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#670 From: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:59 pm
Subject: Monthly Crewsters Meeting, 1/19/2006, 7:00 pm
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Monthly Crewsters Meeting

Thursday January 19, 2006
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#669 From: David Cusano <djcusano@...>
Date: Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:51 pm
Subject: Winter Training Update (Boy's)
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Hey all,
 
Just wanted to give everyone a quick update on the Winter Training sessions for the Varsity Boy's.
 
As we enter our second month of training, the gains are becoming more and more evident.  Times and splits have been coming down and continue to do so.  And although they would probably prefer to never hear the word 'calisthenics' again, I think that the work we have been doing is continuing to pay off.
 
We have been using the ergometers every Monday/Wednesday/Saturday and using the weight room at the school on Tuesday/Thursday.  I currently have 15 Varsity athletes (12 Novice from last spring and 3 returning Varsity) and we have added three Novice rowers to the mix due to open space in our sessions.  And we are now working out with the remaining Novices ever other Wednesday.
 
Regarding team numbers, in addition to those currently attending Winter Training, I know that two of the Novices from last spring are participating in other winter sports and three are working out on their own.  So that leaves only three athletes (two former Novices and one returning Varsity) from last years team that I have not heard from personally, one of which I know is currently injured.  So the numbers are looking good for the spring.
 
In addition to our training, we will also be adding tank sessions in February.  This will be a huge advantage for us, especially because we were unable to go to Florida for some on-the-water training.
 
So we continue on towards the 2006 spring season!


David J. Cusano
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Fayetteville-Manlius H.S. Crew
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#668 From: David Cusano <djcusano@...>
Date: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:59 pm
Subject: Boy's Practice Cancelled (01/16/06)
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Due to the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday (and not being sure if the school will be open), there will be no practice for the Varsity Boy's on Monday, January 16th.  Please spread the word.  Practice will resume on Tuesday at the normal time.
 
Thanks.


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Fayetteville-Manlius H.S. Crew
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#667 From: David Cusano <djcusano@...>
Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:14 pm
Subject: Varrsity Men's Practice (01/14/06)
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In light of this nice weather, I would ask all those attending the Varsity Men's practice tomorrow (Saturday) to bring gear to run outside.  Please pass the word to those that may not have email.
 
Thanks.


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Fayetteville-Manlius H.S. Crew
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#666 From: "Caren Konys" <ckonys@...>
Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: Novice/Varsity Tank Time
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Dear Dave,...Thanks so much for thinking of the girls too.  Hallie will look for the sheet on sat.  I wanted to let you know that the crewster mtg. is on Thurs the 19th (I'm pretty sure).  I hope your Holiday was great with family in town.  Tell Julie "hello"!  I'm sure she has thought about pharmacy sales?  I have three friends who have done or are doing it.  More flexible, local travel, good money (I think).  I will bring the items you gave us last year to the auction on the 20th.  If Julie has a business card or any information she'd like added please let me know.   Thanks, Caren and Rich
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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: [FMHS_Crew] Novice/Varsity Tank Time

Good evening all,
 
We are a little over a week away, so I wanted to remind all novice athletes about the start of the Syracuse Chargers Winter Novice Program being held at the Tank Room at Syracuse University.  The program is open to all athletes that are interested in rowing Novice in the spring.  I will be running the program for the Chargers, with help from Coach Higgins and Schnall and my wife Julie.
 
The program will run for six weeks, beginning January 21st.  Sessions will be held Saturday/Sunday from 3:00 - 5:00 PM.  The actual dates are: January 21st/22nd & 28th/29th and February 4th/5th, 11th/12th, 18th/19th & 25th/26th.  Athletes are free to attend any or all sessions.  The program cost is $80 and is open to both male and female athletes.  Those interested in being coxswains are also free to attend, although the focus will be on developing rowing skills.  I will available at the Crewster’s meeting next Wednesday if there are any questions about the program.  Also, feel free to send me an email.
 
In addition, I was able to secure tank time at the university for the Varsity Boy's.  There will be four available sessions (all on Saturdays) from 1:00 - 3:00 PM.  The dates are February 4th, 11th, 18th and 25th.  The cost is TBD, but will be less than $10 per athlete.  The price will be fixed and athletes are free to attend any or all sessions.  I would encourage all those interested in rowing Varsity in the spring to attend AT LEAST one session.  This would include those not currently participating in the winter training at the high school.
 
I will have a sign-up sheet starting this Saturday at practice.  If there are sessions where there are fewer athletes, I am currently working to see if I can open it to the Varsity Girl’s program.  I need to ask the university because the contract is currently for the Boy’s.  More information will follow, as soon as I hear back form the university.  But I will leave space on the sign-up sheet for the girls to sign up if they would like to participate, to gauge interest.
 
Thanks.
 
David J. Cusano
Head Men's Coach
Fayetteville-Manlius H.S. Crew


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#665 From: David Cusano <djcusano@...>
Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:15 am
Subject: Novice/Varsity Tank Time
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Good evening all,
 
We are a little over a week away, so I wanted to remind all novice athletes about the start of the Syracuse Chargers Winter Novice Program being held at the Tank Room at Syracuse University.  The program is open to all athletes that are interested in rowing Novice in the spring.  I will be running the program for the Chargers, with help from Coach Higgins and Schnall and my wife Julie.
 
The program will run for six weeks, beginning January 21st.  Sessions will be held Saturday/Sunday from 3:00 - 5:00 PM.  The actual dates are: January 21st/22nd & 28th/29th and February 4th/5th, 11th/12th, 18th/19th & 25th/26th.  Athletes are free to attend any or all sessions.  The program cost is $80 and is open to both male and female athletes.  Those interested in being coxswains are also free to attend, although the focus will be on developing rowing skills.  I will available at the Crewster’s meeting next Wednesday if there are any questions about the program.  Also, feel free to send me an email.
 
In addition, I was able to secure tank time at the university for the Varsity Boy's.  There will be four available sessions (all on Saturdays) from 1:00 - 3:00 PM.  The dates are February 4th, 11th, 18th and 25th.  The cost is TBD, but will be less than $10 per athlete.  The price will be fixed and athletes are free to attend any or all sessions.  I would encourage all those interested in rowing Varsity in the spring to attend AT LEAST one session.  This would include those not currently participating in the winter training at the high school.
 
I will have a sign-up sheet starting this Saturday at practice.  If there are sessions where there are fewer athletes, I am currently working to see if I can open it to the Varsity Girl’s program.  I need to ask the university because the contract is currently for the Boy’s.  More information will follow, as soon as I hear back form the university.  But I will leave space on the sign-up sheet for the girls to sign up if they would like to participate, to gauge interest.
 
Thanks.
 
David J. Cusano
Head Men's Coach
Fayetteville-Manlius H.S. Crew


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#664 From: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:00 am
Subject: Monthly Crewsters Meeting, 1/19/2006, 7:00 pm
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Thursday January 19, 2006
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#663 From: Michael & Mara Schwartz <maradc@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:37 pm
Subject: Re: RE: Spring season - program growth
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Thank you to all the parents and coaches who have been instrumental in making crew a reality at F-M High School. My son is a sophmore and this is his first year doing crew. He has finally found a sport that he really likes!! He did Fall Training with the Syracuse Chargers as a novice. For winter training he began in the novice program, but because of the volume of Freshman boys was bumped up to varsity. However, he is prepared to compete this spring in either the novice or varsity team, as long as he can race.
Just a few responses to the comments: I agree that for a student to work so hard and put so much into the winter training to then not have the opportunity to compete, would be discouraging and have a devastating effect for the student and program. I think one way to address this would be to require winter training as a prerequisite to be able to row on a team in spring. ( Maybe it already is, I don't know) Secondly,  just because someone is a senior, junior or sophmore and wants to join crew, does not guarantee them a spot. They too need to follow the system and go through the ropes like everyone else.  The example given of the 2 lacrosse girls who are intersted in joining crew, would not be automatically given a spot on a team. They too would need to have rowed before and gone through winter training in order to be fair to the kids who have been working so hard.
I look forward to meeting people at the meeting next week.
Mara

Ellen Oleary wrote:
Okay, thanks,
Ellen

>>> "Rob Hughes" <RHughes@...> 1/11/2006 3:22:01 PM >>>
Ellen,

I also stand corrected.  After talking with Rich Roy, hockey is in the vicinity of $1000- per kid. 

See you next week.

Rob

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From: Ellen Oleary [mailto:OLEARYE@...]
Sent: Wed 1/11/2006 2:10 PM
To: Rob Hughes; FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Spring season - program growth


Thanks, Rob.  I stand corrected.

