This may be a good time for a debate on my role as moderator of the
list server.

I see my primary role as helping anyone with technical problems with
the list server such as resolving bouncing, enrolling, and so forth.

I see my secondary role as keeping the list server at a family
oriented level of obscenity etc.  So far I have never considered nor
has anyone suggested that I need to apply this role.  I have also
taken on the role of banning and deleting spam emailers and emails.

If anyone thinks my role should be something different in any way
please let me know.  I am a volunteer not an anarchist, although
while dreaming I sometimes aspire to be one.

I don't own the list server.  Originally, I tried to get a bulletin
board started for our local cyclists.  Jim Long asked me to start a
list server rather than a bulletin board as the bulletin board would
require a log in to check messages rather than emails automatically
being sent to everyone that opts in.  The only benefit of the
bulletin board is that we could have unlimited storage of files such
as cheat sheets, photos, and the like.

I would actually like to set up a web site for FrederickVelo that
would include cheat sheets etc. to coincide with the list server.  I
would just add the site to the racerneal.com website as separate
pages.  So, if you have any cheat sheets or photos to add please
send them to me at dwayne@....

The short story is that if the group suggests that someone else
should do the moderating, or share the moderating, then that is the
group's option.

Dwayne

On Sunday 01 January 2006 11:08 am, Dwayne Neal wrote:
> This may be a good time for a debate on my role as moderator of the
> list server.
>

As far as I'm concerned, you're doing a great service to all of us Dwayne.
Keep up the good work.

No problems Dwayne, It fact the list server is a real pain getting
all the emails.
Is a cheat sheet like a ride map? That ride yesterday should go in
as a top 10 ride. No violent hills, Babbling brooks, Super
overlooks, beautiful valleys, Low traffic, Good road surfaces. From
Frederick it is a 60 mile ride.
Here is a general idea...Goes like this:
Rt 40W
hollow road
rt 17
rt 77 w
Quick right at light
quick right onto 491?
Mt Zion 2nd one
R on foxville
L on Brown
Garfield
R on Brandenburg Hollow
R on Stottlemeyer
straight on Pleasant something
Easterday
L on something
R on 17
L on Valley View
L on Hollow
R on 40 E

Dwayne's been smoking crack again.  ;-)  You're doing a fine job.

Pillowsplat...see below for some turn cues and road names that I can
remember...It's been a little while since I've been on some of these
roads...however, I can't remember all the turns.

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pillowsplat
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:09 AM
To: FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FrederickVelo] Re: Moderator

No problems Dwayne, It fact the list server is a real pain getting all
the emails.
Is a cheat sheet like a ride map? That ride yesterday should go in as a
top 10 ride. No violent hills, Babbling brooks, Super overlooks,
beautiful valleys, Low traffic, Good road surfaces. From Frederick it is
a 60 mile ride.
Here is a general idea...Goes like this:
Rt 40W
hollow road
rt 17
rt 77 w
Quick right at light
quick right onto 491?
Mt Zion 2nd one
R on foxville
L on Brown
L on Garfield
R on Brandenburg Hollow
R on Stottlemeyer
straight on Pleasant Valley
L on Easterday
L on Rt. 40
R on 17
L on Valley View
L on Hollow
R on 40 E








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Correction...pleasant Walk...not Pleasant Valley Rd...

-----Original Message-----
From: FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pillowsplat
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:09 AM
To: FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FrederickVelo] Re: Moderator

No problems Dwayne, It fact the list server is a real pain getting all
the emails.
Is a cheat sheet like a ride map? That ride yesterday should go in as a
top 10 ride. No violent hills, Babbling brooks, Super overlooks,
beautiful valleys, Low traffic, Good road surfaces. From Frederick it is
a 60 mile ride.
Here is a general idea...Goes like this:
Rt 40W
hollow road
rt 17
rt 77 w
Quick right at light
quick right onto 491?
Mt Zion 2nd one
R on foxville
L on Brown
Garfield
R on Brandenburg Hollow
R on Stottlemeyer
straight on Pleasant something
Easterday
L on something
R on 17
L on Valley View
L on Hollow
R on 40 E







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Ditto ... Yesterdays ride was a great loop. As far as the list
server crap, I think everything is fine. One more thing, I know I'm
one of the new kids, but nice picture of my rusty Trek 760 posted
someplace conspicuous would be nice. And for those who suggested
during yesterdays ride that my bike would blend in nicely with the
old rusty cars and tractors in the barn yard on the right going up
rt. 17, I don't get mad, I get even!






