GatewayGrizzlies : Message: [Gateway Grizzlies] Re: Frontier League

Tim-
I will be at the meetings most of the day tomorrow. At least for the
morning.

--- In GatewayGrizzlies@yahoogroups.com, "tim trueblood"
<stltimt@h...> wrote:
>
> Way to go Joe! Thanks for setting the record straight with insight
from
> both sides as well as the inside of this issue.
> Question for you, are you attending any of the Independent League
Meetings
> being held in St Louis over the nxt 3 days?
> thanks,
>
> tim trueblood
> Crestwood, MO>
>
>
> <tt>
> Perhaps I never should have replied in this group in the first
place, 
> but now that I have my credibility questioned, I feel I have
to. . . 
> First things first-since you so freely question my credibility 
> perhaps someone should challenge your credibility. You know who I
am 
> and what I do-we know you only as "anonymous disturbed
fan." As I
> 
> said before, the Grizzlies do NOT set the salary cap or limits-the
 
> league does. You seem to understand this, but still want to raise
the 
> argument of what salaries are. As for your comment about none of
the 
> players making the league max: it is not for me to comment on what
 
> players make what money (I do NOT know most of the
players'salaries) 
> I will say perhaps you should check your facts more closely. On
your 
> question as to whether or not I would trade my salary in the summer
 
> for what the players make: again I would ask you to check your
facts. 
> You do not know what I make, and I will tell you only that if you
 
> broke my salary down by hour you would see that NOBODY is getting
 
> rich here. I however, like the players, knew what I was getting
into. 
> I, like MOST of the players, are happy to be a part of the finest
 
> organization in the FL. I am happy to be in baseball and
broadcasting 
> just as most of these players are happy to be playing baseball. If
 
> any of the players are unhappy with their situations they are free
to 
> leave. Please remember each player is given a place to live for the
 
> summer, meal money on road trips (it isn't much but I get it too)
And 
> the finest booster club in the league that provides these players
 
> with food and comforts that most of the folks in and around the 
> league never see. I assure you there are much worse things than
being 
> a FL player for a summer. As Mr. Bergheger pointed out, this IS a
 
> developmental league. Quite a few of these guys would not be
playing 
> pro ball if it weren't for the FL. While I fully agree with your
 
> right to question the salary structure in the league as a whole, I
do 
> not appreciate you questioning the way the Grizzlies treat their
 
> players and certainly don't appreciate you challenging my
credibility. 
> 
> "Not so anonymous disturbed broadcaster." 
> 
> --- In GatewayGrizzlies@yahoogroups.com, "incog202003"
 
> incog202003@y... wrote: 
> > 
> > Mr Broadcaster, Even though the league sets the salaries,
shouldnt 
> > the league max be higher than only $1200 per month?? Not just
the 
> > grizzlie players, but all of the players in the league are
being 
> > treated unfairly. I have heard, some players have side jobs
but are
> 
> > still expected to be at the park from 3 til 10pm?!!Lets say
for 
> > instance that everyone on the team makes $1200/month. Thats
$600 
> > every 2 weeks, before taxes. After taxes it is probably much
 
> > closerto the $450 every 2 weeks. Now thats just the players
who 
> > make the league max...from what I've heard, none of the 2005
 
> > grizzlies where paid the league max! At a job that your
required 
> to 
> > be present pretty much 8 hours a day/ 7 days a week/ the
ENTIRE 
> > SUMMER. Joe @ $450 every 2 weeks, your right $4 an hour is
pretty 
> > fair. I wonder if you would trade your salary during the
summer 
> with 
> > one of the players and think that its fair. But the league
gets 
> > around the minnmum wage laws, by paying them for 1 hour of
work 
> per 
> > day, the games alone are (ecspcially last year) 3 hours! As a
 
> > season ticket holder the last 2 years, I know that the
grizzlies 
> > have there hands tied, but if the league would increase the
salary 
> > limits teams would get better players also. Joe I love
listening to
> 
> > you on the radio, but supporting the fact that the players on
the 
> > teams are being treated fairly, you have lost credibility in
mine 
> > and others eyes. Your closer to these players than even us
season 
> > ticket holders could ever dream to be If you wont defend them,
who 
> > will I wonder? There is no Union for these 50 guys on the
field. 
> > With gas prices as high as they are I wonder how many of th
06' 
> > Grizzlies will be able to afford to drive to the field and eat
 
> > dinner in the same day!- Anonymous disturbed Fan 
> > 
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> > 
> > -- In GatewayGrizzlies@yahoogroups.com, "joepott"
> joepott@y... 
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > I'm sorry you feel that the players are being treated
unfairly. I
> 
> > can 
> > > tell you that they are treated better than many teams in
the 
> > league. 
> > > As for the salaries-they are NOT determined by each
individual
> 
> > club. 
> > > They are determined by the Frontier League. 
> > > 
> > > --- In GatewayGrizzlies@yahoogroups.com,
"gatewaygriz"
> 
> > > gatewaygriz@y... wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > I wonder how the players feel. We love to go to
watch our
> team 
> > play 
> > > > and hang out in the stands, but I wonder what it is
like on
> the 
> > > other 
> > > > side. With the last letter that Bill Lee wrote
about the
> 
> > players 
> > > just 
> > > > being the "side show" so to speak, what is
this all
> about. I 
> > have 
> > > > heard from a very reliable un named source that at
Gateway
> they 
> > make 
> > > > enough money in concessions alone on average to pay
all of
> the 
> > > plyers 
> > > > saleries for the entire year. Some nights double
that. Is
> 
> this 
> > > > right? Are the players being treated fairly? Does
the
> league 
> > just 
> > > > look at them as a side show? I understand this is a
business
> 
> > but 
> > > they 
> > > > should make more money. 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
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> Gateway Grizzlies | Sauget, IL 
> 2004 Frontier League Champions</tt>
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