You guys are missing the point (as usual).....
 
Matt Stairs is a slow-footed, defensively challenged, swing for the fences type
of player. Does the name Jason Dubois ring a bell?
 
My point being that Hendry always seems to insist on a minor league throw-in
whenever he makes a deal. Sounds good in principle, but these throw-ins are
always the castoffs that other teams have given up on.
 
So where do all these minor league castoffs leave the Cubs organization? It
wastes minor league roster spots on players that have either no chance of
becoming major leaguers or very mediocre ones if they actually get called up.
 
Now, with that scenario in place, is it any wonder why the Cub minor league
system has been so lacking in developing position playing prospects that become
good major leaguers?
 
No, it isn't. The fact is that the Cub minor league teams have been loaded with
just the types of players Hendry just acquired.... and it's a waste of their
minor league system's resources that ultimately filters up and negatively
affects the parent club, which necessitates them going the free-agent route to
stock their roster and forces them to sign these long term deals that handcuff
them going forward. Follow the dots.
 
THAT'S the problem I have with bringing Matt Stairs-type players into the
organization. Enough is enough already.

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, Rob Burg <robthecubsfan@...> wrote:


From: Rob Burg <robthecubsfan@...>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Grabow gets $7.5 million, 2-year deal from Cubs
To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 1:24 AM


 





Scott, how the heck can you even pretend to know that?
I understand everyone's disappointment about last season, but we're not even at
the winter meetings yet! This negativity is ridiculous.

And as for a "Matt Stairs" type of player being a bad thing, didn't he lead the
AL in hitting in one season and wasn't he among the top 10 one or two other
seasons? Yeah, that's just awful. I sure hope we didn't pick up a solid hitter.
Stairs was a back-up here and then went on to lead a league in ave. once he was
back to being a full-time player.

From:
"Scott Rendler" <itzscott1@yahoo. com>
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To:
DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com


 

>> Save it for if/when that ends up being our biggest acquisition of the
off-season <<

 

George.....

 

I hate to break it to ya, but this WILL end up being the biggest acquisition
of the off-season.

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Yes- it is just crazy to ask all of that. #1- Soriano is here to stay
for at least another few years- his contract is just that bad and you
know it, so why bother discussing that point at all? And let go of
Roberts already- he is NOT coming to the Cubs!!! So again why even
continue to fantasize about that? And Lilly needing some arm surgery
is just a fact of life. Hopefully he will be even better for having
it done, even though it will delay him. If the team is any good next
season, they will get past his absence and struggles when he comes
back. Lee is going to lead with his actions as he usually does, but
he is not going to become a different person, and suddenly become
more vocal in the clubhouse.

Most of the other things are up to the players if they want to do
them (like Soto being in shape, Z getting his head on straight, etc).
OR if we can find a deal to be made in trading Bradley. These are all
POSSIBLE, but some are more likely than others.

But if all of the things you mentioned happened, we would still lack
the kind of big 1-2 pitchers that you need to be successful in the
Playoffs and World Series...

-Geo

'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"


On Nov 20, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Scott Rendler wrote:

> George....
>
> You know what would make me happy?....
>
> Soriano not being on the Cubs...
>
> Ramirez being healthy for an entire year....
>
> Lee being a leader....
>
> Bradley back in Texas....
>
> Fukudome finally coming to grips with the fact that his helicopter
> swing is really stupid....
>
> Soto working out in the off season and coming to spring training
> really ripped....
>
> Brian Roberts playing 2nd base for the Cubs.....
>
> Marmol being able to spot his pitches....
>
> Zambrano focused and committed....
>
> Lilly not needing shoulder surgery...
>
> Ryan Dempster not making excuses and saying they shoulda done
> whatever to win....
>
> Ryan Theriot getting some range, an arm and learning to run the
> bases.....
>
> Is that too much to ask???
> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...>
> Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Jays contacted Cubs about Halladay?
> To: "*Yahoo Diehard Cubs Fans" <DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 9:42 PM
>
>
>
> According to MLB Trade Rumors the Jays contacted the Cubs about
> trying to trade them Halladay. This would make me happy, very happy.
> The rumor says they would have to part with Castro to make the deal
> work, I dunno. Hard to say no to a top flight pitcher. And the Jays
> have agreed to give potential trade partners a window to work out an
> extension with Halladay too...
>
> -Geo
>
> 'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'
>
> "While the sun yet shines do all you can"
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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And I do seem to remember hearing at one point that people wanted to
run Heilman out of here on a rail he was so bad. Plus reports are
that he was just going to be non-tendered shortly anyway. So we got a
couple of prospects for a guy that we were planning on getting rid of
anyway.

-Geo

'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"


On Nov 21, 2009, at 1:24 AM, Rob Burg wrote:

>
>
> Scott, how the heck can you even pretend to know that?
> I understand everyone's disappointment about last season, but we're
> not even at the winter meetings yet! This negativity is ridiculous.
>
> And as for a "Matt Stairs" type of player being a bad thing, didn't
> he lead the AL in hitting in one season and wasn't he among the top
> 10 one or two other seasons? Yeah, that's just awful. I sure hope
> we didn't pick up a solid hitter.
> Stairs was a back-up here and then went on to lead a league in ave.
> once he was back to being a full-time player.
>
> From:
> "Scott Rendler" <itzscott1@...>
> Add sender to Contacts
>
>
>
> To:
> DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
> >> Save it for if/when that ends up being our biggest acquisition
> of the off-season <<
>
>
>
> George.....
>
>
>
> I hate to break it to ya, but this WILL end up being the biggest
> acquisition of the off-season.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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The version of that I saw first, and was later said to be completely
fabricated, was Bradley to Texas, Millwood to the Mets, and Luis
Castillo to the Cubs from the Mets.

-Geo

'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"


On Nov 20, 2009, at 10:17 PM, A Ploessl wrote:

> There's another one floating around sending Millwood to the Cubs
> for Bradley and Miles.....
> Sent from the planet Mars
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "E. George Mucher III" <fishydude@...>
> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:42:54
> To: *Yahoo Diehard Cubs Fans<DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Jays contacted Cubs about Halladay?
>
> According to MLB Trade Rumors the Jays contacted the Cubs about
> trying to trade them Halladay. This would make me happy, very happy.
> The rumor says they would have to part with Castro to make the deal
> work, I dunno. Hard to say no to a top flight pitcher. And the Jays
> have agreed to give potential trade partners a window to work out an
> extension with Halladay too...
>
> -Geo
>
>
> 'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'
>
> "While the sun yet shines do all you can"
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
>
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>
>



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Quick question... How long ago was stairs a league leader?
Sent from the planet Mars

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Burg <robthecubsfan@...>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:24:00
To: <DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Grabow gets $7.5 million, 2-year deal from Cubs



             Scott, how the heck can you even pretend to know that?
I understand everyone's disappointment about last season, but we're not even at
the winter meetings yet! This negativity is ridiculous.

And as for a "Matt Stairs" type of player being a bad thing, didn't he lead the
AL in hitting in one season and wasn't he among the top 10 one or two other
seasons? Yeah, that's just awful. I sure hope we didn't pick up a solid hitter.
Stairs was a back-up here and then went on to lead a league in ave. once he was
back to being a full-time player.



From:
             "Scott Rendler" <itzscott1@...>
                 Add sender to Contacts



        	 To:
        	 DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com







 









       >> Save it for if/when that ends up being our biggest acquisition of the
off-season <<

 

George.....

 

I hate to break it to ya, but this WILL end up being the biggest acquisition of
the off-season.




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Scott, how the heck can you even pretend to know that?
I understand everyone's disappointment about last season, but we're not even at
the winter meetings yet! This negativity is ridiculous.

And as for a "Matt Stairs" type of player being a bad thing, didn't he lead the
AL in hitting in one season and wasn't he among the top 10 one or two other
seasons? Yeah, that's just awful. I sure hope we didn't pick up a solid hitter.
Stairs was a back-up here and then went on to lead a league in ave. once he was
back to being a full-time player.



