No, now they will start whining about us wanting some positivity.  Personally I give up.  As long as it constructive negativity and not mean to any one player or player bashing then I am going to ignore them.  As they go on and on and on I will thank the lord daily that I am not their wife, girlfriend, sister, mother or even casual aquaintence because how horrible would that be.

Emma Guzman <mar13_2408@...> wrote:

I think this will stop the whining 4 about 1 day.tops.Good Job Bonnie.I hope it works.

theratdiva <TheRatDiva@...> wrote:

Okay, so, Chicks and I were talking over IM last night about how
disgusted we are with the DH board: I mean, we've had four solid
starts/wins, and not only are these guys still bitching, but they've
totally neglected to acknowledge what our team and pitchers have
done. They ignore the fact that ZMan buckled down and regained
control. They ignore the fact that Prior and Wood came off the DL and
kicked ass...  and they ignore the fact that Maddux showed everyone
what an "old man" can do... So, I decided to ask them the following
question: "Is it possible, when the Cubs are winning, to stop
complaining?" (Not that I agree with some of their complaints even
when the boys have trouble).

The following is a copy of the message I posted on that board. As
always, I may have started a shit storm, and if I did, I apologize if
any of you feel it's annoying or unwarranted.

Bonnie

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Come on, guys, we've had 4 wins in a row, with our pitchers taking
control.

How come no one has said, hey, Prior and Woody are back? Or, wow,
Zman really pulled it together? Or, geez, Maddux is doing well, and
right now, he's our most stable pitcher and has the most wins?

You guys can jump all over me if you want, I don't care anymore,
because this has to be said: even when things are going well for us,
you guys have to find something to complain about. You know why
Smackermack asks for positive posts? Because there are hardly any on
this board anymore! The team wins, a player does an excellent job,
and there's not a word about that... instead you guys find some new
thing to nitpick and go on about.

Get over it; stop harshening everyone's buzz.
Bonnie

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GuBonnie and Smacker,

I have to respectfully disagree about something here. I, too, hate
negativity
and there has been plenty on this board in the last few months.
Having said
that, I believe most of what is being posted now is constructive and
deals with
trades to improve the team we all love and agonize over. If you do
not want to
"harp" on a player becuase he is a Cub and you are optimistic that is
okie-dokie
by me, but if somebody wants to point out faults in a player like CP
and does it
in a constructive manner that should also be fine. The cubs have
played very
well the last 4 games, however the team needs to build on that and
play a lot
more consistently before I will be happy.

Furthermore, I do not believe this board to by un-typical in any way,
shape or
form. By that I mean that any board i have ever belonged to has always
generated more posts when the team did poorly, than visa-versa.

As a poster, don't send out an e-mail pleading for postive posts from
others. I
can not speak for others, but personally that makes me less likely to
respond.
Rather, post something positive yourself, and see if other posters
jump all over
that thread. I have seen a lot of positive things in the last few
games, but
becuase of all the "pleading" have been reluctant to post my thoughts.

Anyhow, that is just my .02.

Nat

GRRRRRRRRRRRR  -  What a wonderful response - seems to be member
bashing  lol


--- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, TM <chicksdigwood@y...> wrote:
> No, now they will start whining about us wanting some positivity.
Personally I give up.  As long as it constructive negativity and not
mean to any one player or player bashing then I am going to ignore
them.  As they go on and on and on I will thank the lord daily that I
am not their wife, girlfriend, sister, mother or even casual
aquaintence because how horrible would that be.
>
> Emma Guzman <mar13_2408@y...> wrote:I think this will stop the
whining 4 about 1 day.tops.Good Job Bonnie.I hope it works.
>
> theratdiva <TheRatDiva@a...> wrote: Okay, so, Chicks and I were
talking over IM last night about how
> disgusted we are with the DH board: I mean, we've had four solid
> starts/wins, and not only are these guys still bitching, but
they've
> totally neglected to acknowledge what our team and pitchers have
> done. They ignore the fact that ZMan buckled down and regained
> control. They ignore the fact that Prior and Wood came off the DL
and
> kicked ass...  and they ignore the fact that Maddux showed everyone
> what an "old man" can do... So, I decided to ask them the following
> question: "Is it possible, when the Cubs are winning, to stop
> complaining?" (Not that I agree with some of their complaints even
> when the boys have trouble).
>
> The following is a copy of the message I posted on that board. As
> always, I may have started a shit storm, and if I did, I apologize
if
> any of you feel it's annoying or unwarranted.
>
> Bonnie
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
> Come on, guys, we've had 4 wins in a row, with our pitchers taking
> control.
>
> How come no one has said, hey, Prior and Woody are back? Or, wow,
> Zman really pulled it together? Or, geez, Maddux is doing well, and
> right now, he's our most stable pitcher and has the most wins?
>
> You guys can jump all over me if you want, I don't care anymore,
> because this has to be said: even when things are going well for
us,
> you guys have to find something to complain about. You know why
> Smackermack asks for positive posts? Because there are hardly any
on
> this board anymore! The team wins, a player does an excellent job,
> and there's not a word about that... instead you guys find some new
> thing to nitpick and go on about.
>
> Get over it; stop harshening everyone's buzz.
> Bonnie
>
>
>
>
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>
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Smacker,

