Once again...Tom Maddox  jazzaxe@...

Bill
-- jvazquezEKS <jvazquezeks@...> wrote:
> OK, big secret here. How do I get in touch w/ this
> gentlmen?
> Jorge -IBM
>
>
>
> --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham"
> <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > Jorge,
> >
> > Bill and Tom are not from L.C., they are from
> Farmington.
> > Definately too far to go see what they have but
> email/phone should
> > do the trick just fine.
> >
> > Neal
> >
> >
> > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> <jvazquezeks@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Bill,
> > > Thanks, sent an e-mail to maddox, in regards to
> awards.
> > > Bill where are they located? L.C.? couldnt find
> them in yellow
> > pages,
> > > L.C. yellow pages also no show, need assist.
> Gracias.
> > > Jorge -IBM
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke
> <surveyor_nm@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Get in touch with Tom Maddox jazzaxe@e...
> > > > He can let you know where we got the
> trophies.They
> > > > have good deals.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > > --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > > Jorge,
> > > > >
> > > > > I sent a picture of the trophy I have from
> > > > > Farmington and the plaque
> > > > > I have from Phoenix to you with the original
> email.
> > > > > It is all I
> > > > > have for you to go on man.
> > > > >
> > > > > Neal
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> > > > > <jvazquezeks@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Neal,
> > > > > > you asked me to look into the trophy,
> awards, sit.
> > > > > need to look at
> > > > > > what yall have seen out there. send pics.
> to get
> > > > > an idea where to
> > > > > get
> > > > > > the best deals, and quality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his
> duty I was
> > > > > there.As a M.S.
> > > > > > History teacher I have difficulty in
> bringing this
> > > > > forth to our
> > > > > > youth, gotta get through the girl thing,
> x-box,
> > > > > and rap music, and
> > > > > > most of the time I'am not very
> successfull, but I
> > > > > will keep at it.
> > > > > > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can
> > > > > congregate,disagree, and
> > > > > > have opinions about what IS the best gun
> and, have
> > > > > GREAT gun
> > > > > shoots!
> > > > > > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so.
> Hell, if it
> > > > > aint this great,
> > > > > > then why does everybody want to be here,
> and shoot
> > > > > guns?
> > > > > > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range
> out there?
> > > > > Bet ya he does,
> > > > > > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > > > > > Jorge -IBM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham"
> > > > > <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Great news everyone,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Our regional match is now official.  It
> is
> > > > > posted on the IDPA
> > > > > web
> > > > > > > site under the upcoming major matches.
> Also,
> > > > > the COFs are
> > > > > turned
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > for approval but I don't expect and
> problems
> > > > > there.
> > > > > > >
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OK, big secret here. How do I get in touch w/ this gentlmen?
Jorge -IBM



--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham" <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> Jorge,
>
> Bill and Tom are not from L.C., they are from Farmington.
> Definately too far to go see what they have but email/phone should
> do the trick just fine.
>
> Neal
>
>
> --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS" <jvazquezeks@y...>
> wrote:
> > Bill,
> > Thanks, sent an e-mail to maddox, in regards to awards.
> > Bill where are they located? L.C.? couldnt find them in yellow
> pages,
> > L.C. yellow pages also no show, need assist. Gracias.
> > Jorge -IBM
> >
> >
> > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke <surveyor_nm@y...>
> wrote:
> > > Get in touch with Tom Maddox jazzaxe@e...
> > > He can let you know where we got the trophies.They
> > > have good deals.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > Jorge,
> > > >
> > > > I sent a picture of the trophy I have from
> > > > Farmington and the plaque
> > > > I have from Phoenix to you with the original email.
> > > > It is all I
> > > > have for you to go on man.
> > > >
> > > > Neal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> > > > <jvazquezeks@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Neal,
> > > > > you asked me to look into the trophy, awards, sit.
> > > > need to look at
> > > > > what yall have seen out there. send pics. to get
> > > > an idea where to
> > > > get
> > > > > the best deals, and quality.
> > > > >
> > > > > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his duty I was
> > > > there.As a M.S.
> > > > > History teacher I have difficulty in bringing this
> > > > forth to our
> > > > > youth, gotta get through the girl thing, x-box,
> > > > and rap music, and
> > > > > most of the time I'am not very successfull, but I
> > > > will keep at it.
> > > > > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can
> > > > congregate,disagree, and
> > > > > have opinions about what IS the best gun and, have
> > > > GREAT gun
> > > > shoots!
> > > > > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so. Hell, if it
> > > > aint this great,
> > > > > then why does everybody want to be here, and shoot
> > > > guns?
> > > > > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range out there?
> > > > Bet ya he does,
> > > > > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > > > > Jorge -IBM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham"
> > > > <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > Great news everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Our regional match is now official.  It is
> > > > posted on the IDPA
> > > > web
> > > > > > site under the upcoming major matches.  Also,
> > > > the COFs are
> > > > turned
> > > > > in
> > > > > > for approval but I don't expect and problems
> > > > there.
> > > > > >
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thanks for the info



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> No, you can only shoot one gun per IDPA rules--LGB p46
>
>
> Bill
> --- cazador1022 <cazador@e...> wrote:
> > At this up coming Las Cruces Match(26&27),will
> > competitors be
> > allowed to shoot two guns?  And if so would the
> > competitor have to
> > pay an adittional 75 dollars?  I plan to shoot my
> > issued service
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Bill
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> competitors be
> allowed to shoot two guns?  And if so would the
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--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham" <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> After numerous emails to Johnny and IDPA HQ with no reply I finally
> contacted Johnny on his cell phone.  He told me he would talk to
> IDPA HQ about it and I have yet heard anything back dispite several
> additional emails from me to him with no response at all.  Needless
> to say I am REALLY looking forward to seeing him in Las Cruces.


=================

Hey Bro,

Glad to hear things are moving foreward with the match.  "I" expected
no less or more for that matter from him.

knap____

--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "coslin@e..." <coslin@e...> wrote:
>
> OK - Enough rambling for now.
>
===============

Did you say something?  ;-))

BTW I didn't stop shooting becasue I think the Glock is a bad pistol.
If any was wondering that is ;-))  Or that I think the 1911 is a good
one ;-)).

Shoot-em if ya got em folks - it makes no difference to me which way
you float or which caliber.


knap____

--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "Rip Raatz" <ripnet@i...> wrote:
> I didn't know that some folks were sensitive enough to quit the
club over a discussion of pistol types and preferences.  This is the
last place I thought that one had to be politically correct.  I will
my thoughts to myself.
> Rip
================

PC?  PC?  Where?  As long as the core rules are followed you,
ACmodler and even Neal can hang out. ;-))  Now go forth and burn
great amounts of powder.  Oh and have FUN!!!  ;-))

knap____

--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, ACModeler@a... wrote:
> There is no reason for people to quit a club over which gun is
best. etc.....

=================
Makes sense to me.

knap____

At this up coming Las Cruces Match(26&27),will competitors be
allowed to shoot two guns?  And if so would the competitor have to
pay an adittional 75 dollars?  I plan to shoot my issued service
pistol but I would like to see if I could also shoot something else.

Jorge,

Bill and Tom are not from L.C., they are from Farmington.
Definately too far to go see what they have but email/phone should
do the trick just fine.