From:
             "Scott Rendler" <itzscott1@...>
                 Add sender to Contacts



        	 To:
        	 DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com







 









       >> Save it for if/when that ends up being our biggest acquisition of the
off-season <<

 

George.....

 

I hate to break it to ya, but this WILL end up being the biggest acquisition of
the off-season.




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There's another one floating around sending Millwood to the Cubs for Bradley and
Miles.....
Sent from the planet Mars

-----Original Message-----
From: "E. George Mucher III" <fishydude@...>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:42:54
To: *Yahoo Diehard Cubs Fans<DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Jays contacted Cubs about Halladay?

According to MLB Trade Rumors the Jays contacted the Cubs about
trying to trade them Halladay. This would make me happy, very happy.
The rumor says they would have to part with Castro to make the deal
work, I dunno. Hard to say no to a top flight pitcher. And the Jays
have agreed to give potential trade partners a window to work out an
extension with Halladay too...

-Geo


'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"




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George....
 
You know what would make me happy?....
 
Soriano not being on the Cubs...
 
Ramirez being healthy for an entire year....
 
Lee being a leader....
 
Bradley back in Texas....
 
Fukudome finally coming to grips with the fact that his helicopter swing is
really stupid....
 
Soto working out in the off season and coming to spring training really
ripped....

Brian Roberts playing 2nd base for the Cubs.....
 
Marmol being able to spot his pitches....
 
Zambrano focused and committed....
 
Lilly not needing shoulder surgery...
 
Ryan Dempster not making excuses and saying they shoulda done whatever to
win....
 
Ryan Theriot getting some range, an arm and learning to run the bases.....
 
Is that too much to ask???
--- On Fri, 11/20/09, E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...> wrote:


From: E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...>
Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Jays contacted Cubs about Halladay?
To: "*Yahoo Diehard Cubs Fans" <DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 9:42 PM


 



According to MLB Trade Rumors the Jays contacted the Cubs about
trying to trade them Halladay. This would make me happy, very happy.
The rumor says they would have to part with Castro to make the deal
work, I dunno. Hard to say no to a top flight pitcher. And the Jays
have agreed to give potential trade partners a window to work out an
extension with Halladay too...

-Geo

'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"

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Okay, forget about Grabow's bone chips that'll suddenly begin to bother him now
that he's got a $7.5 million security blanket.....
 
What I'm really excited about is Hendry sending Heilman to the D-Backs for
someone being described as a "Matt Stairs"-type of player!
 
I don't know, but if it was me and I was Jim Hendry I'd kinda be embarassed
trading anybody for a Matt Stairs-type of prospect..... and then being stupid
enough to actually describe this prospect that you traded for as a Matt
Stairs-type of player!
 
But maybe that's just me.

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Charles Baker <CBaker99@...> wrote:


From: Charles Baker <CBaker99@...>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Grabow gets $7.5 million, 2-year deal from Cubs
To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 9:45 PM


 



When I posted that I wasn't stating anything other than the fact that he
had bone chips were concerning to say the lease










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When I posted that I wasn't stating anything other than the fact that he
had bone chips were concerning to say the lease

So he HAS to be a bum then, because he played when they needed him
to? Maybe he is just a guy who works hard? Not impossible to be the
case, we have had SOME hard working players, just not the ones we pay
$10 million per season or more. He makes less than that...

-Geo

'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"


On Nov 20, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Scott Rendler wrote:

> >> When did this guy not go when they needed him to last season?  <<
>
> It was his contract year, man! He woulda gone out there even if
> there was a chance his arm woulda fallen off!
>
> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...>
> Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Grabow gets $7.5 million, 2-year
> deal from Cubs
> To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 9:30 PM
>
> Wheelchair? When did this guy not go when they needed him to last
> season? I read that he is one of the top left-handed free agent
> relievers available. And it is not like he is getting $7.5 million
> PER season. This is a low to no risk situation. We really can't
> afford to lose any relievers now, let alone one that was effective.
> Seriously- you guys need another hobby other than just being the
> "doom and gloom" for the Cubs. Save it for if/when that ends up being
> our biggest acquisition of the off-season...
>
> -Geo
>
> 'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'
>
> "While the sun yet shines do all you can"
>
> On Nov 20, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Scott Rendler wrote:
>
> > >> *Grabow said he'd been pitching with bone chips in his elbow for
> > about
> > three years, but it hasn't been a major issue.* <<
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Ummmmm.... How muchcha wanna bet that it suddenly starts bothering
> > him now that he's signed a $7.5 million contract?
> >
> > Hendry..... Some things never change!! The guy's always had a soft
> > spot for the ones in the wheelchairs.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Charles Baker <CBaker99@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Charles Baker <CBaker99@...>
> > Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Grabow gets $7.5 million, 2-year
> > deal from Cubs
> > To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 7:16 PM
> >
> > Umm the text in bold scares me :)
> >
> > CHICAGO (AP) — Pitcher John Grabow became the first of the 171 free
> > agents to reach agreement on a new deal, getting a $7.5 million,
> > two-year contract Friday from the Chicago Cubs.
> >
> > The 31-year-old left-hander combined to go 3-0 with a 3.36 ERA last
> > season in a career-high 75 relief appearances with the Pittsburgh
> > Pirates and Cubs.
> >
> > ``I pretty much let everyone know before I left there that I
> wanted to
> > come back. It's a good situation for me and my family,'' said
> Grabow,
> > who said he has a house in Arizona where the Cubs conduct spring
> > training.
> >
> > Staying in the NL Central and being with a veteran club were also
> > appealing for Grabow.
> >
> > ``It was kind of a no-brainer,'' he said.
> >
> > He pitched 30 games and had a 3.24 ERA for the Cubs after he was
> > acquired on July 30 along with left-hander Tom Gorzelanny for
> pitchers
> > Jose Ascanio and Kevin Hart, and minor league infielder Josh
> Harrison.
> >
> > Selected by the Pirates in the third round of the 1997 amateur
> draft,
> > Grabow is 20-15 with six saves and a 4.03 ERA in 420 major league
> > relief
> > appearances with the Pirates and Cubs.
> >
> > As one of the Cubs most experienced relievers, Grabow said he has no
> > preference what his role might be.
> >
> > ``If it's the sixth inning or if it's the ninth inning, it doesn't
> > matter. Your job is to go in there and get guys out,'' he said.
> >
> > *Grabow said he'd been pitching with bone chips in his elbow for
> about
> > three years, but it hasn't been a major issue.*
> >
> > ``Throwing a baseball for all these years your arm is going to
> develop
> > different things that are just part of the wear and tear,'' he said.
> > ``It's something you learn to manage and I got a routine I do every
> > day
> > before the game starts to prepare my arm to be able to pitch that
> day
> >
> > Ok so we are giving a older player with a defect 7.5 million.....
> > Le Sigh
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > to go directly to group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/
> > DiehardCubsFans/Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> to go directly to group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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According to MLB Trade Rumors the Jays contacted the Cubs about
trying to trade them Halladay. This would make me happy, very happy.
The rumor says they would have to part with Castro to make the deal
work, I dunno. Hard to say no to a top flight pitcher. And the Jays
have agreed to give potential trade partners a window to work out an
extension with Halladay too...

-Geo


'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"




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>> When did this guy not go when they needed him to last season?  <<
 
It was his contract year, man! He woulda gone out there even if there was a
chance his arm woulda fallen off!

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...> wrote:


From: E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Grabow gets $7.5 million, 2-year deal from Cubs
To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 9:30 PM


Wheelchair? When did this guy not go when they needed him to last 
season? I read that he is one of the top left-handed free agent 
relievers available. And it is not like he is getting $7.5 million 
PER season. This is a low to no risk situation. We really can't 
afford to lose any relievers now, let alone one that was effective. 
Seriously- you guys need another hobby other than just being the 
"doom and gloom" for the Cubs. Save it for if/when that ends up being 
our biggest acquisition of the off-season...

