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#12863 From: "Jim Duguay" <Coach@...>
Date: Sun Dec 3, 2006 4:01 pm
Subject: Durty Details [11/27-12/03]
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Target Events: ING Georgia Marathon (3/25/07)
65-69 Div Results: Click here

Current Training Goal ~ Start rebuilding my base & reverse the stooopid weight gain!

 

Week in Review: 30.6 miles over 5 days (28.5 over 5 days prev week), endurance strength at 28 mpw (32 prev week); 8:02 avg pace (8:15 prev week); 69% PEavg (64 prev week). 2,418.6 miles ytd. Weight 132 lbs (131 prev week); Body fat = 10% (10 prev week).

 

·         Mon: Inactive Rest ~ Slacker Factor: Drive to Illinois (Abe Lincoln Museum) from Wisconsin.

·         Tue: Inactive Rest ~ Slacker Factor: Drive to Georgia.

·         Wed: Easy ~ 4.1 miles on flat trail & road in 33:04 (8:04); 65-70% = 6:51, 75-80% = 17:02, 80-85% = 2:51, 85-90% = 1:29, remainder under 65% for 70%PEavg. Slacker Factor: Cut run short to call & wait with an injured walker for an EMS ambulance.

·         Thu AM: Easy ~ 4.1 miles on flat trail & road in 34:36 (8:26); 65-70% = 15:50, 70-75% = 9:50, remainder under 65% for 66%PEavg. 64º w/ 100% humidity (rain) & 64º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: None.

·         Thu PM: Easy ~ 5 miles on mostly flat road in 41:56 (8:23); 65-70% = 9:15, 70-75% = 17:34. 75-80% = 10:12, remainder under 65% for 71%PEavg. 73º w/ 94% humidity (rain) & 68º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: None.

·         Fri: Active Rest ~ 3.1 miles on flat trail in 26:01 (8:24); 65-70% = 2:42, remainder under 65% for 60%PEavg. Slacker Factor: None.

·         Sat: Speed(?) Work ~ 6.2 miles on hilly trail, including the ATC Cross Country 5K in 22:36 (7:17); 65-70% = 0:10, 70-75% = 0:30, 75-80% = 2:42, 80-85% = 17:15, 85-90% = 1:38, remainder under 65% for 81%PEavg. 33º w/ 70% humidity & 30º dewpoint. 1st in 65-69 Div. Slacker Factor: None.

·         Sun: Easy Run ~ 8.1 miles on flat trail & road in 1:04:59 (8:01); 65-70% = 20:51, 75-80% = 14:57, 80-85% = 2:12, remainder under 65% for 66%PEavg. 45º w/ 54% humidity & 32º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: None.

}:9)


#12862 From: "Jim Duguay" <Coach@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:36 pm
Subject: Durty Details [11/20-11/26]
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Target Events: ING Georgia Marathon (3/25/07)
65-69 Div Results: Click here

Current Training Goal ~ Get in what I can while on vacation

 

Week in Review: 28.5 miles over 5 days (26.3 over 4 days prev week), endurance strength at 32 mpw (32 prev week); 8:15 avg pace (8:26 prev week); 64% PEavg (66 prev week). 2,388 miles ytd. Weight 131 lbs (129.5 prev week); Body fat = 10% (9 prev week).

 

·         Mon: Inactive Rest ~ Slacker Factor: Drive to Wisconsin.

·         Tue: Easy ~ 4.1 miles on flat trail & road in 31:50 (7:46); 65-70% = 4:47, 75-80% = 14:00, 80-85% = 2:26, remainder under 65% for 67%PEavg. Slacker Factor: Drive to Wisconsin.

·         Wed: Easy ~ 6.1 miles on flat trail & road in 52:35 (8:37); 65-70% = 17:04, 75-80% = 2:26, remainder under 65% for 62%PEavg. Slacker Factor: None.

·         Thu: Easy ~ 5.1 miles on flat trail & road in 43:55 (8:37); 65-70% = 12:18, remainder under 65% for 62%PEavg. Slacker Factor: None.

·         Fri: Easy ~ 8.1 miles on hilly road in 1:07:05 (8:17); 65-70% = 29:00, 75-80% = 7:07, 80-85% = 1:48, remainder under 65% for 64%PEavg. Slacker Factor: None.

·         Sat: Inactive Rest ~ Travel w/ family.

·         Sun: Easy ~ 5.1 miles on flat trail & road in 40:39 (7:58); 65-70% = 11:58, 75-80% = 6:54, 80-85% = 2:10, remainder under 65% for 64%PEavg. Slacker Factor: None.

}:9)


#12861 From: BK <bkunes@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:53 pm
Subject: BK's Training Log - 11/26/06
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11/26 - 172.5 lbs Swim 1x, Bike 1x, Run 3x
11/19 - 170.5 lbs Swim 1x, Bike 1x, Run 2x
11/12 - 171.0 lbs Swim 2x, Bike 0x, Run 2x

M - Run. 4.0 mi in 33:16 (8:19) at 63%PE.  Ran 2 tempo 800's in the middle of the run.

T - Swim. 4x400 w/ 1.5 min recoveries.  Tired, stiff neck, rough night of sleep, but felt good to get in the water, workout, loosen up, and get the blood flowing. I noted that my times eroded rather quickly as the workout went along, each 400 continued to degrade rather than stay relatively consistent.  This, I believe, was due to being tired (late Monday night meeting).  [tired, stiff neck]
    400 (200) splits: 6:13 (3:02, 3:11), 6:22 (3:08, 3:14), 6:26 (3:10, 3:16), 6:34 (3:15, 3:19)

W - Rest day.

