 per “day” – vastly different from the report’s projected $1,200 per day.

 

·         Similar to the point above, when the Columbia Clippers (CA) paid PGCo/MNCPPC Fairland Aquatic Center for a meet rental in May 2007, they paid $2,560.00 for two days, but that was for partial use of the 50-meter pool (i.e., for 8-short course lanes), and there were 10 additional lanes still available for Fairlands’ other regular users (swim team, lessons, lap swimming).   Again, the $2,560 represents a partial rental, not a full rental.  Incidentally, there is also a wading pool (quite large) that was open to the public and a hot tub/spa open to the public as well, simultaneously while the Columbia Clippers were hosting their meet/paying their rental fee.

 

·         Fairfax County’s RECenters (n=9) operations are 100% cost recovered systemwide, plus their revenues must bring in 25% in additional funding for maintenance and repairs because they are not permitted to draw from county taxes as a source of funding.  In fact, the RECenter system nets about $300,000 in profits annually. 

 

·         The Fairland Aquatic Center (indoor 50-meter pool, 25-yard warm tank with a fountain and wheel chair ramp, and a hot tub) made a $43,600 PROFIT in FY08 (year ending June 30, 2008).   Its revenues for FY08 were $864,866 and its expenses were $821,266.  Aquatic Center manager Chip Harris attributes this ability to turn a profit due to the fact that the 50-meter pool is in a sports complex, where there are other leisure facilities.

 

·         PG County aquatics camps FILL UP IN 3 HOURS after opening!  This compares to other summer camps (non-aquatic) that take DAYS to fill.  That phenomenon reflects the demand for aquatics, according to Aquatic Center manager Chip Harris.

 

·         Aquatic Center manager Chip Harris says that out of the five budgets (gymnastics, aquatics, tennis, fitness and admin/support) of the Fairland Sports Complex, the aquatics programming is the LARGEST REVENUE PRODUCING one.

 

 

Like PG County’s Chip Harris,  Fairfax County’s Patty Paczan, Aquatic Section Manager, notes that this model – the RECenter or multi-use leisure facility which includes aquatics – is the key to success of aquatics operational efficiency.  Their RECenters combine various leisure activities with aquatics (fitness rooms, meeting rooms for classes, racquetball courts, etc.) under one roof to be able to be 100% self-supporting.  Some of their RECenters are more profitable than others, but their Oak Marr RECenter  aquatics enjoys immense popularity and community support, and the features offered are:  50-meter indoor pool, sauna, spa, fitness room, spin studio, meeting rooms, racquetball/handball/wallyball, as well as outdoor amenities of several soccer fields, and a golf complex which includes mini-golf.

 

 I would recommend the county aim to offer something that is completely lacking if it is to add any real value to the existing aquatics offerings in Howard County, such as a 50-meter indoor pool and a public indoor leisure pool with the play features kids desire but a large enough area for therapy classes during non-peak hours.  I’d also recommend offering non-aquatic amenities like a fitness room, exercise room, and a few small meeting rooms – and site this “multi-use leisure facility” on the empty lot adjacent to CA’s Hopewell Pool & Mini-WaterPark  -- and you’ve got a terrific synergistic draw for year-round aquatics and fitness!    

 

Alternatively, to redevelop a portion of the land in CA’s Hobbit’s Glen Golf Course to include an indoor 50-meter pool, would help bring higher utilization to that property.

A multi-use leisure facility (where leisure activities - such a golfing or a mini-water park already exist  -  with a new 50-meter pool is the right type of facility that would satisfy BOTH programming (high school swimming, lap swimming, aqua fitness, swim lessons, water safety, competitive swimming, masters, water polo, synchronized swimming, etc.) and leisure needs.  Plus, a 50-meter pool is the “right” size pool – with its 22 lane configuration – to accommodate many user groups simultaneously. 

CONTACTS in surrounding counties

Fairfax County:

Patty Paczan, Aquatic Section Manager (oversees all of Fairfax County’s public pools)

703-324-8548 or patty.paczan@...

