If there were two numbers that the Celtics focused on when they looked at the box score after losing at home to Phoenix last Friday, they were opponents’ field goal percentage and opponents’ scoring.
The Suns shot 50 percent and scored 110 points, and every digit was more annoying to the Celtics than the next.
“It’s noticeable,’’ said Paul Pierce. “You look up and a team scores 100 points or a team shoots over 50 percent on the Boston Celtics. That’s not the type of team we are. We’re a defensive team. We don’t give up a lot of points. We don’t allow a high field goal percentage. You definitely notice it.’’
What they also noticed was that over the previous three games, they were running out of steam. But before they ever scored a bucket in last night’s 105-86 win over Utah, the Celtics went over every defensive detail possible. They had three days to not only rest their vet erans and refine aspects of their game, but to research the Jazz.
“We paid attention to the small things and the details,’’ said Kevin Garnett, “because this is how that team beats you.’’
The way the Jazz sneak by you on back cuts. The way they make you pay for gambling. The way their point guard, Deron Williams, pushes the ball down a defense’s throat. The Celtics prepared for it all.
“Everybody knew exactly what they were going to run,’’ said Ray Allen.
The Celtics lived in Utah’s passing lanes. They refused to let Paul Millsap or Ronnie Brewer make cuts in front of them. They forced 21 turnovers and turned them into 25 points.
They built a 54-44 halftime lead, hitting 21 of 39 shots, while forcing the Jazz to miss 23 of their 42. In the third, the Celtics did their best to rope off the paint, forcing the Jazz to take jumpers on 11 of their 16 shots in the quarter, and causing seven turnovers.
“That’s the process of the progression of the game for us,’’ said Allen, one of seven Celtics in double digits, with 15 points on 6-of-8 shooting. “Whatever they’re running, kind of push them further away from the basket and make them play on their heels a little bit.’’
The Celtics then used the opportunities created by the defense to move the ball, find open threes, and create easy shots under the basket. As quiet as Pierce’s 13 points seemed, his two 3-pointers at the start of the third quarter began the avalanche that eventually smothered the Jazz.
The Celtics shot 61.1 percent (11 for 18) in the quarter, and certain possessions - particularly one midway through the third when the ball touched four sets of hands (Rajon Rondo, to Allen, to Kendrick Perkins, behind the back to Garnett, back to Rondo) before resulting in a layup - seemed clinical. By the end of the quarter, the Celtics had stretched a 10-point halftime lead to 22 points (the lead would peak at 23).
The offense passed the century mark for the fourth time in nine games, and there was a balance that had been absent over the last three games.
“We want to be one of the best defensive teams in history,’’ said Rondo, who handed out 11 assists to go with 14 points on 7-of-11 shooting for his sixth double-figure assist performance of the young season. “And we know we’ve got to do it consistently.’’
“If you’re going to pride yourself on defense, then [those numbers] shouldn’t happen,’’ Rivers said of a team scoring as many points, and shooting as high a percentage, as the Suns had. “And they did. They saw that. And they thought it happened on both ends. Not only that happened, but then the offense wasn’t good enough, either. And there will be nights where your offense is bad and your defense has to carry you. And on those few nights where your defense is bad then your offense has to carry you. So in our mind, we let both offense, defense, let each other down on a couple nights.’’
The Celtics beat the Jazz the way they had beaten the Hornets and Bulls, leaving Williams to say of his team, “We’re soft.’’
With the box score in front of him showing numbers he was more accustomed to, Garnett (18 points) said, “I thought for 48 minutes we were very well-connected.’’
So this is why Doc Rivers and his coaching staff were so happy to
have two solid days of practice this week.
The Celtics more prepared to take a final exam than the Utah Jazz
did to take a pop quiz as the C’s systematically took apart the Jazz,
105-86, at TD Garden.
The Celtics held the Jazz to 37-of-79 shooting for 46.8 percent. But
most impressively, they forced Utah, a team that prides itself on
execution, to commit 21 turnovers.
Apparently the Celtics were listening when the coaches, starting
with defensive guru Tom Thibodeau, preached about staying ready for the
pick-and-roll and not letting Utah’s big men of Carlos Boozer and
Mehmet Okur get easy baskets underneath.