H - Run (Race): 6.2 mi in 43:45 (7:03) at 86%PE [10.7] followed by a 3 mi c/d.  This was the 97th Annual Thanksgiving Day Race (10K).  Ran 6:47 (79%PE), 6:40 (82), 7:01 (86), 7:17 (88), 7:21 (88), 7:12 (89), 1:27 (90).  Definitely not in race condition.  My second slowest 10K on record at the highest %PE on record.  Felt relatively well the first 3 miles, but noticed that the HR was increasing above expectations and pulled back on the pace with a continual climb in effort... yikes.  Finished 607/10,565 OA [5.7], 67/628 AG [10.7], and 538/5,200 Male [10.3].  [stiff neck]

F - Rest day.

S - (Early AM) Run: 5.0 mi in 41:30 (8:18) at 67%PE recovery run.  Intended to run easy just to work out any lingering stiffness and soreness from the race.  Initially thought I'd only run 3.0 mi since I was feeling it, but after a brief warm-up I felt good, and did a normal 5.0 mi run. [some rolling hills, slight soreness/stiffness]
S - (Late AM) Bike: 50 min easy ride with family on the trail, focused on good peddling technique.  As a runner, I tend to point my toes down through peddling motion, so during this ride which I expected to be at a very easy effort, I consciously focused on proper technique through the entire peddling motion.  Good drill to improve my form.

S - Rest day.  Extremely tired, I slept 11 hrs last night (7p-6a).  Did some light stretching and core strength exercises.

A nice holiday week, busy as usual.  Also, my first official base building training week.  My restful "off-season" is over.  My race was not great, but it gave me a good indication of where I am at conditioning wise to start my base conditioning phase.  I hope to finally break the 40:00 barrier sometime next year in the 10K and 1:28 in the Half.  At least these are the goals I want to accomplish before I attempt another marathon or possible shot at a BQ.  My focus will continue to be for the 2007 triathlon season, with an emphasis on run conditioning (2-3 half marathons planned next year).

 
YTD
-------------------
Swim - 991 mins
Bike - 342 mi
Run - 341.7 mi

Calendar
-------------------------------
12/09/06 - Jingle Bell 5K (Newport, KY) - run with daughter
04/14/07 - Loveland Challenge Half Marathon - training run
05/06/07 - Flying Pig Half Marathon
08/05/07 - East Fork Triathlon
09/15/07 - USAF Half Marathon (?)
09/23/07 - Toyota Challenge Triathlon

Keep running...
- BK.


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#12860 From: rengaw99
Date: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:15 pm
Subject: Rengaw's ING Georgia Marathon Training
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First week of training:

Sun: 4 miles in 39:59.  Trail and road (YMCA).
Tue: 4 plus miles in 40:37.  YMCA indoor track.
Thu: 13.1 miles in 2:02:59.  Atlanta Half Marathon
Sat: 8.1 miles in 1:37:43.  Trail and road.

Total: 29.2 miles.

Rengaw

#12859 From: rengaw99
Date: Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:21 pm
Subject: Thanksgiving Half Marathon
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I ran it in 2:02:59.  I originally planned to do it just as a long run,
but my competitive juices got flowing and I raced it.  Not a stellar
time, but I am happy with it as my marathon training gets under way.

Rengaw

#12858 From: BK <bkunes@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:40 pm
Subject: BK's Training Log - 11/19/06
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11/19 - 170.5 lbs Swim 1x, Bike 1x, Run 2x
11/12 - 171.0 lbs Swim 2x, Bike 0x, Run 2x
11/05 - 171.0 lbs Swim 1x, Bike 1x, Run 4x

M - Run. 3.0 mi in 23:57 (7:59) at 66%PE.

T - Swim. 8x200 w/ 1 min recoveries.  Felt really relaxed and averaged ~0:07 per 200 faster than last week. [lower back]
    200 splits: 3:06, 2:59, 3:01, 3:03, 3:05, 3:06, 3:12, 3:02

W - Rest day.

H (AM) - Swim: Intended to swim this morning, but lower back was really bothering me and I could use the extra 40 mins of sleep so I went back to bed.
H (PM) - Bike: 7.5 mi in 36:00 (12.4 avs) at 58%PE.  I watched "A Corpse's Bride" while biking.  Felt good until my tube blew out the side of my tire/rim.  I think it was from applying lateral pressure to bike trying to straighten it... need to adjust rollers and fix tire <smile>.

F - Rest day.

S - Run: 7.0 mi in 56:31 (8:04) at 77%PE.  A nice crisp, early morning run.  I was surprised the HR was as high as it was.  I experienced some electrical interference readings during the run but not sure how much of a factor that was in the overall reading.  I was just enjoying my tunes, keeping an even pace/effort, and enjoying the early morning (and thinking of the coffee reward afterwards). [some rolling hills]

S - Rest day.  Hips sore from yesterday's run???  My guess is that 7.0 mi is relatively long for me at this point in time and body is letting me know.

