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ctclogo small.gifDear all,

 

Several people have rightly expressed concern about the works going on in Paynes Park / Bedford Road and the apparent lack of any thought for cycling. Thanks to the noise made by some of you and the intervention of Simon Young at NHDC we managed to arrange a meeting with the designers at Herts Highways. It was a very positive meeting, the engineers listened and took on board much of what was said. Whether this will survive the many layers of review and auditing that highway projects go through we do not know.

 

We were asked to keep the plans and our discussions confidential. I stated my view that it is always better to be open with people, and that secrecy just generates suspicion. We have however respected HH’s request and kept this to ourselves. However, Roxanne Glaud of Herts Highways has been quoting snippets out of context in correspondence so it is time that we made our views public.

 

For those with access to the “Cycle Hitchin” forum the letter can be found in the group file space at:

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cycle_Hitchin/files/HCC%20270109%20Paynes%20Pk%20Jubilee%20Rd.pdf

 

For everybody else, a copy will shortly be available on the CTC North Herts campaign page. (sorry Tina, could you add this one to your list please).

 

Please sharpen your pencils or keyboards and ask your Councillor why HH seem free to pursue their own agenda instead of following the plan that was developed through public consultation.

 

My email to Roxanne Glaud at Herts Highways, and dialogue between Roxanne and Dave Borner  follows:

Regards
 
 
 
Alasdair DV Massie CEng MIStructE

CTC Right to Ride Representative, North Herts

CTC is Britain’s largest cycling organisation with 70,000 members. Formed in 1878 we have actively campaigned for better, safer roads, locally and nationally since our inception.

We have a large and active section for North Herts and Stevenage.

 

 

From: Alasdair Massie
Sent: 12 February 2009 11:39
To: 'Roxanne Glaud'; David Borner
Cc: Derrick Ashley; Richard Thake; Simon Young; Stuart Pile; David Burt; 'alasdair_massie@...'
Subject: RE: Danger to Cyclists - Old Park Road, Hitchin

 

ctclogo small.gifDear Roxanne,

 

I am sorry but I have to butt in on this discussion. To suggest that the works in Bedford Road are somehow about making it an inviting area for elderly people is disingenuous in the extreme. Since when did groups representing the elderly show any enthusiasm for shared pavement cycleways and high speed gyratories ?

 

This scheme prioritises motor traffic, in direct conflict with HCC’s stated User Hierarchy, for no real gain to car users and at the expense of all non-motorised users.

 

Please do not patronise us by pretending it is about poor little old ladies. For you information, poor little old ladies often rely upon their bicycles to get about because they do not own a car and they have difficulty in walking for any distance. For many people a bicycle is not a toy or a convenient vehicle, it is a vital mobility aid that allows them to overcome what would otherwise be a debilitating disability.

 

If you take the time to read your own policies and the Manual for Streets you will find in them the “Hierarchy of Measures” for both pedestrians and cyclists. The favoured measures are the same – reduce traffic volume, reduce traffic speed. Pavement conversion is a measure of last resort which suits neither user well.

 

The solution for the Bedford Road gyratory is clear and well known – restore two way traffic flow, which removes almost ALL of the traffic from Bedford Road and Paynes Park. It is in the 1998 Transport Plan. Public support was good – nearly twice as many in favour as in opposition. It was in the 1999 Cycle Network Plan as well, and the same issues were coming up yesterday at the Hitchin Transport Plan workshop.

 

Herts Highways have had a decade to think about this and plan for it and design how it should be done. What have you been doing all of that time ? Why when you started an expensive and disruptive road rebuilding scheme did you not already have this pre-planned and thought through ? In short, why were you so pathetically unprepared ? It was all there for you, all you had to do was put the plan into reality.

 

Now I have used language more colourfully than I would otherwise choose to do, and may have caused offence by doing so. I am sorry if this is the case but we were asked by Herts Highways NOT to make the plans, or the results of our discussions, public. We respected that even though we believe that it is counter productive to keep people in the dark. So, I would be very grateful if you returned that respect by NOT QUOTING SMALL PARTS OF OUR COMMENTS OUT OF CONTEXT. If you want a nugget to pass on to members of the public then you would be better off using this one :

 

We have concerns that we were being presented with two, bottom of hierarchy “solutions” that fail to address problems with the road hierarchy at source, and instead target the “symptoms” by removing cyclists from the carriageway.

