Where: Red Rocks. Meet at the Trading Post.



When: Thu, May 1, 5:30pm (early group), 6:15pm (main group). You are

welcome to run with either group.



The early group is smaller - from 1 to about a dozen. The runners are

generally mid pack, from about high 40s to high 50s 10km (road) speed.



The main group is larger - typically from 10-20 during the colder

months, sometimes more than 40 during the warmer months. There is a

wide variety of speeds, from mid 30s to 60+ 10km (road) speed.



What: This could be a road or trail run, depending on the weather. If

the trails are dry, we'll run into Matthews Winters park. If they're

wet, we'll run the hilly roads around Red Rocks.



We'll run for about an hour. If you want to run longer, you can start

with the early group, and finish with the main group, like Jeff

normally does. There are various route options depending on your speed

and how long you want to go. Use the link below to find the map and

directions.



Dinner: Everyone is welcome to join us for dinner after the run. We'll

pick a restaurant at the end of the run, usually somewhere in Morrison.

This Thursday's run will be at Green Mtn, Rooney Road lot. The early

group will start at 5:30pm. The main group will start at 6:00pm. EARLY

START!! We'll be starting early for the next few weeks to take

advantage of the fading light.



Directions: There's a change to the driving directions. From either

directions, take C-470 to the new Alameda exit. Go W from the offramp

~200m. Turn right on Rooney Rd, ~1/3mi, to the lot. The directions on

the site work as back-up, in case of traffic.



Run Notes: Sunset is at 6:41pm; Twilight is at 7:08pm. Please adjust

your route to finish by 7pm. We don't want to have to go search for

anyone after it gets dark. All of the routes finish on the wide,

service road, which should be easy to follow as it gets dark.



About 3/4mi after the start, at GM1, the faster runners will take a

left up the canyon ~200m, then right. This will take us onto a trail

that parallels the main trail before rejoining after 1+ mile. This

trail is about the same length, but is hillier, and takes longer.

Slower and intermediate runners, please don't follow us. stick to the

main route.



Also, the trail listed as the Utah trail on the directions, has been

renamed as the Hayden trail.



Please use the links below for route descriptions and maps, driving

directions, and more info.



DTR runs are not races. We'll start together, then spread out and

naturally form smaller sub-groups once we're into the run. Please stop

and regroup, with similarly paced others, at key intersections. We ask

experienced DTRs to please help guide those newer to the trail.



Remember to bring warm and dry clothing for after the run. It cools

quickly once the sun goes down.



Carpool: There's a regular carpool group for those of you who

live/work near downtown. Meet at the corner of 9th and Elati, by

Denver West High School, at 5:10 each Thursday. We will alternate who

drives. The link below has a map.

http://tinyurl.com/5d35nb



Weather, cam and traffic links:

Hwy speed maps and traffic cams - http://cotrip.org/

Weather near Green Mtn - http://tinyurl.com/4el4hc

This Thursday's run is at South Table Mtn. Meet in the NREL visitors

lot. The early group starts at 5:30pm. The main group starts at

6:00pm. If you're running with the main group, please arrive early so

that you are ready to start running at 6:00pm. Sunset is at 6:30pm;

twilight ends at 6:57pm. We want to be able to get as much of the run

in as possible before it gets dark.



Please refer to the links at the bottom of this message for driving

directions, route maps and descriptions, and other info about DTR.



Run Notes: There are not changing facilities or bathrooms at the

start. If needed, use facilities at the Denver West shopping center,

just across I70.



If you're new to this run, please print and bring the map. We'll run

straight out to the Golden Stairs (aka Castle Rock) and back via the

blue line. Faster runners may take a longer route back. There are no

trail signs, few landmarks, and lots of trails. It can be easy to get

lost. Please note the surroundings at key junctions on the way out.

Experienced runners, please help guide those new to the trail.



If you're not comfortable running at night, and don't have a light,

you may want to turn around early. Some of you may want to consider

bringing lights. For more info about lighting, read the great info

Jeff put together

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DenverTrailRunners/message/1043



DTR runs are not races. Once we're into the run, we spread out and

naturally form smaller sub-groups. Please stop and regroup by subgroup

at key intersections.



Bring warm and dry clothing for after the run. It cools off quickly

once the sun goes down.