Long challenging week. Lower back still a slight bother (due to flip turns in the pool).  I need to integrate some core strength exercises and see if that helps the problem.  This week wrapped up my down season and it's time to start building a base for next years running and triathlon season.  I've got the 97th Annual Thanksgiving Day Race (10K) this coming week.  It will be a good baseline measure of where I am at conditioning-wise.
YTD
-------------------
Swim - 956 mins
Bike - 335 mi
Run - 323.5 mi

Calendar
-------------------------------
11/23/06 - 93rd Annual Thanksgiving Day Run (10K) (Cincy, OH) - registered
12/09/06 - Jingle Bell 5K (Newport, KY) - run with daughter
04/14/07 - Loveland Challenge Half Marathon - training run
05/06/07 - Flying Pig Half Marathon
08/05/07 - East Fork Triathlon
09/15/07 - USAF Half Marathon (?)
09/23/07 - Toyota Challenge Triathlon

Keep running...
- BK.


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#12857 From: "Jim Duguay" <Coach@...>
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:43 pm
Subject: Durty Details [11/13-11/19]
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Target Events: ING Georgia Marathon (3/25/07)
65-69 Div Results: Click here

Current Training Goal ~ Get over another $#^& injury

 

Week in Review: 26.3 miles over 4 days (42.6 over 6 days prev week), endurance strength at 32 mpw (36 prev week); 8:26 avg pace (7:58 prev week); 66% PEavg (66 prev week). 2,359.5 miles ytd. Weight 129.5 lbs (129 prev week); Body fat = 9% (8.5 prev week).

 

·         Mon: Easy Hills ~ 6 miles on Kennesaw Battlefield trails in 51:02 (8:30); 65-70% = 14:08, 70-75% = 4:10; remainder under 65% for 62%PEavg. 34º w/ 71% humidity & 36º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Foot still not ready for hill work.

·         Tue: Inactive Recovery ~ Too painful to start. Slacker Factor: Back went out last night (compensation injury from favoring foot).

·         Wed: Inactive Recovery ~ Still too painful to run. Slacker Factor: Back.

·         Thu: Inactive Recovery ~ Slacker Factor: Back is still very painful.

·         Fri: Active Recovery ~ 4.1 miles on flat trail & road in 34:42 (8:8); 65-70% = 16:53, 75-80% = 5:02, remainder under 65% for 65%PEavg. 42º w/ 76% humidity & 37º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Back.

·         Sat: Easy ~ 8.1 miles on flat trail & road in 1:07:55 (8:23); 65-70% = 26:40, 70-75% = 34:16, remainder under 65% for 69%PEavg. 38º w/ 71% humidity & 36º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Back.

·         Sun: Easy ~ 8.1 miles on flat trail & road in 1:08:01 (8:24); 65-70% = 47:43, 70-75% = 5:55, remainder under 65% for 66%PEavg. 40º w/ 76% humidity & 37º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Back.

}:9)


#12856 From: rengaw99
Date: Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:59 pm
Subject: Rengaw's Training
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Pre-marathon training program:

11/11: 13.1 Miles in 2:08:43
11/15:  4.0 Miles easy in 39:26
11/18: 10.1 Miles in 1:39:30

Tomorrow is Day 1 of my marathon training for the ING Georgia Marathon.

Rengaw99

#12855 From: "K LaFor" <klafor@...>
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:27 pm
Subject: Re: ING Georgia Marathon
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Sounds like a good plan.

Good luck!

Kurt

--- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, rengaw99 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Kent.  I will train the best I can and see where it gets
me.
> If I think I have done enough training for the marathon, I'll run
> it.  If not, I will run the half.
>
> Rengaw
>
>

#12854 From: rengaw99
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: ING Georgia Marathon
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Thanks, Kent.  I will train the best I can and see where it gets me.
If I think I have done enough training for the marathon, I'll run
it.  If not, I will run the half.

Rengaw

--- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, "Kent" <ksizer@...> wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, I think you will do fine. Your training plan
is
> almost exactly what I did for my first marathon. Always got the
long
> run in at the Hooch, gradually increased distance to 24 miles a few
> weeks before race. The Wednesday runs were 10 miles on hilly roads.
> The 3rd and rare 4th days were just a few easy miles. That was it
> except the few times Maddog talked me into joining him at the
track,
> and a few fun runs and the Cartersville 25K. The weather turned out
> near perfect, so I was able to run just a few minutes off what my
> 10K and 25K times predicted. However, at mile 24, I was believing
> Maddog wasn't just kidding me when he suggested I was short on
> training. And, since this isnt your first, you will know what it
> feels like after the race. For me, that is one area much improved
> with more training - less pain and faster recovery.
>
> --- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, rengaw99 <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> >
> > My goal probably would be just to finish, but I ran 3:42:48 in my
> first
> > marathon in tough conditions with not much more training, and
with
> no
> > speed work or tempo runs, so I think 4:00 is managable.
> >
> > I am going to try to add a fourth and where possible a fifth day
> of
> > running.  I think I am going to sign up for the full and if I
> can't do
> > the training, switch to the half.
> >
> > I will try to post my training.  I like doing it because it keeps
> me
> > honest.
> >
> > By the way, nice running with you Chris.  Go get'em at Rocket
City.
> >
> > Rengaw
> >
>

#12853 From: "Jim Duguay" <Coach@...>
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:26 pm
Subject: Atlanta Track Club Names New Executive Director
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#12852 From: BK <bkunes@...>
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:09 pm
Subject: BK's Training Log - 11/12/06
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11/12 - 171.0 lbs Swim 2x, Bike 0x, Run 2x
11/05 - 171.0 lbs Swim 1x, Bike 1x, Run 4x
10/29 - 170.0 lbs Swim 1x, Bike 1x, Run 1x

M - Run. 5.0 mi in 43:46 (8:45) at 60%PE.  I felt a little uncomfortable getting started, but felt looser and finished well.