I look at it this way: if you're going to complain when they're doing
poorly, the least you can do is give credit to them when they win. I
mean, shouldn't they want to congratulate the players when they do
something well?

I was really pissed off by the comment that Maddux should be traded,
especially considering that he has the most wins and has been a rock
in the storm when it comes to our pitchers (what with the injuries
and all). Not only that, but there have been many games where I was
really proud of him for bringing in a winning attitude (vs BoSox and
CWS to name a few). The CWS win was after the little zinger about
trading him, but has anyone said "I might have been a bit hasty?":
no. Has anyone bothered to say, hey, our pitchers (Maddy included)
have done well? No! Not even when Prior kicked ass, despite the way
that they were treating him like the golden boy of the team (not that
Mark didn't do well, he did... but one would think if they all
thought he was so much better than the others, they would at least
mention his great win...).

I'm just tired of the DH group being this way: I think they need to
stop and think about how negative they are. I could have posted a lot
about Maddy and the other pitchers doing well on that board, but I
know I will get crap for it. I'd rather post here, in this smaller
group, where I know that you guys know where I'm coming from.

Know what the saddest thing is? We fangirls here in this group
OBVIOUSLY know more about the game of baseball and its intricacies
than all of these men... They should be ashamed: maybe they are and
that's why they give us crap. I know that some people are intimidated
by me when we start to discuss Maddy (because I've watched him for
more than half of my life and I know a lot about his life, how he
thinks on the mound, and what I can expect out of him)and I will
defend him vehemently. Don't get me wrong, I like other players and I
love the Cubbies, but my loyalty to Maddy is very strong. It truly
saddens and sickens me that the men on the DH board do not realize
who he is and what he represents. Then again, since he has done more
with his life than most of these guys probably have, I wouldn't be
surprised if they were jealous of his achievements and the loyalty
that he inspires in his fans.

Sorry, got off on a rant there. The only diehard thing about that
group is that they are diehard piss-ants who would rather search for
something to bitch about than to relax and enjoy the games.

Bonnie

--- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, "S. MacKinney"
<smacker5a@j...> wrote:
> I was just on the DH board - You hit the nail on the head.  Even
> Roger is posting on the positivity threads.  Haven't heard from
> AZBEARS since they blasted me.  I said WTG Z and Dempster.  Trying
to
> get some to be positive is like pulling teeth with no anesthesia.
>
> Only 2 runs in the last 34 innings and some just can't be
positive.
> Come on Diehards -  lol
>
> -- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, "theratdiva"
<TheRatDiva@a...>
> wrote:
> > Okay, so, Chicks and I were talking over IM last night about how
> > disgusted we are with the DH board: I mean, we've had four solid
> > starts/wins, and not only are these guys still bitching, but
> they've
> > totally neglected to acknowledge what our team and pitchers have
> > done. They ignore the fact that ZMan buckled down and regained
> > control. They ignore the fact that Prior and Wood came off the DL
> and
> > kicked ass...  and they ignore the fact that Maddux showed
everyone
> > what an "old man" can do... So, I decided to ask them the
following
> > question: "Is it possible, when the Cubs are winning, to stop
> > complaining?" (Not that I agree with some of their complaints
even
> > when the boys have trouble).
> >
> > The following is a copy of the message I posted on that board. As
> > always, I may have started a shit storm, and if I did, I
apologize
> if
> > any of you feel it's annoying or unwarranted.
> >
> > Bonnie
> >
> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> >
> > Come on, guys, we've had 4 wins in a row, with our pitchers
taking
> > control.
> >
> > How come no one has said, hey, Prior and Woody are back? Or, wow,
> > Zman really pulled it together? Or, geez, Maddux is doing well,
and
> > right now, he's our most stable pitcher and has the most wins?
> >
> > You guys can jump all over me if you want, I don't care anymore,
> > because this has to be said: even when things are going well for
> us,
> > you guys have to find something to complain about. You know why
> > Smackermack asks for positive posts? Because there are hardly any
> on
> > this board anymore! The team wins, a player does an excellent
job,
> > and there's not a word about that... instead you guys find some
new
> > thing to nitpick and go on about.
> >
> > Get over it; stop harshening everyone's buzz.
> > Bonnie

