Nothing determines the outcome of a race
as much as a good hill. When the terrain tips up, things begin to
happen. Those who climb well, especially the long climbs, are now in
charge, while everyone else is struggling to catch up. The old saying
is true: If you can’t climb, you can’t race.
"What can I do to climb better?" is the
most common question I hear from riders of all categories. There are
several possible answers depending on the rider’s limiters. Common
limiters for climbing the long hills are strength, weight, muscular
endurance, lactate tolerance, economy and confidence. The following
brief discussion of each may help you ride stronger in the hills if you
first determine which limiter is holding you back the most, and then
focus on improving it before going to the next one.
Limiter: Strength-to-Weight Ratio
There is a close relationship between
body weight and strength and how well you can climb. Even a casual
observer of a bike race will notice that body type seems to play a role
in climbing. Small riders, in both weight and height, usually do well
in the hills. One way to express this phenomenon is in terms of pounds
of body weight per inch of height. Divide your body weight in pounds by
your height in inches to find a gross indicator of climbing potential.
The sidebar, "How Big Is Your Anchor?", offers some generalities about
this relationship that I’ve found in coaching cyclists.
How Big Is Your Anchor?
Divide weight in pounds by height in
inches to find your relative potential for climbing.
Pounds per InchClimbing
Potential
<2 Great potential for climbing
2 - 2.1 Good climbing potential
2.2 - 2.3 Fair climbing potential, work
on strength
2.4 - 2.5 Poor climbing potential, work
on descending
>2.5 Avoid hills
Although losing excess weight will
probably do much to help the average cyclist climb better, there are
downsides to this strategy. Trying to shed pounds quickly, especially
at this time in the season, by greatly reducing calories consumed is
likely to detract not only from your climbing, but also from your
riding in general. Recovery depends largely on getting enough energy in
the form of food back in following long and hard workouts. The best
time to work on dropping unnecessary body fat is during the winter
months, but that’s too late for this season. Perhaps a better way to
attack this challenge now is to work on eliminating the junk food from
your diet. In general, riders eat far too much refined sugar between
meals, most of which ends up as blubber to be hauled up the next climb.
The size of your anchor is not the only
story when it comes to climbing. You can be the smallest rider in the
peloton, but a miserable climber if you don’t have much leg-extension
strength. Effective climbing requires the capacity to produce great
force when the hip, knee and ankle are all straightening out.
Obviously, the smaller you are, the less force you can generate, but
then less is needed since the mass to be lifted isn’t heavy. So the
strength needed to climb is relative to body weight.
One way to measure your leg-extension
strength is in the weight room by doing either the squat or leg-press
exercise. I’ve found that the best climbers can typically squat 1.7
times their body weight a minimum of six times. The minimum goal for
this exercise is about 1.3 times body weight. For the leg press the
numbers are 2.9 times body weight for top climbers with 2.5 as a
minimum.
A great strength-to-weight ratio, by
itself, won’t make you a great climber. This is just the ticket to get
into the dance. It’s a starting point. The following elements are also
necessary for excellence in the hills.
Limiter: Muscular Endurance
The one element of climbing physiology
that has the greatest potential for improving is muscular endurance.
This is the ability to maintain a relatively high work output for a
relatively long time. The easy explanation is that it’s like time
trialing up hill. In a race, the pace on the truly long climbs is
dictated by the muscular endurance of the leaders. Those setting the
tempo are generally just above their lactate thresholds and they know
they can hold that for a long time, as in time trialing. Riding at the
front with them requires good muscular endurance. Your muscles must
resist fatigue under heavy loads for extended periods.
One way to improve this critical ability
is by doing "cruise intervals" on a hill. Find a long hill that takes
six to 12 minutes to climb and is a 4- to 6- percent grade. That’s
about the grade of an interstate overpass. Do three to five repeats on
this hill keeping your heart rate in the range of eight beats below
lactate threshold (LT) to three beats above. (For information on
finding your LT see my story "Straight From the Heart" on the VeloNews
web page — www.Velonews.com). Recover after
each climb for only as long
as it takes to quickly descend. Select a large gear that keeps your
cadence in the range of 60 to 70 rpm, but be careful with your knees.
If you have knee problems, it’s better to skip this workout. Otherwise,
do one a week.
Limiter: Lactate Tolerance
At some point on a long climb, a strong
rider is likely to make a move. This is often the deciding moment in a
race. Those who can match the increased pace and make the break often
have a shot at staying away until the finish. If the leg muscles are
fatiguing rapidly, your chances of being one of them are slim. But if
your muscular endurance is good, stepping up to and maintaining the new
workload is a matter of how good your lactate tolerance is.