Neal


--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS" <jvazquezeks@y...>
wrote:
> Bill,
> Thanks, sent an e-mail to maddox, in regards to awards.
> Bill where are they located? L.C.? couldnt find them in yellow
pages,
> L.C. yellow pages also no show, need assist. Gracias.
> Jorge -IBM
>
>
> --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke <surveyor_nm@y...>
wrote:
> > Get in touch with Tom Maddox jazzaxe@e...
> > He can let you know where we got the trophies.They
> > have good deals.
> >
> > Bill
> > --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > Jorge,
> > >
> > > I sent a picture of the trophy I have from
> > > Farmington and the plaque
> > > I have from Phoenix to you with the original email.
> > > It is all I
> > > have for you to go on man.
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> > > <jvazquezeks@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Neal,
> > > > you asked me to look into the trophy, awards, sit.
> > > need to look at
> > > > what yall have seen out there. send pics. to get
> > > an idea where to
> > > get
> > > > the best deals, and quality.
> > > >
> > > > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his duty I was
> > > there.As a M.S.
> > > > History teacher I have difficulty in bringing this
> > > forth to our
> > > > youth, gotta get through the girl thing, x-box,
> > > and rap music, and
> > > > most of the time I'am not very successfull, but I
> > > will keep at it.
> > > > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can
> > > congregate,disagree, and
> > > > have opinions about what IS the best gun and, have
> > > GREAT gun
> > > shoots!
> > > > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so. Hell, if it
> > > aint this great,
> > > > then why does everybody want to be here, and shoot
> > > guns?
> > > > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range out there?
> > > Bet ya he does,
> > > > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > > > Jorge -IBM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham"
> > > <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > > Great news everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > Our regional match is now official.  It is
> > > posted on the IDPA
> > > web
> > > > > site under the upcoming major matches.  Also,
> > > the COFs are
> > > turned
> > > > in
> > > > > for approval but I don't expect and problems
> > > there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Neal
> > >
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Not sure where they're located. It was all done over
the phone or e-mail.

B
--- jvazquezEKS <jvazquezeks@...> wrote:
> Bill,
> Thanks, sent an e-mail to maddox, in regards to
> awards.
> Bill where are they located? L.C.? couldnt find them
> in yellow pages,
> L.C. yellow pages also no show, need assist.
> Gracias.
> Jorge -IBM
>
>
> --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke
> <surveyor_nm@y...> wrote:
> > Get in touch with Tom Maddox jazzaxe@e...
> > He can let you know where we got the trophies.They
> > have good deals.
> >
> > Bill
> > --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > Jorge,
> > >
> > > I sent a picture of the trophy I have from
> > > Farmington and the plaque
> > > I have from Phoenix to you with the original
> email.
> > > It is all I
> > > have for you to go on man.
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> > > <jvazquezeks@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Neal,
> > > > you asked me to look into the trophy, awards,
> sit.
> > > need to look at
> > > > what yall have seen out there. send pics. to
> get
> > > an idea where to
> > > get
> > > > the best deals, and quality.
> > > >
> > > > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his duty I
> was
> > > there.As a M.S.
> > > > History teacher I have difficulty in bringing
> this
> > > forth to our
> > > > youth, gotta get through the girl thing,
> x-box,
> > > and rap music, and
> > > > most of the time I'am not very successfull,
> but I
> > > will keep at it.
> > > > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can
> > > congregate,disagree, and
> > > > have opinions about what IS the best gun and,
> have
> > > GREAT gun
> > > shoots!
> > > > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so. Hell, if
> it
> > > aint this great,
> > > > then why does everybody want to be here, and
> shoot
> > > guns?
> > > > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range out
> there?
> > > Bet ya he does,
> > > > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > > > Jorge -IBM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham"
> > > <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > > Great news everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > Our regional match is now official.  It is
> > > posted on the IDPA
> > > web
> > > > > site under the upcoming major matches.
> Also,
> > > the COFs are
> > > turned
> > > > in
> > > > > for approval but I don't expect and problems
> > > there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Neal
> > >
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Answers my question...no surprises elther.

B
--- nealham <nhamilto@...> wrote:
> After numerous emails to Johnny and IDPA HQ with no
> reply I finally
> contacted Johnny on his cell phone.  He told me he
> would talk to
> IDPA HQ about it and I have yet heard anything back
> dispite several
> additional emails from me to him with no response at
> all.  Needless
> to say I am REALLY looking forward to seeing him in
> Las Cruces.  I
> can't wait to have a little chat with him man to
> man.
>
> Neal
>
> --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke
> <surveyor_nm@y...> wrote:
> > BTW
> > Did you ever hear back on the SO Instructor thing?
> > Just wondering...
> >
> > B
> > --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Thanks man, I'll do that.  I haven't heard from
> Bill
> > > in a while
> > > anyway so I guess I should say hey to him.
> > >
> > > BTW, I really liked the personalized touch you
> guys
> > > had on the
> > > trophies where you got them engraved with the
> names
> > > a couple of
> > > years ago.  I didn't make last years so I don't
> know
> > > if you did the
> > > same.
> > >
> > > See you in Las Cruces man,
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke
> > > <surveyor_nm@y...> wrote:
> > > > Get in touch with Tom Maddox jazzaxe@e...
> > > > He can let you know where we got the
> trophies.They
> > > > have good deals.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > > --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > > Jorge,
> > > > >
> > > > > I sent a picture of the trophy I have from
> > > > > Farmington and the plaque
> > > > > I have from Phoenix to you with the original
> > > email.
> > > > > It is all I
> > > > > have for you to go on man.
> > > > >
> > > > > Neal
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> > > > > <jvazquezeks@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Neal,
> > > > > > you asked me to look into the trophy,
> awards,
> > > sit.
> > > > > need to look at
> > > > > > what yall have seen out there. send pics.
> to
> > > get
> > > > > an idea where to
> > > > > get
> > > > > > the best deals, and quality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his
> duty I
> > > was
> > > > > there.As a M.S.
> > > > > > History teacher I have difficulty in
> bringing
> > > this
> > > > > forth to our
> > > > > > youth, gotta get through the girl thing,
> > > x-box,
> > > > > and rap music, and
> > > > > > most of the time I'am not very
> successfull,
> > > but I
> > > > > will keep at it.
> > > > > > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can
> > > > > congregate,disagree, and
> > > > > > have opinions about what IS the best gun
> and,
> > > have
> > > > > GREAT gun
> > > > > shoots!
> > > > > > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so.
> Hell, if
> > > it
> > > > > aint this great,
> > > > > > then why does everybody want to be here,
> and
> > > shoot
> > > > > guns?
> > > > > > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range
> out
> > > there?
> > > > > Bet ya he does,
> > > > > > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > > > > > Jorge -IBM
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > > site under the upcoming major matches.
> > > Also,
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> > > > > turned
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> > > > > > > for approval but I don't expect and
> problems
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Answers my question...no surprises elther.