Afterward, the Celtics were appreciative of their coaches’
preparation, as was head coach Doc Rivers.
One of the NBA’s oldest rosters showed what it can do when it gets to take a beauty rest. Its next game was….a beauty…and the bench took care of the rest.
The Celtics move to 8-1.
Facing a tough Utah Jazz team that gives the Cs trouble in the TD Garden, Kevin Garnett led the way with 18 points in just 26 minutes, while Rajon Rondo registered his third double double of the season with 14 points and 11 assists.
Garnett also turned in a stellar defensive job on Carlos Boozer, holding him to just 10 points, on 5 of 7 shooting, two rebounds, and 4 turnovers.
Because back-up point guard Ronnie Price is out, Deron Williams played 33 minutes for the Jazz with a troubled back.
Once again the Celtics’ second unit played a solid role. As the second quarter began, Marquis Daniels made a reverse lay up and Rasheed Wallace dropped in two straight three point bombs giving the Celtics their biggest lead (nine points) to that point at 36-27. The Jazz would get no closer than seven the rest of the way.
Off for three days, the Beantown Ballers practiced defending the pick and roll among other things, a staple of the Jazz offense. The rested Celtics took it to the unfortunate Utah Jazz, shooting .532 for the game while holding the Jazz to 0-10 from the three point line and just 86 points total.
The Celtics gave a clinic in sharing the ball all night, as 7 Celtics scored in double digits. All 12 Celtics played and 10 players scored. The Jazz never led in the game, as the Celtics jumped out on top, though Utah tied it up twice in the first quarter, at 16 and again at 23 all.
Though the Celtics final point total and shooting percentage won’t indicate it, they faced some excellent defensive stands by the Jazz. An energetic and mobile Utah defense caused the Celtics to make multiple passes that either did not produce a solid look at the basket, or required extra patience to find the open shot. The renewed Celtics were up to the challenge.
Some Celtic passing sequences were simply brilliant, using 3-4 passes to eventually dissect the defense for the easiest shot.
Correspondingly, the Celtics set the standard for an active defense, generating 7 steals and causing 21 turnovers, resulting in 25 points, while maintaining solid help defense all night. In spite of that, the Jazz scored 46 points in the paint, 12 points higher than what the Cs were allowing this season. The Celtics are the fourth best in the NBA in that category. It was the distance shooting and turnovers that did the Jazz offense in.
An 18 point third quarter lead allowed Doc Rivers to rest most of the starters for the entire 4th quarter. The second unit (playing with Paul Pierce or Ray Allen) continued to play well, holding, and even extending the lead it was given.
Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett were both 4 of 5 shooting with ten points at the half. Kendrick Perkins had 8 in the second period when the Celtics started to break away and ten total at the half way point. Kendrick led the Celtics with 8 rebounds.
Paul Pierce had an efficient and productive game with 13 points on just 4 of 7 shooting, but 3 of 5 from downtown, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, and led both teams with three steals. Ray Allen finished 6 of 8 shooting for 15 points and 4 assists. Garnett added 4 rebounds, an assist and 2 steals.
Rasheed Wallace added 12 points on 5 of 12 shooting, with just one rebound in 21 minutes. Marquis Daniels hit double figures in scoring at ten points for the very first time as a Celtic, adding 3 rebounds and 3 assists in 21 minutes.
Shelden Williams added 6 points and 6 rebounds in 19 plus minutes as he continues to play a solid game.
Rebounding Paul Millsap came off the Utah bench to lead all rebounders with 13 in 23 plus minutes. In fact, the Jazz had 17 offensive rebounds and beat the Celtics in rebounding overall 39-33. It wasn’t enough.
Deron Williams and Ron Brewer led the Jazz with 13 points apiece. Williams was held to just 4 assists, his season low.
The Celtics play the 6-2 Atlanta Hawks next on Friday in Boston.
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The 76ers are struggling to put people in all those red seats at the
Wachovia Center. Despite facing the Celtics and high-flying Suns among
their first four South Philadel-phia dates, the Sixers are last in the league in home attendance
with an average of 11,537 fans.
