i kind of egged him on with the choi comment as well. i was tired of
hearing chois name so i decided to get a little fuuny and personally
i was laughing as i was typing. it is apparent i struck a nerve with
my humor. if i offended anyone it was not my intention..


--- In DODGERS@yahoogroups.com, Kristin <prettyrose33@y...> wrote:
>
>
> No, the problem here is when your comments turn personal and
to say someone "blows" (I don't really want to know what) is
personal and shouldn't be in the group. That's my opinion and I
believe that is where Greg is coming from too. You are alienating a
lot of people in here I feel Andy and everyone is entitled to their
opinion and don't need to have their's stomped on with "facts"
according to you. I like commenting back and forth but the personal
stuff has to stop. I know I have gotten personal in here before in
the past and was wrong in doing so and apologized. You should be
the bigger person and do the same.
>
>
Kristin
>
>
> Andy Liu <andy_c_liu@h...> wrote:
> So when we have disagreements, why can't you just debate
civilly with facts?
>
> You can just set up an ignore list if you don't want to see the
light.
>
> There is freedom of speech in this country and there is no need
to ban anyone.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Pellam
> To: DODGERS@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [DODGERS] Re: Giovanni Carrara signs a minor league
deal...
>
>
> I never thought I'd say this. But, is there any way to ban Andy
from this list?
>
> Greg
>
> Andy Liu <andy_c_liu@h...> wrote:
>
> Edu on what? ignorance?
>
> You sure don't have as much edu or credentials on baseball than
PDP.
>
> I suggest you go take a free look at a couple of sites:
>
> www.dodgermath.com
> www.dodgersthought.com
>
> You might learn a thing or 2 instead of getting brainwash by the
LA Times.
>
> Choi might suck nutz but he difintely doesn't blow as much as
you. What do you have to say now?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hawkeyejlh
> To: DODGERS@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:29 PM
> Subject: [DODGERS] Re: Giovanni Carrara signs a minor league
deal...
>
>
> i have plenty of edu there guy, choi licks nutz so now what you
have
> to say?
>
>
> ?--- In DODGERS@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Liu" <andy_c_liu@h...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > OH SO YOU ARE NOT NEGATIVE REGARDING CHOI, PDP, AND PEREZ?
> >
> > WHY DON'T YOU GET AN EDUCATION ON BASEBALL AND SHUT YOUR
IGNORANCE
> MOUTH UP. THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY.. SO DON'T TELL ME TO SHUT UP
JUST
> CUZ YOU CAN'T DEBATE WORTH A LICK WITH FACTS.
> >
> > IF CHOI GETS TRADED, YOU CAN SEE PAUL KONERKO REVISITED 5 YEARS
> FROM NOW WHILE NOMAR IS ON THE DL FOR THE 1000TH TIME,
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: hawkeyejlh
> > To: DODGERS@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:49 PM
> > Subject: [DODGERS] Re: Giovanni Carrara signs a minor league
> deal...
> >
> >
> > YOU HAVE GOT TO BE THE MOST NEGATIVE PERSON I HAVE EVER SEEN
> POST IN
> > THIS GROUP SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE. SHUT UP ALREADY AND I TRULY
> HOPE
> > CHOI GETS TRADED NOW!!!
> >
> > --- In DODGERS@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Liu" <andy_c_liu@h...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Or Nomar gets hurt again and Choi becomes Lou Gehrig with
> Nomar
> > becoming Wally Pipp! If Nomar stays healthy, a GM with a brain
> will
> > give Choi his shot.
> > >
> > > Based on comparative statistics, Choi is way ahead of Billy
> Ashley
> > and Greg Brock. Choi is on a similar career path as Mike
> Marshall and
> > if memory serves me right, Marshall was quite useful on
the '88
> team
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: hawkeyejlh
> > > To: DODGERS@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:41 PM
> > > Subject: [DODGERS] Re: Giovanni Carrara signs a minor
league
> > deal...
> > >
> > >
> > > well we might be pleasantly surprised when he stays healty
> this
> > year
> > > and performs for us if not then your boy choi will have
his
> shot
> > to
> > > choke, or not!
> > > --- In DODGERS@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Liu"
<andy_c_liu@h...>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 32 is not very old by baseball standard. But Nomar is a
> very
> > old
> > > 32. Have you seen his injuries since 2000? He has manage
to
> play
> > more
> > > than half a season only twice in the last 5 years!