B
--- nealham <nhamilto@...> wrote:
> After numerous emails to Johnny and IDPA HQ with no
> reply I finally
> contacted Johnny on his cell phone.  He told me he
> would talk to
> IDPA HQ about it and I have yet heard anything back
> dispite several
> additional emails from me to him with no response at
> all.  Needless
> to say I am REALLY looking forward to seeing him in
> Las Cruces.  I
> can't wait to have a little chat with him man to
> man.
>
> Neal
>
> --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke
> <surveyor_nm@y...> wrote:
> > BTW
> > Did you ever hear back on the SO Instructor thing?
> > Just wondering...
> >
> > B
> > --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Thanks man, I'll do that.  I haven't heard from
> Bill
> > > in a while
> > > anyway so I guess I should say hey to him.
> > >
> > > BTW, I really liked the personalized touch you
> guys
> > > had on the
> > > trophies where you got them engraved with the
> names
> > > a couple of
> > > years ago.  I didn't make last years so I don't
> know
> > > if you did the
> > > same.
> > >
> > > See you in Las Cruces man,
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke
> > > <surveyor_nm@y...> wrote:
> > > > Get in touch with Tom Maddox jazzaxe@e...
> > > > He can let you know where we got the
> trophies.They
> > > > have good deals.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > > --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > > Jorge,
> > > > >
> > > > > I sent a picture of the trophy I have from
> > > > > Farmington and the plaque
> > > > > I have from Phoenix to you with the original
> > > email.
> > > > > It is all I
> > > > > have for you to go on man.
> > > > >
> > > > > Neal
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> > > > > <jvazquezeks@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Neal,
> > > > > > you asked me to look into the trophy,
> awards,
> > > sit.
> > > > > need to look at
> > > > > > what yall have seen out there. send pics.
> to
> > > get
> > > > > an idea where to
> > > > > get
> > > > > > the best deals, and quality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his
> duty I
> > > was
> > > > > there.As a M.S.
> > > > > > History teacher I have difficulty in
> bringing
> > > this
> > > > > forth to our
> > > > > > youth, gotta get through the girl thing,
> > > x-box,
> > > > > and rap music, and
> > > > > > most of the time I'am not very
> successfull,
> > > but I
> > > > > will keep at it.
> > > > > > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can
> > > > > congregate,disagree, and
> > > > > > have opinions about what IS the best gun
> and,
> > > have
> > > > > GREAT gun
> > > > > shoots!
> > > > > > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so.
> Hell, if
> > > it
> > > > > aint this great,
> > > > > > then why does everybody want to be here,
> and
> > > shoot
> > > > > guns?
> > > > > > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range
> out
> > > there?
> > > > > Bet ya he does,
> > > > > > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > > > > > Jorge -IBM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham"
> > > > > <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Great news everyone,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Our regional match is now official.  It
> is
> > > > > posted on the IDPA
> > > > > web
> > > > > > > site under the upcoming major matches.
> > > Also,
> > > > > the COFs are
> > > > > turned
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > for approval but I don't expect and
> problems
> > > > > there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Neal
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Bill,
Thanks, sent an e-mail to maddox, in regards to awards.
Bill where are they located? L.C.? couldnt find them in yellow pages,
L.C. yellow pages also no show, need assist. Gracias.
Jorge -IBM


--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke <surveyor_nm@y...> wrote:
> Get in touch with Tom Maddox jazzaxe@e...
> He can let you know where we got the trophies.They
> have good deals.
>
> Bill
> --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > Jorge,
> >
> > I sent a picture of the trophy I have from
> > Farmington and the plaque
> > I have from Phoenix to you with the original email.
> > It is all I
> > have for you to go on man.
> >
> > Neal
> >
> >
> > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> > <jvazquezeks@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Neal,
> > > you asked me to look into the trophy, awards, sit.
> > need to look at
> > > what yall have seen out there. send pics. to get
> > an idea where to
> > get
> > > the best deals, and quality.
> > >
> > > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his duty I was
> > there.As a M.S.
> > > History teacher I have difficulty in bringing this
> > forth to our
> > > youth, gotta get through the girl thing, x-box,
> > and rap music, and
> > > most of the time I'am not very successfull, but I
> > will keep at it.
> > > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can
> > congregate,disagree, and
> > > have opinions about what IS the best gun and, have
> > GREAT gun
> > shoots!
> > > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so. Hell, if it
> > aint this great,
> > > then why does everybody want to be here, and shoot
> > guns?
> > > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range out there?
> > Bet ya he does,
> > > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > > Jorge -IBM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham"
> > <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > Great news everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Our regional match is now official.  It is
> > posted on the IDPA
> > web
> > > > site under the upcoming major matches.  Also,
> > the COFs are
> > turned
> > > in
> > > > for approval but I don't expect and problems
> > there.
> > > >
> > > > Neal
> >
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After numerous emails to Johnny and IDPA HQ with no reply I finally
contacted Johnny on his cell phone.  He told me he would talk to
IDPA HQ about it and I have yet heard anything back dispite several
additional emails from me to him with no response at all.  Needless
to say I am REALLY looking forward to seeing him in Las Cruces.  I
can't wait to have a little chat with him man to man.

Neal

--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke <surveyor_nm@y...> wrote:
> BTW
> Did you ever hear back on the SO Instructor thing?
> Just wondering...
>
> B
> --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > Thanks man, I'll do that.  I haven't heard from Bill
> > in a while
> > anyway so I guess I should say hey to him.
> >
> > BTW, I really liked the personalized touch you guys
> > had on the
> > trophies where you got them engraved with the names
> > a couple of
> > years ago.  I didn't make last years so I don't know
> > if you did the
> > same.
> >
> > See you in Las Cruces man,
> >
> > Neal
> >
> >
> > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke
> > <surveyor_nm@y...> wrote:
> > > Get in touch with Tom Maddox jazzaxe@e...
> > > He can let you know where we got the trophies.They
> > > have good deals.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > Jorge,
> > > >
> > > > I sent a picture of the trophy I have from
> > > > Farmington and the plaque
> > > > I have from Phoenix to you with the original
> > email.
> > > > It is all I
> > > > have for you to go on man.
> > > >
> > > > Neal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> > > > <jvazquezeks@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Neal,
> > > > > you asked me to look into the trophy, awards,
> > sit.
> > > > need to look at
> > > > > what yall have seen out there. send pics. to
> > get
> > > > an idea where to
> > > > get
> > > > > the best deals, and quality.
> > > > >
> > > > > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his duty I
> > was
> > > > there.As a M.S.
> > > > > History teacher I have difficulty in bringing
> > this
> > > > forth to our
> > > > > youth, gotta get through the girl thing,
> > x-box,
> > > > and rap music, and
> > > > > most of the time I'am not very successfull,
> > but I
> > > > will keep at it.
> > > > > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can
> > > > congregate,disagree, and
> > > > > have opinions about what IS the best gun and,
> > have
> > > > GREAT gun
> > > > shoots!
> > > > > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so. Hell, if
> > it
> > > > aint this great,
> > > > > then why does everybody want to be here, and
> > shoot
> > > > guns?
> > > > > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range out
> > there?
> > > > Bet ya he does,
> > > > > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > > > > Jorge -IBM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham"
> > > > <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > Great news everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Our regional match is now official.  It is
> > > > posted on the IDPA
> > > > web
> > > > > > site under the upcoming major matches.
> > Also,
> > > > the COFs are
> > > > turned
> > > > > in
> > > > > > for approval but I don't expect and problems
> > > > there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neal
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Neal,
Did not get pics, maybe yahoo sys. not able to trans.
Send to dvaz103522@...
Jorge -IBM