-- In FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Falconer \(pfalcone\)"
<pfalcone@c...> wrote:
>
> Correction...pleasant Walk...not Pleasant Valley Rd...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pillowsplat
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:09 AM
> To: FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FrederickVelo] Re: Moderator
>
> No problems Dwayne, It fact the list server is a real pain getting
all
> the emails.
> Is a cheat sheet like a ride map? That ride yesterday should go in
as a
> top 10 ride. No violent hills, Babbling brooks, Super overlooks,
> beautiful valleys, Low traffic, Good road surfaces. From Frederick
it is
> a 60 mile ride.
> Here is a general idea...Goes like this:
> Rt 40W
> hollow road
> rt 17
> rt 77 w
> Quick right at light
> quick right onto 491?
> Mt Zion 2nd one
> R on foxville
> L on Brown
> Garfield
> R on Brandenburg Hollow
> R on Stottlemeyer
> straight on Pleasant something
> Easterday
> L on something
> R on 17
> L on Valley View
> L on Hollow
> R on 40 E
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

One thing I have learned over my short tenure in the cycling world, it is
not about what you ride it is all about the engine pushing the pedals.
However 5lbs less when climbing hills saves the engine valuable fuel.


> [Original Message]
> From: rustitrek <rustitrek@...>
> To: <FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/2/2006 12:29:48 PM
> Subject: [FrederickVelo] Re: Moderator
>
>
> Ditto ... Yesterdays ride was a great loop. As far as the list
> server crap, I think everything is fine. One more thing, I know I'm
> one of the new kids, but nice picture of my rusty Trek 760 posted
> someplace conspicuous would be nice. And for those who suggested
> during yesterdays ride that my bike would blend in nicely with the
> old rusty cars and tractors in the barn yard on the right going up
> rt. 17, I don't get mad, I get even!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- In FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Falconer \(pfalcone\)"
> <pfalcone@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Correction...pleasant Walk...not Pleasant Valley Rd...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pillowsplat
> > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:09 AM
> > To: FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FrederickVelo] Re: Moderator
> >
> > No problems Dwayne, It fact the list server is a real pain getting
> all
> > the emails.
> > Is a cheat sheet like a ride map? That ride yesterday should go in
> as a
> > top 10 ride. No violent hills, Babbling brooks, Super overlooks,
> > beautiful valleys, Low traffic, Good road surfaces. From Frederick
> it is
> > a 60 mile ride.
> > Here is a general idea...Goes like this:
> > Rt 40W
> > hollow road
> > rt 17
> > rt 77 w
> > Quick right at light
> > quick right onto 491?
> > Mt Zion 2nd one
> > R on foxville
> > L on Brown
> > Garfield
> > R on Brandenburg Hollow
> > R on Stottlemeyer
> > straight on Pleasant something
> > Easterday
> > L on something
> > R on 17
> > L on Valley View
> > L on Hollow
> > R on 40 E
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Jimbo Jimbo. Tom and I have been working on him for 6 months. I had
him on the ropes....now you gave him a toe hold. That means I will
have to service his Trek for another year. It hurts my back everytime
I lift the thing up into the bike stand. Not to mention the chance of
tetanus is very real.
John

Don and I are going over to Solarex tonight. 1.5 hours to 2. This will
not be a total base workout. The plan is to get a good warm up 20 laps.
then some AT pulls for 5 min - recovery. Some maximal short intervals
immeditaly followed up with high speed spins with good recovery. Some
lead outs and warm down.
John

What time? Temps are suppose to be close to 50 by 4:00.