T - Swim. 2x800 w/ 2 min rest in between [lower back]
    800 #1 in 13:18 (200 splits: 3:10, 3:20, 3:27, 3:20)
    800 #2 in 13:31 (200 splits: 3:18, 3:20, 3:24, 3:29)

W - Rest day.

H (AM) - Swim: 8x200 w/ 1 min recoveries.  I just felt like getting an extra swim in this week. [lower back]
    200 splits: 3:14, 3:12, 3:10, 3:10, 3:12, 3:12, 3:12, 3:10
H (PM) - Run: 5.5 mi in 45:25 (8:15) at 71%PE.  A bus run after work.  [warm]

F - Rest day.

S - Rest day.  I had a early morning meeting which prevented me from getting some spinning on the rollers in the morning.

S - Rest day.

An emotionally draining week, but got some great pool workouts and some much needed running (i.e. stress relief) in.  The end of the week was just too busy to get a ride or another run in.

Calendar
-------------------------------
11/23.06 - 93rd Annual Thanksgiving Day Run (10K) (Cincy, OH) - registered
12/09/06 - Jingle Bell 5K (Newport, KY) - run with daughter
04/14/07 - Loveland Challenge Half Marathon - training run
05/06/07 - Flying Pig Half Marathon
08/05/07 - East Fork Triathlon
09/23/07 - Toyota Challenge Triathlon

Keep running...
- BK.

#12851 From: "Kent" <ksizer@...>
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:13 am
Subject: Re: ING Georgia Marathon
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For what it's worth, I think you will do fine. Your training plan is
almost exactly what I did for my first marathon. Always got the long
run in at the Hooch, gradually increased distance to 24 miles a few
weeks before race. The Wednesday runs were 10 miles on hilly roads.
The 3rd and rare 4th days were just a few easy miles. That was it
except the few times Maddog talked me into joining him at the track,
and a few fun runs and the Cartersville 25K. The weather turned out
near perfect, so I was able to run just a few minutes off what my
10K and 25K times predicted. However, at mile 24, I was believing
Maddog wasn't just kidding me when he suggested I was short on
training. And, since this isnt your first, you will know what it
feels like after the race. For me, that is one area much improved
with more training - less pain and faster recovery.

--- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, rengaw99 <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> My goal probably would be just to finish, but I ran 3:42:48 in my
first
> marathon in tough conditions with not much more training, and with
no
> speed work or tempo runs, so I think 4:00 is managable.
>
> I am going to try to add a fourth and where possible a fifth day
of
> running.  I think I am going to sign up for the full and if I
can't do
> the training, switch to the half.
>
> I will try to post my training.  I like doing it because it keeps
me
> honest.
>
> By the way, nice running with you Chris.  Go get'em at Rocket City.
>
> Rengaw
>

#12850 From: rengaw99
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: ING Georgia Marathon
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My goal probably would be just to finish, but I ran 3:42:48 in my first
marathon in tough conditions with not much more training, and with no
speed work or tempo runs, so I think 4:00 is managable.

I am going to try to add a fourth and where possible a fifth day of
running.  I think I am going to sign up for the full and if I can't do
the training, switch to the half.

I will try to post my training.  I like doing it because it keeps me
honest.

By the way, nice running with you Chris.  Go get'em at Rocket City.

Rengaw

#12849 From: "jjonez.7341" <jjonez.7341@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:58 pm
Subject: Week's Training Log 11/6-11/12
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Mon: Inactive Rest-Day off

Tue: Mar Striders (8),8.0 mi. Roads,Out/back to Mutiny Bay Rd (MBRD)
w/5 mi on MBRD(mostly flat),1:01:30 (7:34 pace),135 AHR (64%)/155
MHR. Rain & wind. Timed 4 mi in 29:08 (7:17), 142 AHR.

Wed: Recov. Run, 10 mi. Roads,Out/Back to MBRD w/7 mi.on
MBRD,1:16:23 (7:38), 134 AHR (64%)/145 MHR. Timed 6 mi. in 43:55
(7:19),139 AHR. Today's run felt really good. I was relaxed and in a
zone. Didn't feel like I was pushing my pace.

Thu: Easy 8 mi. Ran from club on roads Out/Back to MBRD w/ 5 mi on
MBRD,1:01:52 (7:44), 128AHR(59%)/144 MHR. Took it easy today because
of tomorrow's hard day.

Fri: Intervals, 9.5 mi.on track, 1:09:38 (7:20),138AHR (66%)/156
MHR. 2.25 mi w-up, 6.75 mi (6x1200m/600m recov), .5 mi w-down.
Strong wind gusts and rain. 1200m/600m recov splits:
        AHR/EHR          AHR/EHR   EHR=Ending HR
4:54.7 140/149    2:59  133/124
4:52.8 147/152    3:06  135/130
4:54.1 141/151    3:09  134/128
4:53.1 150/153    3:11  135/124
4:55.7 149/153    3:10  132/125
4:58.3 149/156    3:06  137/128

Sat: Active rest, 4.5 mi on roads, 36:36 (8:08),117AHR(52%),132MHR.
Legs really tired from yesterday's intervals.