I was just on the DH board - You hit the nail on the head.  Even
Roger is posting on the positivity threads.  Haven't heard from
AZBEARS since they blasted me.  I said WTG Z and Dempster.  Trying to
get some to be positive is like pulling teeth with no anesthesia.

Only 2 runs in the last 34 innings and some just can't be positive.
Come on Diehards -  lol

-- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, "theratdiva" <TheRatDiva@a...>
wrote:
> Okay, so, Chicks and I were talking over IM last night about how
> disgusted we are with the DH board: I mean, we've had four solid
> starts/wins, and not only are these guys still bitching, but
they've
> totally neglected to acknowledge what our team and pitchers have
> done. They ignore the fact that ZMan buckled down and regained
> control. They ignore the fact that Prior and Wood came off the DL
and
> kicked ass...  and they ignore the fact that Maddux showed everyone
> what an "old man" can do... So, I decided to ask them the following
> question: "Is it possible, when the Cubs are winning, to stop
> complaining?" (Not that I agree with some of their complaints even
> when the boys have trouble).
>
> The following is a copy of the message I posted on that board. As
> always, I may have started a shit storm, and if I did, I apologize
if
> any of you feel it's annoying or unwarranted.
>
> Bonnie
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
> Come on, guys, we've had 4 wins in a row, with our pitchers taking
> control.
>
> How come no one has said, hey, Prior and Woody are back? Or, wow,
> Zman really pulled it together? Or, geez, Maddux is doing well, and
> right now, he's our most stable pitcher and has the most wins?
>
> You guys can jump all over me if you want, I don't care anymore,
> because this has to be said: even when things are going well for
us,
> you guys have to find something to complain about. You know why
> Smackermack asks for positive posts? Because there are hardly any
on
> this board anymore! The team wins, a player does an excellent job,
> and there's not a word about that... instead you guys find some new
> thing to nitpick and go on about.
>
> Get over it; stop harshening everyone's buzz.
> Bonnie

Okay, so, Chicks and I were talking over IM last night about how
disgusted we are with the DH board: I mean, we've had four solid
starts/wins, and not only are these guys still bitching, but they've
totally neglected to acknowledge what our team and pitchers have
done. They ignore the fact that ZMan buckled down and regained
control. They ignore the fact that Prior and Wood came off the DL and
kicked ass...  and they ignore the fact that Maddux showed everyone
what an "old man" can do... So, I decided to ask them the following
question: "Is it possible, when the Cubs are winning, to stop
complaining?" (Not that I agree with some of their complaints even
when the boys have trouble).

The following is a copy of the message I posted on that board. As
always, I may have started a shit storm, and if I did, I apologize if
any of you feel it's annoying or unwarranted.

Bonnie

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Come on, guys, we've had 4 wins in a row, with our pitchers taking
control.

How come no one has said, hey, Prior and Woody are back? Or, wow,
Zman really pulled it together? Or, geez, Maddux is doing well, and
right now, he's our most stable pitcher and has the most wins?

You guys can jump all over me if you want, I don't care anymore,
because this has to be said: even when things are going well for us,
you guys have to find something to complain about. You know why
Smackermack asks for positive posts? Because there are hardly any on
this board anymore! The team wins, a player does an excellent job,
and there's not a word about that... instead you guys find some new
thing to nitpick and go on about.

Get over it; stop harshening everyone's buzz.
Bonnie

Well,you know,when Greg started back in High School, he was a second
baseman,not a pitcher. It didn't take long for his coach to realize
that Greg had a cannon on his arm...

I just love my baby's accuracy...it's beyond yummy!!

