Hey BROWNS fans, is there anyone outthere a collector of BROWNS
games ? I have a nice list of games from 1979-present. My biggest
collection is the BROWNS / STEELERS match ups. If anyone is interested
in starting their own collection or if you need to add to it, let me
know, and send me your e-mail address, and i will forward you my game
list.  "go browns"

I've tried to join a Fantasy League from another list and we still need
managers..  If we don't get a few more by 6pm est today, the owner will nuke
it..  If you'd like to save our league, please join!

   http://fantasysports.yahoo.com/
   League ID:  258633
   Password:  rush



   Thanx!
   d


   BTW, I am not the Commish


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In an announcement today from bengalsland,  The Cincinnati Bengals will
be changing to an "All Orange Jersey" in 2007, They will also be moving
to a new "Six Digit" numbering system.    All in an effort to make
season wide extra ciricular activities easier.

The bottom of each jersey shall read:

"Hamilton County Jail"


BARK HARD

Firedawg

Browns trade Reuben Droughns to Giants

BEREA -- The Browns have traded running back Reuben Droughns to the NY
Giants for wide receiver Tim Carter.
The Browns signed former Ravens running back Jamal Lewis to a one-year
deal on Wednesday.

  source WKYC.com

Howard Brenner <brownsfest@...> wrote:

Subject: Sean Jones/Joshua Cribbs to appear at Rochester, NY banquet

BROWNSFEST '07, in Rochester , NY , will be on April 21 from 6-9 PM and will


feature *Sean Jones* and *Joshua Cribbs*



DIPLOMAT PARTY HOUSE

1956 Lyell Ave , Rochester , NY


$45 for adults, $55 at the door

$20 under 16

The price includes a buffet dinner and time for autographs and pictures with
the players. For out-of-towners, arrangements have also been made to get
special rates for Browns fans at the Diplomat Hotel.

For those of you who have been to BROWNSFESTs in the past, you know what a
great event this is. It's a great opportunity to see two of the Browns best
young players in person.


Contact BROWNSFEST@... or phone 585-482-3641 for details.


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Friedman signed to 1-year deal

   Jeff Walcoff, Staff Writer
   03.20.2007  The Cleveland Browns have signed offensive lineman Lennie Friedman
to a one-year contract, the team announced Tuesday.
   After a series of injuries to the unit, Friedman provided much-needed depth
along the team's offensive line at guard and center, playing in all 16 games
during the 2006 season with two starts.
   Friedman was acquired from the Chicago Bears via trade on Aug. 24, 2006 just
17 days prior to the start of the regular season. His two starts of the season
came against Baltimore on Dec. 17 and Houston on Dec. 31.
   The 30-year-old Milford, N.J. native is an eight-year veteran of the NFL. He
has appeared in 81 career games (34 starts) with Denver, Washington, Chicago and
the Browns. He was drafted by Denver in the second round, 61st overall, in the
1999 NFL Draft out of Duke.
   The Browns have now signed three interior offensive linemen this free agency
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Safety in Numbers (3/13/2007)
           3/13/2007

By Mike Kahn - Seahawks Insider


Bryan RussellKIRKLAND - Less than two weeks into free agency, and there doesn’t
appear to be any variation on the theme that is drawing quality players to the
Seattle Seahawks.

First defensive end Patrick Kerney, then safety Deon Grant, and this week it’s
another safety, Brian Russell, and tight end Marcus Pollard. Toss in the return
of versatile offensive lineman Floyd Womack, and the reasoning is clear.

These guys want to be in a locker room that knows how to win. Russell had
planned to make several visits, including the possibility of returning to the
Cleveland Browns. Admittedly, Russell had trouble containing himself when the
Seahawks brought the San Diego State grad up for his visit last week from his
Southern California home.
“Seattle was going to be my first visit, but I signed before I left,” Russell
said. “I had some other teams I was talking to, and Cleveland was trying to get
me to head back that way. But my No. 1 choice was Seattle. A lot of that was
because of how good they are and the fact that they’re trying to get to a Super
Bowl as soon as possible. Even the other opportunities, they were out there, but
I was hoping Seattle would work.
   “I wanted a good decision for myself and my family. So I really tried to look
at it objectively and go over everything with my agent. But at the end of the
day, I could have made the emotional decision because it was good in every way.”
   At 6-2, 210, and with five years experience at safety, Russell is thrilled to
join Grant - with whom he shares agent Mitch Frankel - and Mike Green and
Michael Boulware at safety. Russell is admittedly a late bloomer at safety. He
initially went to Penn as a quarterback, then transferred to San Diego State
where he continued to play quarterback until his senior year when he was moved
to safety. He even played cornerback in four games due to injuries in the
secondary.
   He was signed as an undrafted free agent by Denny Green with the Minnesota
Vikings, spent 2001 on the practice squad – and also learned a lot about the
position from former SDSU teammate Robert Griffith, a standout with the Vikings.
He got his feet wet in 2002, then in 2003 came of age with nine interceptions,
broke up 11 passes, and added 87 tackles as a starter at free safety. He started
the next year as well with the Vikings, then bolted to Cleveland the following
year as a free agent when the Vikings tender was low, so they parted ways.
   He started the past two seasons with the Browns – sitting out four games last
season when stitches popped open and he ultimately was hospitalized with a staph
infection that nearly reached epidemic proportions on the Browns. As a free
agent and at 29 years old, he wanted to be on a playoff team with Super Bowl
aspirations.
   There is no secret to why Russell has become a solid NFL safety. He feels the
quarterback experience he had helped prepare him for the responsibilities of
setting the defense at safety. The bonus, for him of course, is he gets to hit
instead of be hit.
