Sun: Long Run,14 mi, roads,3X4mi hilly loop from home + 2 mi.warm
down, 1:44:27 (7:27),141AHR(68%)/153MHR. 4mi loop splits:
29:52 (133AHR), 28:50 (146AHR), 29:18 (148AHR). Didn't feel that
good. It was too hard to keep my HR @ 150. Cold and Strong winds. We
are having record storms here.

Week's totals: 54 mi., 6:50:26 (7:36 pace). wt. this morning =152.5
I can't remember the last time I did over 50 mi. in a week. I think
it was 1976! I do have some aches & pains: left hip takes a while to
loosen up or numb, tonails on left foot are sore from the Nike's and
the JocknJill Half; the plantar fascia is not too bad. It's usually
at its worst in the morning.

#12848 From: "Jim Duguay" <Coach@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:30 pm
Subject: Durty Details [11/6-11/12]
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Target Events: ING Georgia Marathon (3/25/07)
65-69 Div Results: Click here

Current Training Goal ~ Quality start to marathon training

 

Week in Review: 42.6 miles over 6 days (25.7 over 5 days prev week), endurance strength at 36 mpw (35 prev week); 7:58 avg pace (8:02 prev week); 66% PEavg (66 prev week). 2,333.2 miles ytd. Weight 129 lbs (129 prev week); Body fat = 8.5% (8 prev week).

 

·         Mon: Easy Hills ~ 6 miles on Kennesaw Battlefield trails in 48:58 (8:10); 65-70% = 15:54, 70-75% = 7:30; remainder under 65% for 65%PEavg. 50º w/ 41% humidity & 30º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Foot.

·         Tue: Inactive Recovery ~ Too painful to start. Slacker Factor: Foot (should have stayed away from the hills a bit longer).

·         Wed: Easy ~ 6.1 miles, flat trail & road in 48:03 (7:53); 65-70% = 25:34, 70-75% = 16:39, remainder under 65% for 68%PEavg. 50º w/ 100% humidity & 54º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Foot.

·         Thu AM: Oops ~ 3.1 miles on flat trail in 23:56 (7:43); 65-70% = 9:12, 70-75% = 0:50, remainder under 65% for 62%PEavg. 50º w/ 94% humidity & 52º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Forgot that I didn't plan for a 2-fer.

·         Thu PM: Easy ~ 7.1 miles on rolling (1 hill) road in 59:15 (8:21); 65-70% = 23:50, 70-75% = 4:34, remainder under 65% for 64%PEavg. 69º w/ 73% humidity & 54º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: None.

·         Fri: Active Rest ~ 4.1 miles on flat trail & road in 32:50 (8:00); 65-70% = 12:12, remainder under 65% for 62%PEavg. 63º w/ 100% humidity & 63º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Foot.

·         Sat: Easy ~ 8.1 miles on flat trail & road in 1:04:40 (7:59); 65-70% = 19:40, 70-75% = 32:18, remainder under 65% for 68%PEavg. 56º w/ 100% humidity & 59º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Had to stop too many times (clients).

·         Sun: Unplanned Tempo Drill ~ 8.1 miles on flat trail & road in 1:01:48 (7:38); 65-70% = 17:06, 70-75% = 21:07, 75-80% = 9:11, 80-85% = 5:22, remainder under 65% for 71%PEavg. 46º w/ 82% humidity & 41º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Screwed with a youngster that didn't want me to pass him.

}:9)


#12847 From: "Jim Duguay" <Coach@...>
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:29 pm
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#12846 From: "Jim Duguay" <Coach@...>
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: ING Georgia Marathon
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--- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, jabberdogrunner <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> Rengaw~Everyone is different and I am not too familiar with your
> training, but if you intend to train three days a week you should
> have a goal to finish the marathon.  Now don't get me wrong, it's
> always good to have a goal time, but to try to force goal time into
> a three training days a week.  That is quite a bit of stress (which
> you know you need to suck it up) and too much stress can lead to
> injury.  Bottomline, look at your prior training and listen to your
> body.
>
> Jabber
> Coach, do you agree, disagree or punt :)

Punt!
Actually Rengaw received my real opinion at the Hooch this morning.
}:9(

#12845 From: jabberdogrunner
Date: Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: ING Georgia Marathon
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Rengaw~Everyone is different and I am not too familiar with your
training, but if you intend to train three days a week you should
have a goal to finish the marathon.  Now don't get me wrong, it's
always good to have a goal time, but to try to force goal time into
a three training days a week.  That is quite a bit of stress (which
you know you need to suck it up) and too much stress can lead to
injury.  Bottomline, look at your prior training and listen to your
body.

Jabber
Coach, do you agree, disagree or punt :)

--- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, rengaw99 <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> I am considering trying to run the ING Georgia Marathon.  I have
been
> hankering to run another marathon but I have not had the time to
commit
> to the training.  I am still pressed for time, but I am
considering
> doing the ING race.
>
> My goal would be to break 4:00, which would be my slowest
marathon.  I
> can probably train only three days a week.  Here is my plan:
>
> Saturday:  Long Runs (up to at least 20 miles)
> Sunday:    Easy Run
> Weds:      Mid-distance run/Tempo/Speed Runs
>
> I think this should work.  The key will be sucking it up on the
long
> run days and making sure I get those miles in.
>
> It is not ideal, but I think it should work.  Any tips or ideas?
>
> Rengaw
>

#12844 From: rengaw99
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:17 pm
Subject: ING Georgia Marathon
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I am considering trying to run the ING Georgia Marathon.  I have been
hankering to run another marathon but I have not had the time to commit
to the training.  I am still pressed for time, but I am considering
doing the ING race.

