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Re: [GleannAbhannEquestrian] Re: authorization question

But the issue in my case isn't the fee.  As I said, Katie spends more on her entry fees at one show than she would for both her and her husband to attend an SCA eq event and become members.  (Though I would suggest that before you assume your farrier is rich because he is busy, you compare his gross take each day to the mileage he covered in (usually) a large truck carrying a whole lot of weight....)
 
The imbalance is that a person interested in heavy fighting can spend three years attending local practices, fighting, making his armor, getting to know the entire shire, etc. without ever becoming a member.  He/She only has to make the membership decision when they decide they want to start fighting at events and so need to authorize.
 
We don't have Eq practices in every reasonably sized shire in the kingdom.  Or even every other one.  Sure my farrier could come over and try the games at my place, but what about someone who lives 2-3 hours from the closest of us who has games equipment?  And we have what, two events each year? So saying she could attend one without horses first and then decide...well, by the time another eq event rolls around she's given up and moved on to other horse hobbies.
 
I just think it's unfair to demand that a newcomer make a membership vs. surcharge decision before they can ever experience what we do.  Hence, the usefulness of the one-day authorization; possibly with a limit of 2 or 3 repititions before a person has to either properly authorize with membership or surcharge or give up on SCA eq.  It's a situational problem, and hopefully one day we'll have enough equestrians scattered across the kingdom that regular practices abound and we won't have this issue anymore, but...
 
Lora


--- On Fri, 5/29/09, Neal <zekestrikesagain@...> wrote:

From: Neal <zekestrikesagain@...>
Subject: [GleannAbhannEquestrian] Re: authorization question
To: GleannAbhannEquestrian@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 7:37 AM

--- In GleannAbhannEquestr ian@yahoogroups. com, Alicia Trissler <aliciashorses@ ...> wrote:
>
For heavy weapons, you have to be a member or pay a 25$ processing fee for the authorization card that is good for 4 years. Nothing says that you have to be a member or pay anything for years 2,3,4 unless the event specifically requires it. ie gulf wars requires a blue card, picture id, and authorization card to get the sticker. There are several aurthorized heavy fighters that let their membership lapse for 3 years, and pay the surcharge at the 2 or 3 events they attend locally because of the money issue.

As for a ferrier not being able to afford it, i laugh because i am about 2-3 weeks overdue for the ferrier because he has more work than he can handle

Emeric

> The handbook is still in the dafting stage. I put info in the files section
> for folks to look over, but I have had no feedback on it. If no one else
> has any input, then I'm going to compile and complete it by the end of June
> so it can be sent up the chain of command. So thanks Lora for your input. :)
>
> I agree with the day authorization or be fully authorized by paying the $25
> for non members or have a membership. We have done day authorizations, such
> as at GW, so its not really new, and as long as they sign all the
> appropriate forms - individually signed waiver, authorization form, etc.
> just as if they were a member or paying the $25, we can authorize for the
> day.
>
> Of course, our EM and Crown would have the final say.
>
> Alicia
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Laura Lecher <loragreymare@ ...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > How far has Gleann Abhann gotten in drafting their Eq rules?
> >
> > My question is: do you have to be a member in order to authorize for eq
> > activities?
> >
> > From a quick perusal of Society Eq rules, they don't require membership for
> > rider authorization, just for marshal authorization. GA Kingdom combat
> > authorization requires membership or else an extra $25 fee.
> >
> > Is Eq going to follow the heavy standard? Or possibly modify it? For a
> > while Meridies was allowing "one-day authorizations" that did not require
> > membership, and you had to re-authorize at any official event/practice you
> > attended, or you could become a member in order to get a "permanent"
> > authorization. Don't know if they still do that.
> >
> > What's the plan? If we have one....
> >
> > Personally, if it has not yet been decided, my vote would be for the
> > one-day authorization option, if it is legal and can get OKed by the Crown,
> > Earl Marshal, etc. The reason for the variance from combat standard is that
> > as a group the Equestrians are too far scattered to allow regular practices
> > where a newcomer could truly try out the activity, the way newbies can try
> > heavy fighting, rapier, etc. at a local practice without authorization. The
> > only time for new people to really try Eq activities is at events. But the
> > regs require authorization to ride at an event, which leaves us in a
> > catch-22 if membership is required: either you don't ride, or you know
> > ahead of time that you're going to enjoy it enough to want to be a
> > member....
> >
> > I'm asking because my farrier has expressed interest in trying out what we
> > do -- she and her husband are long-time professional horsepeople and active
> > in ranch-horse competitions, so there's no question they could easily
> > authorize for the basic games. I just want to be able to give her accurate
> > info with regards to the cost if she wanted to attend Aphar Faire with her
> > horse. Granted when I summed up the average cost for one of our events, she
> > was rather taken aback -- she's going to spend more than $150 on her entry
> > fees alone for an ARHA show in a couple weeks, so the membership cost isn't
> > necessarily an obstacle for them, but it can be for other newcomers.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lora
> >
> >
>



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How far has Gleann Abhann gotten in drafting their Eq rules?   My question is: do you have to be a member in order to authorize for eq activities?   From a...
Laura Lecher
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May 28, 2009
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The handbook is still in the dafting stage. I put info in the files section for folks to look over, but I have had no feedback on it. If no one else has any...
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May 28, 2009
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... For heavy weapons, you have to be a member or pay a 25$ processing fee for the authorization card that is good for 4 years. Nothing says that you have to...
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But the issue in my case isn't the fee.  As I said, Katie spends more on her entry fees at one show than she would for both her and her husband to attend an...
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