   “For me it's preparation, study time,” Russell said. “I think if you know how
a team is going to try to attack you, especially deep, then you can anticipate
some things and take those away. If you can take away the deep shots from an
offense, you give yourself a heck of a chance, because it's hard for offenses to
not make mistakes and go all the way down the field. In Cleveland we played
Cincinnati twice a year, and when you have Chad Johnson and that passing attack,
it puts the pressure on the deep safety. I took a lot of pride in playing good
football against quarterbacks and receivers like that.
“I pride myself in not making a lot of mistakes and not giving up plays. I've
played a lot of deep parts of the field. My job description has been: don't give
up big plays, make sure the breakout runs go down and don't go for a touchdown.
But at the same time, a few years back in Minnesota, I played a lot of quarters
coverage and very similar to what Seattle does now. I think I can tie those two
things in and play smart football and make some plays.”
   Obviously, that’s what the Seahawks are counting on and why Russell is
excited. He’s got to sell his house in Cleveland and move his wife to Seattle.
He hopes to be here before the off-season workout program begins to get
acclimated with the staff and his teammates. It’s all part of this master plan.
   The Seahawks wanted to shore up the defense with veteran players like Russell,
Kerney and Grant to establish more consistency to go along with the blossoming
youngsters. Both Grant and Russell have played both safety positions, while
Green sat out last season with a broken foot and Boulware was in and out of the
starting lineup. Clearly they now have more flexibility, and they’ve got a new
secondary coach with Jim Mora as well.
   “I’m really excited to be a Seahawk, and when I heard Deon was going to be
there it made it that much better,” Russell said. “I’ve watched Deon play on the
field and on TV. He’s just a talented football player. In fact we share an
agent. I’ve called him a few times to pick his brain on a few of the teams and
the secondary game plans they’ve had because they’ve really shut a few people
down – Peyton Manning being one of them – so it’s just exciting to play next to
the guy.
   “I think we have a heck of a group of safeties now, and I’m looking forward to
getting up there.”
   Plus Two
Bringing back Womack to the offensive line didn’t figure to be an issue. He made
a couple of visits, but the Seahawks fourth round draft choice in 2001 is one of
those rare players who can play all of the offensive line positions except
center and knows the offense inside out. He has played in 62 out of a possible
96 games, with injuries frequently a factor. He has started 31 games, at guard
and tackle, including nine games at guard last season. He’ll compete for a
starting spot this season.
   Pollard, 35, is entering his 13th season in the NFL. With Jerramy Stevens a
free agent and Itula Mili released last year, Pollard gives them a legitimate
starter to go along with occasional starter Will Heller and Benny Joppru also on
the roster. Pollard played 10 years with the Indianapolis Colts and the past two
with the Detroit Lions. At 6-3, 250, Pollard has had 40 or more receptions in
four of the past six seasons – with career stats of 123 starts out of 177 games,
including 321 receptions for 4,007 yards and 38 touchdowns.





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Browns sign Jamal Lewis to 1-year dealZac Jackson, Staff Writer  
03.07.2007  How's this for a reversal of fortunes? Jamal Lewis is set to bounce
off of would-be tacklers for the Browns instead of bouncing would-be tacklers
who play for the Browns.

The Browns signed Lewis to a one-year deal Wednesday night, bringing the veteran
power back to the team that he set the NFL single-game record of 295 yards
rushing against in 2003.

The Ravens released Lewis in a salary-cap move just prior to the start of free
agency.

His 314 carries for 1,132 yards last fall were the most since the record-setting
2003 season that gave him the NFL rushing title. That year, he rushed for 2,066
yards and 14 touchdowns.

Lewis, who turns 28 just prior to the start of the 2008 season, has seven NFL
seasons under his belt. His emergence as a rookie in 2000 helped the Ravens win
the Super Bowl, but he suffered a torn ACL in training camp the following summer
and missed the season.

He's rushed for more than 1,000 yards in four of five seasons since, missing the
mark only in 2005 when he had 906. For his career, he has 1,822 rushes for 7,801
yards and 45 touchdowns.

He has six career 100-yard games against the Browns, four of 170 yards or more.
   "We are pleased to add Jamal Lewis to our team," Browns Senior Vice President
and General Manager, Phil Savage said. "He is a proven NFL back who brings a
toughness and demeanor to the game that his teammates and our fans will
appreciate."