--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham" <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> Jorge,
>
> I sent a picture of the trophy I have from Farmington and the
plaque
> I have from Phoenix to you with the original email.  It is all I
> have for you to go on man.
>
> Neal
>
>
> --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS" <jvazquezeks@y...>
> wrote:
> > Neal,
> > you asked me to look into the trophy, awards, sit. need to look
at
> > what yall have seen out there. send pics. to get an idea where to
> get
> > the best deals, and quality.
> >
> > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his duty I was there.As a M.S.
> > History teacher I have difficulty in bringing this forth to our
> > youth, gotta get through the girl thing, x-box, and rap music,
and
> > most of the time I'am not very successfull, but I will keep at
it.
> > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can congregate,disagree, and
> > have opinions about what IS the best gun and, have GREAT gun
> shoots!
> > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so. Hell, if it aint this
great,
> > then why does everybody want to be here, and shoot guns?
> > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range out there? Bet ya he
does,
> > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > Jorge -IBM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham" <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > Great news everyone,
> > >
> > > Our regional match is now official.  It is posted on the IDPA
> web
> > > site under the upcoming major matches.  Also, the COFs are
> turned
> > in
> > > for approval but I don't expect and problems there.
> > >
> > > Neal

BTW
Did you ever hear back on the SO Instructor thing?
Just wondering...

B
--- nealham <nhamilto@...> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Thanks man, I'll do that.  I haven't heard from Bill
> in a while
> anyway so I guess I should say hey to him.
>
> BTW, I really liked the personalized touch you guys
> had on the
> trophies where you got them engraved with the names
> a couple of
> years ago.  I didn't make last years so I don't know
> if you did the
> same.
>
> See you in Las Cruces man,
>
> Neal
>
>
> --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke
> <surveyor_nm@y...> wrote:
> > Get in touch with Tom Maddox jazzaxe@e...
> > He can let you know where we got the trophies.They
> > have good deals.
> >
> > Bill
> > --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > Jorge,
> > >
> > > I sent a picture of the trophy I have from
> > > Farmington and the plaque
> > > I have from Phoenix to you with the original
> email.
> > > It is all I
> > > have for you to go on man.
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> > > <jvazquezeks@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Neal,
> > > > you asked me to look into the trophy, awards,
> sit.
> > > need to look at
> > > > what yall have seen out there. send pics. to
> get
> > > an idea where to
> > > get
> > > > the best deals, and quality.
> > > >
> > > > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his duty I
> was
> > > there.As a M.S.
> > > > History teacher I have difficulty in bringing
> this
> > > forth to our
> > > > youth, gotta get through the girl thing,
> x-box,
> > > and rap music, and
> > > > most of the time I'am not very successfull,
> but I
> > > will keep at it.
> > > > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can
> > > congregate,disagree, and
> > > > have opinions about what IS the best gun and,
> have
> > > GREAT gun
> > > shoots!
> > > > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so. Hell, if
> it
> > > aint this great,
> > > > then why does everybody want to be here, and
> shoot
> > > guns?
> > > > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range out
> there?
> > > Bet ya he does,
> > > > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > > > Jorge -IBM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham"
> > > <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > > Great news everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > Our regional match is now official.  It is
> > > posted on the IDPA
> > > web
> > > > > site under the upcoming major matches.
> Also,
> > > the COFs are
> > > turned
> > > > in
> > > > > for approval but I don't expect and problems
> > > there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Neal
> > >
> > >
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Neal,
Yeah, did the same thing again. Takes a little longer,
but it's nice to have your name on them.

See ya in a couple weeks!

Bill
--- nealham <nhamilto@...> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Thanks man, I'll do that.  I haven't heard from Bill
> in a while
> anyway so I guess I should say hey to him.
>
> BTW, I really liked the personalized touch you guys
> had on the
> trophies where you got them engraved with the names
> a couple of
> years ago.  I didn't make last years so I don't know
> if you did the
> same.
>
> See you in Las Cruces man,
>
> Neal
>
>
> --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke
> <surveyor_nm@y...> wrote:
> > Get in touch with Tom Maddox jazzaxe@e...
> > He can let you know where we got the trophies.They
> > have good deals.
> >
> > Bill
> > --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > Jorge,
> > >
> > > I sent a picture of the trophy I have from
> > > Farmington and the plaque
> > > I have from Phoenix to you with the original
> email.
> > > It is all I
> > > have for you to go on man.
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> > > <jvazquezeks@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Neal,
> > > > you asked me to look into the trophy, awards,
> sit.
> > > need to look at
> > > > what yall have seen out there. send pics. to
> get
> > > an idea where to
> > > get
> > > > the best deals, and quality.
> > > >
> > > > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his duty I
> was
> > > there.As a M.S.
> > > > History teacher I have difficulty in bringing
> this
> > > forth to our
> > > > youth, gotta get through the girl thing,
> x-box,
> > > and rap music, and
> > > > most of the time I'am not very successfull,
> but I
> > > will keep at it.
> > > > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can
> > > congregate,disagree, and
> > > > have opinions about what IS the best gun and,
> have
> > > GREAT gun
> > > shoots!
> > > > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so. Hell, if
> it
> > > aint this great,
> > > > then why does everybody want to be here, and
> shoot
> > > guns?
> > > > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range out
> there?
> > > Bet ya he does,
> > > > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > > > Jorge -IBM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham"
> > > <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > > Great news everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > Our regional match is now official.  It is
> > > posted on the IDPA
> > > web
> > > > > site under the upcoming major matches.
> Also,
> > > the COFs are
> > > turned
> > > > in
> > > > > for approval but I don't expect and problems
> > > there.
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Silly me.  What was I thinking.  There couldn't possibly be any
connection between the lack of club growth and the reason that the
old members gave for no longer shooting.