The next team (the Kings) is 1,050 ahead of the Sixers. The Sixers are
playing to 56.8 percent capacity - none of the other 29 teams is below
70.6. Philly Burbs
The Nets were missing four key players from a team that, even with its
starters, isn't all that competitive. And still, on the game's final
possession, New Jersey had a chance. But on its final inbounds play,
New Jersey committed a scratch-your-head turnover that secured the
Sixers' 82-79 victory at the Izod Center. The Sixers improved to 4-4;
the Nets are 0-8. The Nets were without all-star point guard Devin
Harris, and regulars Chris Douglas-Roberts, Yi Jianlian, and Courtney
Lee. On the Nets' last-second sideline inbounds play - in front of
their own basket - point guard Rafer Alston inexplicably threw a pass
to Sixers forward Thaddeus Young. Philadelphia Inquirer
Apparently it got so confusing, some people called Lakers spokesman
John Black for a clarification, to which Black said Jackson was joking
and that [Pau] Gasol was ``day-to-day,'' which is basically a
catch-all phrase to describe an injury that has no timetable for a
return.
What's frustrating is that nothing Jackson said was incorrect. He was
merely trying to convey the sense of frustration and mystery
surrounding Gasol's injury. I believe that is what all the reporters
who were at practice took from it, and later wrote in their stories.
But sometimes, in an effort to draw out the one-line news nugget of a
story, subtlety and context gets lost. LA Daily News Blog
During the ‘09 conference finals, Shaq
showed up at one of Orlando’s home games against the Cavs,
to the chagrin of a lot of people associated with the Magic. Last night
Shaq was back in the building; this time wearing a Cavs uniform. Throw
in the tension leftover from when Diesel was talking greasy about Dwight
Howard and Stan Van Gundy last year, and you
know the fans had a lot of venom toward Big
Witness Protection.
He played into it, too, doing stuff like leaving his hand in the air
extra-long after a free throw. And the crowd was even more pissed when
Cleveland walked out with a win … The
head-to-head between Dwight and Shaq didn’t really materialize, as Shaq
(10 pts, 4 rebs) got Dwight (11 pts, 7 rebs) in foul trouble early into
the first quarter, setting the tone for the night. Shaq only played 19
minutes himself, but when he was on the court, he showed why Cleveland
picked him up. Since he’s able to guard Dwight one-on-one, the rest of
the defense can better guard Orlando’s shooters. Rashard Lewis
and Ryan Anderson
were out for this one, and the healthy gunners shot 4-of-18 beyond the
arc … You see how much better the Cavs are when other guys are scoring
and it’s not all about LeBron? In the first half, Mo
Williams
got on a roll and hit some shots, drawing enough attention to set up
LeBron (36 pts, 8 rebs) for easier looks. One time Mo (28 pts, 6 asts)
got Dwight to turn his back on a cutting LeBron, leading to a double
clutch two-hander … The other Eastern Conference favorite, the Celtics,
had little trouble silencing the Jazz. Two quotes and two plays summed
it up: (1) Third quarter, Kevin Garnett made eye
contact with Rajon Rondo and cut to the rim, where
Rondo placed a lob just in the right spot where KG could dunk over Paul
Millsap and Kyrylo Fesenko. (2) Jerry
Sloan
at his sarcastic best: “It wasn’t a lot fun to watch. I wouldn’t mind
if they rebounded. There aren’t any rules against rebounding.” (3) Less
than four seconds on the clock at the end of the third, Rondo took the
inbounds and hit sixth gear to get himself a layup before the buzzer
while the Jazz defense was stuck in the mud. (4) Deron Williams,
who played through a sore back and bruised calf: “Right
now, we’re soft. There’s no way around it. We have to toughen up.”
… Months from now, when the Western Conference playoff race is
approaching the home stretch, the Mavs are gonna look back on
Wednesday’s loss in San Antonio and kick themselves. A team like the
Raptors dropping one to the Spurs when Tim Duncan and
Tony Parker are out is one thing, but if the Mavs are
supposed to be seriously contending, that’s a game they’re supposed to
win. Richard Jefferson led the way with 29 points, while Dirk
Nowitzki had 29 and 12 boards in the loss … Right before halftime, Manu
Ginobili (13 pts, 5-13 FG) was working against Jason Kidd
at midcourt. Manu tried to go behind the back right, and got cut off;
spin move left, cut off; behind the back right again, cut off again.