Bonnie

--- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, TM <chicksdigwood@y...> wrote:
> Well I don't know if I have a specific part I like... I just like
it all.  I have always been in awe of pitchers and catchers.  When I
was a lil kid they let me play little league and I wanted to be a
pitcher so bad... thought I was gonna be the first female pitcher in
the show hahahaha except I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn when
I threw the ball.  :-)~
>
>
> theratdiva <TheRatDiva@a...> wrote:
> So, which part of Mark's pitch gets you the most excited? For me,
> when just ends his hop is the point where I drool!
>
> --- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, TM <chicksdigwood@y...>
wrote:
> > I know I am starting to sound like you :-)~  Why do you think I
> harass you so much about Greggy?  Because we are just alike :-)
> >
> > theratdiva <TheRatDiva@a...> wrote:You know, you're starting to
> sound like me! I think Greggy and Mark
> > had better be careful: there is such a thing as being too
delicious
> > for one's own good! :-)
> >
> > Bonnie
> >
> >
> > --- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, TM <chicksdigwood@y...>
> wrote:
> > > Prior was just... oh my  :-)~  I am so happy he is back
> > >
> > > "S. MacKinney" <smacker5a@j...> wrote:I am sure us girls will
not
> > have trouble with this thread lol
> > >
> > > If you saw anything positive about todays game please Post it
> > here!!!
> > >
> > > I will start off with the pitching of Mark Prior. We shall see
> how
> > he
> > > feels tomorrow - but today was just great!!! GOOOOOOOOOOO
> CUBBIES!!!
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So, which part of Mark's pitch gets you the most excited? For me,
when just ends his hop is the point where I drool!

--- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, TM <chicksdigwood@y...> wrote:
> I know I am starting to sound like you :-)~  Why do you think I
harass you so much about Greggy?  Because we are just alike :-)
>
> theratdiva <TheRatDiva@a...> wrote:You know, you're starting to
sound like me! I think Greggy and Mark
> had better be careful: there is such a thing as being too delicious
> for one's own good! :-)
>
> Bonnie 
>
>
> --- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, TM <chicksdigwood@y...>
wrote:
> > Prior was just... oh my  :-)~  I am so happy he is back
> >
> > "S. MacKinney" <smacker5a@j...> wrote:I am sure us girls will not
> have trouble with this thread lol
> >
> > If you saw anything positive about todays game please Post it
> here!!!
> >
> > I will start off with the pitching of Mark Prior. We shall see
how
> he
> > feels tomorrow - but today was just great!!! GOOOOOOOOOOO
CUBBIES!!!
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So, which part of Mark's pitch gets you the most excited? For me,
when just ends his hop is the point where I drool!

--- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, TM <chicksdigwood@y...> wrote:
> I know I am starting to sound like you :-)~  Why do you think I
harass you so much about Greggy?  Because we are just alike :-)
>
> theratdiva <TheRatDiva@a...> wrote:You know, you're starting to
sound like me! I think Greggy and Mark
> had better be careful: there is such a thing as being too delicious
> for one's own good! :-)
>
> Bonnie
>
>
> --- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, TM <chicksdigwood@y...>
wrote:
> > Prior was just... oh my  :-)~  I am so happy he is back
> >
> > "S. MacKinney" <smacker5a@j...> wrote:I am sure us girls will not
> have trouble with this thread lol
> >
> > If you saw anything positive about todays game please Post it
> here!!!
> >
> > I will start off with the pitching of Mark Prior. We shall see
how
> he
> > feels tomorrow - but today was just great!!! GOOOOOOOOOOO
CUBBIES!!!
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You know, you're starting to sound like me! I think Greggy and Mark
had better be careful: there is such a thing as being too delicious
for one's own good! :-)

Bonnie


--- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, TM <chicksdigwood@y...> wrote:
> Prior was just... oh my  :-)~  I am so happy he is back
>
> "S. MacKinney" <smacker5a@j...> wrote:I am sure us girls will not
have trouble with this thread lol
>
> If you saw anything positive about todays game please Post it
here!!!
>
> I will start off with the pitching of Mark Prior. We shall see how
he
> feels tomorrow - but today was just great!!! GOOOOOOOOOOO CUBBIES!!!
>
>
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Smacker,

Well which is it then?? YOu post that we all have differing
opinions, and
people should just not read posts they don't agree with. At the same
time, you
bemoan the negative posts on this board and try to initiate threads
that only
deal with positives. So which way is it going to be?? I think that
you need to
go back and read your post ...