Everyone is invited to join us for dinner after the run. After the

run, we will pick a nearby restaurant to go to.



Carpool: There's a regular carpool group for those of you who live or

work near downtown. Meet at the corner of 9th and Elati, by Denver

West High School, at 5:10 each Thursday. We will alternate who

drives. The link below has a map.

http://tinyurl.com/5d35nb



Weather, cam and traffic links:

Hwy speed maps and traffic cams - http://cotrip.org/

Weather near South Table - http://tinyurl.com/5dkvvw

This week's run is at Bear Creek Lake Park. The early group starts at

5:30pm. The main group starts at 6:00pm.



Parking notes: Meet in the large, dirt lot, at the corner of Rooney

and Morrison roads. Once the perimeter spots are full, several cars

can fit in the middle. Additional parking is available alongside

Rooney road, just up from the dirt lot. Bathroom is across Rooney rd,

in the gas station.



Run Notes: If you're new to this run, please print and bring the map.

BCLP can be confusing. Please stop and regroup at key junction, and,

if you know the trails there, help guide the newer runners.



We run counter clockwise. Faster runners usually climb up Mt. Carbon,

and loop around the back side of the dam. If you're not up with the

faster runners, please don't follow them up Mt. Carbon. Instead,

please stay low and take the road across the base, on the W side of

the dam.



If you're not comfortable running at night and don't have a light,

once you make it to the base of Mt. Carbon, you can take roads all the

way back. Sunset is at 6:19pm; twilight ends at 6:46pm. Some of you

may want to consider bringing lights. For more info about lighting,

read the great info Jeff put together

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DenverTrailRunners/message/1043



DTR runs are not races. Once we're into the run, we spread out and

naturally form smaller sub-groups.



Bring warm and dry clothing for after the run. It cools off quickly

once the sun goes down.



Everyone is invited to join us for dinner after the run. After the

run, we will pick a nearby restaurant to go to.



Carpool: There's a regular carpool group for those of you who live or

work near downtown. Meet at the corner of 9th and Elati, by Denver

West High School, at 5:10 each Thursday. We will alternate who

drives. The link below has a map.

http://tinyurl.com/5d35nb



Weather, cam and traffic links:

Hwy speed maps and traffic cams - http://cotrip.org/

Weather - http://tinyurl.com/4el4hc

This week's run is at Lookout/Chimney Gulch. The early group starts at

5:30pm. The main group starts at 6:00pm.



Parking notes: Meet in the dirt lot, at the first horseshoe curve,

just past the pillars. There's a bathroom at the park, just down from

the pillars.



Run Notes: Lookout offers both trail and road routes. Over the winter,

sometimes, we'll go up via the trail, and down via the road. This is a

good option for those without lights or uncomfortable on trails at

night. Road traffic is fairly light. Sunset is at 6:10, twilight ends

at 6:37, so everyone should be able to make it up the trail to Windy

Saddle before dark. This is an out-and-back route, so use your watch

to determine when to turn around. The road route is ~0.8mi longer

to/from Windy Saddle, so take that into account when judging your turn

around time. You might want to bring a light even if you are going to

run the road. At least wear reflective gear. Lighting is as much about

being seen as it is about seeing.



For more info about lighting, read the great info Jeff put together

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DenverTrailRunners/message/1043



DTR runs are not races. Once we're into the run, we spread out and

naturally form smaller sub-groups.



Bring warm and dry clothing for after the run. It cools off quickly

once the sun goes down.



Everyone is invited to join us for dinner after the run. After the

run, we will pick a nearby restaurant to go to.



Carpool: There's a regular carpool group for those of you who live or

work near downtown. Meet at the corner of 9th and Elati, by Denver

West High School, at 5:10 each Thursday. We will alternate who drives.

The link below has a map.

http://tinyurl.com/5d35nb



Weather, cam and traffic links:

Hwy speed maps and traffic cams - http://cotrip.org/

Weather - http://tinyurl.com/5dkvvw

This week's run is at South Valley Park. The early group meets at

5:30pm; the main group starts at 6:15pm. Please allow for extra

driving time in the snow.



Run Notes: This is one of our flatter runs. We'll determine whether to

do the the hogback option, or our normal route on the Grazing Elk trail.