Kidd was on him like butter on toast until he took a half-step
backwards, enough space for Manu to drop a deep three at the buzzer.
Kidd did just about everything right, but it goes to show you can’t
really stop a professional scorer like that … Classic Zach Randolph
moment of the night: Already getting the business from Luis Scola
(22 pts, 15 rebs), Z-Bo had Scola posted up when Scola pulled the chair
on him. Both guys stumbled and Scola fell down, so after Zach’s
off-balance crap shot somehow went in, he took the ball and dropped it
on Scola’s chest. Technical. Next time down, Scola gets the ball and
scores on Z-Bo easily, so of course Zach starts yelling at his
teammates for not helping him out. The Rockets won easily, BTW … Other
big stat lines from Wednesday: Chris Bosh put up 28
points and 11 rebounds in a win over the Bulls; Kevin Durant
had 30 and 10 in a win over the Clippers; Danny Granger
gave the Warriors 31 points and 16 boards in a win; Greg Oden
posted 18 points and 11 boards in a win at Minnesota; Amar’e
scored 21 to lead Phoenix past the Hornets; Al Horford went for
25 and nine to beat the Knicks; Brook Lopez had 23
points and 13 boards in a loss to the Sixers; and Charlie
Villanueva scored 30 in Detroit’s blowout of the Bobcats. Ben
Wallace played 30 minutes in that game and didn’t take a
single shot, which is strange because that’s the same recurring
nightmare Ben Gordon often has … Brandon Jennings
dropped 32 points (11-19 FG) and nine assists in an upset win over the
Nuggets, looking like he borrowed some
of Chauncey Billups‘ Clutch
in the process. Jennings hit back-to-back threes in the fourth quarter
after Denver had cut the lead to one, then sealed it with free throws
at the end … We’ve said before that Ersan Ilyasova might be the
most awkward, weird-looking dude in the NBA. Yesterday one of Denver’s
announcers said, “[Ilyasova] looks like Hannibal Lecter, but
he’s playing like Larry Bird tonight.” … We’re out like Shaq
getting #32 retired in Orlando …
by Michael Dwyer - AP Kevin Garnett and the
Celtics had the Jazz singing the blues. View
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A little practice can go a long way. Fresh off of a three-day rest,
the rejuvenated Celtics returned to the TD Garden and beat
up on the already beaten up Utah
Jazz, 105-86. All five of the starters starters, as well as Rasheed
Wallace and Marquis Daniels scored in double figures on
the night, as the Celtics worked the ball well and got all involved.
"Over the stretch of eight games we barely had any practice time,"
said Paul Pierce, who scored 13 points while adding six boards and six
assists. "So throughout that course sometimes you play, you play, and
you really don't practice and you lose some of the discipline that you
have throughout the course of practicing before you play."
"It's like just revisiting everybody's individual lab," said Ray
Allen. "You go in there and mix up your potion, whatever it is... your
game together. When you're not in [the gym] for a while you definitely
need to get that feeling back to it."
Doc Rivers
could not stress enough how important it was to get back in the gym and
work out some of the kinks. It seemed that many of the issues were
addressed, as the Celtics held their opponent to 90 points or lower for
the eighth time in nine games. The only time they didn't hold their
opponent to under 90 points was in the loss to Phoenix on November 6.
In fact, the Celtics are the only team in the shot clock era to hold
opponents to under 90 points in their first six wins.
"I just thought the execution tonight was absolutely fantastic-
especially the beginning of the game," Coach Doc Rivers said. "I think
we got two or three lay-ups and two wide-open shots to start the game.
And the defense, the hands were active."
Once again the Celtics jumped all over the opponent in the third
quarter, scoring 30 points in the quarter and holding the Jazz to 18.
With 3.8 seconds left in the third quarter, Rajon Rondo drove down the
court and laid in the ball at the buzzer to give the Celtics a 22-point
lead.