 

Our comments are attached, in full, so that people can see for themselves what our comments are, rather than having little bits of them passed on by people who have their own agenda. For the record, neither 3.0m lanes nor 3.5m lanes are satisfactory in the environment of the Paynes Park gyratory. Both lie within the “critical” range for the mix of traffic encountered and will make for intimidating cycling. The proposals put forward and discussed are not, by any measure, a solution – only an attempt to get the best out of a bad job. The solution is to restore 2 way flow and you should have planned for it.

Let us see some action behind the retoric. Let us see Herts Highways actually put the needs of pedestrians and cyclists, using the roads a matter of yards from the town centre, at the top of the list of priorities instead of right at the bottom. Leaving people the scraps that are left after all of the usable space has been dedicated to people driving around in circles is NOT in accordance with any guidelines at any level of government.

So, spare us the weasel words please and get on with the task that the people of Hitchin said they wanted you to do over ten years ago.

Regards
 
 
 
Alasdair DV Massie CEng MIStructE

CTC Right to Ride Representative, North Herts

CTC is Britain’s largest cycling organisation with 70,000 members. Formed in 1878 we have actively campaigned for better, safer roads, locally and nationally since our inception.

We have a large and active section for North Herts and Stevenage.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roxanne Glaud [mailto:roxanne.glaud@...]
Sent: 12 February 2009 10:32
To: David Borner
Cc: Alasdair Massie; Derrick Ashley; Richard Thake; Simon Young; Stuart Pile; David Burt
Subject: Re: Danger to Cyclists - Old Park Road, Hitchin

 

David

 

Thank you for your email.

 

Unfortunately we are unable to provide an alternative route for cyclist as

part of this scheme.

 

We have followed the TMA 2004 act which calls for a prioritisation of users

based on location and in this instance we had to address the needs of some

users who have no alternative in their ability to access the town centre.

These users are  the visually impaired and other disable people within the

locale of this area were prioritised.

 

Kind regards

Roxanne

 

 

 

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|         |           David Borner     |

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|         |           12/02/2009 10:24 |

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  |       To:       Roxanne Glaud <roxanne.glaud@...>                                                           |

  |       cc:       Derrick Ashley <derrick.ashley@...>, Richard Thake <racthake@...>, Simon Young         |

  |        <simon.young@...>, Stuart Pile <stuart.pile@...>, Alasdair Massie                           |

  |        <a.massie@...>                                                                                           |

  |       Subject:  Re: Danger to Cyclists - Old Park Road, Hitchin                                                              |

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 Roxanne,                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                     

 I think you may be getting a little confused here. In Bedford Road, narrowing the lanes further will allow a greater width for the proposed off-road

 pavement cycle lane. There is no such proposal for Old Park Road.                                                                                    

                                                                                                                                                     

 When I cycle along Old Park Road I find it very unpleasant, but at least there is adequate lane width to allow overtaking. I strongly suspect your  

 proposed 3.25m lane width has much the same problem with "squeezing past" as a 3.5m width. I am not sure that reducing the width to 3.0m as in      

 Bedford Road would be wise as cyclists then become human speed bumps causing the traffic to slow down or change lanes, although it might be         

 marginally better than the "squeezing past" option.                                                                                                  

                                                                                                                                                     

 It is a pity that HH did not consult CTC (or local road users) about Old Park Road before starting the work. Could I ask that you consult CTC as a  

 matter of urgency now? The delays caused to the roadworks by bad weather may give an opportunity to alter this scheme before too much money is      

 spent.                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                      

 The Hitchin Cycle Network proposed alternatives to the Old Park Road route, which are unfortunately not available yet. Implementing these now might 

 be another alternative.                                                                                                                              

                                                                                                                                                     

 Regards                                                                                                                                              

                                                                                                                                                      

 David Borner                                                                                                                                        

                                                                                                                                                      

 --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Roxanne Glaud <roxanne.glaud@...> wrote:                                                                      

  From: Roxanne Glaud <roxanne.glaud@...>                                                                                           

  Subject: Re: Danger to Cyclists - Old Park Road, Hitchin                                                                                           

  To: "David Borner" <dborner@...>                                                                                                             

  Cc: "Derrick Ashley" <derrick.ashley@...>, "Richard Thake" <racthake@...>, "Simon Young" <simon.young@...>,   

  "Stuart Pile" <stuart.pile@...>, "Huw Hamer" <huw.hamer@...>, "Graham Harris" <graham.harris@...>     

  Date: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 5:12 PM                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                     

  Mr Bonner                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                     

  Apologies for the delay in responding.                                                                                                              

                                                                                                                                                     

