Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
Cycle_Hitchin · Cycle Hitchin
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Want to share photos of your group with the world? Add a group photo to Flickr.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
Paynes Park / Bedford Rd gyratory Proposals from HCC   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #144 of 193 |
Re: Paynes Park / Bedford Rd gyratory Proposals from HCC

I'd agree that we need to be as positive as possible. On the other hand, doing
that is difficult because there must be worries. Some thoughts:

* The proposed pavement path recognises that, in practice, many cyclists seem to
choose to use that as a place to ride even now, when it is illegal. The proposal
will meet that clear demand.

However:

* Cycle accidents mostly happen at junctions. Cycle paths often make the risk
worse, by moving cyclists nearer to hedges and fences, thus reducing sight lines
between cyclists and emerging motorists. They also put cyclists "out of sight,
out of mind" for motorists turning off the main road. It seems, therefore, that
the proposals will increase the chances of collisions at the health centre car
park, Elmside Walk, Christchurch car park and Grammar School Walk, and reduce
safety overall.

* As a confident cyclist, I am relatively happy on the road at present. A
narrower road will be more difficult for cyclists who choose to use it, as
motorists will try to squeeze past. Thus, the risks for on-road cyclists will
also be increased, whereas at present Bedford Road is easily the best of the
three sides of the one-way system.

* At the same time, a path may create conflict with drivers who expect cyclists
to use it, and resent their presence on the road.

* The path is very focussed on travel between Oughtonhead Way and the town
centre. In reality, cyclists come from and go to many places. What about
Westmill and West Hill, for example?

* There is no provision in Brand Street, but cyclists coming along the path will
probably be encouraged to continue on the pavement there.

Personally, I think I might ditch the entire proposal, and spend the money
instead on a route into the top end of Lower Tilehouse Street, using new toucan
crossings of Paynes Park and Old Park Road, plus an adaptation of Nuns Close.
Cyclists returning from town would need to be exempted from the no right turn at
the end of Sun Street. I'd also signpost a route along Elmside Walk and make it
formally shared use.

By the way, that's completely the opposite side of town from me, so this is not
self-interest ;-)




Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:04 pm

drossall
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #144 of 193 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

[cid:image001.gif@...]Dear all I have just received details of HCC's proposals for conversion of the footway alongside Bedford Road to shared...
Alasdair Massie
alasdairmassie
Offline Send Email
Mar 23, 2009
10:54 am

I'd agree that we need to be as positive as possible. On the other hand, doing that is difficult because there must be worries. Some thoughts: * The proposed...
David Rossall
drossall
Offline Send Email
Mar 23, 2009
11:59 pm

Dear David, Thanks for your comments. Nice to see that these reflect many of the points that I have already made to HCC. To keep people in touch, yesterday I...
Alasdair Massie
alasdairmassie
Offline Send Email
Mar 24, 2009
10:31 am

A few thoughts. 1. The only advantage of this scheme seems to be that it will allow contraflow cycling from the town centre to Oughtonhead Way. Bedford Road is...
db27182-hertscycle@...
dbhertscycle
Offline Send Email
Mar 25, 2009
1:56 am

I'm interested in Alasdair's comments on lorries and buses in Bedford Road. I've thought it over and I still prefer the current width. Cyclists are mostly in...
David Rossall
drossall
Offline Send Email
Mar 25, 2009
8:12 am

Would somebody like to nip down to Old Park Rd and take a photo of the buildout mentioned ? Whilst you are there, a couple of photos of the exit to Waitrose...
Alasdair Massie
alasdairmassie
Offline Send Email
Mar 25, 2009
11:44 am
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help