During a ride the muscles are always
creating lactic acid as a result of carbohydrate metabolism. This acid
seeps through the muscle-cell walls and gets into the blood stream
where it changes it’s chemical make up and is now called lactate.
Lactate has the potential to cause fatigue. At low levels of intensity,
the body has no trouble dealing with this lactate. But when the
intensity goes well above the LT, so much lactate gets into the blood
that your working muscles are now swimming in the stuff. If your
ability to remove and tolerate that lactate is poor, you are forced to
slow down or even stop.
A workout that may improve your lactate
tolerance is hill repeats. On a hill that takes three to five minutes
to ascend, do four or five climbs. The best hill will be a 6- to
8-percent grade that gets steeper at the top. In the lower part of each
climb, stay in the saddle while rapidly raising your heart rate four to
10 beats above LT. Use a gear that keeps the cadence above 70 rpm. In
the last 30 to 60 seconds of the climb, shift up one gear, stand on the
pedals, and power over the top. In this last part, your heart rate
should exceed LT by 11 or more beats. You’ll now know exactly how
lactate feels.
Recover after each of these intervals
for twice as long as the preceding climb took. For example, after a
three-minute climb, recover for six minutes. This is a highly stressful
workout and should be followed by at least 48 hours of recovery.
After about six of these weekly
workouts, you should begin to see a noticeable improvement in your
ability to speed up on a long climb.
Limiter: Economy
Good climbers are economical on long
hills — they don’t use energy wastefully. Economy essentially is the
ability to recruit the right muscles at exactly the right times to
provide power to the drivetrain, while the other muscles which are no
longer needed are relaxing. The more time you spend climbing while
working on relaxation, the better this skill will become. Climbing when
tired is a sure way to build sloppy habits.
Also, good climbers don’t waste energy
with extraneous rocking of the bike, or flailing of the head, elbows,
hips or knees. Every movement has a singular purpose — powering the
cranks.
Climbing in the saddle is preferable for
bigger riders (2.2 pounds per inch and higher) as it takes less energy,
uses less oxygen and produces lower heart rates than standing.
Occasional standing, however, is necessary to relieve muscle fatigue or
to increase power due to an increase in speed or a sharp change in
grade.
Limiter: Confidence
Not enough can be said about attitude
when it comes to climbing. Those who see themselves as good climbers
relish the thought of making others suffer on the hills. They
understand that it will hurt, but not as much as everyone else. Hills
are opportunities for climbers. "Here’s where I win," they say quietly.
For those who see themselves as non-climbers, the discomfort and pain
of the long hills in races are dreaded ordeals. "This is where I come
off," they lament.
If you want to climb well, your attitude
must back up your training. Work on it every day by reminding yourself
how much you love hills and how much your climbing is improving. You’ve
got to believe.
Joe Friel, M.S., coaches cyclists and
is the author of The Cyclist’s Training Bible.
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At the historic Roswell Visitors Center there is a scroll, Santa's Scroll, that can be signed by any child 15 or under. Upon signing the scroll you will be entered into a drawing for a NEW BICYCLE and bicycle accessories like helmets, water bottles etc. This festive give away is being sponsored by Bike Roswell. We have over 5 bicycles so far that we will be giving away. All you have to do is go visit the Visitor's Center. They have all the information on what to do for the holidays in Roswell, like visiting the decorated historic homes. Last I checked there were only 40 children on the list.
If you know some one that would like to give to the scroll and add to the holiday cheer, have them contact me or bring it to the visitor's center.
nucking futs.
mike
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From: DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of martin
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 3:50 PM
To: dunwoodycycling@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DunwoodyCycling] 530am ride report
probably the coldest biking day i have ridden. 20.6 was the 530am
temperature. surprisingly gary and i were the only ones out. go figure.
i wore a wicking layer, long sleeve jersey, sweatshirt and then a shell,
booties, two tights, balaklava (sp), and home depot yard gloves. i was
quite toasty. the pace was off a bit. i guess potholejumper was correct
about the joints freezing. :)
the one irritating thing about the ride was the frozen sweat on my hair.
i got home and had little icicles on my chin and eyebrows.
the last 1/3 of the ride my toes were very achy as they may have been
frozen. upon getting home they were neither white nor blue just a bit
pale...no frostbite :)
this was an almost 40 mile ride.
ps. the insulated water bottle i use to keep fluids cold in the summer
kept my water from freezing, as it has in the past.
Yahoo! Groups Links
Gentlemen,
That is why they make trainers. 40+ degrees allows for great riding limited
sweat, and great conversation (when <Martin is not taking you up an 18% grade).