The addition of Lewis and Eric Steinbach in free agency dramatically changes the
look of the Browns' offense and reflects at least a mild change in the look of
the AFC North Division as a whole. Lewis is a 5-foot-11, 245-pound battering
ram, and the Browns plan to put a rugged offensive line in front of him.
   Savage was with the Ravens when they drafted Lewis in the first round in 2000.
Lewis becomes the third high-profile former Raven to sign with the Browns under
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         Steinbach Signs with Browns

       By Site Staff

Posted Mar 2, 2007

Scout.com has confirmed this evening that OG Eric Steinbach has signed with the
Cleveland Browns for 7 years and $49 million.

   The OBR can confirm televised reports this evening that Cincinnati Bengals UFA
G Eric Steinbach has signed a contract with the Cleveland Browns.
   Browns General Manager Phil Savage told reporters on Tuesday of last week that
the team intended to address the interior of the offensive line, and has done so
very quickly with the addition of Steinbach.
   The Iowa lineman has been in the NFL for four years and started every game for
Bengals in 2006, primarily at left guard. Steinbach filled in one game at center
and another at left tackle. Overall, Steinbach has played in all but one of 65
possible games since coming into the league in 2003. The signing makes up
somewhat for GM Butch Davis' decision to bypass Steinbach in the 2003 draft in
favor of Notre Dame center Jeff Faine.
   Steinbach will likely take the place of veteran left guard Joe Andruzzi, who
struggled increasingly with knee problems through the 2006 season for the
Browns. Despite his determination to play, Andruzzi was not perceived to be an
acceptable option for the Browns in 2007.
   Steinbach does provide the Browns with several options, however, as he can
play left tackle, which would allow Kevin Shaffer to move to the right. Some NFL
analysts feel Steinbach could also play at an All-Pro level at the center
position.
   The OBR is told that the deal is worth $49 million over seven years with $23
million in the first three years. We have also been told $17 million guaranteed.
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Browns say Bentley will miss 2007 season

Tuesday, February 20, 2007
4:25 p.m.

Brown center LeCharles Bentley, whose lifelong dream was to
play for the Browns, will most likely miss the 2007 season
and Browns general manager Phil Savage indicated there’s a
chance Bentley’s career might be over.

Savage said during a press conference on Tuesday that
Bentley will probably need another surgery on his torn left
patella tendon and that if he does, he will miss the 2007
season. He said Bentley is rehabbing in Arizona and will
know by May or June if he needs the surgery.

He said the Browns will carry Bentley on the roster through
the 2007 season, regardless.

“I think we certainly owe LeCharles the opportunty to see
where he’s going to be,” said Savage. “This time next year
I think we’ll have a much clearer picture in terms of is he
really a legitimate piece of the puzzle here or has the
injury been so devastating that he may never play again.

“I think that’s something we’ll know clearly this time a
year from now.”

Bentley, from St. Ignatius and Ohio State, vowed in
December that he would play again. Bentley's agent,
Jonathan Feinsod, said today, "I guarantee that LeCharles
will play again at a Pro Bowl level."

Bentley, signed to a 6-year, $36 million free agent
contract, suffered the torn patella tendon on the first
contact drill of the 2006 training camp and underwent
surgery soon after.

Savage said the Browns are proceeding as though Bentley
will not play in 2007, saying it will be a “bonus” if he
does.

Following his initial surgery, Bentley suffered a
life-threatening staph infection in the knee that had to be
surgically removed. The staph infection may have caused the
current damage that will probably need to be repaired.

In other Browns news, Savage said:

* The Browns extended running back Jason Wright’s contract
for one year through 2008.

* Cornerback Gary Baxter, who suffered two torn patella
tendons, has exceeded doctor’s expectations for where he’d
be at this point.

* While the Browns staff is at the NFL Combine in
Indianapolis this week, a company that specializes in
infection prevention will coat the Browns facility with a
glaze to help cut down on staph infections.

* Right tackle Ryan Tucker has been at the Browns facility
meeting with the new coaches and plans to participate in
the off-season program. He hopes to play for the Browns in
2007 after leaving the team because of a mental disorder in
2006.

* The Browns have $30 million in cap room and will be
aggressive in free agency.

* The team has stepped up negotiations with center Hank
Fraley now that it's apparent Bentley won't be around for
2007.

* There's no sense of urgency to re-sign free agent safety
Brian Russell.

* Look for the Browns to go after Buffalo cornerback Nate
Clement in free agency.

* The Browns won't tip their hand on who they'll pick with
the No. 3 or No. 4 pick in the draft.

* They haven't committed to Charlie Frye as their starting
quarterback, saying only that he's the incumbent.

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Once upon a time there lived a king.
The king had a beautiful daughter, the PRINCESS.

But there was a problem.  Everything the princess
touched would melt. No matter what;

metal,

wood,

stone,

anything she touched would melt.

Because of this, men were afraid of her.
Nobody would dare marry her.

The king despaired.
What could he do to help his daughter?

He consulted his wizards and magicians.
One wizard told the king,


"If your daughter touches one thing that does not melt in her hands,
she will be cured."


The king was overjoyed and came up with a plan.





The next day, he held a competition.
Any man that could bring his daughter an object
that would not melt would marry her and inherit the king's wealth.