The Grazing Elk loop doesn't have a good short option. For that, I

suggest either going only part way onto the loop then back, or some

variation of the hogback route. There should be DTR regulars who can

help guide the different groups.



For the hogback route, read the message from Sept.

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DenverTrailRunners/message/1050

and look at the Jeffco OS map. These maps should be available at the

park too.

http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/openspace/openspace_T56_R19.htm



For the Grazing Elk, normal route, refer to the map on the DTR site.



Expect either some snow a few inches expected tomorrow), or hard

dirt/mud. You shouldn't need traction devices, but it's up to you. A

few inches of snow makes for great footing.



Remember to bring warm and dry clothing for after the run.



Everyone is invited to join us for dinner after the run. At the end of

the run, the group will pick a nearby restaurant.



DTR runs are not races. We ask the faster runners to start slowly for

the first several minutes. Once we're into the run, we'll spread out

and tend to naturally form smaller sub-groups by pace. Please stop and

regroup, at key intersections. Those of you familiar with the trails,

please help lead/guide the sub-groups for the other runners.



Carpool: There's a regular carpool group for those of you who

live/work near downtown. Meet at the corner of 9th and Elati, by

Denver West High School, at 5:25 each Thursday. We will alternate who

drives. The link below has a map.

http://tinyurl.com/5d35nb



Weather, cam and traffic links:

Hwy speed maps and traffic cams - http://cotrip.org/

Weather - http://tinyurl.com/6oc8kx

This week's run is at Red Rocks. The early group meets at 5:30pm; the

main group starts at 6:15pm. Meet at the Trading Post.



Run notes: The trails will probably be wet and either slushy or muddy.

That means we'll probably stick to the hilly, paved roads. We may

venture onto the Matthews Winters trails if there's still enough snow

cover. You're welcome to stick to the roads even if some of us hit the

trails. The RR roads offer a variety of ways to combine different

loops to run almost any length. It'll be the day before the full moon,

so you may be able to run without a light on the road. If you are not

familiar with the area, please review the map in advance.



DTR runs are not races. We ask the faster runners to start slowly, to

keep the group together for the first 5-10 minutes. After that, we

spread out and naturally form smaller sub-groups. We ask experienced

runners to wait at key intersections to help guide newer runners.



Bring warm and dry clothing for after the run.



Everyone is invited to join us for dinner after the run. We will pick

a nearby restaurant at the end of the run.



Carpool: There's a regular carpool group for those of you who live or

work near downtown. Meet at the corner of 9th and Elati, by Denver

West High School, at 5:25 each Thursday. We will alternate who drives.

The link below has a map.

http://tinyurl.com/5d35nb



Weather, cam and traffic links:

Hwy speed maps and traffic cams - http://cotrip.org/

Weather at Red Rocks - http://tinyurl.com/6bjhwh

This week's run is at Red Rocks Park. The early group meets at 5:30pm; the main

group starts at 6:15pm. Meet at the Trading Post.



Run notes: If by some chance the trails get muddy we will run the roads, but

since the weather is predicted to be slightly below freezing all day I'm

thinking this unlikely. The roads do offer some good, long hill workouts. If you

are not familiar with the trails, please review the map in advance.



DTR runs are not races. We ask the faster runners to start slowly, to keep the

group together for the first 5-10 minutes. After that, we spread out and

naturally form smaller sub-groups. We ask experienced runners to wait at key

intersections to help guide newer runners.



Bring warm and dry clothing for after the run.



Everyone is invited to join us for dinner after the run. We will pick a nearby

restaurant at the end of the run.



Carpool: There's a regular carpool group for those of you who live or work near

downtown. Meet at the corner of 9th and Elati, by Denver West High School, at

5:25 each Thursday. We will alternate who drives.

The link below has a map.

http://tinyurl.com/5d35nb



Weather:

Red Rocks (RR/ Hogback, Green) - http://tinyurl.com/6bjhwh

This week's run is at White Ranch. Meet at the lower lot. The early group meets

at 5:30pm; the main group starts at 6:15pm.



Run notes: This is one of our longer runs, 1:20 or so. The climbs/descents are

long, and sometimes very steep. There is some shade on the upper trails, but

much of the lower sections are exposed.