I do not have to add Prestone to my water bottle. Life is great. Join the cult
of the warm temperature riders.
Scott
>
> From: "Rob Worsnop" <rworsnop@...>
> Date: 2006/12/09 Sat PM 04:53:35 EST
> To: DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DunwoodyCycling] 530am ride report
>
> I rode on Friday morning in 19 degrees.
>
> I think I'll try and squeeze my toe cover thingies under my booties if
> it's that cold again.
>
> On 12/9/06, martin <martin@...> wrote:
> > probably the coldest biking day i have ridden. 20.6 was the 530am
> > temperature. surprisingly gary and i were the only ones out. go figure.
> > i wore a wicking layer, long sleeve jersey, sweatshirt and then a shell,
> > booties, two tights, balaklava (sp), and home depot yard gloves. i was
> > quite toasty. the pace was off a bit. i guess potholejumper was correct
> > about the joints freezing. :)
> >
> > the one irritating thing about the ride was the frozen sweat on my hair.
> > i got home and had little icicles on my chin and eyebrows.
> > the last 1/3 of the ride my toes were very achy as they may have been
> > frozen. upon getting home they were neither white nor blue just a bit
> > pale...no frostbite :)
> >
> > this was an almost 40 mile ride.
> >
> > ps. the insulated water bottle i use to keep fluids cold in the summer
> > kept my water from freezing, as it has in the past.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
You are my hero. I was wondering if I could have your child?
From: DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of martin Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 3:50 PM To: dunwoodycycling@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DunwoodyCycling] 530am ride report
probably the coldest biking day i have ridden. 20.6 was the 530am temperature. surprisingly gary and i were the only ones out. go figure. i wore a wicking layer, long sleeve jersey, sweatshirt and then a shell, booties, two tights, balaklava (sp), and home depot yard gloves. i was quite toasty. the pace was off a bit. i guess potholejumper was correct about the joints freezing. :)
the one irritating thing about the ride was the frozen sweat on my hair. i got home and had little icicles on my chin and eyebrows. the last 1/3 of the ride my toes were very achy as they may have been frozen. upon getting home they were neither white nor blue just a bit pale...no frostbite :)
this was an almost 40 mile ride.
ps. the insulated water bottle i use to keep fluids cold in the summer kept my water from freezing, as it has in the past.
I rode on Friday morning in 19 degrees.
I think I'll try and squeeze my toe cover thingies under my booties if
it's that cold again.
On 12/9/06, martin <martin@...> wrote:
> probably the coldest biking day i have ridden. 20.6 was the 530am
> temperature. surprisingly gary and i were the only ones out. go figure.
> i wore a wicking layer, long sleeve jersey, sweatshirt and then a shell,
> booties, two tights, balaklava (sp), and home depot yard gloves. i was
> quite toasty. the pace was off a bit. i guess potholejumper was correct
> about the joints freezing. :)
>
> the one irritating thing about the ride was the frozen sweat on my hair.
> i got home and had little icicles on my chin and eyebrows.
> the last 1/3 of the ride my toes were very achy as they may have been
> frozen. upon getting home they were neither white nor blue just a bit
> pale...no frostbite :)
>
> this was an almost 40 mile ride.
>
> ps. the insulated water bottle i use to keep fluids cold in the summer
> kept my water from freezing, as it has in the past.
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
probably the coldest biking day i have ridden. 20.6 was the 530am
temperature. surprisingly gary and i were the only ones out. go figure.
i wore a wicking layer, long sleeve jersey, sweatshirt and then a shell,
booties, two tights, balaklava (sp), and home depot yard gloves. i was
quite toasty. the pace was off a bit. i guess potholejumper was correct
about the joints freezing. :)
the one irritating thing about the ride was the frozen sweat on my hair.
i got home and had little icicles on my chin and eyebrows.
the last 1/3 of the ride my toes were very achy as they may have been
frozen. upon getting home they were neither white nor blue just a bit
pale...no frostbite :)
this was an almost 40 mile ride.
ps. the insulated water bottle i use to keep fluids cold in the summer
kept my water from freezing, as it has in the past.
scott and chris will be hosting another 40+ ride. not age...temperature
at 2:00 tomorrow at dunwoody high school. todays ride was a balmy blast
around camelback.
bring your sunscreen.
From: DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Mitchell Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:04 PM To: DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DunwoodyCycling] Fwd: Merry Christmas
If I don't do the Frazier ride at 7:30 I will join you.
From: DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of O'Neal, Chris Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 6:29 PM To: 'DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [DunwoodyCycling] Fwd: Merry Christmas
A few of us are going to ride 30-40 miles at 11:00 on Saturday. We will meet at DunwoodyHigh School. We would love to have some company.