>>> "Rob Hughes" <RHughes@...> 1/11/2006 1:50:24 PM >>>

Ellen,

I appreciate your passion and dedication to crew.  Over time it is possible that the F-M Crew program will grow, and as it grows parents will certainly be involved in the conversation about what the program looks like.

There are, however, a couple of facts I would like to clarify as we move forward in this conversation.  First, the costs per athelete for ice hockey are somewhere in the vicinity of $500- dollars per athelte, not $4000-.  Second, the costs per athlete for crew are in the vicinity of $850- per athlete.  After the co-pay of $250- has been factored in, crew is at the high end of the scale in terms of overall costs per student, for any program we that offer in either the athletic or co-curricular domain.

See you next week.

Rob Hughes


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From: Ellen Oleary [mailto:OLEARYE@...]
Sent: We d 1/11/2006 10:08 AM
To: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Rob Hughes
Subject: Spring season - program growth


Hi all,

First of all, let me start out by saying that what follows is NOT intended
as a criticism of either Head Coach David Schnall or Rob Hughes, they have
both been very supportive of the program.  They have worked very hard to make many positive things happen with the crew club and are constrained by our budget.

But I really need to raise a red flag about a numbers crunch that we are
about to experience that I do not think we are prepared to deal with. 

After the first year of the program, Crewster officers got together with
school officials and came up with a broad 5 year plan for the growth of the
program.  This plan saw growth over time up to 100 students.

Unfortunately, we have been told by Rob Hughes that our numbers this year are
limited to 80 students.  Coach Schnall has ind icated that he sees this as
breaking out to 2 eight boats (20 students) divided equally among novice
boys, novice girls, varsity boys, varsity girls.

Let's talk about the girls.  An 30% attrition rate has been mentioned for
first -> second year rowers.  We have only had one year to base that on, so
I question whether that is statistically significant, but for the sake of
argument we will use it.  Last year there were 22 novice girls.  A 30%
attrition would mean that 15 of them will want to move up.  Of our last year
varsity girls, I believe that 14 are definitely continuing.  Plus I have
heard rumors of two older lacrosse girls planning to switch to crew.  So we
in all probability will have 30 girls trying for 20 spots.  These are not
girls who are tr ying on a whim.  They have all devoted a tremendous amount
of their time to rowing last spring, plus most have done summer/fall or both
rowing seasons, plus most are doing winter training.  Winter training is a
huge time commitment that precludes all other extra activities, like trying
out for a school play, science Olympiad, etc.  Plus, doing winter training
is not even being on a team.  It is taking a huge gamble of precious time
and money that you will make a team.  What is it going to be like for the 10
dedicated girls who are told they cannot participate on their team?  I would
think devastating might describe it.

What about the novices?  Do we have any reason to think the turnout will be
less this year?  One possible answer to the number crunch would be to limit
novices to one boat and allow three varsity boats.  How do you feel about
that?  What would have happened to your child if that had been the case when
they were a novice?  But that would certainly avoid the severe funnel effect
we are going to have this y ear.  With every year that passes, the program
will evolve to having a higher percentage of novices that are freshman.  Our
current plan of 20 novices/20 varsity girls would have the breakout amount
12/11/10 grades to be 6-7 girls per grade, and then 20 freshmen.  This seems
quite unfair.  It could also lead to a weird situation where every other
year, it almost exclusively sophomores being cut.  Would novices even do the team if they thought after all that work their opportunities would be so limited?

I do not think the boys will have the same issue this year due to the
demographic bulge that existed last year with a large number of seniors on
the team.  But it is certainly possible that next year they will be faced
with a similar situation.

What we clearly need is a JV level for crew.  Another possibility for the
girls is to have a lightweight program within the program.  Lightweight is a
l egitimate program for girls crew and they compete in both 4's and 8's at
states, Stotes and Nationals.  During regular season they can compete
against regular varsity boats.  I would go so far as to say that because
this is a legitimate category, not having it puts smaller girls at such a
disadvantage with few varsity spots that it amounts to unfairness toward a
category of the crew population.

How do we compare number-wise with other sports?  I do not want to pick on
football (our school has a wonderful program that we can be proud of), but
the numbers for one sport for one sex are about 100, when you add up
freshman, JV and varsity team members.  Compare that to our allotment of 80
slots for both boys AND girls.

I think it is in our in terest to think of our crew "team" as really six
teams.  It should be novice, JV and varsity boys and the same for girls.
When you think of it as six teams, our numbers are on the low side.  How
many boys and girls are on the six lacrosse teams?

What about costs?  I think that crew cost per pupil is not too high.  I
think $1000 per capita, but we also pay $250 toward the cost.  Compare crew
to ice hockey, where the cost per pupil is over $4,000.  I am not overly
comfortable with the mentality of school parent as consumer, but let's face
reality - you pay the same tax bill as the family whose ice hockey team
member is being covered by the school district for over $4,000.  Which
expense is more legitimate?

Does crew take away from other sports?  The "founders" of the program saw
crew as an opportunity made available to students who were not able to be on
the other sports teams - giving them an opportunity to represent their
school, to earn a varsity letter, and to engage in an activity that has
tremendous benefit to physicial fitness, and the personal growth th at comes
from being a team member.  Are other school sports now "short" students?
Absolutely not.  These are new opportunities.  Are the kids doing crew any
less deserving that other athletes?  I do not think so.

Look at the tremendous success we have had in our short history.  Our
athletes have performed wonderfully.  They work as hard as any group of athletes at the school. They are very competitive and deserving of the opportunity they have had thus far.

We also can point to the power that crew experience has with the college
admissions offices.  Last year we had seven students recruited into colleges
- no other sport at FM can come close to that!  And the quality of the
schools was outstanding.< /DIV>

What are the constraints on growing the program?  First and foremost, there is the
amount of money budgeted, as well as the number of buses available, equipment,
dockage a nd coaches.

Let's talk about buses.  We have two time slots for daily practice, an
early and late slot.  It is probably true that there is only one bus
available to us for the early timeslot, which is certainly limiting.  But
for the later time slot, there should be lots of buses available, buses that
are done with elementary and late bus runs.  Why not run two buses out for
the second practice time?

Money - it is up to us to advocate for a budget that will accomodate more
students.  But there are ways to get creative and ways to cut certain costs.
Liverpool and Baldwinsville do same-day travel to places like Buffalo and
Saratoga - that gives a big savings on not paying the bus driver the extra
day and savings on hotels.  Maybe we can decide to go that route to allow
for more kids.

Equipment, dock space, coaches - these are real issues, but if we approach
things creatively and with a passion and committment, we can make things
happen.  The old saw "Where there is a will, there is a way" has been
demonstrated many times by us crew parents.

How many times in our very short history have we turned "No, that is not
possible" into "look what we have been able to do"?

To wrap it up, it is time for YOU to become an strong advocate for this
program.  It is time for YOU to come to the next Crewster meeting, and the
next budget meeting in February.  We may convene a special meeting to come
up with a game plan.  While we cannot get our "conventional" budget for this
season and possibly next increased, we need to advocate for the next year.
We also can come up with creative solutions for this year and avoid a
horrible situation.  We CAN do this if we have the commitment and passion.

I hope that if crew has been a positive experience for your child that you will be willing to help make it happen for oth ers.  I look forward to your involvement in this important initiative,
Ellen



#662 From: "Ellen Oleary" <olearye@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:26 pm
Subject: RE: Spring season - program growth
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Okay, thanks,
Ellen

>>> "Rob Hughes" <RHughes@...> 1/11/2006 3:22:01 PM >>>
Ellen,

I also stand corrected.  After talking with Rich Roy, hockey is in the vicinity of $1000- per kid. 

See you next week.

Rob

________________________________

From: Ellen Oleary [mailto:OLEARYE@...]
Sent: Wed 1/11/2006 2:10 PM
To: Rob Hughes; FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Spring season - program growth


Thanks, Rob.  I stand corrected.

>>> "Rob Hughes" <RHughes@...> 1/11/2006 1:50:24 PM >>>

Ellen,

I appreciate your passion and dedication to crew.  Over time it is possible that the F-M Crew program will grow, and as it grows parents will certainly be involved in the conversation about what the program looks like.

There are, however, a couple of facts I would like to clarify as we move forward in this conversation.  First, the costs per athelete for ice hockey are somewhere in the vicinity of $500- dollars per athelte, not $4000-.  Second, the costs per athlete for crew are in the vicinity of $850- per athlete.  After the co-pay of $250- has been factored in, crew is at the high end of the scale in terms of overall costs per student, for any program we that offer in either the athletic or co-curricular domain.

See you next week.