 

PG County:

Chip Harris, Aquatics Manager for Fairland Aquatic Center

301-362-6062
 
In a message dated 12/15/2008 11:22:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, RGoodri973 writes:
Dear Mr. Ulman:
 
A year ago at your first Citizens' Budget Meeting (Dec. 2007), I was the lone voice who made a pitch for a 50-meter indoor pool in Howard County, based on observation of need and heavy aquatics use in our county. 
 
So much has changed since that day:  more voices added to mine; a new aquatic feasibility study; the economic climate. 
 
So much has stayed the same: my support for a 50-meter indoor pool; still no formal plans to move forward on a public aquatics facility.
 
I'd like to thank you, Mr. Arthur, and the Department of Recreation and Parks for listening to me and other aquatics advocates, and for formalizing the focus on public aquatics by commissioning the feasibility study.  Furthermore, I'd like to thank Mr. Arthur and the RAP Advisory Board for acknowledging that a "need" for public aquatics exists -- as well as for publicly stating their willingness to partner to the Columbia Association and the Revenue Authority to explore the idea of bringing such a project to fruition.  These are steps in the right direction.
 
However, there is one issue in the feasibility study that I'd like to address -- that of the Opinion of Revenue for 50-meter pools.  As I told Mr. Arthur and the RAP Advisory Board in November, I did my own research with surrounding counties on their 50-meter pools -- particularly with regard to revenue-generation and program usage (such as # of program days for swim meet rentals, among other metrics) and found that the report grossly understated the revenue potential of such pools.  I'd be happy to share my findings in detail, as well as my sources (names, titles and contact info) from surrounding counties.  Based on this I suggested that the Recreation and Parks' staff do their own research and talk directly to the staffers I spoke to, to get a more accurate portrayal of revenue potential of these types of pools.  This is important so that we do not prematurely rule out the potential of a 50-meter pool. 
 
The aquatics director in Fairfax County said that the model facility that best suits 50-meter pools is one that offers multiple amenities, such a golfing, racquetball, exercise rooms, and meeting rooms.  The county's aquatic consultant agreed with this , and they suggested locating a pool nearby another recreational facility. 
 
I refer to this as the public "country club" model.  Fairfax County's most successful and profitable 50-meter pool (Oak Marr) adjoins a golf complex and in addition to the 50-meter pool it also offers a sauna, spa, fitness rooms, spin studio, racquetball courts, and meeting rooms.
 
Imagine partnering with the Columbia Association to bring higher utilization to one of their golf courses or other amenities by partnering with them to redevelop underutilized land -- creating local "destinations" for county residents and beyond -- all the while helping CA to maintain their many properties. 
 
I can't think of a better way to stimulate the local economy than by modernizing health and fitness destinations and bringing them up 21st century standards!   I think it's commendable that RAP and CA are both willing to discuss partnership arrangements, given that each entity has resources (i.e., customer base/growth potential; land) that the other entity lacks.  It could be a true win/win.
 
Imagine all the other partnerships that can be fostered to turn such a vision into a reality -- bringing aboard the Revenue Authority, HCPSS, the Health Department, the Office of Aging, and HCC.  Something for everyone -- aquatics fitness, health, therapy, competition, education.  Something that we all can share.  The long term benefits to the citizenry far outweigh the short term costs.  An investment in the citizenry.
 
With this in mind, I think your administration should make it a priority to show a tangible sign of support for such a project -- even if symbolic.  I respectfully request that you consider adding a token amount of seed money to the FY10 Capital Budget to signify a small step toward this goal:  perhaps $500,000 to start demolition or site preparation for redeveloping a parcel of land.   And not to intrude upon any existing -- and worthwhile -- program, but if it eventually turns out that the Healthy Howard access program monies need redirecting (Baltimore Sun article 12-11-08), then by all means redirect them toward the FY10 budget seed monies for a public Rec Center/50-meter pool!  And the monies would even remain under the Healthy Howard umbrella, so they wouldn't be straying too far!
 
Thank you for the opportunity to share my views, and for considering public sentiment in support of  aquatics (and particularly, for a 50-meter indoor pool) in Howard County.
 
Regards,
 
Diane Goodridge
8525 High Timber Ct.
Ellicott City, MD  21043
 





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