Nat

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-------------- Original message from smackermack
<no_reply@yahoogroups.com>:
--------------

THIS IS THE PLACE FOR DIEHARD CUBS FANS!!! No matter what..we stick
with our Cubbies!! but we also have good conversation on what we
would do to make this team a champion...just no bashing other
members..sometimes we have to agree to disagree..but we all have the
same thing in common We are Cubs fans!!!GO CUBS GO ...


Time for this again. This is obviously an agree to disagree post
about Greg Maddux. We are all on the same side. Everyone here is a
Cubs Fan - we have differing opinions because we just do.

If you don't like what a particular poster or post says, then you
have the choice not to read it. If you Choose to read them, then
just take what others have to say. Differing opinions make this a
great place, and there is room for more opinions than just one.

In a week where another professional pitcher accused him of cheating
and a so-called "Die-hard" fan called for him to be traded, Maddy came
right back on Saturday and served both of them (and any other nay-
sayers) a nice, warm cup of shut-the-hell-up! It's funny, when I talk
to a lot of other people (not you guys, obviously) they find some lame
way to detract from Greg's work by calling him old, etc. Well, I think
that Greg showed them all exactly what I was talking about earlier: he
still has the ability to bring it hard and heavy (I shouldn't talk like
that, I'm getting myself excited :-) and show everyone just what he's
made of.

Once again, I'm so proud of my Maddy, it's almost indescribable...
Let's just say, if you hear that a woman jumped on him, yelled "I'm SO
proud of YOU!" and kissed him before the cops pulled her off of him and
took her to jail, you guys should DEFINITELY start getting the bail
money together!! LOLOLOL!!!

Bonnie

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If you saw anything positive about todays game please Post it here!!!

I will start off with the pitching of Mark Prior. We shall see how he
feels tomorrow - but today was just great!!! GOOOOOOOOOOO CUBBIES!!!

W: M. Prior (5-1) L: J. Garland (12-3) S: R. Dempster (11)

Need I say more!!!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOO  CUBBIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

CBS SportsLine.com wire reports

CHICAGO -- Pitch by pitch, Greg Maddux delivered the message: At 39,
he's still effective.

He hit all corners, overcame one rough inning and helped the Chicago
Cubs beat the White Sox 6-2 Saturday to end their crosstown rival's
eight-game winning streak.

"When he gets a feel for his pitches, he's awesome," teammate Todd
Walker said.

Aramis Ramirez supported Maddux with the fifth grand slam of his
career, and left fielder Todd Hollandsworth prevented a home run.

Maddux (7-4) scattered five hits in six innings, struck out six and
did not walk a batter. With his 312th win, he moved past Tom Seaver
into sole possession of 17th place on the career list.

The Cubs improved to 37-36, and Mark Prior and Kerry Wood are about
to come off the disabled list. Prior is scheduled to start Sunday,
and Wood is expected to pitch Wednesday against Milwaukee.

"We've got a lot of time left," Maddux said. "We're over .500. We
need to get 20 games over to have a legitimate shot at the
postseason. ... The Astros came from a lot further back last year."

CUBS WIN CUBS WIN - Maddy wins too !!!


--- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, TM <chicksdigwood@y...> wrote:
> Ok CP got on base :-) AND then Ramirez gets a grand slam... GO
CUBBIES!!!!
>
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DM - replied to my post and thought I was talking about the entire
team in the post I put up there!!  I had to point out that the post
he was responding to was about Greg Maddux only.  Geez -  what a
bunch of negative Nellies and Nelsons on that board!!!


--- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, TM <chicksdigwood@y...>
wrote:
> I was going to say the exact same thing... nobody is perfect every
day... we all have our off days but hell we are human and allowed to
make mistakes.
>
> "S. MacKinney" <smacker5a@j...> wrote:I would ask Tom if he always
has perfect days at work???  This is
> the individuals on the team's JOB.  We are all entitled to have an
> off day or two.   I am gonna recopy my earlier e-mail about the DH
> board and see if Roger does something about it.
>
>
> --- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, "theratdiva"
> <TheRatDiva@a...> wrote:
> > Tom has already responded, of course... in a way that really
> annoys
> > me. He said "as Cubs fans, we have a right to be upset if our
> players
> > aren't cutting it"... hmm, sounds an awful lot like "because
> they're
> > celebrities, we own them".
> >
> > I really hope that none of the players read the DH board...
> >
> > Bonnie
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, "theratdiva"
> > <TheRatDiva@a...> wrote:
> > > Hey, guys,
> > >
> > > I just wanted to warn you that I may have started a major shit
> > storm
> > > on the diehard board.
> > >
> > > It finally happened, although not in a grand fashion... but
> you'll
> > > all know why I went off once you read this...
> > >
> > > Tom Speziale suggested that the Cubs need to trade Maddux in
> order
> > to
> > > be successful from hereon. I don't like to get nasty, and I
> still
> > > haven't hit critical mass, but there are just some things that
> make
> > > me sick as hell...
> > >
> > > The following is what I wrote. I think that all of you will
> agree
> > > with the sentiments I expressed, whether you feel the same
about
> > > Maddy or not...
> > >
> > > Bonnie
> > >
> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > >
> > > From the DieHard Group:
> > >
> > > I can't believe that you're turning on Maddux. First of all,
the
> way
> > > that he pitches (and has ALWAYS pitched) is that he warms up
and
> > gets
> > > better as the season progresses. Secondly, there have been 2
or 3
> > > games (at least) that he pitched well enough to win, but the
> rest of
> > > the team could not get behind him. Third, the man is a
plethora
> of
> > > knowledge for the rest of the team, the pitchers especially.
> It's
> > not
> > > Greg's fault (or any of the starters, really) that the Cubs
> didn't
> > go
> > > out and get themselves a good set of relievers over the off
> season
> > (I
> > > mean, come on, not only did they hold on to Hawkins after he
had
> > > problems last year, but they kept turning to him earlier this
> year).
> > > I'm not saying that Greg doesn't have bad outings, he does, all
> > > pitchers do... but, in my opinion (and goodness knows,
everyone
> else
> > > has voiced theirs at one point or another, so bash me at will
> since
> > > that's how it goes on this board)the Cubs have failed Maddux
and
> all
> > > of their starters. Beyond that, who knows... maybe it's not
even
> the
> > > relief staff, maybe it's the coaches that they work with.
> > >
> > > Regardless, it amazes me how fickle everyone is... if a player
> has a
> > > bad game, you call for his head. I've been on this board for
> over a
> > > year and I've noticed that when the Cubs do poorly, you kick
them
> > > hard... but when they do well, you guys either have to find
some
> > > minute thing to go off about, or you just don't post... isn't
> that
> > > strange? No constructive criticism, no analyzing what's gone
> wrong
> > or
> > > how to fix it, just "trade him. ax him. he sucks, and not only
> that,
> > > but if you disagree with me, then you suck too".
> > >
> > > I'll tell you guys, I have been slowing growing more and more
> > > irritated with this board and the attacks on both players and
> other
> > > posters, and hey, if you want to criticize constructively,
fine:
> but
> > > I can't just sit back idly while people start to attack
Maddux. I
> > > truly wonder if some of you have the slightest clue what an
> > > incredible asset he is, as a player, and to baseball itself.
He's
> > > someone who gives all that he has to every game. There's no
> greater
> > > gentleman in the game, no one else like him. And yet, someone
> here
> > is
> > > willing to treat him like he's no better than a washed up
> individual
> > > to trade away without a second thought.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com, Tom Speziale
> > > <tomspeziale2005@y...> wrote:
> > > Jim,
> > >  With all do respect; the split ain't going to cut it. It was
> > > against the Brew Crew!! They are one of the worst hitting
teams
> in
> > > baseball and we can't get keep them down. Yes; the bullpen
stunk
> > > today but Glendon Rusch did not have a quality start again and
Z
> was
> > > absoultely horrible the past few outings. We should have won at
> > > minimum 3 out of 4. This was a joke! These guys should be
> > > absolutely embarrased with their play. 90 million dollars for
> this!!
> > >
> > > After this weekend, we are going to be under .500 again and we
> will
> > > struggle to get back to it the rest of the year. Hallosworth,
> > > Patterson, Remlinger, Barowski and perhaps Maddux should be
> traded
> > or
> > > let go by the trade deadline.
>
>
>
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I would ask Tom if he always has perfect days at work???  This is
the individuals on the team's JOB.  We are all entitled to have an
off day or two.   I am gonna recopy my earlier e-mail about the DH
board and see if Roger does something about it.


--- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, "theratdiva"
<TheRatDiva@a...> wrote:
> Tom has already responded, of course... in a way that really
annoys
> me. He said "as Cubs fans, we have a right to be upset if our
players
> aren't cutting it"... hmm, sounds an awful lot like "because
they're
> celebrities, we own them".
>
> I really hope that none of the players read the DH board...
>
> Bonnie
>
>
>
> --- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, "theratdiva"
> <TheRatDiva@a...> wrote:
> > Hey, guys,
> >
> > I just wanted to warn you that I may have started a major shit
> storm
> > on the diehard board.
> >
> > It finally happened, although not in a grand fashion... but
you'll
> > all know why I went off once you read this...
> >
> > Tom Speziale suggested that the Cubs need to trade Maddux in
order
> to
> > be successful from hereon. I don't like to get nasty, and I
still
> > haven't hit critical mass, but there are just some things that
make
> > me sick as hell...
> >
> > The following is what I wrote. I think that all of you will
agree
> > with the sentiments I expressed, whether you feel the same about
> > Maddy or not...
> >
> > Bonnie
> >
> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> >
> > From the DieHard Group:
> >
> > I can't believe that you're turning on Maddux. First of all, the
way
> > that he pitches (and has ALWAYS pitched) is that he warms up and
> gets
> > better as the season progresses. Secondly, there have been 2 or 3
> > games (at least) that he pitched well enough to win, but the
rest of
> > the team could not get behind him. Third, the man is a plethora
of
> > knowledge for the rest of the team, the pitchers especially.
It's
> not
> > Greg's fault (or any of the starters, really) that the Cubs
didn't
> go
> > out and get themselves a good set of relievers over the off
season
> (I
> > mean, come on, not only did they hold on to Hawkins after he had
> > problems last year, but they kept turning to him earlier this
year).
> > I'm not saying that Greg doesn't have bad outings, he does, all
> > pitchers do... but, in my opinion (and goodness knows, everyone
else
> > has voiced theirs at one point or another, so bash me at will
since
> > that's how it goes on this board)the Cubs have failed Maddux and
all
> > of their starters. Beyond that, who knows... maybe it's not even
the
> > relief staff, maybe it's the coaches that they work with.
> >
> > Regardless, it amazes me how fickle everyone is... if a player
has a
> > bad game, you call for his head. I've been on this board for
over a
> > year and I've noticed that when the Cubs do poorly, you kick them
> > hard... but when they do well, you guys either have to find some
> > minute thing to go off about, or you just don't post... isn't
that
> > strange? No constructive criticism, no analyzing what's gone
wrong
> or
> > how to fix it, just "trade him. ax him. he sucks, and not only
that,
> > but if you disagree with me, then you suck too".
> >
> > I'll tell you guys, I have been slowing growing more and more
> > irritated with this board and the attacks on both players and
other
> > posters, and hey, if you want to criticize constructively, fine:
but
> > I can't just sit back idly while people start to attack Maddux. I
> > truly wonder if some of you have the slightest clue what an
> > incredible asset he is, as a player, and to baseball itself. He's
> > someone who gives all that he has to every game. There's no
greater
> > gentleman in the game, no one else like him. And yet, someone
here
> is
> > willing to treat him like he's no better than a washed up
individual
> > to trade away without a second thought.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com, Tom Speziale
> > <tomspeziale2005@y...> wrote:
> > Jim,
> >  With all do respect; the split ain't going to cut it. It was
> > against the Brew Crew!! They are one of the worst hitting teams
in
> > baseball and we can't get keep them down. Yes; the bullpen stunk
> > today but Glendon Rusch did not have a quality start again and Z
was
> > absoultely horrible the past few outings. We should have won at
> > minimum 3 out of 4. This was a joke! These guys should be
> > absolutely embarrased with their play. 90 million dollars for
this!!
> >
> > After this weekend, we are going to be under .500 again and we
will
> > struggle to get back to it the rest of the year. Hallosworth,
> > Patterson, Remlinger, Barowski and perhaps Maddux should be
traded
> or
> > let go by the trade deadline.

Tom has already responded, of course... in a way that really annoys
me. He said "as Cubs fans, we have a right to be upset if our players
aren't cutting it"... hmm, sounds an awful lot like "because they're
celebrities, we own them".