THREE YOUNG PRINCES TOOK UP THE CHALLENGE.

The first brought a sword of the finest steel.





But alas, when the princess touched it, it melted.


The prince went away sadly.




The second prince brought diamonds.






He thought diamonds are the hardest substance
in the world and would not melt.
But alas,  once the princess touched them, they melted.


He too was sent away disappointed.


The third prince approached.   He told the princess,
"Put your hand in my pocket and feel what is in there."

The princess did as she was told, though she turned red.





She felt something hard.  She held it in her hand.
And it did not melt!!


The king was overjoyed.   Everybody in the kingdom was overjoyed.


And the third prince married the princess and they lived happily ever after.





Question:  What was in the prince's pants?
(Scroll down for the answer)



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M&M's of course.


They melt in your mouth, not in your hand.
   What were you thinking??


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   A woman went up to the bar in a quiet rural pub . . .

She gestured alluringly to the bartender who approached her immediately.

She seductively signaled that he should bring his face closer to hers. As he
did, she gently caressed his full beard.

"Are you the manager?" she asked, softly stroking his face with both hands.

"Actually, no," he replied.

"Can you get him for me? I need to speak to him," she said, running her hands
beyond his beard and into his hair.

"I'm afraid I can't," breathed the bartender. "Is there anything I can do?"

  "Yes. I need for you to give him a message," she continued, running her
forefinger across the bartender's lip and slyly popping a couple of her fingers
into his mouth and allowing him to suck them gently.

"What should I tell him?" the bartender managed to say.

"Tell him," she whispered,  "There's no toilet paper, hand soap, or paper towels
in the ladies room."






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I'd like to see the Browns draft some Ohio State players. I think it
would add a lot of excitement around the hometown, and OSU has the
best talent.  For some reason, the Browns don't care to look at OSU
and let their own state's players become top-performers for other NFL
teams.  Our only current player is a walk-on.  At the very least, Ohio
State players will come in well-coached.

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Cowher expected to step down Friday
Steelers plan to immediately begin search for coach
Posted: Thursday January 4, 2007 7:40PM; Updated: Thursday January 4, 2007
10:39PM
One season after winning the Super Bowl, Bill Cowher is expected to announce
Friday he's stepping down as Steelers coach.
David Bergman/SI

PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Bill Cowher is returning to the Pittsburgh Steelers -- to
say goodbye.

The Steelers will begin a coaching search Friday to replace the departing
Cowher, a person familiar with Cowher's status said Thursday night. Cowher
called owner Dan Rooney on Thursday to tell him of his decision, and the
team announced a Friday news conference not long after that. Cowher is
expected to attend.

The 49-year-old Cowher, one of the NFL's most recognizable faces and most
successful coaches for 15 seasons, has weighed resigning since shortly after
the Steelers finally won the Super Bowl in February following numerous near
misses.

Cowher has talked of wanting to spend more time with his family, especially
now that they are living in a new home in Raleigh, N.C., where he and wife
Kaye attended North Carolina State. Cowher's two oldest daughters are at
Princeton and the youngest has only 21/2 years of high school remaining,
time Cowher apparently doesn't want to spend away from her.

While Cowher would be resigning with one season left on his contract, there
is no indication he would retire from pro football. He said recently he is
not close to being burned out, and still likes coaching and dealing with
players.

Cowher, who led the Steelers to the playoffs 10 times, the AFC title game
six times and the Super Bowl twice, met with Rooney and team president Art
Rooney II on Tuesday and asked for several days to weigh his future plans.
There was an understanding a decision would be made quickly because the
Steelers don't want any top candidates accepting other jobs before talking
to them.

While the Steelers would have given Cowher until next week to make up his
mind, he decided not to make them wait and called Dan Rooney on Thursday.

Two strong contenders to replace Cowher -- Steelers offensive coordinator
Ken Whisenhunt and offensive line coach Russ Grimm -- already are in place
and are interviewing with other teams. The team would interview at least one
minority candidate, possibly more, and talk with several candidates outside
the organization.

The Steelers were willing to give Cowher some time following a disappointing
8-8 season to get away from the team, but felt they couldn't wait much
longer with the Falcons, Cardinals and Dolphins already seeking coaches. The
Falcons interviewed Whisenhunt on Thursday, and the Cardinals plan to
interview both Whisenhunt and Grimm.

There have been numerous signs pointing to Cowher's departure, beginning
when he told the team last spring he was uncertain of his plans past this
season. Contract extension talks last summer did not progress past the
preliminary stage.

Also, his season-ending meetings Monday with his players, which often last
hours and hours, were much shorter than usual. No players were seen in the
Steelers' complex past mid-afternoon and Pro Bowl guard Alan Faneca said it
was obvious Cowher looked ready to leave.

The Steelers gave Cowher the option of returning next season and completing
his current contract, but that arrangement would probably not satisfy either
side.

Cowher, if he coaches again, has signaled he wants to be one of the league's
highest-paid coaches. His current $4 million-plus salary is about half that
of Mike Holmgren, whose Seahawks lost to the Steelers in the Super Bowl last
season. The Steelers have given no indication they are willing to pay any
coach an $8 million salary.