> > > >
> > > > If JD Drew is consider injury-proned, Nomar should be
> consider
> > on
> > > life support.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: hawkeyejlh
> > > > To: DODGERS@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 4:30 PM
> > > > Subject: [DODGERS] Re: Giovanni Carrara signs a minor
> league
> > > deal...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > and nomar is not that old at only 32. if he stays
> healthy he
> > can
> > > > contribute for many more years to come. ave player
life
> in
> > > baseball
> > > > is about 38. and many more play until they are over 40
> and
> > still
> > > > produce.
> > > >
> > > > --- In DODGERS@yahoogroups.com, Jim Hekel
> <jhekelcubs@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Choi has surpassed Nomar offensively? In what
> > > > > category? I mean Choi did hit more homers, but
that's
> > > > > about it. You are correct about the injury situation,
> > > > > but let's put it this way. Nomar's career OPS average
> > > > > is higher than Choi has ever accomplished in one
> > > > > season. Nomar is a notorious first-pitch hitter, no
> > > > > question about that. But you talk about lack of
> > > > > patience at the plate with him? Last year, Nomar
> > > > > walked 12 times while striking out 24 in 230 at bats,
> > > > > which is not the best ratio in the world. But have
you
> > > > > looked at Choi's numbers? He walked 34 times while
> > > > > striking out 80 times in 320 at bats.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can argue that the Dodgers could have spent that
> > > > > money on pitching and I would agree with you. But
> > > > > Choi has no more upgrade. He is a .253 hitter with
> > > > > decent power, nothing more. Nomar, if he can just
stay
> > > > > healthy, has a shot at returning to his former status
> > > > > as an All-Star, in my opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > jim in indiana
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Andy Liu <andy_c_liu@h...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think Nomar should have no problems with defense
> > > > > > at 1B as 1B should be a very easy position to learn
> > > > > > for a SS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's his declining bat and lack of patience at the
> > > > > > plate that I don't like. Choi has already surpass
> > > > > > Nomar offensively, is less injury-prone, has way
> > > > > > more upside, and is cheaper. After park adjustment
> > > > > > and now that Tracy is gone, it wouldn't surprise me
> > > > > > if Choi out hit Nomar by an OPS of 100 pts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: louvox
> > > > > > To: DODGERS@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:28 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [DODGERS] Re: Giovanni Carrara signs a
> > > > > > minor league deal...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree with you. I think Garciaparra has seen
his
> > > > > > best days and we don't know who well he'll do on
> > > > > > defence. On the other hand I have no confidence in
> > > > > > Choi. He should offered Washburn a contract.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Louis
> > > > > > --- In DODGERS@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Liu"
> > > > > > <andy_c_liu@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Given the fact that both Houlton and Jackson
are
> > > > > > you both young, inexperience, or lack the pitch
> > > > > > repotoire for starting, I prefer to put them in the
> > > > > > bullpen as long relief or setup guys.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But of course, Colletti spend most of his money
> > > > > > on the offensive side, so all we have in the #4 &
#5
> > > > > > slots are Tomko and the prayer that Billingsbey can
> > > > > > break through - unless Weaver can be resigned.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think Kuo has a very good chance to make the
> > > > > > team too, perhaps beating out Wunsch for the
> > > > > > situational lefty slot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would've prefered Colletti go with Choi\Saenz
> > > > > > instead of Nomar and use the 10 million on Millwood
> > > > > > or Washburn.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hope Colletti has no intention of signing R.
> > > > > > Sanders any longer as the Dodgers won't be
competing
> > > > > > in a seniors league next year.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Kristin
> > > > > > > To: DODGERS@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:20 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [DODGERS] Re: Giovanni Carrara
> > > > > > signs a minor league deal...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was thinking about that too. We have arms but
> > > > > > they are mostly young. We have Eric Gagne, Yhencey
> > > > > > Brazoban, Duaner Sanchez, Jonathan Broxton (if he
> > > > > > makes the team), Osoria (I don't know his first
> > > > > > name), Kelly Wunsch (minor league deal, might be
out
> > > > > > til mid season though). I would like another
veteran
> > > > > > or two to put in there, to take the spots left by
> > > > > > Carrara, Alvarez & Dessens.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kristin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > louvox louvox@y... wrote:
> > > > > > > Glad to see him go (Mr. Long ball) we got rid
of
> > > > > > him once already and
> > > > > > > he managed to get back. With such great
> > > > > > importance put a bullpen these
> > > > > > > days, the focus really should be there. Other
> > > > > > than Gagne and Brazaban
> > > > > > > whom do we really have? In my humble opinion
> > > > > > that's are week link so
> > > > > > > far.
> > > > > > > Louis
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
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