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If I don't do the Frazier ride at 7:30 I will join you.
From: DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of O'Neal, Chris Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 6:29 PM To: 'DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [DunwoodyCycling] Fwd: Merry Christmas
A few of us are going to ride 30-40 miles at 11:00 on Saturday. We will meet at DunwoodyHigh School. We would love to have some company.
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>
There may be about 5,000 miles of North American continent and Pacific
Ocean between you and Kona, but you're only about 28 hours away from
witnessing the knock-down, drag-out, gut-wrenching, awe-inspiring act
known as the Hawaii Ironman.
Before you get TOO wrapped up gift shopping for the in-laws and
stressing over what to wear to holiday party #632 tonight... give your
inner triathlete the only gift it really wants this year - a seat at
Tri Atlanta's Ironman Veiwing Party Saturday afternoon at 4:00 at
Frankies in Sandy Springs.
The show only lasts from 4:00-6:00 but the life-altering images you'll
see will burn themselves into your psyche so much so that you'll
forever hold the inspiration needed to accomplish your most daring
triathlon goals.
We'll buy you a drink, set you up with some munchies, Emmy Award
Winning NBC coverage blasting on the big screens... this is the way to
do it people. Don't miss out people!
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OTHER december 17th - high noon, back 3 gaps + brasstown, meet at vogel
state
park
please send me any local regular ride info as i will add it here.
maps : www.Dunwoodycycling.com
dont laugh
DETAILS/ONGOING
-Fridays 10:30, brook run, 14-16 mph, 15
miles,
no drop
-Sunday 9:00 chik-fil-a, mt vernon/abernathy, 28 miles?,
16-17 mph. no drop
-Sat 7:30 java u, 38-40 miles, 20
mile option, 15-18 MPH,couple of good climbs)
moderate pace, No-Drop, at 19.5 there is a
water/bathroom/call mom to come get you area.
the below (5:30 rides) are max effort rides.
"No Drop" is not exactly correct. we do regroup
after sustained efforts usually waiting on me).
Expect 20-23+mph pace on some days.
All,
I'll try to send these out on a regular basis.
If you can get out of bed this early and are
looking for a decent workout before you're off to
work and before the kids notice, please join us.
The weather is still good and traffic is
extremely light....oh yeah, its dark
Weekly Ride Schedule 10/17 - 10/23
-Tuesday 10/18 5:30 am Vermack & Womack - 28
miles, 22+ MPH, Pseudo-No Drop
-Thursday 10/20 5:30 am Vermack & Womack - 26
miles, 17-19 MPH, Semi-No Drop
-Saturday 10/22 5:30 am Vermack & Womack - 38
miles No-drop 18-21 MPH, No Drop
-Sunday 10/23 5:30 am Vermack & Womack - 35
miles, 18-19 MPH, No Drop
I used to train with and race against Bob Kassow, He was an amazing cyclist and a great guy. He trained with and coached Phyllis Hines, preparing her for the 96 Olympics in Atlanta. She would have made the team if she hadn't crashed in one of the qualifying road races. Bob will be greatly missed. Alan Bragman
To those who don't know, Bob Kasow has been generally regarded as a cycling 'God' in the Atlanta area. He was both a road rider and a very serious MTB racer. Over the last few years he got into restoring Triumph Automobiles and it was returning from a working session on Saturday that he had his accident.
Those who knew Bob knew him as friendly, helpful, fun, interesting --- just a great guy. He will be missed.
From: DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of God Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:48 AM To: DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DunwoodyCycling] FW: Bob's funeral arrangements
Our own Dunwoody Cycling member, Scott Hudson, has a
new DVD out to help keep you in shape throughout the cold winter
months. I'm not much of a fan myself, but to each his own.
Although not quite a verbal thrashing, confessions from the debts of
ones soul work just as well. Especially when they uncover the true
perverse character of one Martin Balgawitz. Consider yourself back in
the fold.
...to ride around 7:00 a.m. sharp either Friday or Sat. morning (and bring something to warm/melt your sack, which will DEFINITELY be frozen to the frame). But seriously, I dare any of you tough guys [or gals] to get out there between 5-8 a.m. either day!!!
I'm in.
On 12/1/06, dawgfan89@... <dawgfan89@...> wrote:
> Any interested,
>
> Chris and I will be leaving for a ride of around 2 hours at Dunwoody High at
9:30. It is just too cold at 7:30. moderate/brisk pace.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Any interested,
Chris and I will be leaving for a ride of around 2 hours at Dunwoody High at
9:30. It is just too cold at 7:30. moderate/brisk pace.