Rob Hughes


________________________________

From: Ellen Oleary [mailto:OLEARYE@...]
Sent: We d 1/11/2006 10:08 AM
To: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Rob Hughes
Subject: Spring season - program growth


Hi all,

First of all, let me start out by saying that what follows is NOT intended
as a criticism of either Head Coach David Schnall or Rob Hughes, they have
both been very supportive of the program.  They have worked very hard to make many positive things happen with the crew club and are constrained by our budget.

But I really need to raise a red flag about a numbers crunch that we are
about to experience that I do not think we are prepared to deal with. 

After the first year of the program, Crewster officers got together with
school officials and came up with a broad 5 year plan for the growth of the
program.  This plan saw growth over time up to 100 students.

Unfortunately, we have been told by Rob Hughes that our numbers this year are
limited to 80 students.  Coach Schnall has ind icated that he sees this as
breaking out to 2 eight boats (20 students) divided equally among novice
boys, novice girls, varsity boys, varsity girls.

Let's talk about the girls.  An 30% attrition rate has been mentioned for
first -> second year rowers.  We have only had one year to base that on, so
I question whether that is statistically significant, but for the sake of
argument we will use it.  Last year there were 22 novice girls.  A 30%
attrition would mean that 15 of them will want to move up.  Of our last year
varsity girls, I believe that 14 are definitely continuing.  Plus I have
heard rumors of two older lacrosse girls planning to switch to crew.  So we
in all probability will have 30 girls trying for 20 spots.  These are not
girls who are tr ying on a whim.  They have all devoted a tremendous amount
of their time to rowing last spring, plus most have done summer/fall or both
rowing seasons, plus most are doing winter training.  Winter training is a
huge time commitment that precludes all other extra activities, like trying
out for a school play, science Olympiad, etc.  Plus, doing winter training
is not even being on a team.  It is taking a huge gamble of precious time
and money that you will make a team.  What is it going to be like for the 10
dedicated girls who are told they cannot participate on their team?  I would
think devastating might describe it.

What about the novices?  Do we have any reason to think the turnout will be
less this year?  One possible answer to the number crunch would be to limit
novices to one boat and allow three varsity boats.  How do you feel about
that?  What would have happened to your child if that had been the case when
they were a novice?  But that would certainly avoid the severe funnel effect
we are going to have this y ear.  With every year that passes, the program
will evolve to having a higher percentage of novices that are freshman.  Our
current plan of 20 novices/20 varsity girls would have the breakout amount
12/11/10 grades to be 6-7 girls per grade, and then 20 freshmen.  This seems
quite unfair.  It could also lead to a weird situation where every other
year, it almost exclusively sophomores being cut.  Would novices even do the team if they thought after all that work their opportunities would be so limited?

I do not think the boys will have the same issue this year due to the
demographic bulge that existed last year with a large number of seniors on
the team.  But it is certainly possible that next year they will be faced
with a similar situation.

What we clearly need is a JV level for crew.  Another possibility for the
girls is to have a lightweight program within the program.  Lightweight is a
l egitimate program for girls crew and they compete in both 4's and 8's at
states, Stotes and Nationals.  During regular season they can compete
against regular varsity boats.  I would go so far as to say that because
this is a legitimate category, not having it puts smaller girls at such a
disadvantage with few varsity spots that it amounts to unfairness toward a
category of the crew population.

How do we compare number-wise with other sports?  I do not want to pick on
football (our school has a wonderful program that we can be proud of), but
the numbers for one sport for one sex are about 100, when you add up
freshman, JV and varsity team members.  Compare that to our allotment of 80
slots for both boys AND girls.

I think it is in our in terest to think of our crew "team" as really six
teams.  It should be novice, JV and varsity boys and the same for girls.
When you think of it as six teams, our numbers are on the low side.  How
many boys and girls are on the six lacrosse teams?

What about costs?  I think that crew cost per pupil is not too high.  I
think $1000 per capita, but we also pay $250 toward the cost.  Compare crew
to ice hockey, where the cost per pupil is over $4,000.  I am not overly
comfortable with the mentality of school parent as consumer, but let's face
reality - you pay the same tax bill as the family whose ice hockey team
member is being covered by the school district for over $4,000.  Which
expense is more legitimate?

Does crew take away from other sports?  The "founders" of the program saw
crew as an opportunity made available to students who were not able to be on
the other sports teams - giving them an opportunity to represent their
school, to earn a varsity letter, and to engage in an activity that has
tremendous benefit to physicial fitness, and the personal growth th at comes
from being a team member.  Are other school sports now "short" students?
Absolutely not.  These are new opportunities.  Are the kids doing crew any
less deserving that other athletes?  I do not think so.

Look at the tremendous success we have had in our short history.  Our
athletes have performed wonderfully.  They work as hard as any group of athletes at the school. They are very competitive and deserving of the opportunity they have had thus far.

We also can point to the power that crew experience has with the college
admissions offices.  Last year we had seven students recruited into colleges
- no other sport at FM can come close to that!  And the quality of the
schools was outstanding.< /DIV>

What are the constraints on growing the program?  First and foremost, there is the
amount of money budgeted, as well as the number of buses available, equipment,
dockage a nd coaches.

Let's talk about buses.  We have two time slots for daily practice, an
early and late slot.  It is probably true that there is only one bus
available to us for the early timeslot, which is certainly limiting.  But
for the later time slot, there should be lots of buses available, buses that
are done with elementary and late bus runs.  Why not run two buses out for
the second practice time?

Money - it is up to us to advocate for a budget that will accomodate more
students.  But there are ways to get creative and ways to cut certain costs.
Liverpool and Baldwinsville do same-day travel to places like Buffalo and
Saratoga - that gives a big savings on not paying the bus driver the extra
day and savings on hotels.  Maybe we can decide to go that route to allow
for more kids.

Equipment, dock space, coaches - these are real issues, but if we approach
things creatively and with a passion and committment, we can make things
happen.  The old saw "Where there is a will, there is a way" has been
demonstrated many times by us crew parents.

How many times in our very short history have we turned "No, that is not
possible" into "look what we have been able to do"?

To wrap it up, it is time for YOU to become an strong advocate for this
program.  It is time for YOU to come to the next Crewster meeting, and the
next budget meeting in February.  We may convene a special meeting to come
up with a game plan.  While we cannot get our "conventional" budget for this
season and possibly next increased, we need to advocate for the next year.
We also can come up with creative solutions for this year and avoid a
horrible situation.  We CAN do this if we have the commitment and passion.

I hope that if crew has been a positive experience for your child that you will be willing to help make it happen for oth ers.  I look forward to your involvement in this important initiative,
Ellen



#661 From: "Ellen Oleary" <olearye@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:10 pm
Subject: RE: Spring season - program growth
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Thanks, Rob.  I stand corrected.

>>> "Rob Hughes" <RHughes@...> 1/11/2006 1:50:24 PM >>>
Ellen,

I appreciate your passion and dedication to crew.  Over time it is possible that the F-M Crew program will grow, and as it grows parents will certainly be involved in the conversation about what the program looks like.

There are, however, a couple of facts I would like to clarify as we move forward in this conversation.  First, the costs per athelete for ice hockey are somewhere in the vicinity of $500- dollars per athelte, not $4000-.  Second, the costs per athlete for crew are in the vicinity of $850- per athlete.  After the co-pay of $250- has been factored in, crew is at the high end of the scale in terms of overall costs per student, for any program we that offer in either the athletic or co-curricular domain.

See you next week.

Rob Hughes


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From: Ellen Oleary [mailto:OLEARYE@...]
Sent: Wed 1/11/2006 10:08 AM
To: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Rob Hughes
Subject: Spring season - program growth


Hi all,

First of all, let me start out by saying that what follows is NOT intended
as a criticism of either Head Coach David Schnall or Rob Hughes, they have
both been very supportive of the program.  They have worked very hard to make many positive things happen with the crew club and are constrained by our budget.

But I really need to raise a red flag about a numbers crunch that we are
about to experience that I do not think we are prepared to deal with. 

After the first year of the program, Crewster officers got together with
school officials and came up with a broad 5 year plan for the growth of the
program.  This plan saw growth over time up to 100 students.

Unfortunately, we have been told by Rob Hughes that our numbers this year are
limited to 80 students.  Coach Schnall has indicated that he sees this as
breaking out to 2 eight boats (20 students) divided equally among novice
boys, novice girls, varsity boys, varsity girls.

