Luke-

Fantastic.  Thanks.

Will you be so kind as to talk to some of the other riders in the slower-group and get 1-2 others to volunteer as co-leaders.  It would be good to have backup due to travel, etc and one of the co-leaders needs to be there for every ride.

Having a formal slower-group will help to further develop FHL rides.  Thanks again.

-Mark

Mark,

I can commit to lead one of the weekend riding.

Regards, Luke
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From: FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Griffin, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:54 PM
To: FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup] CityWeekend listing for FHL

Luke-

Thanks for the offer.  

Based on Herman’s response, it does not work to have him lead the slower-group.  He increases his speed as soon as the fast-group catches him.

Would you and 1-2 other riders from the slower-group be willing to volunteer to officially lead this group?  It would be good if FHL can announce 2 groups and let people know that if they show-up for the slower group that there will actually be someone to lead them and to ride with.

-Mark

Hi Mark,

I can be the person who lead the slower riders from Mag-lev to join Herman if we need one.

Regards, Luke
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Luke Zhang
Software Engineer, China R&D Center, Cisco Systems
14th floor, Block C, Keji Building, 900 Yishan Lu, Caohejing Hi-Tech Park, Shanghai, P.R.C, 200233
Phone : +86 (21) 2405 7082
Mobile: +86 139 1001 4532
Email : luzhan@...
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From: FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Griffin, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:26 PM
To: FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup] CityWeekend listing for FHL

Herman and all-

Are you and Anne willing to ride to Maglev and meet with all other slower-riders and lead them from Mag-lev departing at 7am or so???  Or someone needs to lead them from Mag-lev to join you as they pass Tomson at 0715.  And it means Puxi slower-riders need to take an earlier ferry then the fast-riders if they want to meet you at Mag-lev at 7am. I think this is a challenge.  And, this will be even more challenging once we change start time from 0630 to 0600 for the summer for the Puxi fast-riders.

If you want to lead, then we could officially form a slower-group with you as leader. 

If not, then you are not really non-official B group.  You are more like “2 lone riders with your own warm-up program” J.  And then, we still need to find someone to lead the slower-group to make it official and regular. 

-Mark

Actually Anne and I are the non official B group!
We always leave from Tomson Main Gate (German Center) at 7.15 am, approximately the same time as the A group leaves from Magalev. This gives us a 5+ minutes handicap and allows us to slowly warm up on Long Dong (very important for elderly people).
HR below TH (threshold) -35.
Along the Express way we then ride an extensive endurance pace (TH -30 to TH-20) for thorough warming up with a subsequent recovery between express way and sea shore.
By doing so we are more than ready to follow the intensive A group pace when they catch us.
Now you know the secret.

Conclusion, during the part until the sea shore everybody (all normal healthy people with a bit of cycling km in the legs) should be able to follow.
They can either continue along the sea shore to the drink stand or turn north and go back for shorter distance.

Herman

Dear Marcel,
 
I agree with you but to the best of my knowledge, FHL does not have a group B as such yet! I have NOTHING against a group B, but this is simply not yet existing.
 
So either we do not mention it because it is not yet in place or we officially create a group B (for example starting from Maglew 15' earlier -so we can join and chat at the drink stop- the leaders stopping for example at the end of LongDong and at the end of the express way to wait for the latest and regroup before resuming in peloton).
 
Cheers, JP.


marcel.heim@... wrote:
JP,
 
I agree with you that competitive Cycling is the goal. To make this clear in the listing is also OK. I am only of the opinion that there should be a chance for newcomers to get started. That¡¯s all.  And in fact that seems to be the case since there are already very many riders with a broad range of capabilities.
 
Marcel
 

From: FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Collins
Sent: Dienstag, 23. Mai 2006 22:17
To: FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup] CityWeekend listing for FHL
 
Mark,
 
Thanks for having sympathy for the fat slow guys like myself.  On the times I have been out for a ride, I get dropped by the group pretty quickly.  I am usually am able to find another rider along the way that has been able to help out with the route.
 
It seems that on the way home there has always a group of slower riders to come back with so that's quite nice.  

25-30 seems like a good suggestion for the slow group as it seems more inviting for the slower riders than 28 to 34.
 
Regards,
Josh

On 5/23/06, Griffin, Mark <mark.griffin@...> wrote:
I'm ok to reduce speed on the slower group but not the faster¡ª  well maybe a little reduction would be OK.  We have had a string of new riders join us that get dropped 5km after the maglev and we never see them again.  I feel bad for them.  I think we need to let people know that FHL-fast group is a serious road-ride group.  The issue becomes, we need to have someone lead the slower group so new riders know who they should be following.   Just my opinion.  Let's see what others think.
 
-Mark
 

From: FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of marcel.heim@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:08 PM
To: FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup] CityWeekend listing for FHL
 
Mark,
 
We all know that your recovery speed is around 34 kph but don't scare the people away with this information. Fast group should be 30-40 (so recovery for us younger riders is also possible) and the slow one should be 25-30.
 
Cheers
Marcel
 

From: FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Griffin, Mark
Sent: Dienstag, 23. Mai 2006 18:00
To: FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup] CityWeekend listing for FHL
 
Patrick-

Great idea to list FHL on CityWeekend.  Thanks for taking the initiative.

I do not want my mobile phone or e-mail to be listed.  I would prefer they access the web-site and join the club.  But if others want to be listed as contact-- e-mail or mobile, that would be great.   Any takers for this role???

Draft text:  
Flying Hairy Legs Cycling Club
FHL, Shanghai's premier road cycling club, rides Tues-Thurs-Sat-Sun
mornings.  Fast (34-40kph avg) and not-so-fast (28-34kph avg) groups ride 65-120km; Puxi and Pudong.  Also organizes club races.  Contact FHL website: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup/ for details.


-----Original Message-----
From: FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Cranley
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 5:41 PM
To: FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FlyingHairyLegsCyclingGroup] CityWeekend listing for FHL

CityWeekend would like to list FHL in their magazine (biweekly).  
There are several bike clubs listed already:  Shanghai Bike Club
(Bohdi), SISU Cycling Group, Wolf's Mountain Bike Club.

Here is some draft text - comments welcome; most important is correct
contact info - Mark and Kaiyuan, are you guys OK as primary contacts?  
Can we list an email contact too?


Flying Hairy Legs Cycling Club
FHL, Shanghai's premier road cycling club, rides Tues-Thurs-Sat-Sun
mornings.  Fast and not-so-fast groups; Puxi and Pudong.  Also
organizes club races.  Contact Mark (1391-637-3263) or Wang (XXXX).


Thanks,
Patrick







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