Neal


--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "coslin@e..." <coslin@e...> wrote:
> Everyone:
>
> As I sit here in smoggy, SOuthern California for a mandated
gathering, with
> my lungs gasping for more oxygen and my eyes watering from the
chemical
> composition that transcends the ozone layer, I have read the
recent posts
> with great interest.
>
> Rip and I really are good friends, and we harass each other
regularly.  And
> we respect each other, and we share ideas and many philosophies.
> Admittedly, I have almost as many 1911's as Glocks, and I have one
more
> 1911 on the way - more on that later.
>
> The Glock vs. 1911 is going to be a enduring as the .45 vs. 9mm
debate has
> been, and continues to be.  I say LET IT ROLL!  As far as folks
not coming
> to shoot with us due to last year's Glock vs. 1911 debate - I say
that is
> bullshit.  As you all know, I rarely use indelicate words on the
net, but
> this is used, appropriately, as an emphatic:  BULLSHIT.  Now,
thnose people
> who don't shoot with us anymore might USE the debate as their
excuse, but
> MY OPINION is that they didn't train nor practice enough and they
didn't
> like getting beat every match, so that was the true reason for
their
> inattendance - not the debate.  Let us not try to dissuade the
sharing of
> ideas on this site, nor make people believe that left-wing style
political
> correctness is the expected fare for this site. We don't do it on
the range
> and we shouldn't do it here.  As gentlemen (and women,) we, as a
rule, do
> not purposely try to offend.  Some people have done that and,
thankfully,
> they no longer shoot with us either.  Disagreements are nothing
more than
> differing opinions that come from different ideas, and as long as
manners
> stay in play, we should all agree or disagree at will.
>
> So Rip - I respect your ideas and opinions, and I do NOT want you
to keep
> them to yourself - as misguided as some of them may be!  ;-)  And
I would
> likely never use a 1911's as a battle gun, and that is OK.  I know
that I
> have two of my stable that actually work reliably.  You now have
two that I
> know of.  One is stock and the other has been worked on by a
master 'smith.
> One of mine has been worked on extensively by some folks as well
as by me
> over the years, and the other has been worked on by the same
master 'smith
> that worked on yours.  However, there is NO reason that a NIB gun
should be
> sent  away to be made reliable.  THAT reflects on the design -
because so
> many of that design have to be sent in.  There are many rich
1911 'smiths
> out there, but it seems that very few support themselves repairing
Glocks.
> Am I the only one that finds this odd?
>
> So let it be.  According to some, Rip makes good martinis.  I
won't drink
> the damn things.  Doesn't mean that martinis should or should not
be
> discussed - or consumed.
>
> Jerry wells brings an inordinate amount of both IDPA and real-world
> experience to our little sewing circle.  And he is from
an "Alphabet
> Agency," so I get to razz him about that.  I must admit that he
inquired
> about Rip's status on the net rather than automatically launching
into a
> tirade.  A true gentleman, Mr. Wells.  Class act.
>
> And for the record - Rip has not directly responded to why those
1911's
> also have colored coatings upon them...
>
> And Rip makes comment about the Marines now utilizing 1911 guns
for battle.
> Let us not forget that my fellow Marines were also given Reising
sub-guns
> once, which were better used as anchors than guns - so it would
only go to
> reason that they are using 1911's now.  ;-)  Also, Cooper On
Handguns is a
> good book - for its time.  Cooper was good, for his time.  Some,
I'm sorry
> - MANY of his thoughts are enduring.  However, I do not believe
that all of
> them are.  Cooper has also endorsed both the P-35 and the Glock as
baattle
> pistols - so some writings by him since the publication of his
tome may
> also need to be read.  Cooper also says that at all times, the
shooter, in
> battle, will have time to see their sights.  I wonder about that
one.  Ask
> Jim Cirillo.
>
> And yes folks, Dane Burns actually called me the other day and
said that he
> has started to work on my Springfield!  ALERT THE MEDIA!  Once he
has
> completed the work, it will still take 4 to 6 weeks to get the
finish done,
> but I am interested to see how it turns out.  Never had a
true "Custom" gun
> built before.  Not exactly, anyway.  Some guns have had some work
done to
> them.  Some more extensively than others.  Some are still stock,
but most
> of those guns are Austrian polymer...  Dane said that he puts 500
rounds
> through the guns before they leave his shop to insure
reliability.  If it
> fails once, he tears it down and re-builds it.  I told him that he
must go
> through LOTS of ammo, since he works on 1911's.  So I will update
everyone
> as to the progress (or lack thereof) on my Springfield.
>
> Good to hear that LC is gonna get more folks at their match.  That
will be
> better for us in the long run, I think.
>
> Jorge:  Get with Neal regarding the trophies.
>
> I want everyone to know that Porta-Target repaired and then
returned our
> hostage tree, with NO CHARGES, to include not charging us for
shipping.
> They are really great folks, and we decided that we are going to
at least
> pay the shipping, which is $48.00.  Troy is handling that.  Porta-
target
> ain't the cheapest, but they are the best.  As you all know, they
are my
> preference for darn near everything.
>
>
> OK - Enough rambling for now.
>
>
>
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:43:25 -0600
>    From: "Rip Raatz" <ripnet@i...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Rip & Fashion Guns...
>
> Caseless ammo:  I will admit to devoting a couple of years of my
life to
> the development and manufacure of caseless ammunition.  Tank ammo
is
> generally caseless since spent brass is somewhat of a pain for the
tank
> crew.  Also did R&D work on a 25mm round to replace the 20mm round
used in
> the Vulcan.  Was to be mounted on the F15 Eagle but decision time
came
> before demonstration of viability.  Also did some work on caseless
Squad
> Automatic Weapon System (SAWS) that was fun.  Range time was the
best part
> of the job.  I do not see the advantage of caseless ammo for a
pistol
> unless it is a binary system of high energy that will require only
> projectiles to be loaded.
>
> Back to handgun discussion:  I will admit to being strongly
influenced by
> the book "Cooper on Handguns".  Read this many years ago, reread it
> annually,  find nothing wrong with the logic even with the advent
of
> "advances" in technology.  If a Glock Purple POS is your thing, go
ahead.
> Just like girls, everyone has their own preference.  Thank
goodness.
>
> Commercial:  My daughter was wondering why the nation honored
Ronald
> Reagen.  Had to explain him to her.  I will send a copy this to
any of you
> youngsters who may not have lived through this era.  A great
American.
>
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Bill,

Thanks man, I'll do that.  I haven't heard from Bill in a while
anyway so I guess I should say hey to him.

BTW, I really liked the personalized touch you guys had on the
trophies where you got them engraved with the names a couple of
years ago.  I didn't make last years so I don't know if you did the
same.

See you in Las Cruces man,

Neal


--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, Bill Mahnke <surveyor_nm@y...> wrote:
> Get in touch with Tom Maddox jazzaxe@e...
> He can let you know where we got the trophies.They
> have good deals.
>
> Bill
> --- nealham <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > Jorge,
> >
> > I sent a picture of the trophy I have from
> > Farmington and the plaque
> > I have from Phoenix to you with the original email.
> > It is all I
> > have for you to go on man.
> >
> > Neal
> >
> >
> > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> > <jvazquezeks@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Neal,
> > > you asked me to look into the trophy, awards, sit.
> > need to look at
> > > what yall have seen out there. send pics. to get
> > an idea where to
> > get
> > > the best deals, and quality.
> > >
> > > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his duty I was
> > there.As a M.S.
> > > History teacher I have difficulty in bringing this
> > forth to our
> > > youth, gotta get through the girl thing, x-box,
> > and rap music, and
> > > most of the time I'am not very successfull, but I
> > will keep at it.
> > > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can
> > congregate,disagree, and
> > > have opinions about what IS the best gun and, have
> > GREAT gun
> > shoots!
> > > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so. Hell, if it
> > aint this great,
> > > then why does everybody want to be here, and shoot
> > guns?
> > > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range out there?
> > Bet ya he does,
> > > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > > Jorge -IBM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham"
> > <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > > Great news everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Our regional match is now official.  It is
> > posted on the IDPA
> > web
> > > > site under the upcoming major matches.  Also,
> > the COFs are
> > turned
> > > in
> > > > for approval but I don't expect and problems
> > there.
> > > >
> > > > Neal
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Get in touch with Tom Maddox jazzaxe@...
He can let you know where we got the trophies.They
have good deals.