-Geo

'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"


On Nov 20, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Scott Rendler wrote:

> >> *Grabow said he'd been pitching with bone chips in his elbow for 
> about
> three years, but it hasn't been a major issue.* <<
>
> LOL!
>
> Ummmmm.... How muchcha wanna bet that it suddenly starts bothering 
> him now that he's signed a $7.5 million contract?
>
> Hendry..... Some things never change!! The guy's always had a soft 
> spot for the ones in the wheelchairs.
>
> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Charles Baker <CBaker99@...> wrote:
>
> From: Charles Baker <CBaker99@...>
> Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Grabow gets $7.5 million, 2-year 
> deal from Cubs
> To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 7:16 PM
>
> Umm the text in bold scares me :)
>
> CHICAGO (AP) — Pitcher John Grabow became the first of the 171 free
> agents to reach agreement on a new deal, getting a $7.5 million,
> two-year contract Friday from the Chicago Cubs.
>
> The 31-year-old left-hander combined to go 3-0 with a 3.36 ERA last
> season in a career-high 75 relief appearances with the Pittsburgh
> Pirates and Cubs.
>
> ``I pretty much let everyone know before I left there that I wanted to
> come back. It's a good situation for me and my family,'' said Grabow,
> who said he has a house in Arizona where the Cubs conduct spring 
> training.
>
> Staying in the NL Central and being with a veteran club were also
> appealing for Grabow.
>
> ``It was kind of a no-brainer,'' he said.
>
> He pitched 30 games and had a 3.24 ERA for the Cubs after he was
> acquired on July 30 along with left-hander Tom Gorzelanny for pitchers
> Jose Ascanio and Kevin Hart, and minor league infielder Josh Harrison.
>
> Selected by the Pirates in the third round of the 1997 amateur draft,
> Grabow is 20-15 with six saves and a 4.03 ERA in 420 major league 
> relief
> appearances with the Pirates and Cubs.
>
> As one of the Cubs most experienced relievers, Grabow said he has no
> preference what his role might be.
>
> ``If it's the sixth inning or if it's the ninth inning, it doesn't
> matter. Your job is to go in there and get guys out,'' he said.
>
> *Grabow said he'd been pitching with bone chips in his elbow for about
> three years, but it hasn't been a major issue.*
>
> ``Throwing a baseball for all these years your arm is going to develop
> different things that are just part of the wear and tear,'' he said.
> ``It's something you learn to manage and I got a routine I do every 
> day
> before the game starts to prepare my arm to be able to pitch that day
>
> Ok so we are giving a older player with a defect 7.5 million..... 
> Le Sigh
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> to go directly to group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/
> DiehardCubsFans/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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>> Save it for if/when that ends up being our biggest acquisition of the
off-season <<
 
George.....
 
I hate to break it to ya, but this WILL end up being the biggest acquisition
of the off-season. (although I think Ed Lynch being finally tossed is really the
biggest addition by subtraction).
 
I love John Grabow.
 

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...> wrote:


From: E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Grabow gets $7.5 million, 2-year deal from Cubs
To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 9:30 PM


Wheelchair? When did this guy not go when they needed him to last 
season? I read that he is one of the top left-handed free agent 
relievers available. And it is not like he is getting $7.5 million 
PER season. This is a low to no risk situation. We really can't 
afford to lose any relievers now, let alone one that was effective. 
Seriously- you guys need another hobby other than just being the 
"doom and gloom" for the Cubs. Save it for if/when that ends up being 
our biggest acquisition of the off-season...

-Geo

'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"


On Nov 20, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Scott Rendler wrote:

> >> *Grabow said he'd been pitching with bone chips in his elbow for 
> about
> three years, but it hasn't been a major issue.* <<
>
> LOL!
>
> Ummmmm.... How muchcha wanna bet that it suddenly starts bothering 
> him now that he's signed a $7.5 million contract?
>
> Hendry..... Some things never change!! The guy's always had a soft 
> spot for the ones in the wheelchairs.
>
> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Charles Baker <CBaker99@...> wrote:
>
> From: Charles Baker <CBaker99@...>
> Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Grabow gets $7.5 million, 2-year 
> deal from Cubs
> To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 7:16 PM
>
> Umm the text in bold scares me :)
>
> CHICAGO (AP) — Pitcher John Grabow became the first of the 171 free
> agents to reach agreement on a new deal, getting a $7.5 million,
> two-year contract Friday from the Chicago Cubs.
>
> The 31-year-old left-hander combined to go 3-0 with a 3.36 ERA last
> season in a career-high 75 relief appearances with the Pittsburgh
> Pirates and Cubs.
>
> ``I pretty much let everyone know before I left there that I wanted to
> come back. It's a good situation for me and my family,'' said Grabow,
> who said he has a house in Arizona where the Cubs conduct spring 
> training.
>
> Staying in the NL Central and being with a veteran club were also
> appealing for Grabow.
>
> ``It was kind of a no-brainer,'' he said.
>
> He pitched 30 games and had a 3.24 ERA for the Cubs after he was
> acquired on July 30 along with left-hander Tom Gorzelanny for pitchers
> Jose Ascanio and Kevin Hart, and minor league infielder Josh Harrison.
>
> Selected by the Pirates in the third round of the 1997 amateur draft,
> Grabow is 20-15 with six saves and a 4.03 ERA in 420 major league 
> relief
> appearances with the Pirates and Cubs.
>
> As one of the Cubs most experienced relievers, Grabow said he has no
> preference what his role might be.
>
> ``If it's the sixth inning or if it's the ninth inning, it doesn't
> matter. Your job is to go in there and get guys out,'' he said.
>
> *Grabow said he'd been pitching with bone chips in his elbow for about
> three years, but it hasn't been a major issue.*
>
> ``Throwing a baseball for all these years your arm is going to develop
> different things that are just part of the wear and tear,'' he said.
> ``It's something you learn to manage and I got a routine I do every 
> day
> before the game starts to prepare my arm to be able to pitch that day
>
> Ok so we are giving a older player with a defect 7.5 million..... 
> Le Sigh
>
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Wheelchair? When did this guy not go when they needed him to last
season? I read that he is one of the top left-handed free agent
relievers available. And it is not like he is getting $7.5 million
PER season. This is a low to no risk situation. We really can't
afford to lose any relievers now, let alone one that was effective.
Seriously- you guys need another hobby other than just being the
"doom and gloom" for the Cubs. Save it for if/when that ends up being
our biggest acquisition of the off-season...

-Geo

'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"


On Nov 20, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Scott Rendler wrote:

> >> *Grabow said he'd been pitching with bone chips in his elbow for
> about
> three years, but it hasn't been a major issue.* <<
>
> LOL!
>
> Ummmmm.... How muchcha wanna bet that it suddenly starts bothering
> him now that he's signed a $7.5 million contract?
>
> Hendry..... Some things never change!! The guy's always had a soft
> spot for the ones in the wheelchairs.
>
> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Charles Baker <CBaker99@...> wrote:
>
> From: Charles Baker <CBaker99@...>
> Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Grabow gets $7.5 million, 2-year
> deal from Cubs
> To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 7:16 PM
>
> Umm the text in bold scares me :)
>
> CHICAGO (AP) — Pitcher John Grabow became the first of the 171 free
> agents to reach agreement on a new deal, getting a $7.5 million,
> two-year contract Friday from the Chicago Cubs.
>
> The 31-year-old left-hander combined to go 3-0 with a 3.36 ERA last
> season in a career-high 75 relief appearances with the Pittsburgh
> Pirates and Cubs.
>
> ``I pretty much let everyone know before I left there that I wanted to
> come back. It's a good situation for me and my family,'' said Grabow,
> who said he has a house in Arizona where the Cubs conduct spring
> training.
>
> Staying in the NL Central and being with a veteran club were also
> appealing for Grabow.
>
> ``It was kind of a no-brainer,'' he said.
>
> He pitched 30 games and had a 3.24 ERA for the Cubs after he was
> acquired on July 30 along with left-hander Tom Gorzelanny for pitchers
> Jose Ascanio and Kevin Hart, and minor league infielder Josh Harrison.
>
> Selected by the Pirates in the third round of the 1997 amateur draft,
> Grabow is 20-15 with six saves and a 4.03 ERA in 420 major league
> relief
> appearances with the Pirates and Cubs.
>
> As one of the Cubs most experienced relievers, Grabow said he has no
> preference what his role might be.
>
> ``If it's the sixth inning or if it's the ninth inning, it doesn't
> matter. Your job is to go in there and get guys out,'' he said.
>
> *Grabow said he'd been pitching with bone chips in his elbow for about
> three years, but it hasn't been a major issue.*
>
> ``Throwing a baseball for all these years your arm is going to develop
> different things that are just part of the wear and tear,'' he said.
> ``It's something you learn to manage and I got a routine I do every
> day
> before the game starts to prepare my arm to be able to pitch that day
>
> Ok so we are giving a older player with a defect 7.5 million.....
> Le Sigh
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
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>
>



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>> *Grabow said he'd been pitching with bone chips in his elbow for about
three years, but it hasn't been a major issue.* <<
 
LOL!
 