I really hope that none of the players read the DH board...

Bonnie



--- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, "theratdiva"
<TheRatDiva@a...> wrote:
> Hey, guys,
>
> I just wanted to warn you that I may have started a major shit
storm
> on the diehard board.
>
> It finally happened, although not in a grand fashion... but you'll
> all know why I went off once you read this...
>
> Tom Speziale suggested that the Cubs need to trade Maddux in order
to
> be successful from hereon. I don't like to get nasty, and I still
> haven't hit critical mass, but there are just some things that make
> me sick as hell...
>
> The following is what I wrote. I think that all of you will agree
> with the sentiments I expressed, whether you feel the same about
> Maddy or not...
>
> Bonnie
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
> From the DieHard Group:
>
> I can't believe that you're turning on Maddux. First of all, the way
> that he pitches (and has ALWAYS pitched) is that he warms up and
gets
> better as the season progresses. Secondly, there have been 2 or 3
> games (at least) that he pitched well enough to win, but the rest of
> the team could not get behind him. Third, the man is a plethora of
> knowledge for the rest of the team, the pitchers especially. It's
not
> Greg's fault (or any of the starters, really) that the Cubs didn't
go
> out and get themselves a good set of relievers over the off season
(I
> mean, come on, not only did they hold on to Hawkins after he had
> problems last year, but they kept turning to him earlier this year).
> I'm not saying that Greg doesn't have bad outings, he does, all
> pitchers do... but, in my opinion (and goodness knows, everyone else
> has voiced theirs at one point or another, so bash me at will since
> that's how it goes on this board)the Cubs have failed Maddux and all
> of their starters. Beyond that, who knows... maybe it's not even the
> relief staff, maybe it's the coaches that they work with.
>
> Regardless, it amazes me how fickle everyone is... if a player has a
> bad game, you call for his head. I've been on this board for over a
> year and I've noticed that when the Cubs do poorly, you kick them
> hard... but when they do well, you guys either have to find some
> minute thing to go off about, or you just don't post... isn't that
> strange? No constructive criticism, no analyzing what's gone wrong
or
> how to fix it, just "trade him. ax him. he sucks, and not only that,
> but if you disagree with me, then you suck too".
>
> I'll tell you guys, I have been slowing growing more and more
> irritated with this board and the attacks on both players and other
> posters, and hey, if you want to criticize constructively, fine: but
> I can't just sit back idly while people start to attack Maddux. I
> truly wonder if some of you have the slightest clue what an
> incredible asset he is, as a player, and to baseball itself. He's
> someone who gives all that he has to every game. There's no greater
> gentleman in the game, no one else like him. And yet, someone here
is
> willing to treat him like he's no better than a washed up individual
> to trade away without a second thought.
>
>
>
> --- In DiehardCubsFans@yahoogroups.com, Tom Speziale
> <tomspeziale2005@y...> wrote:
> Jim,
>  With all do respect; the split ain't going to cut it. It was
> against the Brew Crew!! They are one of the worst hitting teams in
> baseball and we can't get keep them down. Yes; the bullpen stunk
> today but Glendon Rusch did not have a quality start again and Z was
> absoultely horrible the past few outings. We should have won at
> minimum 3 out of 4. This was a joke! These guys should be
> absolutely embarrased with their play. 90 million dollars for this!!
>
> After this weekend, we are going to be under .500 again and we will
> struggle to get back to it the rest of the year. Hallosworth,
> Patterson, Remlinger, Barowski and perhaps Maddux should be traded
or
> let go by the trade deadline.

This is exactly what I was talking about the other day... so many
people on the DH list don't look at the big picture. Just because
Maddy didn't win every game doesn't mean that there weren't a few
where he pitched well enough to have done so. I sincerely doubt that
any of these guys really understand what baseball is about. They just
flap their gums without thinking.

Bonnie

--- In Cubbie_Fangirls@yahoogroups.com, TM <chicksdigwood@y...> wrote:
> WTH Tom is talking about trading Maddux again.  Yeah that is the
solution get rid of the one consistant pitcher we have
>
> theratdiva <TheRatDiva@a...> wrote:Ack! Seems that we have had a
bit of trouble with these Brewers! Oh
> well... now we need to go in against the White Sox and WIN!! If for
no
> other reason, to shut up Mark Buerhle!
>
> Bonnie
>
>
>
>
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