My goal would be to break 4:00, which would be my slowest marathon.  I
can probably train only three days a week.  Here is my plan:

Saturday:  Long Runs (up to at least 20 miles)
Sunday:    Easy Run
Weds:      Mid-distance run/Tempo/Speed Runs

I think this should work.  The key will be sucking it up on the long
run days and making sure I get those miles in.

It is not ideal, but I think it should work.  Any tips or ideas?

Rengaw

#12843 From: rengaw99
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: Marine Corp Marathon Report
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Jabber,

Sorry the race did not go as well as planned.  It sounds like you at
least learned from it and will apply that toward your next race.  The
marathon is frustrating because you can't just jump into another race
the next week and fix what you now know you did wrong.  This step back
will someday be an experience you draw on to improve your self.

Go get'em, Jabber.  See you on the trails.

Rengaw

#12841 From: jabberdogrunner
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:09 am
Subject: Re: Marine Corp Marathon Report
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Kurt~A lot of people have said to me (in a somewhat disgusted tone)
that they would kill to run a 3-hour marathon and I can understand
their opinion.  They cannot (likely will never) understand that I
screwed up with my training, and I feel I should have been 25
minutes faster.  The important thing is that I learned from the
experience and I'm adjusting.

I am moving back to the training that I did for Austin in 2004,
which is my PR.  I know that worked for me and should do well for
me, but ING's course is not a PR course (it's Atlanta after all)

Thanks for the inquiry.

Jabber

> Jabber, it is still an impressive result even if your dissapointed
> with the outcome.
>
> Great report and I will be curious to know what you will do
> differently for the ING marathon.
>
> Kurt
>
> --- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, jabberdogrunner
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > I apologize for being so tardy with this report, but I'll keep
it
> > short.  This was my target race and my goal was to run about a
> > 2:35.  The course appeared to have a few hills in the first
three
> > miles then was relatively flat until the end where there was one
> > short but steep hill.
> >
> > Coach and I flew up together on Friday and caught the Metro
> (train)
> > to the expo to pickup our packets and visit with the regional
> Mizuno
> > rep.  We then headed back toward our hotel.  It rained the rest
of
> > the day, but fortunately it was an inactive rest day.  Saturday
a
> > group of us went for a run through the finish area and to the
> > entrance of Arlington Cemetery where we could see the start
> > (approximately 3 miles from our hotel) then we headed back to
the
> > hotel.  We spent the day off of our feet and watching college
> > football.  Weather reports were calling for high wind
advisories,
> > but we hoped it would clear.
> >
> > Sunday morning came and it was perfect, upper-30s, clear and no
> > wind!  Our group walked / ran from the hotel to the start.
After
> a
> > delay, the race started and I felt good.  I held back a bit on
the
> > hills during the first three miles and then I was hitting my
> targets
> > through mile six.  During mile seven the wheels fell off and my
> legs
> > went away from me.  I tried changing my mechanics, by changing
> > stride, body lean and even a few fartleks but none of them
> worked.
> > I guess it was about mile ten that wind really started up and it
> > just aggravated a bad situation.  The wind really hit me hard
from
> > essentially mile 16 through the rest of the race, but especially
> > coming across the 14TH Street Bridge.  I finished in 3:00:35,
> 135TH
> > Overall and 41ST Age Group.  We had an open men's team and we
> > finished 2ND Overall.  I check and my bad day did not kill us
> since
> > the winners were over two hours ahead of us.
> >
> > Our bib numbers were supposed to be our seeding, so I finished
101
> > runners ahead of the competition.  Bottomline, a majority of
> runners
> > had a bad day.
> >
> > The only conclusion that I can draw from my poor performance was
> > that I over trained and a three-week taper was not enough time
for
> > recovery.  Back to the drawing board and rethink my training for
> ING
> > Georgia.
> >
> > Congrats to Kent who ran extremely well considering his battle
> with
> > an injury and to Jimmie who ran a 3:34 in his first marathon.
> >
> > Thanks for listening.
> >
>

#12840 From: "K LaFor" <klafor@...>
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2006 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: Marine Corp Marathon Report
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Jabber, it is still an impressive result even if your dissapointed
with the outcome.

Great report and I will be curious to know what you will do
differently for the ING marathon.