Bill
--- nealham <nhamilto@...> wrote:
> Jorge,
>
> I sent a picture of the trophy I have from
> Farmington and the plaque
> I have from Phoenix to you with the original email.
> It is all I
> have for you to go on man.
>
> Neal
>
>
> --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS"
> <jvazquezeks@y...>
> wrote:
> > Neal,
> > you asked me to look into the trophy, awards, sit.
> need to look at
> > what yall have seen out there. send pics. to get
> an idea where to
> get
> > the best deals, and quality.
> >
> > RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his duty I was
> there.As a M.S.
> > History teacher I have difficulty in bringing this
> forth to our
> > youth, gotta get through the girl thing, x-box,
> and rap music, and
> > most of the time I'am not very successfull, but I
> will keep at it.
> > GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can
> congregate,disagree, and
> > have opinions about what IS the best gun and, have
> GREAT gun
> shoots!
> > Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so. Hell, if it
> aint this great,
> > then why does everybody want to be here, and shoot
> guns?
> > I wonder does GOD have a shooting range out there?
> Bet ya he does,
> > and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> > Jorge -IBM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham"
> <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > > Great news everyone,
> > >
> > > Our regional match is now official.  It is
> posted on the IDPA
> web
> > > site under the upcoming major matches.  Also,
> the COFs are
> turned
> > in
> > > for approval but I don't expect and problems
> there.
> > >
> > > Neal
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I sent a picture of the trophy I have from Farmington and the plaque
I have from Phoenix to you with the original email.  It is all I
have for you to go on man.

Neal


--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "jvazquezEKS" <jvazquezeks@y...>
wrote:
> Neal,
> you asked me to look into the trophy, awards, sit. need to look at
> what yall have seen out there. send pics. to get an idea where to
get
> the best deals, and quality.
>
> RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his duty I was there.As a M.S.
> History teacher I have difficulty in bringing this forth to our
> youth, gotta get through the girl thing, x-box, and rap music, and
> most of the time I'am not very successfull, but I will keep at it.
> GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can congregate,disagree, and
> have opinions about what IS the best gun and, have GREAT gun
shoots!
> Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so. Hell, if it aint this great,
> then why does everybody want to be here, and shoot guns?
> I wonder does GOD have a shooting range out there? Bet ya he does,
> and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
> Jorge -IBM
>
>
>
>
> --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham" <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> > Great news everyone,
> >
> > Our regional match is now official.  It is posted on the IDPA
web
> > site under the upcoming major matches.  Also, the COFs are
turned
> in
> > for approval but I don't expect and problems there.
> >
> > Neal

Everyone:

As I sit here in smoggy, SOuthern California for a mandated gathering, with
my lungs gasping for more oxygen and my eyes watering from the chemical
composition that transcends the ozone layer, I have read the recent posts
with great interest.

Rip and I really are good friends, and we harass each other regularly.  And
we respect each other, and we share ideas and many philosophies.
Admittedly, I have almost as many 1911's as Glocks, and I have one more
1911 on the way - more on that later.

The Glock vs. 1911 is going to be a enduring as the .45 vs. 9mm debate has
been, and continues to be.  I say LET IT ROLL!  As far as folks not coming
to shoot with us due to last year's Glock vs. 1911 debate - I say that is
bullshit.  As you all know, I rarely use indelicate words on the net, but
this is used, appropriately, as an emphatic:  BULLSHIT.  Now, thnose people
who don't shoot with us anymore might USE the debate as their excuse, but
MY OPINION is that they didn't train nor practice enough and they didn't
like getting beat every match, so that was the true reason for their
inattendance - not the debate.  Let us not try to dissuade the sharing of
ideas on this site, nor make people believe that left-wing style political
correctness is the expected fare for this site. We don't do it on the range
and we shouldn't do it here.  As gentlemen (and women,) we, as a rule, do
not purposely try to offend.  Some people have done that and, thankfully,
they no longer shoot with us either.  Disagreements are nothing more than
differing opinions that come from different ideas, and as long as manners
stay in play, we should all agree or disagree at will.

So Rip - I respect your ideas and opinions, and I do NOT want you to keep
them to yourself - as misguided as some of them may be!  ;-)  And I would
likely never use a 1911's as a battle gun, and that is OK.  I know that I
have two of my stable that actually work reliably.  You now have two that I
know of.  One is stock and the other has been worked on by a master 'smith.
One of mine has been worked on extensively by some folks as well as by me
over the years, and the other has been worked on by the same master 'smith
that worked on yours.  However, there is NO reason that a NIB gun should be
sent  away to be made reliable.  THAT reflects on the design - because so
many of that design have to be sent in.  There are many rich 1911 'smiths
out there, but it seems that very few support themselves repairing Glocks.
Am I the only one that finds this odd?

So let it be.  According to some, Rip makes good martinis.  I won't drink
the damn things.  Doesn't mean that martinis should or should not be
discussed - or consumed.

Jerry wells brings an inordinate amount of both IDPA and real-world
experience to our little sewing circle.  And he is from an "Alphabet
Agency," so I get to razz him about that.  I must admit that he inquired
about Rip's status on the net rather than automatically launching into a
tirade.  A true gentleman, Mr. Wells.  Class act.

And for the record - Rip has not directly responded to why those 1911's
also have colored coatings upon them...

And Rip makes comment about the Marines now utilizing 1911 guns for battle.
Let us not forget that my fellow Marines were also given Reising sub-guns
once, which were better used as anchors than guns - so it would only go to
reason that they are using 1911's now.  ;-)  Also, Cooper On Handguns is a
good book - for its time.  Cooper was good, for his time.  Some, I'm sorry
- MANY of his thoughts are enduring.  However, I do not believe that all of
them are.  Cooper has also endorsed both the P-35 and the Glock as baattle
pistols - so some writings by him since the publication of his tome may
also need to be read.  Cooper also says that at all times, the shooter, in
battle, will have time to see their sights.  I wonder about that one.  Ask
Jim Cirillo.

And yes folks, Dane Burns actually called me the other day and said that he
has started to work on my Springfield!  ALERT THE MEDIA!  Once he has
completed the work, it will still take 4 to 6 weeks to get the finish done,
but I am interested to see how it turns out.  Never had a true "Custom" gun
built before.  Not exactly, anyway.  Some guns have had some work done to
them.  Some more extensively than others.  Some are still stock, but most
of those guns are Austrian polymer...  Dane said that he puts 500 rounds
through the guns before they leave his shop to insure reliability.  If it
fails once, he tears it down and re-builds it.  I told him that he must go
through LOTS of ammo, since he works on 1911's.  So I will update everyone
as to the progress (or lack thereof) on my Springfield.

Good to hear that LC is gonna get more folks at their match.  That will be
better for us in the long run, I think.

Jorge:  Get with Neal regarding the trophies.

I want everyone to know that Porta-Target repaired and then returned our
hostage tree, with NO CHARGES, to include not charging us for shipping.
They are really great folks, and we decided that we are going to at least
pay the shipping, which is $48.00.  Troy is handling that.  Porta-target
ain't the cheapest, but they are the best.  As you all know, they are my
preference for darn near everything.


OK - Enough rambling for now.




Message: 1
    Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:43:25 -0600
    From: "Rip Raatz" <ripnet@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Rip & Fashion Guns...

Caseless ammo:  I will admit to devoting a couple of years of my life to
the development and manufacure of caseless ammunition.  Tank ammo is
generally caseless since spent brass is somewhat of a pain for the tank
crew.  Also did R&D work on a 25mm round to replace the 20mm round used in
the Vulcan.  Was to be mounted on the F15 Eagle but decision time came
before demonstration of viability.  Also did some work on caseless Squad
Automatic Weapon System (SAWS) that was fun.  Range time was the best part
of the job.  I do not see the advantage of caseless ammo for a pistol
unless it is a binary system of high energy that will require only
projectiles to be loaded.