The Steelers also wouldn't welcome a lame-duck coaching situation because it
would create a season-long distraction, and ongoing speculation about who
Cowher's successor would be.

Cowher is the NFL's longest-tenured coach with his current team; Tennessee's
Jeff Fisher, with 13 seasons, is second. Cowher, a former Pittsburgh area
high school player, is third among active coaches in regular-season
victories with a 149-90-1 record, and fourth overall with a 161-99-1 record
counting postseason games.

If he wants to return to a sideline immediately, with another team and at a
much higher salary, that team would have to work out compensation with the
Steelers because Cowher is under contract for 2007. But several players said
they were certain that if Cowher didn't coach the Steelers next season, he
would not coach any team.

A Steelers head coaching search is one of the NFL's rarest events. This
would be only the second time since 1969, when Hall of Famer Chuck Noll
began a 23-season run, they have sought a coach. By contrast, the
Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts have had 15 coaches during that span, including
interim coaches.

to all cleveland i would pay much attention to who they draft why if
i was phil savage not to say he couldnt do his job i think he will
get this to greater level of play but anyways first in the offseason
they need to bring in an offensive coordinator that brings balance
to this offense utilizing all their talents and key players to
greater benefit this team and maybe even an inovator but all cant be
blame on the play calling the personel needs upgrading esically
aging veterans ted washigton and willie m but i not critizing their
play but some will have to replace them and also i think they should
take a shot on troy smith with charlie frye inconstient play maybe
bring insome body to push the guy to play and if he doesnt then play
troy smith because i think he is a good quarterback that can make
and carry a team to becoming a winner reason i dont think charlie
can be a quarterback that can carry a young team like this some have
a certain  quarterbacks have some dont i think troy smith could help
this team win but am i saying they stick him in  and boom their in
the playoffs no im just saying i got a good feeling about this kid
and how he plays and him being from cleveland helps because he plays
harder for his hometown team. i dont have the rest of you feel but i
fully understand that crenel is making this team into a winner but
patience and time will be key

Browns put OL Coleman on injured reserve
December 29, 2006

CLEVELAND (AP) -- The Browns lost another offensive lineman Friday, placing
Cosey Coleman on injured reserve because of an ankle injury.

Coleman is the 14th player Cleveland has put on injured reserve. He started
15 games at right guard this season.

The Browns have lost five offensive lineman, including starters LeCharles
Bentley, who hurt his knee during training camp, and Ryan Tucker, who left
the team because of an undisclosed mental disorder.

With Coleman out and Joe Andruzzi listed as doubtful with a knee injury, the
Browns' starting guards Sunday against Houston will likely be backup Lennie
Friedman and rookie Rob Smith, who has spent most of the season on the
practice squad.

Linebacker Andra Davis also will miss the game because of a lingering
concussion.

Wide receiver Dennis Northcutt, who had been battling a shoulder injury, is
listed as questionable with a strained quadriceps he suffered Thursday.

To help fill the possible absence of Northcutt and wide receiver Joe
Jurevicius (concussion), Cleveland signed wide receiver Kendrick Mosley from
the practice squad Friday.

Quarterback Charlie Frye has been listed as questionable and third-stringer
Ken Dorsey is preparing to start, but coach Romeo Crennel said Friday that
Frye's wrist is improving.

He didn't rule out Frye playing.

"If I like what I see, I think maybe there is a chance," Crennel said. "He
has discomfort in his wrist, but he's a competitor and he's worked through
some things in his career. I think he's anxious to see what he can do."

Updated on Friday, Dec 29, 2006 6:22 pm EST

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CLEVELAND BROWNS (4-11)
General manager Phil Savage has given head coach Romeo Crennel a vote of
confidence. Now he needs to give his roster a talent boost if the Browns
have any plans to get out of the AFC North cellar in 2007. Savage locked
onto pass rushing specialist Kamerion Wimberly during last years Senior Bowl
practices and he has rewarded them with a 10-sack rookie campaign.

The teams front lines are still the weakness of the roster, although a
ground-and-pound running back and shutdown corner would also help increase
their shot at success next season.

Cleveland is hopeful that the recent trend of injuries and insubordination
will subside in the offseason, but with wide receiver Braylon Edwards
spouting off, tight end Kellen Winslow unable to practice most of the year
with his bad knee and not one quarterback on the roster looking like the
next coming of Mike Pagel, let alone Bernie Kosar, it puts the front office
in the crosshairs.

Several older veterans will become cap casualties, but the most pressing
areas of concern are up front as they need a healthy return of All-Pro
center LeCharles Bentley, as well as a talent influx at both offensive
tackle and interior defensive line.

The Browns will be contenders in free agency for guys like Pittsburgh
Steelers defensive end Aaron Smith and Baltimore Ravens outside linebacker
Adalius Thomas, so if one of those spots is immediately addressed, they'll
turn to the draft to fill other holes.

Should a guy like Wisconsin offensive tackle Joe Thomas fall to them, it
would be a wise addition, but they first have to agree to commit to the use
of Charlie Frye at quarterback, since they could very well have at least one
top-rated signal-caller available.