"It's called get out of the way play," Rajon Rondo joked. "Rasheed
stepped up and set a great pick, and left me one on one with the big,
and I just tried to get to the rim as quick as possible. It was just
good spacing on the floor. Doc brought in shooters so you couldn't
leave the corner."
It is certainly special when a team has a bench full of guys who can
play a significant role in any game at any moment. That has been the
case so far this season, as players coming off the bench have stepped
up and excelled in their role. Kevin Garnett, who had a game high 18 points
tonight, is quick to rave about how happy he is with the bench so far.
"[Marquis Daniels] makes everything so easy because he can hound the
ball, he can score, he's a post threat. And Rasheed, he just stretches
the defense. The shocker here is probably Shelden Williams. He's
rebounding, he's keeping the balls alive, he's perfect for this team.
He's that live wire that we need, especially with Glen [Davis] being
out and he's came in and filled the void that was lost for a second."
The Jazz were clearly outmatched and outcoached for the majority of
the game, and they could do nothing but tip their hats to the Celtics
on their way out.
"In the second-third quarter, they came out, they executed their
offense," Jazz Coach Jerry Sloan
said. "They do a great job executing their offense and they're very,
very, good defensively. They made it tough for us. We turned the ball
over for 15 points in the first half... and they just were all over us."
There was a chance that we would not see the Rajon Rondo / Deron Williams
matchup tonight because of Williams' back problems, but he was cleared
to play after the pre-game shoot around. He ended up scoring 13 points
and dishing out seven assists, in a less-than-Williams-like
performance, but didn't blame his poor performance on his back.
"We all played bad today," Williams admitted. "We all have to play
better to win, and we haven't done that on a consistent basis this
year- and it's frustrating."
"We're soft- and there's no way around it," Williams continued.
"We're not playing tough at all. They were quick on loose balls, quick
on the floor. They did what you have to do to win. They're a great
team. They have a group of guys who know their roles, one through ten."
I’m using the same system that had the Celtics #1 last
year longer than Laker fans liked - I don’t drop on 1 loss – and the
current champ gets initial precedence.
From:
Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of hytem Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:52 PM To: Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] Re: POWER RANKINGS / WEEK 2 - WIZARDS IN
FREE-FALL
FWIW, the Celtics are obviously no.1--tougher
schedule and better record.Big market bias insults the group.
Brand didn't turn out to be a "steal" after all. Big mistake for that Philly GM.
They fired the other guy for less.
--- In Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com, John S <jsik33@...> wrote:
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> [image: nba rumors] *"Of course there's a level of frustration creeping in,
> being 3-4," [Elton] Brand
>
said<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_76ers__Brand_frustrated\
_with_his_playing_time.html>
> * after yesterday's practice at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic
> Medicine. "We're close to being 5-2 and it's all smiles around here, but
> being 3-4, it's frustrating, absolutely." Tonight at 7:30, the Sixers play
> the winless New Jersey Nets at the Izod Center in East Rutherford, N.J.
