LOL, all seems to have gotten quiet except for us. Well, Lugo certainly has the figures to argue over when that time comes. The main thing is you support the team even if you don't always agree with every move. I'm with you. Whoever wears blue I support. These road games starting tonight are vital. Lugo can fly on the bases. gonna be interesting from here on out.

"Mike K." <mlkaplan43@...> wrote:

I've seen the D-Rays play the Yankees a few times, and I don't
remember anything specific about Lugo. What's done is done, and I
hope Lugo plays well while he wears blue.

As for next year, I've heard he wants a contract somewhere between
what Furcal and Orlando Cabrera got, so that's something for Ned to
think about.

-Mike

--- In DODGERS@yahoogroups.com, Harry wrote:
>
> Mike, all of what you say contains lots of "ifs". I will ask again.
if you think the trade for Lugo is weak, have you actually seen him
play and what is there that you think is weak? All of baseball is
"if". If Billy Ashley had turned into a superstar and on and on. For
me, I'm going to just relax and see what happens. We'll see how much
the guys Colletti has traded actually become anything beyond average
when they have proven something as Lugo and Maddux have.
>
> "Mike K." wrote: If Guzman puts it together in
spring training and AAA next season, he
> could replace any of those guys before next season ends. I didn't
> object to trading him, I just think the return was weak. Also, I
> can't stress it enough, he's only 21! If it takes him 2 more years to
> become a productive player it could be worth it. Clearly, it'll be a
> while before we know who gets the better of this trade.
>
> Although I do like the other trade. There was just no role for Izzy,
> and if Maddux can be "league average," it'll be an upgrade.
>
> -Mike
>
> --- In DODGERS@yahoogroups.com, Harry wrote:
> >
> > Well, I hate to keep asking this question but nobody's answered it
> yet. Who was Guzman going to replace? Ethier, Repko, Drew or Kemp? We
> don't need outfielders. We don't need a first baseman at least not
> right now. We don't need a 3rd baseman with Betimit and LaRoche. They
> already decided against him playing SS. Maybe giving up on him has
> nothing to do with anything. Lugo can always be resigned. Have you
> seen this guy run? He can fly just like Furcal and Lofton. I like it
> and Maddux brings leadership even if just for 8 weeks to a team that
> needs that. Doesn't mean we're headed to a WS this year but we're
> getting there.
> >
> > "Mike K." wrote: I think the Izzy-Maddux trade
> will probably be inconsequential.
> > However, if there's any upside, the Dodgers got it. Maddux could wind
> > up being valuable (or not), but Izzy's lack of offense couldn't
> > justify Little looking for somewhere to play him every nite.
> >
> > As for the other trade, Lugo will fit in fine for the rest of the
> > season, but I think it was too early to give up on Guzman--he's
only 21.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> >
> > --- In DODGERS@yahoogroups.com, Harry wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, if that gives you nigtmares you feel like some of us felt when
> > DePodesta had his fun. No, that's exactly why they moved to get Lugo.
> > In essence the trade really amounted to a better hitting and decent
> > fielding Lugo for Izturis. One could see it as giving up Guzman who
> > had become expendable for Maddox plus we received cash in the Maddox
> > deal according to the Dodgers site. Happy dreams Saint. Seriously. I
> > like Izzy and always have but this is not quite as simplistic as you
> > are attempting to make it sound. Izzy was odd man out.
> > >
> > > thesaint9998 wrote: This is the trade I have been
> > having nightmares about. And it is
> > > worse than I could have ever imagined.
> > >
> > > Instead of going into the logistics of each player I will say 1
> > > thing.
> > >
> > > Izturis - 26yrs old- over a decade left in his career
> > > Maddux - 40 yrs old - 1 year left (He said so)
> > >
> > > I am angry.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DODGERS@yahoogroups.com, Harry wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dan, not only does Lugo have some ability to hit the ball out,
> > > again another acquisition with speed...18 stolen bases plus a .957
> > > feielding percentage this year. I like both moves today. As with
> > > Betemit I see this as only more hitting protection for the other
> > > guys. I really think Guzman lost his place with the developement of
> > > Ethier, Repko's return, Drew and the possibilty of Kemp & Loney (
> > > ist) in the wings. I say get something while you can. Also, if
> > > LaRoche moves in next year somebody will go again.
> > > >
> > > > Dan Green wrote:
> > > > Again, I know the team had soured on Guzman this year and when
> > > he was up here, I didnt see anything special..but for how highly
> > > touted he was, it seems like not that great of a trade. But then
> > > again, Julio Lugo is hitting .309 with 12HR... It seems to me that
> > > 12 HR would lead the team.. Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > NMMJR@ wrote:
> > > > XTRA has also announced that the Dodgers traded Joel
> > > Guzman for Julio Lugo.
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