I can't even watch anymore ...

Hope you all have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Bob Young

They gave up the second Cincitucky game...

   You are mostly correct, though...

   One blaring weakness is at nose tackle..  I keep seeing
Ted standing up, trying to rush the QB..  One guy on him..



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--- Dale <dfahrney@...> wrote:

> Hey Guys.... It may be just me (a diehard loyal fan) like
> most of
> us....
>
> But have you noticed the passion they are playing with,
> they seem to
> keep finding ways to loose but they also are playing with
> more heart,
> more energy. They have a horrible record but they are
> still hitting
> hard and playing physically.
>
> In the past when they have been at a loosing point and it
> didnt matter
> any more they just gave up.  I have not seen them give up
> this year.
>
> Your Thoughts......
>
> Firedawg
>
>


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Hey Guys.... It may be just me (a diehard loyal fan) like most of
us....

But have you noticed the passion they are playing with, they seem to
keep finding ways to loose but they also are playing with more heart,
more energy. They have a horrible record but they are still hitting
hard and playing physically.

In the past when they have been at a loosing point and it didnt matter
any more they just gave up.  I have not seen them give up this year.

Your Thoughts......

Firedawg

I'm with ya there brother. The last step in this miserable process is apathy
and it appears to be what is happening with a lot of Browns fans. I think we
have officially hit rock bottom.

kmac





It drains you ...

Bob Young



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This is depressing. Games against the Steelers and Ravens and not hardly a
single peep out of anyone. I guess we Browns fans (me included) are getting
tired of losing.  It drains you ...

We don't have any rivals any more.  The Steelers don't even get up for the
Browns any more - it's just another game. The Ravens laugh at us.  The
Bengals of all teams are better than us.

I'd rather have my heart crushed with another 'drive' or 'fumble' or 'red
right 88' than suffer through this.

I'm depressed ...

Oh yeah, go Browns.

Bob Young

Q&A with Jim Brown
By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports
November 29, 2006

Charles Robinson
Yahoo! Sports
Jim Brown looks at the NFL, and he sees a disconnection.

With embarrassing off-field incidents becoming an almost weekly part of the
league's fabric, and on-field angst bubbling over in a growing fraction of
its youth, Brown sees a league that is losing touch with some of its
players. With that in mind, the former Cleveland Browns great, currently an
advisor to that franchise, discussed the health of the NFL and some of the
league's pertinent issues with Yahoo! Sports. Among the topics, Brown shared
his thoughts on why off-field conduct seems to be becoming a consistent
problem; how rule changes are bogging down the essence of the game; the
league's pension issues with former players; and why a cap on rookie
contracts would be a healthy move for the league.

Robinson: Do you think the game is as healthy as it's ever been? Some people
say the product on the field has never been better.

Brown: The entertainment is there from the standpoint of the playoff
structure, the marketing and the personalities. But the game is way up in
entertainment and way down in perfection. The ball is on the ground too
much. There are too many unintelligent plays. There's not a lot of
discipline. And the rules have gotten to the point where it's almost
ridiculous. They're trying to turn it into touch football. The horse collar
rule is totally ridiculous. And we've had a few incidents where the
quarterback was in the grasp, but the player felt if he threw him down too
hard, there would be a penalty (i.e. Giants defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka
against the Titans on Sunday). There is hesitation and indecision now in a
lot of situations where it comes to players hitting the quarterback. It
becomes a ticky-tack kind of thing that doesn't really represent what
football is all about. Football is a very physical game, but they've tried
to legislate things to a point where there is too much indecision.

Robinson: Do you think too much legislation robs football of what makes it
great?

Brown: Yeah. What you're doing is you're taking away the essence of the
game. When you go out on a football field, you are responsible for taking
care of yourself. The more rules you get, the less players truly take care
of themselves. See, quarterbacks have to be in great condition. They have to
make big decisions, which make for greatness. But when they don't get in
condition, and you try to protect them - you deal with the slide rule, and
you deal with if you're hit in the helmet or your facemask is touched -
there are only certain things you shouldn't allow. Your facemask shouldn't
be pulled on. . But now you can't hit below the knees, you can't do this or
that and there are so many rules where you almost don't know what to do to a
quarterback anymore. It's trying to protect the players, but you know, I
think it's also an attempt to try to add to the offensive excitement of the
game. It's over-legislated and it's not fair to defensive players. It
doesn't represent what football is supposed to be.

Robinson: You and I spoke before, and you said that money is becoming too
much of a central thing in this league. What did you mean by that?

Brown: The league is set up backwards. Somehow they have arrived at an
agreement that is almost the opposite of what it should be. Players coming
out of college have the greatest value. And it's not because they are going
to be a great pro. It's because they have played well in college; they have
a lot of publicity around them; and there's the draft and all this fan
interest. So you give a player coming out of college a $20 million bonus -
and that's his money. He hasn't played one down. Then, at a certain point in
his career, when he has proven himself and he's actually ready for a major
paycheck, then you have to get rid of him. It's like the opposite of what
should be happening. It doesn't breed greatness in the league, either. And
it's something that is a matter of agents battling for the most money. Then
you have guys holding players out and that makes a player's value the first
year null and void. He doesn't get to camp on time, then he doesn't catch
up, so he basically misses that first year. If he was in camp and signed up
early and ready to play, you would at least get that value that first year.
So there are a lot of things that money dictates early on that aren't the
best thing for the game.