Let's talk about the girls.  An 30% attrition rate has been mentioned for
first -> second year rowers.  We have only had one year to base that on, so
I question whether that is statistically significant, but for the sake of
argument we will use it.  Last year there were 22 novice girls.  A 30%
attrition would mean that 15 of them will want to move up.  Of our last year
varsity girls, I believe that 14 are definitely continuing.  Plus I have
heard rumors of two older lacrosse girls planning to switch to crew.  So we
in all probability will have 30 girls trying for 20 spots.  These are not
girls who are tr ying on a whim.  They have all devoted a tremendous amount
of their time to rowing last spring, plus most have done summer/fall or both
rowing seasons, plus most are doing winter training.  Winter training is a
huge time commitment that precludes all other extra activities, like trying
out for a school play, science Olympiad, etc.  Plus, doing winter training
is not even being on a team.  It is taking a huge gamble of precious time
and money that you will make a team.  What is it going to be like for the 10
dedicated girls who are told they cannot participate on their team?  I would
think devastating might describe it.

What about the novices?  Do we have any reason to think the turnout will be
less this year?  One possible answer to the number crunch would be to limit
novices to one boat and allow three varsity boats.  How do you feel about
that?  What would have happened to your child if that had been the case when
they were a novice?  But that would certainly avoid the severe funnel effect
we are going to have this year.  With every year that passes, the program
will evolve to having a higher percentage of novices that are freshman.  Our
current plan of 20 novices/20 varsity girls would have the breakout amount
12/11/10 grades to be 6-7 girls per grade, and then 20 freshmen.  This seems
quite unfair.  It could also lead to a weird situation where every other
year, it almost exclusively sophomores being cut.  Would novices even do the team if they thought after all that work their opportunities would be so limited?

I do not think the boys will have the same issue this year due to the
demographic bulge that existed last year with a large number of seniors on
the team.  But it is certainly possible that next year they will be faced
with a similar situation.

What we clearly need is a JV level for crew.  Another possibility for the
girls is to have a lightweight program within the program.  Lightweight is a
legitimate program for girls crew and they compete in both 4's and 8's at
states, Stotes and Nationals.  During regular season they can compete
against regular varsity boats.  I would go so far as to say that because
this is a legitimate category, not having it puts smaller girls at such a
disadvantage with few varsity spots that it amounts to unfairness toward a
category of the crew population.

How do we compare number-wise with other sports?  I do not want to pick on
football (our school has a wonderful program that we can be proud of), but
the numbers for one sport for one sex are about 100, when you add up
freshman, JV and varsity team members.  Compare that to our allotment of 80
slots for both boys AND girls.

I think it is in our in terest to think of our crew "team" as really six
teams.  It should be novice, JV and varsity boys and the same for girls.
When you think of it as six teams, our numbers are on the low side.  How
many boys and girls are on the six lacrosse teams?

What about costs?  I think that crew cost per pupil is not too high.  I
think $1000 per capita, but we also pay $250 toward the cost.  Compare crew
to ice hockey, where the cost per pupil is over $4,000.  I am not overly
comfortable with the mentality of school parent as consumer, but let's face
reality - you pay the same tax bill as the family whose ice hockey team
member is being covered by the school district for over $4,000.  Which
expense is more legitimate?

Does crew take away from other sports?  The "founders" of the program saw
crew as an opportunity made available to students who were not able to be on
the other sports teams - giving them an opportunity to represent their
school, to earn a varsity letter, and to engage in an activity that has
tremendous benefit to physicial fitness, and the personal growth that comes
from being a team member.  Are other school sports now "short" students?
Absolutely not.  These are new opportunities.  Are the kids doing crew any
less deserving that other athletes?  I do not think so.

Look at the tremendous success we have had in our short history.  Our
athletes have performed wonderfully.  They work as hard as any group of athletes at the school. They are very competitive and deserving of the opportunity they have had thus far.

We also can point to the power that crew experience has with the college
admissions offices.  Last year we had seven students recruited into colleges
- no other sport at FM can come close to that!  And the quality of the
schools was outstanding.< /DIV>

What are the constraints on growing the program?  First and foremost, there is the
amount of money budgeted, as well as the number of buses available, equipment,
dockage and coaches.

Let's talk about buses.  We have two time slots for daily practice, an
early and late slot.  It is probably true that there is only one bus
available to us for the early timeslot, which is certainly limiting.  But
for the later time slot, there should be lots of buses available, buses that
are done with elementary and late bus runs.  Why not run two buses out for
the second practice time?

Money - it is up to us to advocate for a budget that will accomodate more
students.  But there are ways to get creative and ways to cut certain costs.
Liverpool and Baldwinsville do same-day travel to places like Buffalo and
Saratoga - that gives a big savings on not paying the bus driver the extra
day and savings on hotels.  Maybe we can decide to go that route to allow
for more kids.

Equipment, dock space, coaches - these are real issues, but if we approach
things creatively and with a passion and committment, we can make things
happen.  The old saw "Where there is a will, there is a way" has been
demonstrated many times by us crew parents.

How many times in our very short history have we turned "No, that is not
possible" into "look what we have been able to do"?

To wrap it up, it is time for YOU to become an strong advocate for this
program.  It is time for YOU to come to the next Crewster meeting, and the
next budget meeting in February.  We may convene a special meeting to come
up with a game plan.  While we cannot get our "conventional" budget for this
season and possibly next increased, we need to advocate for the next year.
We also can come up with creative solutions for this year and avoid a
horrible situation.  We CAN do this if we have the commitment and passion.

I hope that if crew has been a positive experience for your child that you will be willing to help make it happen for others.  I look forward to your involvement in this important initiative,
Ellen


#660 From: "eastside dental specialists" <edental@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: Spring season - program growth
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Thanks Ellen for your memo.  It does concern me that something as patently obvious to us, is completely misunderstood by the administration.  Simply put, the system in place is bad, will not work, and needs adjustment.  Because we do not have a JV team, the team will forever be faced with the situation of having rower's in 10th and 11th grade with nowhere to row.  If the plan is to bring in 20 new rower's a year, sheer numbers illustrate that the current situation will present a log-jam every other year.  Lets face it, unlike most of the other competitive sports at FM, Rowing is a life-sport.  One simply has to attend a regatta to realize the number of 60, 70, and 80 year olds rowing in the event.  I cannot seem to remember the last time I attended a lacrosse game with "old" people playing.  So, I agree that the attrition rate is unrealistic.  Since many of our kids have been cut from other teams, and are using rowing as a refuge, it is unlikely that they will quit.  I do think that winter training is a good gauge for attrition.  If they don't quit then, they aren't going to quit.  Our coaches should know better on this issue.  Hell, they are still competing, and more than proud of the fact that they do!!!
 
Regarding the issue of rowing taking away from other sports, my opinion is that this statement should not have been made.  If other sports have a difficult time retaining participants, it is their problem, not ours.  Perhaps the other teams should look at the systems they have in place if, in fact, this really is an issue. I, personally, do not think that it is an issue.
 
My final concern is that despite our good intentions to develop a program that is open to all, it is clear that our coaches primary intentions are to win as many titles as possible. Unfortunately, this is the nature of the beast.  The whole concept is to compete.  Teams that don't win will ultimately lose the support of the school.  Coaches must dance a fine line so that they do not lose their job.  Thus, it is a delicate balance. 
 
I guess my hope is that other parents, participants, and supporters of the FM Rowing Team become more enlightened by your e-mail because it truly is a problem that the school does not completely understand.  It is very easy to sit down and crunch numbers.  However, if you do not understand the the demographics and the item that the numbers represent, numbers crunching is useless. 
 
I sure hope this thing gets worked out before the "sacrificial lambs" in limbo this year don't go to slaughter. Rich Konys
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wed., Jan. 11, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: [FMHS_Crew] Spring season - program growth

Hi all,
 
First of all, let me start out by saying that what follows is NOT intended
as a criticism of either Head Coach David Schnall or Rob Hughes, they have
both been very supportive of the program.  They have worked very hard to make many positive things happen with the crew club and are constrained by our budget.
 
But I really need to raise a red flag about a numbers crunch that we are
about to experience that I do not think we are prepared to deal with. 
 
After the first year of the program, Crewster officers got together with
school officials and came up with a broad 5 year plan for the growth of the
program.  This plan saw growth over time up to 100 students.
 
Unfortunately, we have been told by Rob Hughes that our numbers this year are
limited to 80 students.  Coach Schnall has indicated that he sees this as
breaking out to 2 eight boats (20 students) divided equally among novice
boys, novice girls, varsity boys, varsity girls.
 