  A research project produced by TRL demonstrated that where too much width                                                                          

  had been provided at narrowings then their was a                                                                                                   

   tendency for car/lorries                                                                                                                          

  to attempt to push pass a cyclist without passing out of the cycle lane and                                                                         

  therefore the project recommended that critical widths were avoided.                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                      

  Information provided by CTC in their response to the new cycle lane on                                                                             

  Bedford Road have highlighted that traffic lanes of 3.5m are of a critical                                                                         

  with allowing HGVs to push pass a cyclist but without enough space to do                                                                            

  safely.  They go on to say that reducing the lane width would ensure that                                                                          

  HGV's needed to change lane when attempting to overtake a cyclist.   They                                                                           

  highlight that there is no right answer as the resulting width would still                                                                         

  be in a critical range for car/cycle usage.                                                                                                        

                                                                                                                                                      

  HCC has aimed to implement schemes that will incorporate the guidance set                                                                          

  in the Traffic Management Act (TMA 2004) route user hierarchy. In a town                                                                            

  centre environment a road user hierarchy might give particular attention to                                                                        

  the accessibility needs of pedestrians                                                                                                              

   and people with disabilities,                                                                                                                     

  including around temporary works. So the resulting hierarchy might be:                                                                             

            • Visually impaired and other disabled people                                                                                             

            • Pedestrians                                                                                                                            

            • Cyclists                                                                                                                                

            • Buses and Public Transport (including taxis and private hire                                                                           

      vehicles)                                                                                                                                       

            • Freight (including loading facilities)                                                                                                  

            • Private cars and motorcycles                                                                                                           

            • On street parking                                                                                                                      

                                                                                                                                                      

  As highlighted earlier in the correspondence we have prioritised                                                                                   

  improvements for pedestrian and the elderly to implement the Old Park Road                                                                         

  crossing and due to the space restrictions on Old Park Road this space has                                                                         

  had to be taken from other road users. Additionally, the proposal to reduce                                                                        

  the width of the carriageway was reviewed by an independent safety Audit                                                                            

  Team and they were satisfied that safety would not be jeopardised. It was                                                                          

  felt that the wider footways would be particularly                                                                                                  

   appreciated by                                                                                                                                    

  pedestrians especially those with impaired mobility from the Cheshire Home.                                                                        

  As previously mentioned, a Safety Audit 3 will be undertaken upon scheme                                                                            

  completion and any issues raised will be remedied.                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                      

                                                                                                                                                     

  Kind regards                                                                                                                                        

  Roxanne Glaud                                                                                                                                       

  Strategy Development Manager -                                                                                                                     

  Northern Hertfordshire                                                                                                                              

  Transport, Programme and Standards Unit                                                                                                            

  Hertfordshire Highways                                                                                                                              

  01707 356580                                                                                                                                       

  www.hertsdirect.org.uk                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                      

                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                      

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  |         |           David Borner     |                                                                                                           

  |         |           <dborner@...|                                                                                                           

  |         |           m>               |                                                                                                            

  |         |                            |                                                                                                           

  |         |           09/02/2009 14:56 |                                                                                                            

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                                                   |                                                                                                 

    |       To:       Roxanne Glaud <roxanne.glaud@...>                                                                              

                                                         |                                                                                           

    |       cc:       Derrick Ashley <derrick.ashley@...>,                                                                                 

  Richard Thake <racthake@...>, Stuart Pile         |                                                                                     

    |        <stuart.pile@...>, Simon Young                                                                                               

  <simon.young@...>                                                                                                                    

   |                                                                                                                                                 

    |       Subject:  Re: Danger to Cyclists - Old Park Road, Hitchin                                                                                 

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   Roxanne,                                                                                                                                          

                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                      

                                                                                                                                                     

   If Old Park Road is to be narrowed to 6.5m, that means 3.25m per lane. An                                                                         

  average HGV width is 2.5m, leaving 0.75m free. Cyclists are recommended to                                                                         

   ride 1m from the kerb - so I hope you can begin to see the problem.                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                      

                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                      

   I have included an article below on this issue, from which you can see that a                                                                     

  lane width of 4.25 or 4.5m is more appropriate. I                                                                                                  

   am not sure what the                                                                                                                               

   maximum achievable lane width would be in Old Park Road, but doubt if even                                                                        

  that would really be enough. Clearly, unnecessary narrowing is not very                                                                             

   sensible.                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                      

                                                                                                                                                      

                                                                                                                                                     

   If it is unavoidable to narrow Old Park Road because of pedestrian                                                                                 

  considerations then some other safe alternative for cyclists needs to be                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                      

   provided.                                                                               &nbs



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