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Re: [Combat-Handgun] Re: Ruger P95?


>I don't believe in carrying what everyone else is carrying simply
>because that's what they do.

I think it's important to look at trends & data, particularly with
equipment choices that the most serious users and peak performers make.
Those that think about guns and shooting full time tend to have more
well developed opinions than gun writers (who love every gun they
review) and "average" gun owners.

>After more than a decade there are huge numbers of them on the
streets and in homes in the hands of regular Joe's like me.
The Ford Pinto was a big seller too. Sometimes (most of the time)
price is a big factor in gun selection - much more than whether the
gun's design makes it easier to shoot.

Here are some good articles on the relationship between equipment and
performance in real shootings:

http://www.ghostinc.com/category/.1triggerweight/ - article
referencing several law enforcement articles supporting the concept
that long heavy trigger pulls do not help you win gunfights.

http://www.gunsmagazine.com/Features/0608/Ftr0608.html - explains
that LAPD SIS unit has the best gunfight hit ratio. They carry 1911's.

>What I was asking was how has the actually range/street performance of
>the P95 been after more than ten years of production? (more than
>enough time to collect data). I want stories of dead perps shot with
>P95s, I want to know how well it pointed in a real situation.

Tom Givens, who runs Rangemaster in Memphis, TN (also used to teach
at Gunsite under Col. Cooper), had 7 students involved in real
shootings in the past 2 years.
They fired 29 rounds and hit with 28 of them. Hit ratio of 96%.
I attended Tom's presentation on this data earlier this year at a
training conference.
Like me and most every other private sector firearms trainer, Tom
advocates carrying a gun with the same trigger pull for every shot,
preferably a trigger pull under 6 lbs with a short distance of
travel, specifically Glock and 1911 style handguns.

Is this conclusive? No. You cannot separate performance of the
individual from performance of the gun or the caliber or the load
when you study gunfight data.
Training, skill and level of panic all affect the outcome as much or
more than equipment.
Unless you can find data where all other variables except the gun
used are equal, any analysis of gunfight data is basically worthless
for isolating whether one model works better than others.

Even the LAPD vs NYPD comparisons lump in all the variables: type of
training, frequency of training, and equipment across big agencies.

Shooting competition results are more likely to show you whether a
given type of gun outperforms another.

Karl





Sun May 11, 2008 6:37 pm

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New guy here. What is the general consensus of the Ruger P95? I used to own one years ago when it first came out but sold it, now I'm looking to get another....
yankee_dave_67
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May 11, 2008
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My brother bought one when they first came out, and I have always been a foaming at the mouth Ruger fan.I recently went to buy a good service pistol, and gave...
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May 11, 2008
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I own one. It is no target gun but more then accurate enough for a service weapon. I think the real issue is its bulky blocky size and shape. For me at least...
ftdefiance
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May 11, 2008
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... Depends on what group you are asking. Law enforcement agencies? Overwhelmingly police depts have switched to Glocks or Glock clones (Springfield XD, S&W...
Karl Rehn
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May 11, 2008
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In 2005 the Army awarded a contract for 5000 P95's for armor crews, and also Ruger got a different contract for 3000 P95's for federal prison guards. I don't...
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May 11, 2008
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... I think it's important to look at trends & data, particularly with equipment choices that the most serious users and peak performers make. Those that think...
Karl Rehn
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May 11, 2008
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Thanks Karl, I didn't ask the question, but I was also interested in this gun. Appreciate the in-depth answer. Thanks for taking the time, Len...
LB
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May 12, 2008
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Thank you. But I think this still completely misses my point. I am not concerned about the trigger nor the action. I owned a P95 before, I liked it, I want...
yankee_dave_67
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May 12, 2008
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... I have not seen or heard any reports of frame failures with any of the polymer guns. ... That data will be hard to find. The people that tend to shoot a...
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