Let's talk about the girls.  An 30% attrition rate has been mentioned for
first -> second year rowers.  We have only had one year to base that on, so
I question whether that is statistically significant, but for the sake of
argument we will use it.  Last year there were 22 novice girls.  A 30%
attrition would mean that 15 of them will want to move up.  Of our last year
varsity girls, I believe that 14 are definitely continuing.  Plus I have
heard rumors of two older lacrosse girls planning to switch to crew.  So we
in all probability will have 30 girls trying for 20 spots.  These are not
girls who are t! rying on a whim.  They have all devoted a tremendous amount
of their time to rowing last spring, plus most have done summer/fall or both
rowing seasons, plus most are doing winter training.  Winter training is a
huge time commitment that precludes all other extra activities, like trying
out for a school play, science Olympiad, etc.  Plus, doing winter training
is not even being on a team.  It is taking a huge gamble of precious time
and money that you will make a team.  What is it going to be like for the 10
dedicated girls who are told they cannot participate on their team?  I would
think devastating might describe it.
 
What about the novices?  Do we have any reason to think the turnout will be
less this year?  One possible answer to the number crunch would be to limit
novices to one boat and allow three varsity boats.  How do you feel about
that?  What would have happened to you! r child if that had been the case when
they were a novice?  Bu t that would certainly avoid the severe funnel effect
we are going to have this year.  With every year that passes, the program
will evolve to having a higher percentage of novices that are freshman.  Our
current plan of 20 novices/20 varsity girls would have the breakout amount
12/11/10 grades to be 6-7 girls per grade, and then 20 freshmen.  This seems
quite unfair.  It could also lead to a weird situation where every other
year, it almost exclusively sophomores being cut.  Would novices even do the team if they thought after all that work their opportunities would be so limited?
 
I do not think the boys will have the same issue this year due to the
demographic bulge that existed last year with a large number of seniors on
the team.  But it is certainly possible that next year they will be faced
with a similar situation.
 
What we clearly need is a JV level for crew.  Another possibil! ity for the
girls is to have a lightweight program within the program.  Lightweight is a
legitimate program for girls crew and they compete in both 4's and 8's at
states, Stotes and Nationals.  During regular season they can compete
against regular varsity boats.  I would go so far as to say that because
this is a legitimate category, not having it puts smaller girls at such a
disadvantage with few varsity spots that it amounts to unfairness toward a
category of the crew population.
 
How do we compare number-wise with other sports?  I do not want to pick on
football (our school has a wonderful program that we can be proud of), but
the numbers for one sport for one sex are about 100, when you add up
freshman, JV and varsity team members.  Compare that to our allotment of 80
slots for both boys AND girls.
 
I think it is in our interest to think of our crew "team" as really six
teams.  It! should be novice, JV and varsity boys and the same for girls.
Whe n you think of it as six teams, our numbers are on the low side.  How
many boys and girls are on the six lacrosse teams?
 
What about costs?  I think that crew cost per pupil is not too high.  I
think $1000 per capita, but we also pay $250 toward the cost.  Compare crew
to ice hockey, where the cost per pupil is over $4,000.  I am not overly
comfortable with the mentality of school parent as consumer, but let's face
reality - you pay the same tax bill as the family whose ice hockey team
member is being covered by the school district for over $4,000.  Which
expense is more legitimate?
 
Does crew take away from other sports?  The "founders" of the program saw
crew as an opportunity made available to students who were not able to be on
the other sports teams - giving them an opportunity to represent their
school, to earn a varsity letter, and to engage in an activity that has
tremendous b! enefit to physicial fitness, and the personal growth that comes
from being a team member.  Are other school sports now "short" students?
Absolutely not.  These are new opportunities.  Are the kids doing crew any
less deserving that other athletes?  I do not think so.
 
Look at the tremendous success we have had in our short history.  Our
athletes have performed wonderfully.  They work as hard as any group of athletes at the school. They are very competitive and deserving of the opportunity they have had thus far.
 
We also can point to the power that crew experience has with the college
admissions offices.  Last year we had seven students recruited into colleges
- no other sport at FM can come close to that!  And the quality of the
schools was outstanding.

What are the constraints on growing the program?  First and foremost, there is the
amount of money budgeted, as well as the number of buses available, equipment,
dockage and coaches.
 
Let's talk about buses.  We have two time slots for daily practice, an
early and late slot.  It is probably true that there is only one bus
available to us for the early timeslot, which is certainly limiting.  But
for the later time slot, there should be lots of buses available, buses that
are done with elementary and late bus runs.  Why not run two buses out for
the second practice time?
 
Money - it is up to us to advocate for a budget that will accomodate more
students.  But there are ways to get creative and ways to cut certain costs.
 Liverpool and Baldwinsville do same-day travel to places like Buffalo and
Saratoga - that gives a big savings on not paying the bus driver the extraday and savings on hotels.  Maybe we can decide to go that route to allow
for more kids.
 
Equipment, dock space, coaches - these are real issues, but if we approach
things creatively and with a passion and committment, we can make things
happen.  The old saw "Where there is a will, there is a way" has been
demonstrated many times by us crew parents.
 
How many times in our very short history have we turned "No, that is not
possible" into "look what we have been able to do"?
 
To wrap it up, it is time for YOU to become an strong advocate for this
program.  It is time for YOU to come to the next Crewster meeting, and the
next budget meeting in February.  We may convene a special meeting to come
up with a game plan.  While we cannot get our "conventional" budget for this
season and possibly next increased, we need to advocate for the next year.
We also can come up with creative solutio! ns for this year and avoid a
horrible situation.  We CAN do th is if we have the commitment and passion.
 
I hope that if crew has been a positive experience for your child that you will be willing to help make it happen for others.  I look forward to your involvement in this important initiative,
Ellen

#659 From: "Ellen Oleary" <olearye@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:08 pm
Subject: Spring season - program growth
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Hi all,
 
First of all, let me start out by saying that what follows is NOT intended
as a criticism of either Head Coach David Schnall or Rob Hughes, they have
both been very supportive of the program.  They have worked very hard to make many positive things happen with the crew club and are constrained by our budget.
 
But I really need to raise a red flag about a numbers crunch that we are
about to experience that I do not think we are prepared to deal with. 
 
After the first year of the program, Crewster officers got together with
school officials and came up with a broad 5 year plan for the growth of the
program.  This plan saw growth over time up to 100 students.
 
Unfortunately, we have been told by Rob Hughes that our numbers this year are
limited to 80 students.  Coach Schnall has indicated that he sees this as
breaking out to 2 eight boats (20 students) divided equally among novice
boys, novice girls, varsity boys, varsity girls.
 
Let's talk about the girls.  An 30% attrition rate has been mentioned for
first -> second year rowers.  We have only had one year to base that on, so
I question whether that is statistically significant, but for the sake of
argument we will use it.  Last year there were 22 novice girls.  A 30%
attrition would mean that 15 of them will want to move up.  Of our last year
varsity girls, I believe that 14 are definitely continuing.  Plus I have
heard rumors of two older lacrosse girls planning to switch to crew.  So we
in all probability will have 30 girls trying for 20 spots.  These are not
girls who are trying on a whim.  They have all devoted a tremendous amount
of their time to rowing last spring, plus most have done summer/fall or both
rowing seasons, plus most are doing winter training.  Winter training is a
huge time commitment that precludes all other extra activities, like trying
out for a school play, science Olympiad, etc.  Plus, doing winter training
is not even being on a team.  It is taking a huge gamble of precious time
and money that you will make a team.  What is it going to be like for the 10
dedicated girls who are told they cannot participate on their team?  I would
think devastating might describe it.
 
What about the novices?  Do we have any reason to think the turnout will be
less this year?  One possible answer to the number crunch would be to limit
novices to one boat and allow three varsity boats.  How do you feel about
that?  What would have happened to your child if that had been the case when
they were a novice?  But that would certainly avoid the severe funnel effect
we are going to have this year.  With every year that passes, the program
will evolve to having a higher percentage of novices that are freshman.  Our
current plan of 20 novices/20 varsity girls would have the breakout amount
12/11/10 grades to be 6-7 girls per grade, and then 20 freshmen.  This seems
quite unfair.  It could also lead to a weird situation where every other
year, it almost exclusively sophomores being cut.  Would novices even do the team if they thought after all that work their opportunities would be so limited?
 
I do not think the boys will have the same issue this year due to the
demographic bulge that existed last year with a large number of seniors on
the team.  But it is certainly possible that next year they will be faced
with a similar situation.
 
What we clearly need is a JV level for crew.  Another possibility for the
girls is to have a lightweight program within the program.  Lightweight is a
legitimate program for girls crew and they compete in both 4's and 8's at
states, Stotes and Nationals.  During regular season they can compete
against regular varsity boats.  I would go so far as to say that because
this is a legitimate category, not having it puts smaller girls at such a
disadvantage with few varsity spots that it amounts to unfairness toward a
category of the crew population.
 