The map/routes have changed from what's on the DTR web site. Please see the

route descriptions below, and refer to the map at

http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/openspace/openspace_T56_R57.htm



All routes will start up Belcher Hill to the "new" connector trail,  called

Whippletree. From there:



Short - Go left at Longhorn, stay left at Shorthorn, and then left again down

Belcher Hill back to the start. ~5mi.



Interm1 - Right on Longhorn, left at next junction onto Shorthorn, continue to

Belcher Hill, then left down the hill. ~6.1mi.



Interm2 - Right onto Longhorn, stay right at next junction (still Longhorn),

left at Maverick, then left at Belcher Hill down to the start. ~7.5mi



Long - Stay right on Longhorn past Maverick. just past Maverick, go left at the

fork, past the bathrooms, to the upper lot. Then, take Sawmill, to Belcher, back

down. ~7.9mi



Extra Long - Towards the top, the faster runners may decide to head over to

Wranglers Run befoer the upper lot, and/or to the top of Belcher Hill after the

upper lot.



DTR runs are not races. We ask the faster runners to start slowly, to keep the

group together for the first 5-10 minutes. After that, we spread out and

naturally form smaller sub-groups. We ask experienced runners to wait at key

intersections to help guide newer runners. Please choose/adjust your route to

finish in time.



Bring warm and dry clothing for after the run.



Everyone is invited to join us for dinner after the run. We will pick a nearby

restaurant at the end of the run.



Carpool: There's a regular carpool group for those of you who live or work near

downtown. Meet at the corner of 9th and Elati, by Denver West High School, at

5:25 each Thursday. We will alternate who drives.

The link below has a map.

http://tinyurl.com/5d35nb



Weather, cam and traffic links:

Hwy speed maps and traffic cams - http://cotrip.org/

Weather in Golden - http://tinyurl.com/5dkvvw

Weather and Cam at Jeffco Admin Bldg (aka Taj Mahal) -

http://www.jeffco.us/weather.htm

Where: Dedisse and Alderfer trails. Meet at Evergreen Lake. The early group will

meet at 5:30. We'll push the start time back for the main group until 6:30pm.

Please arrive a little early so that you're ready to start on time.



Party to follow at Warren and Brooke Kish's, just up the road from the lake.

Warren will make pasta, both meat and veggie sauces available. DTR will provide

plates, napkins, utensils, cups, etc. Please bring salads, side dishes,

desserts, snacks, drinks, etc. If you can't bring anything this time, it's still

OK to show up. There's always plenty of food. It's a great chance to meet the

group without breathing hard.  Bring your swim suit if you would like to relax

in their hot tub.



Directions to Lake House: Take I-70 to Evergreen Parkway, hwy 74 exit, #252.

Follow hwy 75 ~6.5mi to the lake. The road curves left at the lake. Just before

the curve, go right on Upper Bear Creek Rd 1/4mi, then left to the lake parking

lot. Meet by the porta-potties.  Info and a map on Alderfer/Three Sisters park

are available at http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/openspace/openspace_T56_R5.htm



Directions to the party: 30424 Upper Bear Creek Road. One mile up from the lake

on the left. Pass mile marker 1 on wood post on right. "Moody's" mail box on

right. Some trees on left, then a bunch of mail boxes. One has KISH on it and

30424. They may add some sneakers to the mail box. Make left on dirt road. Pass

first house. About 100 feet further up dirt road is house. (303)216-9712.

There's limited parking, so we'll have to carpool up from the lake. The lot at

the lake stays open until 10pm.



It cools of quickly in the canyon, so please bring warm and dry clothes for

after the run.



DTR runs are not races. We ask the faster runners to start slowly, to keep the

group together for the first 5-10 minutes. After that, we spread out and

naturally form smaller sub-groups. We ask experienced runners to wait at key

intersections to help guide newer runners.



Carpool: There's a regular carpool group for those of you who live or work near

downtown. Meet at the corner of 9th and Elati, by Denver West High School, at

5:25 each Thursday. We will alternate who drives.