Ummmmm.... How muchcha wanna bet that it suddenly starts bothering him now that
he's signed a $7.5 million contract?
 
Hendry..... Some things never change!! The guy's always had a soft spot for the
ones in the wheelchairs.
 
--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Charles Baker <CBaker99@...> wrote:


From: Charles Baker <CBaker99@...>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Grabow gets $7.5 million, 2-year deal from Cubs
To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 7:16 PM


Umm the text in bold scares me :)


CHICAGO (AP) — Pitcher John Grabow became the first of the 171 free
agents to reach agreement on a new deal, getting a $7.5 million,
two-year contract Friday from the Chicago Cubs.

The 31-year-old left-hander combined to go 3-0 with a 3.36 ERA last
season in a career-high 75 relief appearances with the Pittsburgh
Pirates and Cubs.

``I pretty much let everyone know before I left there that I wanted to
come back. It's a good situation for me and my family,'' said Grabow,
who said he has a house in Arizona where the Cubs conduct spring training.

Staying in the NL Central and being with a veteran club were also
appealing for Grabow.

``It was kind of a no-brainer,'' he said.

He pitched 30 games and had a 3.24 ERA for the Cubs after he was
acquired on July 30 along with left-hander Tom Gorzelanny for pitchers
Jose Ascanio and Kevin Hart, and minor league infielder Josh Harrison.

Selected by the Pirates in the third round of the 1997 amateur draft,
Grabow is 20-15 with six saves and a 4.03 ERA in 420 major league relief
appearances with the Pirates and Cubs.

As one of the Cubs most experienced relievers, Grabow said he has no
preference what his role might be.

``If it's the sixth inning or if it's the ninth inning, it doesn't
matter. Your job is to go in there and get guys out,'' he said.

*Grabow said he'd been pitching with bone chips in his elbow for about
three years, but it hasn't been a major issue.*

``Throwing a baseball for all these years your arm is going to develop
different things that are just part of the wear and tear,'' he said.
``It's something you learn to manage and I got a routine I do every day
before the game starts to prepare my arm to be able to pitch that day




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Umm the text in bold scares me :)


CHICAGO (AP) — Pitcher John Grabow became the first of the 171 free
agents to reach agreement on a new deal, getting a $7.5 million,
two-year contract Friday from the Chicago Cubs.

The 31-year-old left-hander combined to go 3-0 with a 3.36 ERA last
season in a career-high 75 relief appearances with the Pittsburgh
Pirates and Cubs.

``I pretty much let everyone know before I left there that I wanted to
come back. It's a good situation for me and my family,'' said Grabow,
who said he has a house in Arizona where the Cubs conduct spring training.

Staying in the NL Central and being with a veteran club were also
appealing for Grabow.

``It was kind of a no-brainer,'' he said.

He pitched 30 games and had a 3.24 ERA for the Cubs after he was
acquired on July 30 along with left-hander Tom Gorzelanny for pitchers
Jose Ascanio and Kevin Hart, and minor league infielder Josh Harrison.

Selected by the Pirates in the third round of the 1997 amateur draft,
Grabow is 20-15 with six saves and a 4.03 ERA in 420 major league relief
appearances with the Pirates and Cubs.

As one of the Cubs most experienced relievers, Grabow said he has no
preference what his role might be.

``If it's the sixth inning or if it's the ninth inning, it doesn't
matter. Your job is to go in there and get guys out,'' he said.

*Grabow said he'd been pitching with bone chips in his elbow for about
three years, but it hasn't been a major issue.*

``Throwing a baseball for all these years your arm is going to develop
different things that are just part of the wear and tear,'' he said.
``It's something you learn to manage and I got a routine I do every day
before the game starts to prepare my arm to be able to pitch that day




Ok so we are giving a older player with a defect 7.5 million..... Le Sigh

The Cubs traded reliever Aaron Heilman to the Diamondbacks on Thursday for two
minor league prospects while closing in on a two-year deal with John Grabow.

Heilman, 31, was dealt for left-handed reliever Scott Maine, a sixth-round pick
in 2007 out of the University of Miami, and first baseman Ryne White, a St. Rita
High School and Purdue product.

The Cubs were likely to non-tender Heilman next month, and the Diamondbacks were
in need of right-handed relief pitching, making it a good swap for both teams.
Maine, 24, was 4-5 with seven saves and a 2.90 earned-run average at Double-A
and Triple-A last year, while White, 23, hit .266 with 52 RBIs at Class A
Visalia.

The Cubs and Grabow are expected to announce a two-year, $7.5 million deal on
Friday. Hendry declined to comment on the deal, other than to say, "We're not
too far from wrapping up" the left-handed reliever.

Heilman was expendable because of the improvement of Angel Guzman as a
right-handed set-up man. Hendry also envisions Esmailin Caridad contributing in
late-inning relief next year and said the club has "volume" in the bullpen.

Heilman was 4-4 with a 4.11 ERA in his one season with the Cubs. Manager Lou
Piniella referred to him as "Heidelman" early on when the reliever was walking
hitters, a sign Heilman's career in Chicago would be short. He posted a
respectable 3.82 ERA after the All-Star break but was not considered a part of
the Cubs' future.

Hendry called White a "Matt Stairs type of guy" who can play left field and
first base and said the Cubs considered drafting Maine out of college. As for
the youth of the Cubs' bullpen, Hendry said he still may add to it this
offseason.

 
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=336048&src=152


--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Jael Sisera <spydurqueen@...> wrote:


From: Jael Sisera <spydurqueen@...>
Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Re: The new coach is in...
To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 2:29 PM


 



Michael-I don't think anyone can really predict how the Cubs upcoming season
will go. Hopefully with Jaramillo as the new hitting coach we can put this past
season behind us. Jaramillo worked wonders with some of the players during his
years as Texas Rangers' hitting coach. Hopefully he can produce the same magic
with this Cubs team.-Jael

--- In DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com, "michael_hansen2802 5" <mgtoysnjoys@
...> wrote:
>
> Hello George: This will only be the tip of a new iceberg for the Cubs. The
next 4 months will give volumes as to changes for the better. Last season
(especially the double header I sat through at Wrigley) was a real downer but I
feel this new season will bring something none of us are accustomed to in the
way things will happen.
> Hope I am correct for once. I have not been correct for the past 62 seasons
and need to get better at predicting the Cubs upcoming season.
> It makes no difference in how any of us feel about what happens to this club
each year other than WE CONTINUALLY STAY THEIR FANS TO THE BITTER END. Keep up
the faith. This change already looks good and not just on paper. He is really
that good a hitting coach. GO CUBS IN 2010. Soon to be a 63 Year Cub Fan and
still optimistic.
>
> --- In DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com, "E. George Mucher III" <fishydude@>
wrote:
> >
> > Well it is settled, Jaramillo is the new Cubs hitting coach. All I
> > can say is- it can't hurt. In fact I think he should start coaching
> > them all right now, and throughout the entire off-season. I think we
> > should all chip in and send him a copy of the Rosetta Stone language
> > application to learn Japanese so he can help Fukudome better also. We
> > have so many players that need hitting help it isn't funny.
> >
> > Now- who wants to lay the odds on this being the biggest deal we make
> > this off-season or not???
> >
> > -Geo
> >
> > 'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'
> >
> > "While the sun yet shines do all you can"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>