Jimbo


> [Original Message]
> From: pillowsplat <jolinski@...>
> To: <FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/5/2006 7:49:40 AM
> Subject: [FrederickVelo] Thursday Night 1-5
>
> Don and I are going over to Solarex tonight. 1.5 hours to 2. This will
> not be a total base workout. The plan is to get a good warm up 20 laps.
> then some AT pulls for 5 min - recovery. Some maximal short intervals
> immeditaly followed up with high speed spins with good recovery. Some
> lead outs and warm down.
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

John and I are going to try to start around 5:30ish. I have to bolt
around 7ish.


-- In FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com, "James G Long"
<ktallyjamie@e...> wrote:
>
> What time? Temps are suppose to be close to 50 by 4:00.
>
> Jimbo
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: pillowsplat <jolinski@a...>
> > To: <FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: 1/5/2006 7:49:40 AM
> > Subject: [FrederickVelo] Thursday Night 1-5
> >
> > Don and I are going over to Solarex tonight. 1.5 hours to 2.
This will
> > not be a total base workout. The plan is to get a good warm up
20 laps.
> > then some AT pulls for 5 min - recovery. Some maximal short
intervals
> > immeditaly followed up with high speed spins with good recovery.
Some
> > lead outs and warm down.
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Thursday 05 January 2006 4:38 pm, James G Long wrote:
> Don and John, Will not make it tonight, I'm toast, 3 hours in the saddle up
> 77 into the park.
>
> On a side note, any rides planned for this weekend? Saturday looks cold,
> high in the upper 30's. Sunday in the middle 40's. I plan on riding both
> days. Sunday start time for me will be around 12:00-1:00, I need to go and
> declare all my misgivings from the past week or so.
>

Weather.com is now saying 41 on Saturday.  Not bad.

Jim,
Sunday 1st. I would like to catch up with you on Sunday but I think Don
and I are going to catch up with the Wheel Base ride and utilize it as
a 3 hour foundation mile ride. Although noon would be much warmer it
kicks the rest of the day in the Butt.
Saturday I'll probably head out about 10:00 from my house (Lake
Linganore) and head for the Gambrill area for some climbing repeats. My
guess is you don't want to do 2 days of hills. I was planning on riding
alone since everybody is on a different schedule and different training
program.
   We need to talk as you seem to be coming out of base training. Do you
want to hit some of those early crits in Feb?
How does one chase down registration to the Marba races?
John

Subscribe to the D20 list server, they will announce when registration is
open.
I plan on getting my feet wet at the trade zone series, this race in the
past fills up quickly, B and C race, no online registration, get there
early!!! and stand in line.
Not sure what the Winter Solstice Series is about starting 2/12, new event,
may try that also.
Check out the MABRA site and the tentative race schedule is posted for 2006.

Jimbo


> [Original Message]
> From: pillowsplat <jolinski@...>
> To: <FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/6/2006 5:28:02 PM
> Subject: [FrederickVelo] Weekend Plans
>
> Jim,
> Sunday 1st. I would like to catch up with you on Sunday but I think Don
> and I are going to catch up with the Wheel Base ride and utilize it as
> a 3 hour foundation mile ride. Although noon would be much warmer it
> kicks the rest of the day in the Butt.
> Saturday I'll probably head out about 10:00 from my house (Lake
> Linganore) and head for the Gambrill area for some climbing repeats. My
> guess is you don't want to do 2 days of hills. I was planning on riding
> alone since everybody is on a different schedule and different training
> program.
>   We need to talk as you seem to be coming out of base training. Do you
> want to hit some of those early crits in Feb?
> How does one chase down registration to the Marba races?
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

This Sunday 1/7 and next Sunday 1/14 I will not be able to lead the 9:00
ride from Wheel Base.
We ride as long as it's above 25 degrees and no perception. We check
www.weather.com for the temperature.
I have talked to some riders who are going to show and there may be enough
for two rides.
Looks like it will be around 35 degrees.