Back to handgun discussion:  I will admit to being strongly influenced by
the book "Cooper on Handguns".  Read this many years ago, reread it
annually,  find nothing wrong with the logic even with the advent of
"advances" in technology.  If a Glock Purple POS is your thing, go ahead.
Just like girls, everyone has their own preference.  Thank goodness.

Commercial:  My daughter was wondering why the nation honored Ronald
Reagen.  Had to explain him to her.  I will send a copy this to any of you
youngsters who may not have lived through this era.  A great American.

Rip


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I didn't know that some folks were sensitive enough to quit the club over a
discussion of pistol types and preferences.  This is the last place I thought
that one had to be politically correct.  I will my thoughts to myself.
Rip
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: nealham
   To: FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:28 PM
   Subject: [FBIDPA] Re: Rip & Fashion Guns...


   Just when I think we as a club are finally over the stupid 1911 vs
   Glock debate it rears its ugly head yet again.

   Let us remember that the last round of "my gun is better then your
   gun" BS cost us several members who no longer shoot with us.

   Whatever gun you have confidence in and fits your hand best is the
   proper gun for you.  Almost any quality firearm (Charles Daily
   doesn't count!) will work reliably.  Personally I have no use
   whatsoever for Sig, Beretta or Ruger, but that is just my personal
   opinion.  Neither the Sig nor the Ruger fit my hand well and it
   shows in my shooting.  My feeling on the Beretta is based off of my
   experiences carrying it in the military to include in 4 different
   hostile fire zones.  I have not been impressed with either the sorry
   excuse for ammo that the military uses or the pistol itself.
   However, I have watched our buddy Pablo shoot the hell out of his
   Border Patrol Issued Beretta along with one or two other shooters
   who could really make their Berettas sing.

   Very rarely have I seen the pistol be the deciding factor on who won
   a match.  The operator is the key, not the pistol that he or she
   chooses.

   Rip, Dan, Dave and several others grew up with the 1911 and are
   extremely competitant with this platform.

   Oz, Jerry and a couple of other LE type guys have been carrying
   Glocks on a daily basis and are very proficient with them.

   Troy could really make his duty H&K sing, even with that crazy ass
   duty ammo.

   I know personally of one Glockophyle that has a .41 mag revolver as
   his home defense firearm    (GASP) !!!!

   Bottom line:  Shoot what you like to shoot and what fits you best.
   If you want to rely on 93 year old technology then go right ahead.
   I seriously doubt that a BG properly shot with a 93 year old pistol
   will be any less dead then one shot with the cutting edge in pistol
   technology.

   I love my Glocks as much as the next guy.  However, I love the 1911s
   I shoot in SSP and ESP just as much, not to mention my S&W 625 that
   I shoot in SSR.  I would love this one even more though if Troy made
   some revolver neutral stages   :-)

   Add my limited and open guns that I shoot IPSC to this list of guns
   that I love too.

   Whatever gun you want to shoot is fine by me, just bring it along to
   the next match and shoot away.

   See you all at the range.

   Neal


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Neal,
you asked me to look into the trophy, awards, sit. need to look at
what yall have seen out there. send pics. to get an idea where to get
the best deals, and quality.

RIP, agree w/ya, Senor Reagan, did his duty I was there.As a M.S.
History teacher I have difficulty in bringing this forth to our
youth, gotta get through the girl thing, x-box, and rap music, and
most of the time I'am not very successfull, but I will keep at it.
GOD BLESS AMERICA, a country that we can congregate,disagree, and
have opinions about what IS the best gun and, have GREAT gun shoots!
Aint it AWSOME? I definetly think so. Hell, if it aint this great,
then why does everybody want to be here, and shoot guns?
I wonder does GOD have a shooting range out there? Bet ya he does,
and its a blk. powder format. :> :> LOL
Jorge -IBM




--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, "nealham" <nhamilto@e...> wrote:
> Great news everyone,
>
> Our regional match is now official.  It is posted on the IDPA web
> site under the upcoming major matches.  Also, the COFs are turned
in
> for approval but I don't expect and problems there.
>
> Neal

There is no reason for people to quit a club over which gun is best. That's a
very childish way to conduct your life. I was not nasty or accusative and I
would expect others to be respectful as well. I carried a 1911 my first few
years in LE. We did not have Glocks or several of the others to even shoot. I
would respectfully submit that anyone who gets emotional over the 1911 vs. the
Glock or any other gun should no be allowed to come with in 50 yards of any
firearm. They are not stable enough to carry a deadly weapon. You guys don't
know
me very well yet but I can assure you that you will find no cop more second
amendment or pro-right to carry than I. Those of you who take this past a
friendly discussion need to sit down in a dark room and reflect on your life and
its
purpose. If you like the gun you carry, carry it. It's a personal choice.
This club has some very decent people in it. I've not met many I did not like
and
want to spend time with like OZ and many of you others. To those of you who
take this seriously, get a life!  A 1911 in the hands of a fair shooter is not
to be taken lightly. I perfer the Glock because my life has been asked of me
several times and I personally feel it is the best for me.  Stop this fighting
and direct it toward gun grabers like Kerry, the democratic party and Sara
Brady (AKA The Bitch.)

JW


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Speaking of 1911s, is it just coincidence that probably the greatest
President of my life was born in 1911?

Not all old things are obsolete.

Neal

Just when I think we as a club are finally over the stupid 1911 vs
Glock debate it rears its ugly head yet again.

Let us remember that the last round of "my gun is better then your
gun" BS cost us several members who no longer shoot with us.

Whatever gun you have confidence in and fits your hand best is the
proper gun for you.  Almost any quality firearm (Charles Daily
doesn't count!) will work reliably.  Personally I have no use
whatsoever for Sig, Beretta or Ruger, but that is just my personal
opinion.  Neither the Sig nor the Ruger fit my hand well and it
shows in my shooting.  My feeling on the Beretta is based off of my
experiences carrying it in the military to include in 4 different
hostile fire zones.  I have not been impressed with either the sorry
excuse for ammo that the military uses or the pistol itself.
However, I have watched our buddy Pablo shoot the hell out of his
Border Patrol Issued Beretta along with one or two other shooters
who could really make their Berettas sing.

Very rarely have I seen the pistol be the deciding factor on who won
a match.  The operator is the key, not the pistol that he or she
chooses.

Rip, Dan, Dave and several others grew up with the 1911 and are
extremely competitant with this platform.

Oz, Jerry and a couple of other LE type guys have been carrying
Glocks on a daily basis and are very proficient with them.

Troy could really make his duty H&K sing, even with that crazy ass
duty ammo.

I know personally of one Glockophyle that has a .41 mag revolver as
his home defense firearm    (GASP) !!!!

Bottom line:  Shoot what you like to shoot and what fits you best.
If you want to rely on 93 year old technology then go right ahead.
I seriously doubt that a BG properly shot with a 93 year old pistol
will be any less dead then one shot with the cutting edge in pistol
technology.

I love my Glocks as much as the next guy.  However, I love the 1911s
I shoot in SSP and ESP just as much, not to mention my S&W 625 that
I shoot in SSR.  I would love this one even more though if Troy made
some revolver neutral stages   :-)

Add my limited and open guns that I shoot IPSC to this list of guns
that I love too.

Whatever gun you want to shoot is fine by me, just bring it along to
the next match and shoot away.

See you all at the range.