> Before signing a five-year, $80 million contract with the Sixers before last
> season, Brand, in nine NBA seasons, had never played a full NBA season
> averaging less than 37.0 minutes a game. Philadelphia
>
Inquirer<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_76ers__Brand_frustr\
ated_with_his_playing_time.html>
>
> *Brand is sitting at the end of close games. He's become a very expensive
> fifth option. And Jordan seems less concerned with how to incorporate Brand
> and more concerned with Brand accepting the
>
situation<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_76ers__Brand_frust\
rated_with_his_playing_time.html>
> *. "I look at how you play in the game," Jordan said. "It's not all about
> stats; anybody can get stats and lose. There are a lot of good stat players
> on losing teams that when you put them on winning teams, they're not good
> players. Not to say I'm talking about our guys." Philadelphia
>
Inquirer<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_76ers__Brand_frustr\
ated_with_his_playing_time.html>
>
> *Brand said that "absolutely" this was the first time in his career he has
> sat when games are being
>
decided<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_76ers__Brand_frustra\
ted_with_his_playing_time.html>
> *. He said that, of course, he's pressing to show he can return to
> pre-injury effectiveness. "I'm human, so it happens," Brand said. "I don't
> think I've had the opportunity to be out there and say, 'Hey, OK, let's do
> something different,' you know what I mean?" Philadelphia
>
Inquirer<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_76ers__Brand_frustr\
ated_with_his_playing_time.html>
>
> *None of this - especially the part about the lack of fans - amuses a Sixers
> management that saw attendance slide last season to its lowest level since
> the 1996 opening of the Wachovia
>
Center<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_Bob_Ford__Signs_of_tr\
ouble_for_Sixers.html>
> *. There was a tight rein on expenses during the off-season, and Stefanski -
> who does appear to like the new coach and his philosophy - was limited to
> hiring someone in Jordan's moderate price range. As for players, the league
> allows teams to have 15 on the roster, with 12 active for each game. Only
> four of the 30 teams entered the season with fewer than 14 on the roster. If
> you can guess the identity of one of them, you win a ballhandling clinic
> with Primoz Brezec. Philadelphia
>
Inquirer<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_Bob_Ford__Signs_of_\
trouble_for_Sixers.html>
>
> *It is something else again to say that Brand isn't good enough to perform
> the role for which he was hired. Brand was Stefanski's idea, an idea that
> has three more seasons, not including this one, and $51 million to go before
> it
expires<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_Bob_Ford__Signs_of_t\
rouble_for_Sixers.html>
> *. Jordan is saying that by his actions, if not his words, which means he is
> either super-confident in the others or super-confident that if he goes with
> Brand, he goes down. Entering tonight's game, Brand is averaging 10.1 points
> and 5.6 rebounds per game. Of his 71 points this season, 33 have come in the
> first quarter. Brand is a good citizen in the locker room. He says he is
> frustrated and finds the situation "very difficult," but leaves it at
> that. Philadelphia
>
Inquirer<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_Bob_Ford__Signs_of_\
trouble_for_Sixers.html>
>
> *While playing one-on-one at the end of practice, Elton Brand sent Primoz
> Brezec to the locker room with a bloodied nose. Earlier in the practice,
> Brand sent Smith off to the sidelines with a hurt right
>
shoulder<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_Sixers_coach_Jordan\
_still_experimenting.html>
> * during scrimmage time. After grabbing a rebound, Brand was dribbling down
> the court and being harassed by Smith. Brand gave a well-placed elbow to
> Smith's shoulder, in what appeared to be a charley-horse-like injury. Said
> Brand: "Jason went down courtesy of himself. Jason goes down because he
> plays hard. He went down because of himself. Now Primoz, I took Primoz out."
> Philadelphia Daily
>
News<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_Sixers_coach_Jordan_sti\
ll_experimenting.html>
>
> [image: nba rumors] Magic C Dwight Howard has been fined for saying things
> to officials during games, drawing technicals. *On Tuesday, the NBA
> announced that Howard was being fined $15,000 for public criticism of the
> officiating that appeared on his personal
>
blog<http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-orlando-magic-notes-\
1111_2-20091110,0,5808322.story>
> *. Howard's comments appeared following Orlando's 85-80 loss to Detroit on
> November 3 at The Palace of Auburn Hills. Orlando
>
Sentinel<http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-orlando-magic-no\
tes-1111_2-20091110,0,5808322.story>
>
> *"What really bothers me is they are letting guys hammer me at one end of
> the floor, yet I'm being called for everything. All of those hits take a
> toll on my body after a while," Howard
>
wrote<http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-orlando-magic-notes\
-1111_2-20091110,0,5808322.story>
> *. Howard had made similar statements in the Sentinel. Orlando
>
Sentinel<http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-orlando-magic-no\
tes-1111_2-20091110,0,5808322.story>
>
> The Lakers have a late-arriving crowd because it's laid-back L.A. But
> Charlotte? *Bobcats Arena looked more like a preseason game at tip-off
> Tuesday
night<http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-orlando-magic-notes\
-1111_2-20091110,0,5808322.story>
> *, with the lower bowl about 60 percent full. It was good for Duke grad J.J.