Kurt

--- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, jabberdogrunner
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I apologize for being so tardy with this report, but I'll keep it
> short.  This was my target race and my goal was to run about a
> 2:35.  The course appeared to have a few hills in the first three
> miles then was relatively flat until the end where there was one
> short but steep hill.
>
> Coach and I flew up together on Friday and caught the Metro
(train)
> to the expo to pickup our packets and visit with the regional
Mizuno
> rep.  We then headed back toward our hotel.  It rained the rest of
> the day, but fortunately it was an inactive rest day.  Saturday a
> group of us went for a run through the finish area and to the
> entrance of Arlington Cemetery where we could see the start
> (approximately 3 miles from our hotel) then we headed back to the
> hotel.  We spent the day off of our feet and watching college
> football.  Weather reports were calling for high wind advisories,
> but we hoped it would clear.
>
> Sunday morning came and it was perfect, upper-30s, clear and no
> wind!  Our group walked / ran from the hotel to the start.  After
a
> delay, the race started and I felt good.  I held back a bit on the
> hills during the first three miles and then I was hitting my
targets
> through mile six.  During mile seven the wheels fell off and my
legs
> went away from me.  I tried changing my mechanics, by changing
> stride, body lean and even a few fartleks but none of them
worked.
> I guess it was about mile ten that wind really started up and it
> just aggravated a bad situation.  The wind really hit me hard from
> essentially mile 16 through the rest of the race, but especially
> coming across the 14TH Street Bridge.  I finished in 3:00:35,
135TH
> Overall and 41ST Age Group.  We had an open men's team and we
> finished 2ND Overall.  I check and my bad day did not kill us
since
> the winners were over two hours ahead of us.
>
> Our bib numbers were supposed to be our seeding, so I finished 101
> runners ahead of the competition.  Bottomline, a majority of
runners
> had a bad day.
>
> The only conclusion that I can draw from my poor performance was
> that I over trained and a three-week taper was not enough time for
> recovery.  Back to the drawing board and rethink my training for
ING
> Georgia.
>
> Congrats to Kent who ran extremely well considering his battle
with
> an injury and to Jimmie who ran a 3:34 in his first marathon.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>

#12839 From: jabberdogrunner
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2006 9:34 am
Subject: Marine Corp Marathon Report
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I apologize for being so tardy with this report, but I'll keep it
short.  This was my target race and my goal was to run about a
2:35.  The course appeared to have a few hills in the first three
miles then was relatively flat until the end where there was one
short but steep hill.

Coach and I flew up together on Friday and caught the Metro (train)
to the expo to pickup our packets and visit with the regional Mizuno
rep.  We then headed back toward our hotel.  It rained the rest of
the day, but fortunately it was an inactive rest day.  Saturday a
group of us went for a run through the finish area and to the
entrance of Arlington Cemetery where we could see the start
(approximately 3 miles from our hotel) then we headed back to the
hotel.  We spent the day off of our feet and watching college
football.  Weather reports were calling for high wind advisories,
but we hoped it would clear.

Sunday morning came and it was perfect, upper-30s, clear and no
wind!  Our group walked / ran from the hotel to the start.  After a
delay, the race started and I felt good.  I held back a bit on the
hills during the first three miles and then I was hitting my targets
through mile six.  During mile seven the wheels fell off and my legs
went away from me.  I tried changing my mechanics, by changing
stride, body lean and even a few fartleks but none of them worked.
I guess it was about mile ten that wind really started up and it
just aggravated a bad situation.  The wind really hit me hard from
essentially mile 16 through the rest of the race, but especially
coming across the 14TH Street Bridge.  I finished in 3:00:35, 135TH
Overall and 41ST Age Group.  We had an open men's team and we
finished 2ND Overall.  I check and my bad day did not kill us since
the winners were over two hours ahead of us.

Our bib numbers were supposed to be our seeding, so I finished 101
runners ahead of the competition.  Bottomline, a majority of runners
had a bad day.

The only conclusion that I can draw from my poor performance was
that I over trained and a three-week taper was not enough time for
recovery.  Back to the drawing board and rethink my training for ING
Georgia.

Congrats to Kent who ran extremely well considering his battle with
an injury and to Jimmie who ran a 3:34 in his first marathon.

Thanks for listening.

#12838 From: BK <bkunes@...>
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2006 3:39 pm
Subject: BK's Training Long - 11/05/06
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11/05 - 171.0 lbs Swim = 1x, Bike 1x, Run 4x
10/29 - 170.0 lbs Swim = 1x, Bike 1x, Run 1x
10/22 - 171.5 lbs Swim = 1x, Bike 0x, Run 1x

M - Run. 5.0 mi in 42:40 (8:32) at 67%PE.

T - Swim. 2x800 w/ 2 min rest in between.  800 #1 in 14:11 (200 splits: 3:13, 3:24, 3:23, 4:11 (?)).  800 #2 in 13:30 (200 splits: 3:18, 3:20, 3:26, 3:26).  I did an extra 50 in the first 800 (oops!).  Continuing to mix it up a little on the swim, working towards stretching it out for longer swims over the winter.

W - Bike. 7.0 mi in 40:00 (10.3 avs) at 55%PE on the rollers.  I guess the rollers have a higher resistance, or the wheels are slipping on the rollers to register such a low mileage for this duration.  Watched "Monster House" while spinning.

H - Run: 5.0 mi in 43:54 (8:46) at 60%PE.  Nice easy run over rolling hills.  It was cold, and I felt a little queasy.  My quads were a little sore from exercise this week. [hills, queasy, sore]

F - Run. 6.0 mi in 48:12 (8:03) at 64%PE.  I had my flu shot earlier in the day, but didn't experience any noticeable side effects while running.  Felt great.  Cross-country style run at the soccer complex during the last practice of the season. [cold]

S - Rest day.

S - Run. 4.0 mi in 34:02 (8:30) at 66%PE.  I did a little yoga stretching to help loosen up before heading out for an early morning run.  Enjoyed a beautiful cloud-covered sunrise! [a little stiff]

I kept the running easy with the intent of just wanting to get in my mileage without punishing the legs.  20.0 mi this week, the highest weekly milage of the year for me.  I feel pretty good... I feel it, but not necessarily a bad thing.  Glad I got in the pool and on the bike this week, too.  Felt great in the water, not so good on the bike.  I will need some time as I gradually build my training back up over the next month to adapt, and get my rest... perhaps need to entertain the thought of a nap on the weekend for a change.