How do we compare number-wise with other sports?  I do not want to pick on
football (our school has a wonderful program that we can be proud of), but
the numbers for one sport for one sex are about 100, when you add up
freshman, JV and varsity team members.  Compare that to our allotment of 80
slots for both boys AND girls.
 
I think it is in our interest to think of our crew "team" as really six
teams.  It should be novice, JV and varsity boys and the same for girls.
When you think of it as six teams, our numbers are on the low side.  How
many boys and girls are on the six lacrosse teams?
 
What about costs?  I think that crew cost per pupil is not too high.  I
think $1000 per capita, but we also pay $250 toward the cost.  Compare crew
to ice hockey, where the cost per pupil is over $4,000.  I am not overly
comfortable with the mentality of school parent as consumer, but let's face
reality - you pay the same tax bill as the family whose ice hockey team
member is being covered by the school district for over $4,000.  Which
expense is more legitimate?
 
Does crew take away from other sports?  The "founders" of the program saw
crew as an opportunity made available to students who were not able to be on
the other sports teams - giving them an opportunity to represent their
school, to earn a varsity letter, and to engage in an activity that has
tremendous benefit to physicial fitness, and the personal growth that comes
from being a team member.  Are other school sports now "short" students?
Absolutely not.  These are new opportunities.  Are the kids doing crew any
less deserving that other athletes?  I do not think so.
 
Look at the tremendous success we have had in our short history.  Our
athletes have performed wonderfully.  They work as hard as any group of athletes at the school. They are very competitive and deserving of the opportunity they have had thus far.
 
We also can point to the power that crew experience has with the college
admissions offices.  Last year we had seven students recruited into colleges
- no other sport at FM can come close to that!  And the quality of the
schools was outstanding.
 
What are the constraints on growing the program?  First and foremost, there is the
amount of money budgeted, as well as the number of buses available, equipment,
dockage and coaches.
 
Let's talk about buses.  We have two time slots for daily practice, an
early and late slot.  It is probably true that there is only one bus
available to us for the early timeslot, which is certainly limiting.  But
for the later time slot, there should be lots of buses available, buses that
are done with elementary and late bus runs.  Why not run two buses out for
the second practice time?
 
Money - it is up to us to advocate for a budget that will accomodate more
students.  But there are ways to get creative and ways to cut certain costs.
 Liverpool and Baldwinsville do same-day travel to places like Buffalo and
Saratoga - that gives a big savings on not paying the bus driver the extra
day and savings on hotels.  Maybe we can decide to go that route to allow
for more kids.
 
Equipment, dock space, coaches - these are real issues, but if we approach
things creatively and with a passion and committment, we can make things
happen.  The old saw "Where there is a will, there is a way" has been
demonstrated many times by us crew parents.
 
How many times in our very short history have we turned "No, that is not
possible" into "look what we have been able to do"?
 
To wrap it up, it is time for YOU to become an strong advocate for this
program.  It is time for YOU to come to the next Crewster meeting, and the
next budget meeting in February.  We may convene a special meeting to come
up with a game plan.  While we cannot get our "conventional" budget for this
season and possibly next increased, we need to advocate for the next year.
We also can come up with creative solutions for this year and avoid a
horrible situation.  We CAN do this if we have the commitment and passion.
 
I hope that if crew has been a positive experience for your child that you will be willing to help make it happen for others.  I look forward to your involvement in this important initiative,
Ellen

#658 From: "Robert P. O'Leary- OlearyLawOffices.com" <rpoleary@...>
Date: Sat Jan 7, 2006 6:47 pm
Subject: Crewster Meeting Postphoned until Jan 19th & Refund for Winter Training
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Dear Fellow Crewsters & Friends:
 
Two (2) quick items:
 
1.  The next Crewsters meeting will be held on Thursday, January 19th @ 7 p.m. in the High School Library.
 
You may have received a notice that the next Crewster meeting will be held this Thursday (January 12th) however some individuals have conflicts with meeting on the second Thursday of each month so the Crewsters will attempt  to accommodate that conflict.  Again,  the next Crewsters meeting will be held on Thursday January the 19th.  Please attempt to attend.
 
[ We still need a Chairperson to collect clothing orders.  Any volunteers?]
 
_____
 
 
2.   When the winter training program costs were communicated last month they were calculated to be $185 for all varsity rowers and $120 for all Novice rowers.
 
By prior e-mail I informed you that the F- M School District had reconsidered its prior position that the students participating in the winter training would be required to pay a fee of approximately $3,200 to use the a room at F- M High School to  train.  In that e-mail I told you that Dr. Kaiser had called to inform me that room usage fee would be reduced to a flat $5 per student that participates in the winter training.  
 
Thanks to the reduction in the room usage fee, F- M Coach Dave Schnall has been able to whittle the overall cost down to $110 for all varsity rowers and $60 for the Novice rowers that participate in the winter training.
 
Pending a resolution of the issue of room usage fee the Coaches held off cashing the checks rowers had previously given  to them and as a result the Coaches have not yet been paid. 
 
You are requested to give you son or daughter a new check for the reduced amount ($110 or $60) when they go to winter training this week and in return the Coach will in hand give your child the uncashed larger amount check that you previously gave them to square away payment.
 
Please cooperate.  The coaches working during winter training are more or less volunteers sacrificing their time for remuneration that amounts to not much more than gas money.  They should not be expected to have to chase down parents to give the parent a refund. 
 
If you have any questions or suggestions then please contact me,
 
Thank you for you continued assistance and cooperation.
 
Bob O'Leary
 
 
p.s.  Did I mention that we still need a volunteer  to oversee the clothing orders?
 
 
 
 
 
 

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#656 From: kkwrlt@...
Date: Tue Jan 3, 2006 3:10 am
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Dear Crewsters,
   Just reminding everyone that the silent auction is almost upon us.
(Friday January 20th) Please let me know if you need help picking up
your item or need to drop it off before the 20th. Donation forms should
be on their way to everyone by mail this week. There is still plenty of
time to solicit more donations or make up a gift basket.

   Also two questions- Will be there be a refund for some of the indoor
training money coming? I thought the school district was giving back
some of the money or decreasing the amount it was charging the
athletes? And- when is indoor training for the novices (girls) being
held? Who do I contact for information? And what is the fee for that?

   Happy New Year!! Kelly

#655 From: "Margaret Jureller" <mfj@...>
Date: Mon Dec 26, 2005 8:16 pm
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Kelly: I will be able to get a donation from Dimon Construction in
Fayetteville for the silent auction.  I'll let you know what it is as soon
as I find out.  David Jureller
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: KKWRLT
  To: KKWRLT
  Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:59:38 -0500
  Subject:

  Dear Crewsters,
   It is that time of year again to think about the FM all sports Booster
silent auction. This was a big fund raiser for the Crewsters last year
and we would like it to be the same or better this year and we really
need to get started now. What I am asking (begging) each of you to do
is to check the links below and see if you could sign up to solicit two
of the following businesses for donations for the auction. I am willing
to collect things if need be and help out in anyway. If you could just
respond to this e-mail with the names of the businesses you will call
or stop at I will keep a running tally(online) so no place gets hit up
more than once. I know this is a really busy time for everyone but if
we all do our share it will make the job much easier. Contact names and
phone numbers are included on one of the sites. Or if you know you are
going to be shopping somewhere for Christmas? I would like to have a
meeting at my house on Thursday December 1st for anyone willing to help
out with the logistics and to see where we are with donations. I am at
4889 Tanglewood lane, Manlius. Let me know if you are planning to
attend. Thanks!!! Kelly Ward

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#654 From: "Marianne Hagues" <marhagues@...>
Date: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:40 pm
Subject: RE: silent auction goods
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Kelly,
 
Nice chatting with you in Wegmans.  My address is 4521 Winding Creek Road, Manlius, NY 13104.  I'm looking for something on letterhead and the tax exempt certificate.
 
Thanks again and Happy Holidays.
 
Marianne Hagues
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Subject: Re: [FMHS_Crew] silent auction goods

Kathleen,
Sorry!  I can take the donations anytime.  If you would like to drop
them off before Christmas or after- maybe vacation week would be good. 
Just let me know and I will give you directions.  I also have a form
that you can give to the businesses if you need it.  Thanks!  Kelly

-----Original Message-----
From: crew4it <gowns@...>
To: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:52:49 -0000
Subject: [FMHS_Crew] silent auction goods

   Kelly- left message on your home machine - haven't head from you.
We have donations being held from Hess, Glee, Pietras Bridal and
Matilda Gage. When /where do you need them ? thanks!
Kathleen
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#653 From: "David Cusano" <djcusano@...>
Date: Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:15 pm
Subject: RE: Thanks to Dr. Kaiser and School Board Members
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Don't forget Coach Higgins, coaching the new novices!