The link below has a map.

http://tinyurl.com/5d35nb

This week's run is at Lookout Mountain / Chimney Gulch. The early group meets at

5:30pm; the main group starts at 6:15pm. Meet at the park just below the old

stone gateway and the first sharp bend:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=39.741147,-105.22797\

3&sll=39.741147,-105.227973&sspn=0.002937,0.003514&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16



Run notes: The run is an out and back.  See the map at:

http://dtr.runuphillracing.com/Maps/ChimneyGulch-LookoutMtn.html for trail

directions. If you are not familiar with the trails, please review the map in

advance.



DTR runs are not races. We ask the faster runners to start slowly, to keep the

group together for the first 5-10 minutes. After that, we spread out and

naturally form smaller sub-groups. We ask experienced runners to wait at key

intersections to help guide newer runners.



We usually suggest several routes of different length at each run. The different

routes are designed so that runners of different abilities can start and finish

at about the same time. Please pick the appropriate route for you. Don't

necessarily follow the people in front of you. The sub-groups/routes are

approximately defined as follows:

Extra-Long: sub-40 10km (road race time, not the pace run at DTR runs)

Long: low-mid 40s 10km

Intermediate: mid 40s to low 50s 10km

Short: mid 50s+ 10km



Bring warm and dry clothing for after the run.



Everyone is invited to join us for dinner after the run. We will pick a nearby

restaurant at the end of the run.



Carpool: There's a regular carpool group for those of you who live or work near

downtown. Meet at the corner of 9th and Elati, by Denver West High School, at

5:25 each Thursday. We will alternate who drives.

The link below has a map.

http://tinyurl.com/5d35nb



Weather, cam and traffic links:

Hwy speed maps and traffic cams - http://cotrip.org/

Weather in

Golden (Apex, lower Lookout, N & S Table) - http://tinyurl.com/5dkvvw

Correct link for the map to the Jeffco OS offices, where the meeting is Thur

night.

http://tinyurl.com/yapdtd5



--- In DenverTrailRunners@yahoogroups.com, "DenverTrailRunners \(No Reply\)"

<denvertrailrunners@...> wrote:

>

> This week's run is at Apex Park. The early group meets at 5:30pm; the main

group starts at 6:00pm. Meet by the large trail map. Because of the rally (see

below), we'll stagger the starts of the main group to avoid congestion with

bikers along the bottom section of the trail.

>

> Run notes: This is likely the last chance to run Apex for the season on a

Thursday night. Please review the trail map and route descriptions. Keep the

runs short to finish by 7:00pm. Sunset is at 6:43; twilight at 7:10.

>

> There is a rally for mtn bikers that evening to protest the proposed changes

for Apex. I encourage you to arrive early to mingle with and learn about the

trail issues from the biker perspective, and to share your views from a runner

perspective. After the run, I encourage you to attend the Open Space Advisory

Comm meeting where they will be discussing the proposal.

> Apex proposal: http://jeffco.us/jeffco/openspace_uploads/apex_doc_2009.pdf

> Meeting agenda:

http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/jeffco/openspace_uploads/octagen.pdf

> Previous message about Apex:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DenverTrailRunners/message/1418

> Meeting location: Open Space offices, 700 Jefferson Cty Parkway, Golden.

http://tinyurl.com/create.php

>

> DTR runs are not races. We ask the faster runners to start slowly, to keep the

group together for the first 5-10 minutes. After that, we spread out and

naturally form smaller sub-groups. We ask experienced runners to wait at key

intersections to help guide newer runners.

>

> We usually suggest several routes of different length at each run. The

different routes are designed so that runners of different abilities can start

and finish at about the same time. Please pick the appropriate route for you.

Don't necessarily follow the people in front of you. The sub-groups/routes are

approximately defined as follows:

> Extra-Long: sub-40 10km (road race time, not the pace run at DTR runs)

> Long: low-mid 40s 10km

> Intermediate: mid 40s to low 50s 10km

> Short: mid 50s+ 10km

>

> Bring warm and dry clothing for after the run.

>

> Everyone is invited to join us for dinner after the run. We will pick a nearby

restaurant at the end of the run.

>

> Weather, cam and traffic links:

> Hwy speed maps and traffic cams - http://cotrip.org/

> Weather in Golden - http://tinyurl.com/5dkvvw

> Jefferson Cty weather and cam - http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/weather.htm

> DenverTrailRunners

> http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DenverTrailRunners/

> http://dtr.runuphillracing.com

>