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Re: [FSRA] Points

I realize my viewpoint may appear biased since I'm a parent from a large crew (Lake Brantley) that won all points last year, but here it is anyway.
 
The current points system allows a large club to gain an advantage towards the all points trophy and therefore promotes recruiting of more young people into crew sports.  Hopefully, this is viewed by all parties as good for the individuals recruited into the healthy lifestyle imposed by this rigorous sport and good for the promotion of the sport of crew throughout the state.  This positive aspect of promoting recruiting should not be taken lightly.  At some time in the future, if enough young people are in crew, we may someday gain the recognition that will allow crew to become a state recognized and sponsored sport.
 
The smaller clubs that win the premier events of Varsity 8, Varsity 4, etc. have the medals and bragging rights of winning those events.  This is their reward and acknowledgement of their accomplishment in and of itself.  Possibly, some of these smaller clubs will recruit harder for next season in order to enter more events and thereby have a better chance of winning the all points trophy.  How is this system bad for crew as a whole?  Yes, the current system allows a large club an advantage but only if the club can compete well in many events.  If a large club does poorly in many events it most likely will not have sufficient points to win overall.
 
Yes, the system does promote recruiting for crew and brings more young people to crew.  I see this as a positive and not a negative.  I don't believe we should artificially weight the points system in such a way that it makes it possible for a four boat crew to win states.  In that case, why recruit when a distinct advantage may be had by cutting rowers to the best four boats and spending all coaching and equipment resources on those four boats?  I think this weighted system will send the wrong message and will not be good for crew as a sport.
 
At any rate, our points system should follow the national points system.  I don't think we can go wrong if we follow the nationally recognized system and after all, Nationals will be held here in 2004.  Anything else should be viewed as artificial weighting to give one "disadvantaged" group an advantage over another.  Neither our society nor our young people need to experience that anymore than has already been imposed on them. 
 
Thanks for listening.
Steve Burgess
Lake Brantley Crew
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:44 PM
Subject: [FSRA] Points

Per a few requests I've attached a revised version of the point proposal.  I forgot to include the sculling events but intentionally left out Lightweights in hopes that the fastest boats would be entered in the premier events.  I realize that eliminating the lightweight category did not pass last year, so in that case light 8s & 4s would be equivalent to 2nd 8s & 4s.  My reasoning behind a revised system is to try to give smaller programs who are competitive in the premier events the opportunity to make a showing at States.

Jamie Francis
Edgewater


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Per a few requests I've attached a revised version of the point proposal. I forgot to include the sculling events but intentionally left out Lightweights in...
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Aug 8, 2003
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I realize my viewpoint may appear biased since I'm a parent from a large crew (Lake Brantley) that won all points last year, but here it is anyway. The current...
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Aug 9, 2003
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The current point system rewards the largest team, not necessarily the fastest. The revised points system is being designed so that the fastest and most...
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Aug 11, 2003
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I have not yet seen the revised point system. Jamie, can you please send me a copy? Reading between the lines I wonder if the revised point system is based on...
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Aug 11, 2003
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John, Here is the revised point system. No, the revised point system was brought up at last year's coaching conference. However, since it was not on the ...
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Aug 11, 2003
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Howdy, I just wanted to give some input to the points system which I think is flawed and needs to be revised. No offense at all is being directed to any...
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Aug 11, 2003
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I remember a points system at the U. Tampa Presiden't Cup which was based on winning and the time gap more than just finish placing. The closer you were to the...
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Aug 12, 2003
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Some things to have available for discussion possibilities: 1) For our upcoming discussions, would you please generate and distribute a point schedule that...
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Aug 12, 2003
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Here you go, this could be the answer. I realize it would have to be adjusted for our use, but it would be a very fair way of dealing with the issue. I just...
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Aug 12, 2003
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Like I said, the Royal Canadian Henley system would have to be revised in order for it to work with our existing State Championship. While their system does...
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Aug 12, 2003
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I'm thinking that the points are off a percentage of the winning crews time. EG. The winner gets100 and the second place crew if 95% of the winners time would...
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Aug 13, 2003
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It seems we've gone almost a full day without more discussion about revising the point system and I wouldn't want that to happen. I would just like to submit...
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Aug 15, 2003
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Drifting away from the points system discussion, I have something else to consider. Since this is a "State Championship", shouldn't the format be different...
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Hello Everyone, Martyn Dennis, Buoy Man here. I can't resist. I have throughly enjoyed being on the outside of the high school coaching scene when it comes to...
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Aug 15, 2003
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I agree with this format look at Track, Swimming not everyone race and we then could go for it at Clubs. This would put a carrot in front of the horses to...
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I like the option of lots of events at the state championship level. As a team this year we will be setting standards for going to the state race so not...
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Aug 15, 2003
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Coaches, and anybody else who reads all of the coaches email. We are getting carried away with the point thing. First: I asked Jamie Francis last year before...
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