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Stopping Power -An Open Question for Gun Experts   Message List  
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Re: Stopping Power -An Open Question for Gun Experts

Whew, for a minute there, I thought you were saying the dead came back
as democrats, but then I got to the part about a brain, and relaxed.
I've been shooting all of my life, if I were in the chopping up mode,
gimmie a 12 ga shotgun anytime. Remember, everytime a 00 shell goeth
"boom" 5 .30 cal dead soft lead balls are enroute to mayhem heaven.
With a good pump or auto, you are throwing out a lot of owies real
quick like. :-) Dead or alive, Soft tissue is soft tissue, bone is
bone, they couldn't not come apart.

--- In Combat-Handgun@yahoogroups.com, straitpipe <straitpipe8@...> wrote:
>
> Seems to me that if heavy fire can chop up leg bones
> it would work as well with other skeletal parts so why
> be concerned with just leg shots? Go for all the
> bones joints to dislodge limbs, etc. I like the head
> shot being terminal because it focuses on a small
> target to eliminate the zombie threat which would
> allow for a lot of ineffective panicky shots by
> 'regular' defenders. My experience has been 'the
> larger the slug the bigger the hole' which equates to
> more tissue AND bone damage. This would be expecially
> true for handguns. Shotguns for close range work
> (slugs or buck) are very destructive and long guns for
> precision at longer ranges as well as fully auto's for
> repetitive hits to saturate a target area.
>
> Best wishes on your writings.
> --- zombiecsu <zombiecsu@...> wrote:
>
> > Guys, I'm new to this board.
> >
> > I'm a professional writer and I'm working on a
> > nonfiction book built
> > around speculation on how real-world law
> > enforcement, science, and
> > the military would respond to something like a
> > zombei attack (like
> > they show in movies like Night of the Living Dead
> > and 28 Days
> > Later). It's a little far-out, but the book is
> > already scheduled for
> > release next August from Citadel Press.
> >
> > One of the experts I'm using, Mike Witzgall
> > (ex-Force Recon, former
> > SWAT officer) gave me some great technical advice on
> > how SWAT might
> > react in such a situation.
> >
> > What I'm looking for now is some practical
> > information on a couple of
> > points (see question below). Anyone who provides
> > useful information
> > will be quoted and thanked in the book.
> >
> > First, here's the scenario: The fictional zombies
> > we're talking
> > about here are the recently raised dead. They don't
> > breathe, they
> > don't bleed. The only way to kill them is either a
> > head shot that
> > destroys the brain, or severe trauma to the brain
> > stem.
> >
> > My SWAT expert said that even if headshots can't
> > always be guaranteed
> > the responding officers (or soldiers) could use
> > heavy fire to chop up
> > their legs.
> >
> > I need to know the follow:
> >
> > What kinds of rounds would do the most damage to
> > limbs (particularly
> > legs and lower trunk)? I'm talking about loss of
> > limb, shattered
> > bones, etc.
> >
> > Any suggestions? You can post here or email me at
> > zombiecsu@...
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Jonathan Maberry
> > Author website: www.jonathanmaberry.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Guys, I'm new to this board. I'm a professional writer and I'm working on a nonfiction book built around speculation on how real-world law enforcement,...
zombiecsu
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Aug 4, 2007
3:27 pm

Seems to me that if heavy fire can chop up leg bones it would work as well with other skeletal parts so why be concerned with just leg shots? Go for all the ...
straitpipe
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Aug 4, 2007
4:03 pm

Whew, for a minute there, I thought you were saying the dead came back as democrats, but then I got to the part about a brain, and relaxed. I've been shooting...
Joe
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Jan 21, 2008
7:01 pm

Although this seems a bit odd for our group, boys and girls, it certainly doesn't stretch our assumed skills and knowledges too much. Please treat the ...
Rick A. Shay
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Aug 4, 2007
4:04 pm

Just my two cents... Aiming for small targets such as the head or legs from any distance beyond 4 or 5 yards seems like a near-certain recipe for a miss; ...
vietvet70ra
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Aug 4, 2007
8:33 pm

As a former swat guy, I'd have to go with my old Benelli 12 Guage entry gun, 14" Barrel with low recoil tactical Buckshot, to the knees. It shoots a nice,...
Mike Lasnier
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Aug 6, 2007
5:55 pm

... 12 ga buckshot comes to mind but I'm not sure you'd get shattered bones as much as lots of tissue damage. If the idea is to keep them from moving, hitting...
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Aug 6, 2007
1:24 pm

I appreciate the advice and suggestions. I'd like to use some of these comments. In order to attribute them to a source I need names. Now, if anyone prefers...
Jonathan Maberry
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Aug 6, 2007
6:10 pm

Thanks for giving us something to think about, Jonathan. It was fun. Rick A. Shay List Owner for Combat-Handgun and Tactical-Rifle Colorado ...
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yob1945
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Aug 6, 2007
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Jonathan, As much as we all like guns, I've always thought that defense against mindless hordes of attackers would be more suited to "combat engineers" rather...
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Aug 6, 2007
7:31 pm

Another thing for shotguns...there are specialty rounds called "Strung Buck", which consist of 2 balls, with a piece of wire between them, so they fly through...
Mike Lasnier
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Aug 6, 2007
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The Simpsons have done this zombie story line. Homer used a shotgun. Rick Colorado ^^^^^^^^^^ ... From: hoplophile@......
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Aug 6, 2007
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You guys have been very helpful. Remember, if you want to be quoted please contact me at zombiecsu@.... Let me know if I can use your name, and let me ...
Jonathan Maberry
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To establish credentials, I have been a student of numerous SWAT and SWAT level courses, police officer, light infantry soldier, officer-in-charge of an...
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Aug 11, 2007
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Excellent. Thanks for sharing. ... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out...
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