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Michael-I don't think anyone can really predict how the Cubs upcoming season
will go. Hopefully with Jaramillo as the new hitting coach we can put this past
season behind us. Jaramillo worked wonders with some of the players during his
years as Texas Rangers' hitting coach. Hopefully he can produce the same magic
with this Cubs team.-Jael






--- In DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com, "michael_hansen28025" <mgtoysnjoys@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello George:  This will only be the tip of a new iceberg for the Cubs. The
next 4 months will give volumes as to changes for the better.  Last season
(especially the double header I sat through at Wrigley) was a real downer but I
feel this new season will bring something none of us are accustomed to in the
way things will happen.
> Hope I am correct for once. I have not been correct for the past 62 seasons
and need to get better at predicting the Cubs upcoming season.
> It makes no difference in how any of us feel about what happens to this club
each year other than WE CONTINUALLY STAY THEIR FANS TO THE BITTER END.  Keep up
the faith. This change already looks good and not just on paper. He is really
that good a hitting coach. GO CUBS IN 2010. Soon to be a 63 Year Cub Fan and
still optimistic.
>
> --- In DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com, "E. George Mucher III" <fishydude@>
wrote:
> >
> > Well it is settled, Jaramillo is the new Cubs hitting coach. All I
> > can say is- it can't hurt. In fact I think he should start coaching
> > them all right now, and throughout the entire off-season. I think we
> > should all chip in and send him a copy of the Rosetta Stone language
> > application to learn Japanese so he can help Fukudome better also. We
> > have so many players that need hitting help it isn't funny.
> >
> > Now- who wants to lay the odds on this being the biggest deal we make
> > this off-season or not???
> >
> > -Geo
> >
> > 'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'
> >
> > "While the sun yet shines do all you can"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Only if there was some guarantee that we could have Holliday for more than 2
years.

Frank
-Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission-

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...> wrote:


From: E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 1:05 PM


So you would make the trade for Vitters and Castro then?

-Geo

'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"


On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Frank Martinek wrote:

> Near the end of his time in Boston, Crisp was at best a platoon/
> late game player.  At this point of his carrer he's a 4th OF at best.
>
> With Granderson's problems hitting lefties, I don't want to add him 
> to a team that already has problems with LH pitching.
>
> Holliday for Vitters, Castro & Marmol?  NO.  Who would you have 
> pitch for the 8th or 9th?  Plus I would want a guarantee that we 
> will have Holliday for more than just this year & next.
>
> Frank
> -Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission-
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...> 
> wrote:
>
> From: E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...>
> Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 12:12 PM
>
> Figgins is going to be VERY pricey, and what I have heard is that
> payroll will go up to $145 million, so I don't know that it will
> allow a Figgins type signing. If we are going to spend that much, I
> would rather see it go to a top starter like Lackey, or the like (not
> sure if there is anyone really close after Lackey except via trade).
> How about this- would you trade Vitters and Castro for Roy Halladay?
> What if it took Vitters, Castro and Marmol?
>
> I also think I like the Byrd idea better, although Granderson would
> be via trade, and would likely include Bradley. So depending on the
> details, I might change my mind on that. I also just read that Coca
> Crisp is not likely to be resigned, so what about him for center
> field? Granderson would just be like another Soriano- leadoff guy
> that strikes out a lot.
>
> -Geo
>
> 'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'
>
> "While the sun yet shines do all you can"
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Frank Martinek wrote:
>
> > I don't think I would touch Granderson.  In 180 AB agianst lefties
> > last year he hit a whopping .183 with only 2 HR & 9 RBI's.  He also
> > strikes out a LOT.
> >
> > I like the prospect of getting Byrd a lot better, his splits are
> > LH: .244 - 9 - 30 & RH: .300 - 13 - 59 and his strikeouts are less
> > than Granderson.  He's not the lead-off player like Figgins but I
> > think that Figgins will come at a very heavy price.  A price I
> > would gladly pay but will Hendry?
> >
> > Frank
> > -Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission-
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...>
> > Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> > To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 11:07 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Granderson? I dunno.... doesn't a rumor like that reek of Brian
> > Roberts a couple years ago & Jake Peavy last year?? Same game,
> > different name this year.
> >
> > Besides, Hendry isn't a trader.... he's a signer. I have a hard
> > time believing that Hendry would make a trade involving Marmol &
> > Starlin Castro. It's sooo much more likely and easier for him to
> > sign Marlon Byrd and keep both Marmol & Castro.
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Scott Rendler <itzscott1@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> > To: DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:48 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > I wouldn't mind Byrd at this point in exchange for Bradley. It
> > could work out for both teams.... Bradley would be back with Ron
> > Washington and the Cubs would get a center fielder that could
> > provide some offense and defense.
> >
> > If the Cubs pay half of Bradley's salary and can sign Byrd for $10
> > million for 2 years (he made $3.1 million last year), they'd be no
> > worse off than they originally budgeted
> >
> > Here's something from the Ft. Worth newspaper (Looks like they like
> > him there, he's missed and where he belongs):
> >
> > "The Rangers met with the Cubs about acquiring Milton Bradley, who
> > has fallen out of favor in Chicago only a season after becoming a
> > first-time All-Star in Arlington. But the Rangers won’t be able to
> > take on Bradley unless the Cubs agree to pay at least half of the
> > $20 million owed to him over the next two seasons.
> >
> > Bradley, who led the American League in on-base percentage in 2008,
> > isn’t available in the upcoming free-agent pool. He would be quite
> > a bargain at $5 million a year if he were able to repeat his 2008
> > production, and his patience at the plate could have a trickle-down
> > effect on the rest of the lineup.
> >
> > "You can argue that type of a presence, that type of approach is
> > contagious," Daniels said. "We missed that production, but we
> > missed it from some of the other guys, too."
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Azbearfan34@ cox.net <Azbearfan34@ cox.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Azbearfan34@ cox.net <Azbearfan34@ cox.net>
> > Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> > To: "DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com" <DiehardCubsFans@
> > yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:30 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > I read that our main focus right now appears to be CF Marlon Byrd.
> > Cannot say I am too excited by that. Granderson might be nice, but
> > I do not think he is a great avg guy or obp guy so probably not a
> > lead off hiter for us. CF defense would be set, however.
> >
> > Nat
>
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So you would make the trade for Vitters and Castro then?

-Geo

'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"


On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Frank Martinek wrote:

> Near the end of his time in Boston, Crisp was at best a platoon/
> late game player.  At this point of his carrer he's a 4th OF at best.
>
> With Granderson's problems hitting lefties, I don't want to add him
> to a team that already has problems with LH pitching.
>
> Holliday for Vitters, Castro & Marmol?  NO.  Who would you have
> pitch for the 8th or 9th?  Plus I would want a guarantee that we
> will have Holliday for more than just this year & next.
>
> Frank
> -Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission-
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...>
> wrote:
>
> From: E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...>
> Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 12:12 PM
>
> Figgins is going to be VERY pricey, and what I have heard is that
> payroll will go up to $145 million, so I don't know that it will
> allow a Figgins type signing. If we are going to spend that much, I
> would rather see it go to a top starter like Lackey, or the like (not
> sure if there is anyone really close after Lackey except via trade).
> How about this- would you trade Vitters and Castro for Roy Halladay?
> What if it took Vitters, Castro and Marmol?
>
> I also think I like the Byrd idea better, although Granderson would
> be via trade, and would likely include Bradley. So depending on the
> details, I might change my mind on that. I also just read that Coca
> Crisp is not likely to be resigned, so what about him for center
> field? Granderson would just be like another Soriano- leadoff guy
> that strikes out a lot.
>
> -Geo
>
> 'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'
>
> "While the sun yet shines do all you can"
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Frank Martinek wrote:
>
> > I don't think I would touch Granderson.  In 180 AB agianst lefties
> > last year he hit a whopping .183 with only 2 HR & 9 RBI's.  He also
> > strikes out a LOT.
> >
> > I like the prospect of getting Byrd a lot better, his splits are
> > LH: .244 - 9 - 30 & RH: .300 - 13 - 59 and his strikeouts are less
> > than Granderson.  He's not the lead-off player like Figgins but I
> > think that Figgins will come at a very heavy price.  A price I
> > would gladly pay but will Hendry?
> >
> > Frank
> > -Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission-
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...>
> > Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> > To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 11:07 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Granderson? I dunno.... doesn't a rumor like that reek of Brian
> > Roberts a couple years ago & Jake Peavy last year?? Same game,
> > different name this year.
> >
> > Besides, Hendry isn't a trader.... he's a signer. I have a hard
> > time believing that Hendry would make a trade involving Marmol &
> > Starlin Castro. It's sooo much more likely and easier for him to
> > sign Marlon Byrd and keep both Marmol & Castro.
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Scott Rendler <itzscott1@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> > To: DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:48 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > I wouldn't mind Byrd at this point in exchange for Bradley. It
> > could work out for both teams.... Bradley would be back with Ron
> > Washington and the Cubs would get a center fielder that could
> > provide some offense and defense.
> >
> > If the Cubs pay half of Bradley's salary and can sign Byrd for $10
> > million for 2 years (he made $3.1 million last year), they'd be no
> > worse off than they originally budgeted
> >
> > Here's something from the Ft. Worth newspaper (Looks like they like
> > him there, he's missed and where he belongs):
> >
> > "The Rangers met with the Cubs about acquiring Milton Bradley, who
> > has fallen out of favor in Chicago only a season after becoming a
> > first-time All-Star in Arlington. But the Rangers won’t be able to
> > take on Bradley unless the Cubs agree to pay at least half of the
> > $20 million owed to him over the next two seasons.
> >
> > Bradley, who led the American League in on-base percentage in 2008,
> > isn’t available in the upcoming free-agent pool. He would be quite
> > a bargain at $5 million a year if he were able to repeat his 2008
> > production, and his patience at the plate could have a trickle-down
> > effect on the rest of the lineup.
> >
> > "You can argue that type of a presence, that type of approach is
> > contagious," Daniels said. "We missed that production, but we
> > missed it from some of the other guys, too."
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Azbearfan34@ cox.net <Azbearfan34@ cox.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Azbearfan34@ cox.net <Azbearfan34@ cox.net>
> > Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> > To: "DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com" <DiehardCubsFans@
> > yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:30 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > I read that our main focus right now appears to be CF Marlon Byrd.
> > Cannot say I am too excited by that. Granderson might be nice, but
> > I do not think he is a great avg guy or obp guy so probably not a
> > lead off hiter for us. CF defense would be set, however.
> >
> > Nat
>
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Near the end of his time in Boston, Crisp was at best a platoon/late game
player.  At this point of his carrer he's a 4th OF at best.
 
With Granderson's problems hitting lefties, I don't want to add him to a team
that already has problems with LH pitching.
 
Holliday for Vitters, Castro & Marmol?  NO.  Who would you have pitch for the
8th or 9th?  Plus I would want a guarantee that we will have Holliday for more
than just this year & next.

Frank
-Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission-

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...> wrote:


From: E. George Mucher III <fishydude@...>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 12:12 PM


Figgins is going to be VERY pricey, and what I have heard is that 
payroll will go up to $145 million, so I don't know that it will 
allow a Figgins type signing. If we are going to spend that much, I 
would rather see it go to a top starter like Lackey, or the like (not 
sure if there is anyone really close after Lackey except via trade). 
How about this- would you trade Vitters and Castro for Roy Halladay? 
What if it took Vitters, Castro and Marmol?

I also think I like the Byrd idea better, although Granderson would 
be via trade, and would likely include Bradley. So depending on the 
details, I might change my mind on that. I also just read that Coca 
Crisp is not likely to be resigned, so what about him for center 
field? Granderson would just be like another Soriano- leadoff guy 
that strikes out a lot.

-Geo

'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"


On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Frank Martinek wrote:

> I don't think I would touch Granderson.  In 180 AB agianst lefties 
> last year he hit a whopping .183 with only 2 HR & 9 RBI's.  He also 
> strikes out a LOT.
>
> I like the prospect of getting Byrd a lot better, his splits are 
> LH: .244 - 9 - 30 & RH: .300 - 13 - 59 and his strikeouts are less 
> than Granderson.  He's not the lead-off player like Figgins but I 
> think that Figgins will come at a very heavy price.  A price I 
> would gladly pay but will Hendry?
>
> Frank
> -Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission-
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...> wrote:
>
> From: Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...>
> Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 11:07 PM
>
>
>
> Granderson? I dunno.... doesn't a rumor like that reek of Brian 
> Roberts a couple years ago & Jake Peavy last year?? Same game, 
> different name this year.
>
> Besides, Hendry isn't a trader.... he's a signer. I have a hard 
> time believing that Hendry would make a trade involving Marmol & 
> Starlin Castro. It's sooo much more likely and easier for him to 
> sign Marlon Byrd and keep both Marmol & Castro.
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Scott Rendler <itzscott1@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> To: DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:48 PM
>
>
>
> I wouldn't mind Byrd at this point in exchange for Bradley. It 
> could work out for both teams.... Bradley would be back with Ron 
> Washington and the Cubs would get a center fielder that could 
> provide some offense and defense.
>
> If the Cubs pay half of Bradley's salary and can sign Byrd for $10 
> million for 2 years (he made $3.1 million last year), they'd be no 
> worse off than they originally budgeted
>
> Here's something from the Ft. Worth newspaper (Looks like they like 
> him there, he's missed and where he belongs):
>
> "The Rangers met with the Cubs about acquiring Milton Bradley, who 
> has fallen out of favor in Chicago only a season after becoming a 
> first-time All-Star in Arlington. But the Rangers won’t be able to 
> take on Bradley unless the Cubs agree to pay at least half of the 
> $20 million owed to him over the next two seasons.
>
> Bradley, who led the American League in on-base percentage in 2008, 
> isn’t available in the upcoming free-agent pool. He would be quite 
> a bargain at $5 million a year if he were able to repeat his 2008 
> production, and his patience at the plate could have a trickle-down 
> effect on the rest of the lineup.
>
> "You can argue that type of a presence, that type of approach is 
> contagious," Daniels said. "We missed that production, but we 
> missed it from some of the other guys, too."
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Azbearfan34@ cox.net <Azbearfan34@ cox.net> 
> wrote:
>
> From: Azbearfan34@ cox.net <Azbearfan34@ cox.net>
> Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> To: "DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com" <DiehardCubsFans@ 
> yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:30 PM
>
>
>
> I read that our main focus right now appears to be CF Marlon Byrd. 
> Cannot say I am too excited by that. Granderson might be nice, but 
> I do not think he is a great avg guy or obp guy so probably not a 
> lead off hiter for us. CF defense would be set, however.
>
> Nat


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Figgins is going to be VERY pricey, and what I have heard is that
payroll will go up to $145 million, so I don't know that it will
allow a Figgins type signing. If we are going to spend that much, I
would rather see it go to a top starter like Lackey, or the like (not
sure if there is anyone really close after Lackey except via trade).
How about this- would you trade Vitters and Castro for Roy Halladay?
What if it took Vitters, Castro and Marmol?

I also think I like the Byrd idea better, although Granderson would
be via trade, and would likely include Bradley. So depending on the
details, I might change my mind on that. I also just read that Coca
Crisp is not likely to be resigned, so what about him for center
field? Granderson would just be like another Soriano- leadoff guy
that strikes out a lot.