Scott
Join us this Sunday December 3rd for a mountainbike ride at Fort Mountain
State Park. Meet at CBS at 10:30 am to ride the back roads to the trail
head. Ellijay Mountain bike club will meet at the trailhead at 1:00pm.
18TH ANNUAL NEW YEARS DAY RIDE.
The day begins at 8:00am with coffe and bagles. Big Blow Out Sale on all
shop items from 8:00 am to 10:00 am 50 - 70% off!
We will depart CBS between 10:00 and 10:30 and drive over to Mulberry Gap
Bunkhouse Lodge located off Conasuaga Mulberry Gap - Road (Lake Conasauga
Road and the lodge is located 3 miles west of highway 52.
There will be 2 rides - intermediate and advanced. The Pinhoti and Bear
Creek.
Mulberry Gap Bunk House will provide riders a delicious full traditional New
Year's day meal for $10.00 per person. The facilities here are incredible
including heated bunkhouses, 2 hot tubs and bathroom facilities. The meal
must be paid for in advance to reserve your "seat". Please call the tollfree
number (866)635-1740 or email your reservation directly to DPKeplay@....
Start your New Year's Day off right! For further information or directions
call Mike at CBS (706) 635-2453
In light of the recent discussion, I think it is appropriate to remind
everyone of how to go about making changes to their membership of this
list. Yahoo appends the instructions to each message. I will not
repeat them just scroll down to the bottom. Martin, as the
administrator of the list, can not add or change anyone's email address.
He can remove an address but it is inconsiderate to ask him to do so
when you have ability to make your own changes.
Enough!
All Emails need to be to the point.
Examples would be (ride at Java U at 7:30, distance and speed), upcoming races,
or requests for help on bike related issues. This is not a chat room. Go to
"My space" if you are bored.
Scott
>
> From: "Auden L. Grumet, Esq." <auden@...>
> Date: 2006/11/30 Thu PM 09:17:39 EST
> To: <DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [DunwoodyCycling] Post Content Rumination
>
> I have/did, in fact (long ago), request(ed) that Martin change my email
address to a less "primary" one [and of which I have many].
>
> However, that [change] would do absolutely nothing to solve the problem; even
if it were an internet-based account [which I have, and send/receive through
OE]. That is because I wish to save ALL email [except, obviously, for spam and
such which I manually and intentionally choose to delete]. For example, I
specifically wish to save THIS list's email, as I like to have - as a sort of a
journal to look back on in years to come - a record of everything I write.
>
> So it is NOT in fact a "perfect" case as you suggest. Moreover, I wasn't
complaining about/referring to your or anyone else's video/audio type files - as
I said before - but rather the mundane, repetitive, signature-like graphics
embedded in many of the recent emails [i.e. sponsor pics].
>
> ALG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Powell
> To: dunwoodycycling@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: November 30, 2006 10:09 AM
> Subject: RE: [DunwoodyCycling] DunwoodyCycling - Post Content Rumination
>
>
>
> This is a perfect case for having multiple e-mail accounts. Keep your
business accounts business and recreational accounts for other purposes like
cycling information, socializing, SPAM, or whatever you refer to it as. Yahoo,
Google, Microsoft hotmail and several others all offer free e-mail accounts that
will allow you to archive what you want to archive, delete what you want to
delete and maintain your business e-mail as a business e-mail account with all
of its rules and regulations.
>
> May e-mails with loads of graphics, videos and audio files live forever...
>
> mike
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To: DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com
> From: auden@...
> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:21:54 -0500
> Subject: [DunwoodyCycling] DunwoodyCycling - Post Content Rumination
>
>
> I know, I know; I'm always bitchin'.
>
> But for those of us who like to retain our email(s) [and to some extent,
must, for business purposes; and saving all is much easier than weeding
through], and prefer/benefit by small file sizes - not to mention it helps keep
the system running faster in general; hence the requirement of most true
list-serves for posts to be in plain text - I was wondering if we could keep the
"weighty" graphics, which seem to be showing up in most posts, down to a minimum
[e.g. signatures, "sponsors", etc.](I'm not talking about attachments, scans and
the like, which actually contain content)?
>
> Thoughts, criticisms, rebukes?
>
> ALG
>
> P.S. I assume no one wishes to speak up about the CFA lead, nor does
anyone wish to provide his or her updated contact info.?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: martin balga
> To: DunwoodyCycling@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: November 29, 2006 02:15 PM
> Subject: [DunwoodyCycling] [Fwd: FW: Winter Wonderland Mountain Madness]
>