Robinson: Would you be in favor of slotting rookie contracts, basically
creating a rookie cap like the NBA, with a predetermined amount going to
players based on draft position?

Brown: I would think something like that would be much fairer to everybody.
The incentives in the contracts could work better that way, and later
considerations would work better, too. If the (NFL) Players Association and
the league got together, they could come up with something that would be an
advantage to the owners and an advantage to the players from the standpoint
of quality of play, getting to camp on time, and having players who want to
perform. None of this being set financially before you ever play a down,
where if you never even play a down, you're still a $20 million guy. That
doesn't seem to make sense.

Robinson: You told me before that you think there's a lack of social
consciousness with players in the league today. Are guys just not socially
aware when it comes to issues outside of football or do they just purposely
stay away from things?

Brown: The issues are not paramount anymore. There's a great competition to
make the most money, to make the Pro Bowls and those things. The league has
almost become all-encompassing. The social issues outside of football are
not as defined as they were earlier, when integration took place and certain
rights were legislated. The Civil Rights movement is over. Individuals can
buy homes wherever they want, travel first class wherever they want, eat
wherever they want. All of these things now are part of the everyday lives
of players. But the discrimination and racism in the world now is very
subtle. It's poor people that are really suffering from a lack of inclusion.
Poor people live in a part of town that most players don't go into, and
those people aren't an issue as far as the league is concerned. Basically,
the players have become part of the elite part of society. And I mean
regardless of their color or anything like that. They are part of the elite
part of our society because of money and status. So there's not
discrimination based on black and white; it's more of a discrimination based
on the rich and the poor. The poor get little consideration. The schools in
our country are suffering tremendously. Violence is at an astronomical level
and nobody seems to be interested.

Robinson: Has the league moved itself away from being accessible and
effectual when it comes to the disenfranchised part of society?

Brown: The league will do charitable things, but it's not going to be
anything that is going to make a major change in the world. They deal with
things that are appealing to people. If you help disabled children, it's
very appealing. If you help kids with cancer, those are the things you get
credit for and those things are beautiful. But when it comes to stopping
violence or really putting the time into rebuilding schools, that's just a
different kind of project. It takes more than just money to do that. You
have to put time and effort and put systems in place and all that. It's not
something where you can just donate a check to the Red Cross or you can take
a photo op with kids in a hospital and then that's it.

When you're talking about rebuilding schools, that's a big project. When
you're talking about re-integrating inmates into society to make it safer,
that's a big job. When you talk about stopping violence in these
neighborhoods all over the country, that's a major job because there isn't
just one thing that you can do. Money is a part of it. But then there's a
lot of work that has to take place that the league isn't capable of doing.
But the league itself suffers because a lot of these kids playing today are
from these cultures. And the league wonders why these kids are not in touch
and why they aren't in touch with these kids. It's because they aren't in
touch with the culture these kids are coming from. So they don't know how to
approach these kids and work with them.

Even though the money is great and the fame is great, you still have a lot
of disenfranchised young men that are participating in the NFL that are not
very happy. A lot of them are very bitter. A lot them are very angry. So
many of them have had no fathers and no home life, and basically, no
education. So, coming into the league, it's the first time they've been able
to get anything materially that they want. And all of the sudden, people are
looking at them as so-called role models - which I don't believe in - and
inside, these kids are very unhappy.

Robinson: The league has talked about strengthening the personal conduct
policy. There's been a lot of talk about all of the arrests and police
incidents that have occurred with players this year and those kinds of
issues. Is it a backwards approach to just strengthen the personal conduct
policy rather than figure out how to connect with players before the
problems occur?

Brown: Yes, you're absolutely right. The whole thing with the punishment
doesn't work. The punishment is after the fact. It takes education. And the
league doesn't reach out to the people that would have the educational
techniques to work with these youngsters. The league is a club of its own.
If you go and get someone from Harvard, and he's doctor so-and-so, and then
you have him go around to teams and give them a two-hour lecture, (the
league believes that's addressing the issue). They're not really in touch.
They're emphasizing rules once again, and rules are broken all the time.
Most of these kids are used to breaking rules.

When you have a problem, rules don't solve your problem. It's caring and
education. You have to connect properly with these young people and
understand there is a psychological problem there. It's not done just
because you fine a guy $100,000 or $50,000. The unhappiness shows all over
these guys, and the league doesn't seem to be able to understand it. But
they like the talent, so they put everything aside and go along with
everything that's being done so they can utilize the talent of that person.
But when that talent is gone, then it's like a breath of fresh air to get
rid of him. I'm saying these things not to knock the league. You have more
there than the league. You have the league, you have the agents, you have
the managers, the lawyers. You have the kids themselves and what's left of
the families. It's all of our responsibility to connect with these young men
and do it in a way that allows them to get some inner satisfaction. Only the
inner satisfaction is going to make the behavior come up to what we expect
of them.