David J. Cusano
Men's Varsity Coach
Fayetteville-Manlius H.S. Crew
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><FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com>,<dschneckenburger@...>,<jmitche6\
@twcny.rr.com>,<munayash1@...>,<rhughes@...>,"aaron
>lachant" <alachanter@...>,"David & Julie Cusano"
><djcusano@...>
>Subject: Thanks to Dr. Kaiser and School Board Members
>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:30:56 -0500
>
>
>
>
>       The Fayetteville- Manlius Crewsters, Inc.
>104 Pleasant Street
>Manlius, New York 13104
>(315) 682-9131
>rpoleary@...
>
>
>Dear Fellow Crewsters and Friends:
>
>Seasons Greetings.
>
>I am pleased to advise you that F- M School District Superintendent Dr.
>Corlis Kaiser called today to advise me that the fee that was to be paid by
>each student to the District for use of High School facilities for winter
>training has been substantially reduced.
>
>The charge formerly set by the District was to be approximately $3,200
>which would have been divided among the participating students.  The charge
>per student would have been something like $100 per student.
>
>After relevant factors were brought to the attention of Dr. Kaiser and
>School Board members the fee for winter training to be paid to the District
>will be $5 per student.  The $5 charge is in line with what the School
>district charges other F- M High School sports teams to utilize the
>District facilities.
>
>Thank you to Dr. Kaiser and School Board members Sue Ryan, Mike Masse, &
>Elena Romano who supported the request to reduce the usage assessment.
>When I spoke to each of the aforementioned individuals to lobby for the
>reduction I came away with a belief that each sees Crew at F- M as a
>positive and established activity.   If you cross paths with any of the
>School Board members please thank them for their continuing support of the
>Crew program.
>
>Thank you also to Coaches Cusano and Laschant for taking the time out of
>their busy schedules to supervise and coach the crew kids during the winter
>months.  Thanks also Rob Hughes and Dave Schnall for their hands in making
>the High School based training program a reality.  I have no doubt that the
>training at the High School is the single biggest reason for the increased
>number of winter training participants.
>
>Thank you for your continued assistance and support.
>
>Bob O'Leary
>
>
>p.s.  Please contact me if you are willing to serve as chairperson of the
>clothes ordering committee.
>
>
>
>

#652 From: "Robert P. O'Leary- OlearyLawOffices.com" <rpoleary@...>
Date: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:30 pm
Subject: Thanks to Dr. Kaiser and School Board Members
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      The Fayetteville- Manlius Crewsters, Inc.
104 Pleasant Street
Manlius, New York 13104
(315) 682-9131
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Dear Fellow Crewsters and Friends:
 
Seasons Greetings.
 
I am pleased to advise you that F- M School District Superintendent Dr. Corlis Kaiser called today to advise me that the fee that was to be paid by each student to the District for use of High School facilities for winter training has been substantially reduced. 
 
The charge formerly set by the District was to be approximately $3,200 which would have been divided among the participating students.  The charge per student would have been something like $100 per student.
 
After relevant factors were brought to the attention of Dr. Kaiser and School Board members the fee for winter training to be paid to the District will be $5 per student.  The $5 charge is in line with what the School district charges other F- M High School sports teams to utilize the District facilities. 
 
Thank you to Dr. Kaiser and School Board members Sue Ryan, Mike Masse, & Elena Romano who supported the request to reduce the usage assessment.  When I spoke to each of the aforementioned individuals to lobby for the reduction I came away with a belief that each sees Crew at F- M as a positive and established activity.   If you cross paths with any of the School Board members please thank them for their continuing support of the Crew program.
 
Thank you also to Coaches Cusano and Laschant for taking the time out of their busy schedules to supervise and coach the crew kids during the winter months.  Thanks also Rob Hughes and Dave Schnall for their hands in making the High School based training program a reality.  I have no doubt that the training at the High School is the single biggest reason for the increased number of winter training participants.
 
Thank you for your continued assistance and support.
 
Bob O'Leary
 
 
p.s.  Please contact me if you are willing to serve as chairperson of the clothes ordering committee.
 
 
 
 
 

#651 From: kkwrlt@...
Date: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:44 am
Subject: Re: silent auction goods
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Kathleen,
Sorry!  I can take the donations anytime.  If you would like to drop
them off before Christmas or after- maybe vacation week would be good.
Just let me know and I will give you directions.  I also have a form
that you can give to the businesses if you need it.  Thanks!  Kelly

-----Original Message-----
From: crew4it <gowns@...>
To: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:52:49 -0000
Subject: [FMHS_Crew] silent auction goods

    Kelly- left message on your home machine - haven't head from you.
  We have donations being held from Hess, Glee, Pietras Bridal and
Matilda Gage. When /where do you need them ? thanks!
Kathleen
637-2453- machine








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#650 From: "crew4it" <gowns@...>
Date: Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:52 pm
Subject: silent auction goods
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Kelly- left message on your home machine - haven't head from you.
  We have donations being held from Hess, Glee, Pietras Bridal and
Matilda Gage. When /where do you need them ? thanks!
Kathleen
637-2453- machine

#649 From: "Ellen Oleary" <olearye@...>
Date: Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:55 pm
Subject: RE: Crewsters 2005 - 2006 Officers
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*A*  *B*  *C*
*1*  *Position
(voting rights*)*  *Role*  *Nominations *
* 2*  President*  Responsible for overall organization - primary
liaison
with School  Bob O'Leary
*3*  Vice President - Varsity Boys*  Primary liaison between varsity
boys coach and parents, and for arranging for chaperones for all boy
rowers.  David Jureller
*4*  Assistant VP - Varsity Boys  Assists varsity boys VP  Jeff
Rhea
*5*  Vice President - Varsity Girls*  Primary liaison between
varsity
girls coach and parents, and for arranging for chaperones for all girl
rowers.  Mike Griffin
*6*  Assistant VP - Varsity Girls  Assists varsity girls VP
	 Caren Konys
*7*
*8 *  Vice President - Novice Boys*  Primary liaison between novice boys
coach and parents  TBD
*9*  Assistant VP - Novice Boys  Assists novice boys VP  TBD
*10*  Vice President - Novice Girls*  Primary liaison between novice
girls coach and parents  TBD
*11*  Assistant VP - Novice Girls  Assists novice girls VP  TBD
*12*
*13 *  Vice President - Public Relations*  Responsible for PR between
Crewsters and Community  Randy Wenner
*14*
*15 *  Assistant VP - Public Relations  Assists VP Public Relations
	 TBD
*16*
*17 *  Vice President - Development*  Responsible for crested fund
raising  Rich Konys
*18*  Assistant VP - Development  Assists VP - Development  Kris
King
*19*
*20 *  Vice President - Operations*  Oversees food, tent, and trailer
transportation for regattas  Jack Cushman
*21*  Assistant VP - Operations  Assists VP - Operations
	 Michael Cleary
*22*  Assistant VP - Operations  Assists VP - Operations  Anne
Nassar
*23*
*24 *  Vice President - Special Projects* 	   Ed Hinchey
*25*
*26 *  Vice President - Restaurant Accommodations*  Responsible for
restaurant reservations  Ellen O'Leary
*27*  Assistant VP - Accommodations & Development  Responsible for
hotel
reservations and for providing driving directions for team and parents.
Will assist in in coordinating fund raisers  Terri Furlong
*28*
*29 *  Vice President - All Sports Boosters Representative*  Primary
Crewster liaison to All-Sports Boosters Club  Rick Duff
*30*
*31 *  Vice President - Treasurer*  Responsible for managing Crewster
finances  Scott Miller
*32*  Assistant VP - Treasurer  Assists VP - Treasurer  Gail Rhodes
*33*
*34 *  Vice President - Recording Secretary*  Provides Crewster meeting
notes and maintains team and parent roster  Judy Hodge
*35*  Assistant VP - Recording Secretary  Assists VP  - Recording
Secretary  TBD
*36*
*37 *  Vice President - Alumni Relations*  Responsible for maintaining
Crewster Alumni relations  Dave Schneckenburger
*38*
*39 *  Corporate Secretary* 	   Ami Longstreet
*40*  Vice President at Large* 	   TBD
*41*  Vice President at Large* 	   Barbara Pickard
*42*  Vice President at Large* 	   Christine Kirkman






Ellen O'Leary
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Syracuse, NY  13210
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#648 From: "Tom_Nicole Dixon" <tom_Nicole@...>
Date: Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:14 pm
Subject: RE: Crewsters 2005 - 2006 Officers
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Would it be possible to send the list of officers in an e-mail rather than
an attched excel doc. I can't open it, but I would like to know who the
officers are for the year!