-Geo

'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'

"While the sun yet shines do all you can"


On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Frank Martinek wrote:

> I don't think I would touch Granderson.  In 180 AB agianst lefties
> last year he hit a whopping .183 with only 2 HR & 9 RBI's.  He also
> strikes out a LOT.
>
> I like the prospect of getting Byrd a lot better, his splits are
> LH: .244 - 9 - 30 & RH: .300 - 13 - 59 and his strikeouts are less
> than Granderson.  He's not the lead-off player like Figgins but I
> think that Figgins will come at a very heavy price.  A price I
> would gladly pay but will Hendry?
>
> Frank
> -Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission-
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...> wrote:
>
> From: Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...>
> Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 11:07 PM
>
>
>
> Granderson? I dunno.... doesn't a rumor like that reek of Brian
> Roberts a couple years ago & Jake Peavy last year?? Same game,
> different name this year.
>
> Besides, Hendry isn't a trader.... he's a signer. I have a hard
> time believing that Hendry would make a trade involving Marmol &
> Starlin Castro. It's sooo much more likely and easier for him to
> sign Marlon Byrd and keep both Marmol & Castro.
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Scott Rendler <itzscott1@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> To: DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:48 PM
>
>
>
> I wouldn't mind Byrd at this point in exchange for Bradley. It
> could work out for both teams.... Bradley would be back with Ron
> Washington and the Cubs would get a center fielder that could
> provide some offense and defense.
>
> If the Cubs pay half of Bradley's salary and can sign Byrd for $10
> million for 2 years (he made $3.1 million last year), they'd be no
> worse off than they originally budgeted
>
> Here's something from the Ft. Worth newspaper (Looks like they like
> him there, he's missed and where he belongs):
>
> "The Rangers met with the Cubs about acquiring Milton Bradley, who
> has fallen out of favor in Chicago only a season after becoming a
> first-time All-Star in Arlington. But the Rangers won’t be able to
> take on Bradley unless the Cubs agree to pay at least half of the
> $20 million owed to him over the next two seasons.
>
> Bradley, who led the American League in on-base percentage in 2008,
> isn’t available in the upcoming free-agent pool. He would be quite
> a bargain at $5 million a year if he were able to repeat his 2008
> production, and his patience at the plate could have a trickle-down
> effect on the rest of the lineup.
>
> "You can argue that type of a presence, that type of approach is
> contagious," Daniels said. "We missed that production, but we
> missed it from some of the other guys, too."
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Azbearfan34@ cox.net <Azbearfan34@ cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> From: Azbearfan34@ cox.net <Azbearfan34@ cox.net>
> Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
> To: "DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com" <DiehardCubsFans@
> yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:30 PM
>
>
>
> I read that our main focus right now appears to be CF Marlon Byrd.
> Cannot say I am too excited by that. Granderson might be nice, but
> I do not think he is a great avg guy or obp guy so probably not a
> lead off hiter for us. CF defense would be set, however.
>
> Nat


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I don't think I would touch Granderson.  In 180 AB agianst lefties last year he
hit a whopping .183 with only 2 HR & 9 RBI's.  He also strikes out a LOT.
 
I like the prospect of getting Byrd a lot better, his splits are LH: .244 - 9 -
30 & RH: .300 - 13 - 59 and his strikeouts are less than Granderson.  He's not
the lead-off player like Figgins but I think that Figgins will come at a very
heavy price.  A price I would gladly pay but will Hendry?

Frank
-Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission-

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...> wrote:


From: Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 11:07 PM


 



Granderson? I dunno.... doesn't a rumor like that reek of Brian Roberts a
couple years ago & Jake Peavy last year?? Same game, different name this year.
 
Besides, Hendry isn't a trader.... he's a signer. I have a hard time believing
that Hendry would make a trade involving Marmol & Starlin Castro. It's sooo much
more likely and easier for him to sign Marlon Byrd and keep both Marmol &
Castro.
 

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Scott Rendler <itzscott1@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
To: DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:48 PM

 

I wouldn't mind Byrd at this point in exchange for Bradley. It could work out
for both teams.... Bradley would be back with Ron Washington and the Cubs would
get a center fielder that could provide some offense and defense.
 
If the Cubs pay half of Bradley's salary and can sign Byrd for $10 million for 2
years (he made $3.1 million last year), they'd be no worse off than they
originally budgeted
 
Here's something from the Ft. Worth newspaper (Looks like they like him there,
he's missed and where he belongs):
 
"The Rangers met with the Cubs about acquiring Milton Bradley, who has fallen
out of favor in Chicago only a season after becoming a first-time All-Star in
Arlington. But the Rangers won’t be able to take on Bradley unless the Cubs
agree to pay at least half of the $20 million owed to him over the next two
seasons.
 
Bradley, who led the American League in on-base percentage in 2008, isn’t
available in the upcoming free-agent pool. He would be quite a bargain at $5
million a year if he were able to repeat his 2008 production, and his patience
at the plate could have a trickle-down effect on the rest of the lineup.
 
"You can argue that type of a presence, that type of approach is contagious,"
Daniels said. "We missed that production, but we missed it from some of the
other guys, too."
 
 
--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Azbearfan34@ cox.net <Azbearfan34@ cox.net> wrote:

From: Azbearfan34@ cox.net <Azbearfan34@ cox.net>
Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
To: "DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com" <DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:30 PM

 

I read that our main focus right now appears to be CF Marlon Byrd. Cannot say I
am too excited by that. Granderson might be nice, but I do not think he is a
great avg guy or obp guy so probably not a lead off hiter for us. CF defense
would be set, however.

Nat

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Granderson? I dunno.... doesn't a rumor like that reek of Brian Roberts a
couple years ago & Jake Peavy last year?? Same game, different name this year.
 
Besides, Hendry isn't a trader.... he's a signer. I have a hard time believing
that Hendry would make a trade involving Marmol & Starlin Castro. It's sooo much
more likely and easier for him to sign Marlon Byrd and keep both Marmol &
Castro.
 

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...> wrote:


From: Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:48 PM


 



I wouldn't mind Byrd at this point in exchange for Bradley. It could work out
for both teams.... Bradley would be back with Ron Washington and the Cubs would
get a center fielder that could provide some offense and defense.
 
If the Cubs pay half of Bradley's salary and can sign Byrd for $10 million for 2
years (he made $3.1 million last year), they'd be no worse off than they
originally budgeted
 
Here's something from the Ft. Worth newspaper (Looks like they like him there,
he's missed and where he belongs):
 
"The Rangers met with the Cubs about acquiring Milton Bradley, who has fallen
out of favor in Chicago only a season after becoming a first-time All-Star in
Arlington. But the Rangers won’t be able to take on Bradley unless the Cubs
agree to pay at least half of the $20 million owed to him over the next two
seasons.
 
Bradley, who led the American League in on-base percentage in 2008, isn’t
available in the upcoming free-agent pool. He would be quite a bargain at $5
million a year if he were able to repeat his 2008 production, and his patience
at the plate could have a trickle-down effect on the rest of the lineup.
 
"You can argue that type of a presence, that type of approach is contagious,"
Daniels said. "We missed that production, but we missed it from some of the
other guys, too."
 
 
--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Azbearfan34@ cox.net <Azbearfan34@ cox.net> wrote:

From: Azbearfan34@ cox.net <Azbearfan34@ cox.net>
Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
To: "DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com" <DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:30 PM

 

I read that our main focus right now appears to be CF Marlon Byrd. Cannot say I
am too excited by that. Granderson might be nice, but I do not think he is a
great avg guy or obp guy so probably not a lead off hiter for us. CF defense
would be set, however.

Nat

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I wouldn't mind Byrd at this point in exchange for Bradley. It could work out
for both teams.... Bradley would be back with Ron Washington and the Cubs would
get a center fielder that could provide some offense and defense.
 
If the Cubs pay half of Bradley's salary and can sign Byrd for $10 million for 2
years (he made $3.1 million last year), they'd be no worse off than they
originally budgeted
 
Here's something from the Ft. Worth newspaper (Looks like they like him there,
he's missed and where he belongs):
 
"The Rangers met with the Cubs about acquiring Milton Bradley, who has fallen
out of favor in Chicago only a season after becoming a first-time All-Star in
Arlington. But the Rangers won’t be able to take on Bradley unless the Cubs
agree to pay at least half of the $20 million owed to him over the next two
seasons.
 