Tom

There's a new training series starting up this year sponsored by Whole
Wheel Velo, I've heard.  The races are going to be held at Quicksilver.
This is a very easy course to ride.  Nice wide turns and little to no
traffic.  Keep your eyes open on the D20 listserv as Jimbo said.

-----Original Message-----
From: FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James G Long
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:16 AM
To: FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FrederickVelo] Weekend Plans

Subscribe to the D20 list server, they will announce when registration
is open.
I plan on getting my feet wet at the trade zone series, this race in the
past fills up quickly, B and C race, no online registration, get there
early!!! and stand in line.
Not sure what the Winter Solstice Series is about starting 2/12, new
event, may try that also.
Check out the MABRA site and the tentative race schedule is posted for
2006.

Jimbo


> [Original Message]
> From: pillowsplat <jolinski@...>
> To: <FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 1/6/2006 5:28:02 PM
> Subject: [FrederickVelo] Weekend Plans
>
> Jim,
> Sunday 1st. I would like to catch up with you on Sunday but I think
> Don and I are going to catch up with the Wheel Base ride and utilize
> it as a 3 hour foundation mile ride. Although noon would be much
> warmer it kicks the rest of the day in the Butt.
> Saturday I'll probably head out about 10:00 from my house (Lake
> Linganore) and head for the Gambrill area for some climbing repeats.
> My guess is you don't want to do 2 days of hills. I was planning on
> riding alone since everybody is on a different schedule and different
> training program.
>   We need to talk as you seem to be coming out of base training. Do
> you want to hit some of those early crits in Feb?
> How does one chase down registration to the Marba races?
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>





Yahoo! Groups Links

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Trdina

To: FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 1/7/2006 2:52:59 PM

Subject: RE: [FrederickVelo] Weekend Plans

Whats the subscribe address for d-20...?

Thanks in advance.

Brian


James G Long <ktallyjamie@...> wrote:

Subscribe to the D20 list server, they will announce when registration is
open.
I plan on getting my feet wet at the trade zone series, this race in the
past fills up quickly, B and C race, no online registration, get there
early!!! and stand in line.
Not sure what the Winter Solstice Series is about starting 2/12, new event,
may try that also.
Check out the MABRA site and the tentative race schedule is posted for 2006.

Jimbo


> [Original Message]
> From: pillowsplat
> To:
> Date: 1/6/2006 5:28:02 PM
> Subject: [FrederickVelo] Weekend Plans
>
> Jim,
> Sunday 1st. I would like to catch up with you on Sunday but I think Don
> and I are going to catch up with the Wheel Base ride and utilize it as
> a 3 hour foundation mile ride. Although noon would be much warmer it
> kicks the rest of the day in the Butt.
> Saturday I'll probably head out about 10:00 from my house (Lake
> Linganore) and head for the Gambrill area for some climbing repeats. My
> guess is you don't want to do 2 days of hills. I was planning on riding
> alone since everybody is on a different schedule and different training
> program.
> We need to talk as you seem to be coming out of base training. Do you
> want to hit some of those early crits in Feb?
> How does one chase down registration to the Marba races?
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>





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Looks to be clear tonight. Lets shoot for 5:30 6:00.

I am planning on attending tonight. Should be there around 6PM.

Don't hurt me too much tonight !!

David Raimist - Red Fuji

--- In FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com, "pillowsplat" <jolinski@a...> wrote:
>
> Looks to be clear tonight. Lets shoot for 5:30 6:00.
>

David, If Olinski (AKA Lumpy )is going to be there it is going to
HURT!!!






--- In FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com, "David" <draimist@a...> wrote:
>
>
> I am planning on attending tonight. Should be there around 6PM.
>
> Don't hurt me too much tonight !!:((
>
> David Raimist - Red Fuji
>
>
> --- In FrederickVelo@yahoogroups.com, "pillowsplat"
<jolinski@a...> wrote:
> >
> > Looks to be clear tonight. Lets shoot for 5:30 6:00.
> >
>

For those that were at Solarex last night, fun ride! I'm planning on
Thurs. about the same time - 5:30ish.