Thanks,
Amy Dixon


>From: "David Schneckenburger" <dschneckenburger@...>
>Reply-To: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
>To: "FM Crew FM Crew" <FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [FMHS_Crew] Crewsters 2005 - 2006 Officers
>Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:10:33 -0500
>
>Attached is a corrected list.  I forgot to remove Helen Joseph.
>Dave Schneckenburger
>
>


><< 2005-2006Officers.xls >>

#647 From: "Ellen Oleary" <olearye@...>
Date: Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:51 pm
Subject: December meeting
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I thought I would give a quick recap, as attendance was light due to holiday conflicts and an ice/snow storm.
 
As you will note from Dave Schenck's email, a slate of officers was approved.
 
Coaches - The participation in winter training is record-breaking!  64 varsity and 22 novices.  The coaches are very pleased with how it is progressing. 
New coach - those of us who braved the weather were fortunate enough to meet Molly, our new novice girl's coach.  Molly has already begun working with potential novices at winter training.
Note on winter training cost- AFTER the Chargers, head coach and school administration finalized the cost and the checks were collected, Crewster President Bob O'Leary took it upon himself (with permission from Rob Hughes) to try to get all or most of the facility usage fee waived.  He wrote a memo and contacted three school board members, and then when he received a call from Superintendant Corliss Kaiser, he talked to her for nearly an hour making his impassioned plea that the sport is costly and the kids are using school facilities in a manner comparable to other student groups that do not have to pay.  His persistence may have paid off.  We hear a reduction is in the works, and there may be a refund of some kind coming.  Stay tuned! 
Equipment purchases - Varsity Girls Coach Aaron Lachant requested that the Crewsters purchase a training tool that is used instead of one rigger to "set" the boat and allows better coaching of rowing technique.  If it seems to work well, possibly a second one would get purchased.  The cost is in the neighborhood of $300.  A vote was taken and approved to purchase one of these devices.
Oars - Coach Schnall presented to All-Sports Boosters a request to partially fund the purchase of two sets of oars to equip two 8 boats.  He will not know until January whether they will contribute anywhere from 25-50% of the cost ($3800).   A vote was taken and the Crewsters agreed that they would fund 50% of the cost with the understanding that they would be used for the FM scholastic program only and in the spring only.
Silent Auction - Kris King created a very nice solicitation form for use. (Thanks, Kris). 
 
Those are the highlights,
Ellen

#646 From: "David Schneckenburger" <dschneckenburger@...>
Date: Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:10 pm
Subject: Crewsters 2005 - 2006 Officers
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Attached is a corrected list.  I forgot to remove Helen Joseph.

Dave Schneckenburger

<<...>>


#645 From: "Helen Joseph" <helen@...>
Date: Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:04 pm
Subject: RE: Officer Nominations
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From: Helen Joseph
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:27 AM
To: 'FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [FMHS_Crew] Officer Nominations

To all it may concern:
 
I'd like to thank you for the consideration of the recording secretary position, but have to respectfully decline as my husband and I have started a new business and it is taking up much more personal time than we anticipated. 
 
Thank you,
Helen Joseph 

From: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Schneckenburger
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:54 AM
To: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FMHS_Crew] Officer Nominations

Attached are the nominations respectfully presented by Ann Madsen, Jeff Mitchell and myself.

We need to vote on these tomorrow night.

The Novice positions were left open intentionally so we could determine what new rowers we will have and which parents would like to become involved.

See you tomorrow

Dave

 

 



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#644 From: "David Schneckenburger" <dschneckenburger@...>
Date: Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:09 pm
Subject: Officer Elections
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Attached are the officers approved at last nights meeting

Dave Schneckenburger

<<...>>


#643 From: "Tom_Nicole Dixon" <tom_Nicole@...>
Date: Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:49 am
Subject: Re: Crewster Meeting Thursday 12/15/05 @ 7:30 p.m.
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Hi Everyone,

Donn and I will not be able to make the meeting because our youngest has a
concert at Eagle Hill. Sorry. Have a great meeting and let me know what I
need to do!

Thanks,
Amy Dixon


>From: "Robert P. O'Leary- OlearyLawOffices.com"
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>Reply-To: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
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>Subject: Re: [FMHS_Crew] Crewster Meeting Thursday 12/15/05 @ 7:30 p.m.
>Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:46:03 -0500
>
>MessageMike,
>
>Thank you for the kind offer to move the Crew trailer.
>
>At your earliest convenience please call Randy Wazser (Judy Hodge's
>brother) @ 430.4654 to arrange a convenient time to remove the trailer from
>his property.  I have asked the School district for a place to store the
>trailer but they have not responded so please take it to Rich Konys office
>on Genesee Street in Fayetteville unless I advise you to the contrary.
>
>thank you for your assistance.
>
>Merry Christmas.
>
>Bob O'Leary
>
>
>_____________________________________________
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Cleary, Michael P.
>   To: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:26 AM
>   Subject: RE: [FMHS_Crew] Crewster Meeting Thursday 12/15/05 @ 7:30 p.m.
>
>
>   I will be glad to move the trailer.
>
>
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com] On
>Behalf Of Robert P. O'Leary- OlearyLawOffices.com
>   Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:32 PM
>   To: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com; dschneckenburger@...;
>jmitche6@...; munayash1@...; rhughes@...; aaron
>lachant; David & Julie Cusano
>   Subject: [FMHS_Crew] Crewster Meeting Thursday 12/15/05 @ 7:30 p.m.
>
>
>
>
>   The F-M Crewsters, Inc.
>   104 Pleasant Street
>   Manlius, New York 13104
>   (315) 682-9131
>   rpoleary@...
>
>
>
>
>   Dear Fellow Crewsters & Friends,
>
>   Seasons Greetings.
>
>   There will be a meeting of all Crewster members on Thursday evening,
>December 15th, 2005 at 7 p.m.  The meeting will be held at the High School
>Library (unless you are contacted to the contrary).
>
>   The Elections Committee of Dave Schneckenburger, Ann Madsen and Jeff
>Mitchell will present their report.  If you would like to be considered for
>a position then you should contact either of these 3 individuals.
>
>   Additional topics to be covered will include:
>
>   (i)  the silent auction [thank you Kelly Ward Tiso & her committee],
>
>   (ii) coaches report
>   The coaches will again be invited to attend and hopefully all or some
>will be able to attend and share their insights for the upcoming season.  I
>am hopeful that new novice girls coach Molly will be in attendance for all
>Crewsters to meet.  Molly served as Liverpool's novice girls coach for the
>past 2 seasons and we expect that her experience will make her a valuable
>addition to the F- M coaching staff.
>
>   (iii)  clothing order for coming spring [We need a volunteer to serve as
>chairperson],
>
>   (iv) whether to have monthly members meetings or director meetings.
>Last year the preference was for director meetings open to all members
>since most non directors did not feel the need to attend monthly meetings,
>
>   (v) upcoming fundraising efforts,
>
>   (vi) purchase by Crewsters of new Oars to be used by the F- M Crew
>program, and (vii) open forum.
>
>   If you would like to add a specific topic then please notify me and I
>will add it to the agenda.
>
>   On important last item:  Judy Hodge's brother Randy has completed a
>masterful build out of the School District's trailer.  He generously
>donated his time.  The Crewsters will reimburse him for his materials
>(approximately $250).  Randy wants the trailer to be moved as soon as
>possible.  I need a volunteer with appropriate vehicle to drive to Randy's
>house, near Jamesville Reservoir and deliver the trailer to the F- M School
>District.  If you can do this (soon) then please call my office and ask for
>Barbara to find out where to drive the trailer.
>
>   Thank you for your continued assistance.  I hope to see everyone on
>December 15th.
>
>   Best wishes.
>
>   Bob O'Leary
>
>
>
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#642 From: bdolesh@...
Date: Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:32 am
Subject: Re: Officer Nominations
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Dave,
 
I am pleased to accept the nomination for the VP-Treasurer position, however, my wife and I will be unable to attend the meeting this Thursday due to an out of town commitments. 
 
Please let us know if there is anything else we can do.  Happy Holidays, and we will see you at the next meeting.
 
Scott and Beth Miller

#641 From: FMHS_Crew@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:59 pm
Subject: Monthly Crewsters Meeting, 12/15/2005, 7:00 pm
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