Neal

Caseless ammo:  I will admit to devoting a couple of years of my life to the
development and manufacure of caseless ammunition.  Tank ammo is generally
caseless since spent brass is somewhat of a pain for the tank crew.  Also did
R&D work on a 25mm round to replace the 20mm round used in the Vulcan.  Was to
be mounted on the F15 Eagle but decision time came before demonstration of
viability.  Also did some work on caseless Squad Automatic Weapon System (SAWS)
that was fun.  Range time was the best part of the job.  I do not see the
advantage of caseless ammo for a pistol unless it is a binary system of high
energy that will require only projectiles to be loaded.

Back to handgun discussion:  I will admit to being strongly influenced by the
book "Cooper on Handguns".  Read this many years ago, reread it annually,  find
nothing wrong with the logic even with the advent of "advances" in technology. 
If a Glock Purple POS is your thing, go ahead.  Just like girls, everyone has
their own preference.  Thank goodness.

Commercial:  My daughter was wondering why the nation honored Ronald Reagen. 
Had to explain him to her.  I will send a copy this to any of you youngsters who
may not have lived through this era.  A great American.

Rip
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jvazquezEKS
   To: FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:47 PM
   Subject: [FBIDPA] Re: Rip & Fashion Guns...


   JW,
   majorly great points for the Glock, as an ex RSD our choices were the
   S&W 5900 DAO series, or the Bereta's, most opted for S$W, Bereta WHO?
   However ever popular were the 681,86 wheel guns that our LTS. and
   FTO's prefered, for obvious reasons. Strangly though EP-PD had
   already switched to the G-17,with 147 gr. s.s. ordinance, go figure.
   Shoot my first Glock back in OCT. as a loan of a friend who would NOT
   allow me to be just a specator but a participant, didnt do toooo bad,
   for the first time under the timer, unknown weapon, unknown BG's
   behind me loading mags,talking, and just generally haveing a great
   time scarry huh?
   Went out and purchased me a G-17, the new version w/ the rails, and
   have shot a couple of Hack drills, LOVE IT MAN, and the mags do drop
   w/out having to extract.
   There will always be a special place in my heart for my S&W 5906, and
   581 Rev. and most definetly my Colt 45 C.C., however I too see the
   Glock as the most relable, carefree, dependable weapon out there for
   L.E. personal, and C.C.W. personal.
   Hey, check out the armorers tool, looks like a ball point pen

   Rip, keep up the tradition youre part of the circle, you being not,
   would not have us where we are today, love ya man.
   The next step in the evolution of combat handgunry is caseless ammo
   for handguns, talk about ammo count?

   Jorge -IBM






   --- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, ACModeler@a... wrote:
   > I would have to agree with OZ. But it's nice to see him get ragged
   a little.
   > I carry a Glock 30 and a Glock 21 as my duty weapons. I used to
   think the same
   > as you but over the years I have seen the Glock prove itself and I
   switched
   > from my Sig 220 to the Glock 21 when I was in South America. A Navy
   SEAL I shot
   > with regularly in Bolivia persuaded me to try his Glock and the
   Glock has
   > never failed me in the last five years. I carry the 30 daily and
   use the 21 for
   > raids and such. I love the Sigs also but the Glock is dependable
   and has the
   > capacity one needs when in combat or LE situations. I've also had
   it very dirty
   > from the field and work without failure. So I guess I'm open for
   the ribbing
   > also. As a LE guy I see the Glock as a dependable, easy to maintain
   weapon. Mag
   > capacity gives me the fire power I need when I'm on my own like I
   was in
   > Bolivia with Indian cops I did not trust. The 1911 is wonderful gun
   also but for
   > other than home defense and military it is old technology. Time
   marches on just
   > as with the Colt revolver. Love to shoot the 1911 and Browning Hi-
   power but
   > for carry their technology has been left behind. For you 1911 fans,
   I don't
   > criticize the 1911 at all so don't get your dander up. Carry what
   you want. It
   > depends on what your needs are. For professionals, the Glock is the
   best choice,
   > The Sig second.
   >
   > JW
   >
   > In a message dated 6/11/2004 4:53:04 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
   > ripnet@i... writes:
   > The only time I carried as a LEO was as a Florida Highway Patrol
   Auxillary
   > and that required a S&W ,357 which I still have.  I am just a
   person that enjoys
   > ragging on Chris about being a Glockophile.  I am old fashioned.
   Pistols
   > must be metal and have wooden grips.  He disagrees.
   > Rip
   >
   >
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JW,
majorly great points for the Glock, as an ex RSD our choices were the
S&W 5900 DAO series, or the Bereta's, most opted for S$W, Bereta WHO?
However ever popular were the 681,86 wheel guns that our LTS. and
FTO's prefered, for obvious reasons. Strangly though EP-PD had
already switched to the G-17,with 147 gr. s.s. ordinance, go figure.
Shoot my first Glock back in OCT. as a loan of a friend who would NOT
allow me to be just a specator but a participant, didnt do toooo bad,
for the first time under the timer, unknown weapon, unknown BG's
behind me loading mags,talking, and just generally haveing a great
time scarry huh?
Went out and purchased me a G-17, the new version w/ the rails, and
have shot a couple of Hack drills, LOVE IT MAN, and the mags do drop
w/out having to extract.
There will always be a special place in my heart for my S&W 5906, and
581 Rev. and most definetly my Colt 45 C.C., however I too see the
Glock as the most relable, carefree, dependable weapon out there for
L.E. personal, and C.C.W. personal.
Hey, check out the armorers tool, looks like a ball point pen

Rip, keep up the tradition youre part of the circle, you being not,
would not have us where we are today, love ya man.
The next step in the evolution of combat handgunry is caseless ammo
for handguns, talk about ammo count?

Jorge -IBM






--- In FBIDPA@yahoogroups.com, ACModeler@a... wrote:
> I would have to agree with OZ. But it's nice to see him get ragged
a little.
> I carry a Glock 30 and a Glock 21 as my duty weapons. I used to
think the same
> as you but over the years I have seen the Glock prove itself and I
switched
> from my Sig 220 to the Glock 21 when I was in South America. A Navy
SEAL I shot
> with regularly in Bolivia persuaded me to try his Glock and the
Glock has
> never failed me in the last five years. I carry the 30 daily and
use the 21 for
> raids and such. I love the Sigs also but the Glock is dependable
and has the
> capacity one needs when in combat or LE situations. I've also had
it very dirty
> from the field and work without failure. So I guess I'm open for
the ribbing
> also. As a LE guy I see the Glock as a dependable, easy to maintain
weapon. Mag
> capacity gives me the fire power I need when I'm on my own like I
was in
> Bolivia with Indian cops I did not trust. The 1911 is wonderful gun
also but for
> other than home defense and military it is old technology. Time
marches on just
> as with the Colt revolver. Love to shoot the 1911 and Browning Hi-
power but
> for carry their technology has been left behind. For you 1911 fans,
I don't
> criticize the 1911 at all so don't get your dander up. Carry what
you want. It
> depends on what your needs are. For professionals, the Glock is the
best choice,
> The Sig second.
>
> JW
>
> In a message dated 6/11/2004 4:53:04 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> ripnet@i... writes:
> The only time I carried as a LEO was as a Florida Highway Patrol
Auxillary
> and that required a S&W ,357 which I still have.  I am just a
person that enjoys
> ragging on Chris about being a Glockophile.  I am old fashioned.
Pistols
> must be metal and have wooden grips.  He disagrees.
> Rip
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]