Calendar
-------------------------------
11/23.06 - 93rd Annual Thanksgiving Day Run (10K) (Cincy, OH) - registered
12/09/06 - Jingle Bell 5K (Newport, KY) - run with daughter
05/06/07 - Flying Pig Half Marathon (possibly the full?)

Keep running...
- BK.

#12837 From: "Jim Duguay" <Coach@...>
Date: Sun Nov 5, 2006 3:45 pm
Subject: Durty Details [10/30-11/5]
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Target Events: ING Georgia Marathon (3/25/07)
65-69 Div Results: Click here

Current Training Goal ~ Heal

 

Week in Review: 25.7 miles over 5 days (38.3 over 6 days prev week), endurance strength at 35 mpw (52 prev week); 8:02 avg pace (8:09 prev week); 66% PEavg (66 prev week). 2,290.6 miles ytd. Weight 129 lbs (127.5 prev week); Body fat = 8% (7.5 prev week).

 

·         Mon: Inactive Recovery ~ Slacker Factor: Flight from DC to Atlanta.

·         Tue: Inactive Recovery ~ Slacker Factor: Foot injury.

·         Wed: Easy ~ 4.1 miles, flat trail & road in 32:56 (8:02); 65-70% = 17:04, 70-75% = 2:20, remainder under 65% for 64%PEavg. 50º w/ 94% humidity & 55º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: It appears I did the right thing DNFing the MCM. The foot problem seems much better and appears to not have developed into a stress fracture... yet!

·         Thu: Easy ~ 6.2 miles on flat trail in 47:52 (7:43); 65-70% = 18:24, 70-75% = 21:41, remainder under 65% for 68%PEavg. 45º w/ 87% humidity & 43º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Foot.

·         Fri: Active Rest ~ 4.1 miles on flat trail & road in 35:36 (8:41); all under 65% for 60%PEavg. 38º w/ 34% humidity & 16º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Foot.

·         Sat: Easy ~ 5.1 miles on flat trail & road in 39:58 (7:50); 65-70% = 17:25, 70-75% = 12:59, 75-80% = 1:15, remainder under 65% for 68%PEavg. 36º w/ 37% humidity & 21º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Skipped a planned race to give my foot a better opportunity to heal.

·         Sun: Easy ~ 6.2 miles on flat trail in 48:56 (7:54); 65-70% = 23:23, 70-75% = 5:50, remainder under 65% for 69%PEavg. 36º w/ 46% humidity & 27º dewpoint. Slacker Factor: Foot.

}:9)


#12836 From: "Kent" <ksizer@...>
Date: Thu Nov 2, 2006 2:34 am
Subject: Re: Durty Details [10/23-10/29]
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Great to see you log an easy run today. Keep up the RICE. And,
thanks for the photo.

--- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Duguay" <Coach@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, "K LaFor" <klafor@> wrote:
> >
> > Coach, what do you think was the root cause of the injury and
what
> > will you do to heal it up?
> >
> > Are you still planning on the ING race as your target race?
>
> Kurt ~ I'm not sure exactly what was the cause; lots of $#%!
happens
> when you're as old as I am. I'll treat it with RICE (rest, ice,
> compression, elevation) initially and get it x-rayed, etc. and go
from
> there if that doesn't do the trick.
>
> Yes, ING Georgia is still a target.
> }:9|
>

#12835 From: "Jim Duguay" <Coach@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: Durty Details [10/23-10/29]
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--- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, "K LaFor" <klafor@...> wrote:
>
> Coach, what do you think was the root cause of the injury and what
> will you do to heal it up?
>
> Are you still planning on the ING race as your target race?

Kurt ~ I'm not sure exactly what was the cause; lots of $#%! happens
when you're as old as I am. I'll treat it with RICE (rest, ice,
compression, elevation) initially and get it x-rayed, etc. and go from
there if that doesn't do the trick.

Yes, ING Georgia is still a target.
}:9|

#12834 From: "K LaFor" <klafor@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Coach MadDog Bytes] Durty Details [10/23-10/29]
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Coach, what do you think was the root cause of the injury and what
will you do to heal it up?

Are you still planning on the ING race as your target race?

Kurt

--- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Duguay" <Coach@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, "Vicki Bush" <nhrunner@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Coach,
> > Sorry to read that you had to drop out of Marine Corps. Take care
> and heal up.
>
> vicki ~ Thanks, but I'm OK with the decision. After all, it was much
> smarter than when I limped through the last 13 or so miles to
Boston.
> And now I'm also a perfectly balanced athlete because I broke the
5th
> metatarsal in the other foot a few years ago.
> }:9O
>

#12833 From: "Jim Duguay" <Coach@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:16 am
Subject: Re: [Coach MadDog Bytes] Durty Details [10/23-10/29]
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--- In CoachMadDogBytes@yahoogroups.com, "Vicki Bush" <nhrunner@...>
wrote:
>
> Coach,
> Sorry to read that you had to drop out of Marine Corps. Take care
and heal up.

vicki ~ Thanks, but I'm OK with the decision. After all, it was much
smarter than when I limped through the last 13 or so miles to Boston.
And now I'm also a perfectly balanced athlete because I broke the 5th
metatarsal in the other foot a few years ago.
}:9O

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