Robinson: We spoke before about the lack of father figures in the lives of
some players today. If there is something like that lacking, how do you go
about making sure players are getting the right guidance in their lives?

Brown: Let me be very outspoken with you. I run a program called Amer-I-Can.
We've taught in prisons, schools, juvenile facilities and we teach in the
community. We have the greatest record from the standpoint of dealing with
grade point averages, disciplinary action and attendance in schools. All the
quantitative data is there. We deal with gang-bangers who have turned their
lives around - which literally means you are saving lives. We have a
life-skills program that is as good as any in the country.

The year Baltimore won the Super Bowl, we went in and I had two of my guys
give a seminar there and we left a lot of materials with that team. The
principals of the program are unbelievable. If the league would just reach
out and just recognize what is going on and what is needed, we could set a
tremendous program that would take about two weeks of the players' time. If
each player was basically given the opportunity to attend that life skills
management seminar, I guarantee there would be a huge difference in the
actions of these young men. We've already proven it with a much tougher
audience when it comes to guys like gang members. Those are people that are
basically in war-like situations. My point is, there are things that could
be adapted by the league that would be a realistic approach to human
behavior and how to develop and change human behavior.

The things the NFL does now are kind of company things, which you can
understand. It's like they are dealing within the family. But I think
sometimes you have to reach outside your family to find things that really
work. If an organization can go to a prison and stop riots, and you can
relate to young men all over the country, then what is the NFL but a lot of
young men that come from all walks of life? If you look at Curtis Martin, if
you look at Kellen Winslow, Dennis Northcutt, LaDainian Tomlinson -
Amer-I-Can training allows us to be able to relate to these young men, and
have these young men relate to us. There is a methodology. There has to be
caring. There has to be education. You have to approach it in a consistent
manner. It can't be a quick fix. The league has an opportunity to institute
some things that would really be meaningful and would help in the behavior
of these young men.

Robinson: There have been some voices from past eras in the NFL that have
been disappointed with the pensions doled out to former players,
particularly when it comes to the mounting medical bills that exist largely
in relation to their playing days. What do you think about the pension
issues?

Brown: The NFL pension is the worst in the world of business. It's an
embarrassment. No, I don't think there should be better pensions. I know
there should be. It's an embarrassment and it's unfair. It's a shame. There
are some players that make $120 a month. I don't care what the conditions
are. No player should be making $120 a month off the pension plan.

Robinson: How would you like to see amends made? I spoke to (former Green
Bay Packers lineman) Jerry Kramer a few months back and he basically said
there needs to be a better mechanism that makes sure former players are
taken care of, whether it's paying for medical bills or just simply
increasing the amount paid to former players.

Brown: Bart Starr and myself, along with Roger Staubach, we spoke to Gene
Upshaw. We were supposed to have a meeting, but it was cancelled. We had a
telephone conference call with him, and he said there was some room to make
it better and that he's going to work on it. The last thing I heard, there
should be about a 20-percent increase in pensions which I think would be
very, very helpful. And they do have some medical situations to help
players. But it really needs to be revisited. The young players of today
should really step up. Some of the players are homeless. And as I said, some
of them are making as little as $120 a month.

Robinson: There has been some talk about banned substances in the league and
we've seen some prominent suspensions over the last few years. We've also
heard a lot of talk about HGH and reasoning why the NFL isn't testing for
it. "Bigger, faster stronger" seems to be the league trend. With that in
mind, is it possible that a substance like HGH or even other substances are
more prevalent than people realize?

Brown: First of all, let me say this about the league: Bigger, fatter, more
out of condition and getting hurt a lot. You can quote me on that. I've
never seen more fat guys in my life. And I've never seen more injuries in my
life. We've got guys that can get out of a game with a broken finger, a
twisted wrist, or a high ankle sprain. It's unbelievable. That's basically
my answer. I don't see how they could be using too much illegal stuff that's
helping them. When I'm in the locker room and I'm looking around, I don't
think I'm looking at a lot of guys that are trying to cheat. Every once in a
while a guy might come along that's a physical freak and you might be
suspicious. But I don't think there is a lot of stuff that's being used, to
be honest with you.

Robinson: Tell me a little more about Amer-I-Can, so readers can understand
why it's so important to you.

Brown: It's really not a charity. It's really a movement. I'm not trying to
solicit anything from the general public at this time. I'm trying to build
assistance. But anybody that has special interest, they can go to
www.amer-i-can.org. We're trying to make change. Basically by stopping the
violence with these young kids killing each other and upgrading schools.
These two things, to me, are the most vital things we can do for our young
people.

Jim Brown's Celebrity Golf Classic - benefiting the Amer-I-Can foundation -
will be held Jan. 29 and 31 at the Blue Monster golf course at Doral Golf
Resort in Miami, Fla. Those interested in information or becoming a sponsor
for the classic can contact Floyd Raglin at floyddrama@....

Charles Robinson is a national NFL writer for Yahoo! Sports. Send Charles a
question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
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