Bradley, who led the American League in on-base percentage in 2008, isn’t
available in the upcoming free-agent pool. He would be quite a bargain at $5
million a year if he were able to repeat his 2008 production, and his patience
at the plate could have a trickle-down effect on the rest of the lineup.
 
"You can argue that type of a presence, that type of approach is contagious,"
Daniels said. "We missed that production, but we missed it from some of the
other guys, too."
 
 
--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Azbearfan34@... <Azbearfan34@...> wrote:


From: Azbearfan34@... <Azbearfan34@...>
Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP Cubs moves
To: "DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com" <DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:30 PM


 



I read that our main focus right now appears to be CF Marlon Byrd. Cannot say I
am too excited by that. Granderson might be nice, but I do not think he is a
great avg guy or obp guy so probably not a lead off hiter for us. CF defense
would be set, however.

Nat










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I read that our main focus right now appears to be CF Marlon Byrd.  Cannot say I
am too excited by that. Granderson might be nice, but I do not think he is a
great avg guy or obp guy so probably not a lead off hiter for us.  CF defense
would be set, however.

Nat

I read that our main focus right now appears to be CF Marlon Byrd.  Cannot say I
am too excited by that. Granderson might be nice, but I do not think he is a
great avg guy or obp guy so probably not a lead off hiter for us.  CF defense
would be set, however.

Nat

Lackey would be a good fit but with so few quality arms he will probably be
wayyyy over paid by one of 2 or 3 team who want him badly.  I don't see the
Cubs as being one of those teams.  We've overpaid for enough players.
 
One aspects of the bad economy is that some teams are cash-strapped.  They
could engineer a trade for help that way according to ESPN (the Yankee network).
 
I like the idea of a 1-year stop-gap for SS.  I like Theriot and he's a solid
SS but I do question his range.  He would be better suited for 2B.  All the
reports on Castro is that he's almost ready.  I don't think they want to rush
him so unless he blows Pinella, Hendry and the scouting staff away he's probably
going to be in Iowa to start next year.  If he is tearing the cover off the
ball by May, expect to see him in Chicago.  The reason why I say May is because
most of the bitterly cold weather has moved out by then and he can play without
worring about getting frostbite on the field.
 
Another glaring hole they have is CF.  They would love to use Fukudome in RF
and sign Figgins but the Angles will put up stiff resistance at the prospect of
loosing him.

Frank
-Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission-

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...> wrote:


From: Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP What about these players
To: DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:44 PM


 



We can speculate all we want about who to sign or trade for but I think we're
going to be constantly fed the names of all the prospects that are planned to
be the next big things instead of any of deals actually happening... . and
that's all fine & dandy because I understand the need by Cub marketing to keep
hope alive (to steal Jesse Jackson's rallying cry), but I have a real hard time
being sucked into it for one reason:
 
What ever happened to Cub prospects EARNING their way into the starting lineup
and not it being handed to them out of desperation? ??
 
We can add Samardzjia and maybe Wells to the long list of those prospects that
were flat out just given the starting nod before they proved that they were
worthy of being slotted into a key starting role.... Corey Patterson, Hee Sop
Choi, Gary Scott, Felix Pie, Bobby Hill, Sean Gallagher, Rich Hill, Ronnie
Cedeno, Eric Patterson, etc.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, robthecubsfan <robthecubsfan@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: robthecubsfan <robthecubsfan@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP What about these players
To: DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 8:42 PM

 

This will all depend on whether or not Ricketts wants to win right now.
I said last off-season we should've gone after Tejada. I do think he's got
another good couple years left in him, and he'd move the Riot over to 2nd.
I wouldn't mind taking a risk on Sheets. Again, another guy who's probably got a
couple more solid years left, and who's market value shouldn't be too high.
Either him or Harden should be on our roster next season.

--- In DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com, "E. George Mucher III" <fishydude@.
..> wrote:
>
> Well I could live with Tejada, and I do believe the Astros don't plan
> on bringing him back or something like that.
>
> And I agree about the pitching, we need something to boost the
> starting rotation and the bullpen. We now know that Marshall is NOT a
> starter. He was much better out of the pen, and that is where he
> should stay. Smardjzia could be a decent starter some day, but he is
> not quite ready for that yet. Wells we just don;t know about. He was
> not quite as good at the end of the season, but I think I would have
> had a hard time motivating myself at the end of that season too.
> Especially how he worked his ass off and got no run support to start
> the season. But we don;t know if that was a one time thing, or if he
> really is that pitcher. So he is fine at #5. But with Lilly possibly
> out for the first month, and Harden presumably gone, that makes a
> rotation of #1- Z, #2- Dempster, #3- Wells, #4- Smardjzia, #5-
> Marshall. OR something along those lines. That is about as shaky a
> rotation as there could possibly be. It is downright scary, plus it
> weakens an already weak bullpen.
>
> Despite what Hendry says about Lilly having surgery not making him
> move for a pitcher, unless what he was really saying is that he
> already was planning on getting a starting pitcher. How about getting
> Lackey, and signing Ben Sheets to a small deal for him to prove he is
> healthy (and he might have a chip against his old Brewers team).
> Sheets is no bigger risk than Harden, and his stuff is comparable if
> not better.
>
> Just some ideas...
>
> -Geo
>
> 'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'
>
> "While the sun yet shines do all you can"
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Scott Rendler wrote:
>
> > He's 36 years old. Nobody is going to give him more than 2 years.
> > His big money days are behind him. I have no idea what he'll end up
> > signing for but it would be worth Hendry exploring.
> >
> > My fear is that Castro is yet another Cub "can't miss" hype and I
> > highly doubt that he'll be ready to step into the starting ss role
> > in 2011. Better to have a back-up plan and see if he can segue into
> > the starting role than to automatically throw him into the fire ala
> > Patterson, Gary Scott, Pie, etc.
> >
> > The Cub pitching won't be anywhere as good as it's been next year
> > unless Hendry strikes gold somewhere. Offense will be the key to
> > overcoming the pitching. Tejada was always able to hit.... steroids
> > or not.
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, E. George Mucher III <fishydude@. ..> wrote:
> >
> > From: E. George Mucher III <fishydude@. ..>
> > Subject: Re: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP What about these players
> > To: DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:39 AM
> >
> > At what price though? And do you think he would do a 1 year deal? I
> > would say that in addition to ruining players by bringing them up too
> > soon, or bad coaching in the minors, we also have a history of
> > blocking talented young players by sticking veterans in their
> > position for longer term deals than we should...
> >
> > -Geo
> >
> > 'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'
> >
> > "While the sun yet shines do all you can"
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:43 PM, Scott Rendler wrote:
> >
> > > >> suggested that the Cubs sign a SS to a one year deal <<
> > >
> > > Miguel Tejada
> > >
> > > Avg .313
> > > HR 14
> > > RBI 86
> > > Runs 83
> > > SB 5
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, E. George Mucher III <fishydude@. ..>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: E. George Mucher III <fishydude@. ..>
> > > Subject: DIEHARD CUBS GROUP What about these players
> > > To: "*Yahoo Diehard Cubs Fans" <DiehardCubsFans@ yahoogroups. com>
> > > Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 11:08 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just read a couple articles on the Cubs, one by Dave Kaplan
> > suggested
> > > that the Cubs sign a SS to a one year deal, and suggested Cabrera as
> > > a relatively inexpensive SS that hits well for average, and does a
> > > good job. Then we could move Theriot over to 2nd so that come
> > 2011 or
> > > whenever Castro comes up to play SS, Theriot will be used to 2nd
> > base.
> > >
> > > He also goes on to mention that John Lackey would be a good fit for
> > > the Cubs, and that he has a reputation as a solid guy who is a real
> > > gamer.
> > >
> > > Those sound like decent moves to me- so they are probably not
> > > anywhere near being considered by the Cubs...
> > >
> > > -Geo
> > >
> > > 'Oi kau ka lâ, e hana i ola honua'
> > >
> > > "While the sun yet shines do all you can"
> > >
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