> Redick — fewer people to boo him. Orlando
>
Sentinel<http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-orlando-magic-no\
tes-1111_2-20091110,0,5808322.story>
>
> [image: nba rumors] *With Tracy McGrady targeting Nov. 18 to return, a week
> earlier than the earliest the Rockets had in mind, Rockets coach Rick
> Adelman has no date in mind for McGrady's his season
> debut<http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6714455.html>
> *. "There is no timetable," Adelman said. "Though it looks like there's been
> a lot of timetables out there the last day or so, there hasn't been for me."
> Though McGrady said Tuesday he's in no rush to return, Adelman understands
> if McGrady is impatient. Houston
> Chronicle<http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6714455.html>
>
> *"The biggest thing in talking to him is he doesn't have the pain he had
> last year," Adelman said. "He still has a long ways to go as far
> as<http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6714455.html>
> * running the court, moving, defensively, those types of things. The biggest
> thing in his mind is last year he had a definite limp. He does not have
> that. Coming off that (microfracture) surgery, you're not going to have that
> explosiveness. You're not going to have the quickness." Houston
> Chronicle<http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6714455.html>
>
> [image: nba rumors] But if there were thoughts that [Raptors] coach Jay
> Triano would re-think the team's defensive philosophy, they should be put
> immediately out of mind. *"We're not going to change this system, we just
> have to play it better," Triano said during the just-completed 1-2
> road
trip<http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/nba/raptors/article/724080--defens\
ive-breakdowns-need-to-stop-says-triano>
> * through New Orleans, Dallas and San Antonio. The Raptors have shown at
> times this year a penchant for playing well one night and wretchedly the
> next. Toronto
Star<http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/nba/raptors/article/724080--defens\
ive-breakdowns-need-to-stop-says-triano>
>
> Raptors: *"On the screen-roll, we have a tough time keeping guys in front of
> us," said
Triano<http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/nba/raptors/article/724080--defe\
nsive-breakdowns-need-to-stop-says-triano>
> *. "So we have to provide help and when we provide help, they kick for
> threes ... we have to do a better job closing out on threes." One of the
> many issues that arose in San Antonio, and one that's been part of Toronto's
> defensive problems so far, has been an inability to contain open shooters in
> the corner or on the perimeter. Toronto
>
Star<http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/nba/raptors/article/724080--defens\
ive-breakdowns-need-to-stop-says-triano>
>
> *Rookie center Hasheem Thabeet suffered a ridgeline fracture in his mandible
> -- a bone in his lower jaw -- when he appeared to collide with Zach
> Randolph's
head<http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/nov/11/grizzlies-postgame/>
> * going for a rebound late in the first quarter. Play was stopped with 57.4
> seconds remaining as Thabeet rolled around near the basket in obvious pain.
> He will not make the trip to Houston for the team's game against the Rockets
> tonight, but his status will be day-to-day after that. Memphis Commercial
> Appeal<http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/nov/11/grizzlies-postgame/>
>
> [image: nba rumors] In the city that gave us "Dewey defeats Truman" and
> penciled the Cubs in the 2003 World Series (before, of course, Bartman),
> here was the scene at the United Center on Tuesday night: the Bulls
> celebrating like, as Nuggets guard Chauncey Billups said, "they advanced to
> the Sweet 16" while the PA system played the song "Another One Bites the
> Dust." *Chicago's Brad Miller had splashed an improbable fadeaway basket at
> the buzzer, which proved to be, indeed, improbable. The Nuggets beat the
> Bulls 90-89 because Miller's shot wasn't released in
> time<http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_13759251>
> *. And the Nuggets, well, they John Dillinger-ed out of town with a road win
> in their gym bags. Denver Post<http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_13759251>
>
> *Brad Miller caught the pass inbounded with three-tenths of a second left in
> the game, and while the Bulls cheered, the three officials peered at a
> television monitor <http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_13759251>*,
> watching the shot over and over. Official Mark Wunderlich relayed through a
> Bulls PR representative that in a situation like that, it is a judgment
> call. And in that situation, the refs ruled that the ball was still touching
> Miller's fingertips when the clock hit zero. And so Denver won the
> nail-biter by, it seemed, a fingernail. Denver
> Post<http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_13759251>
>
> During the review process, a few Bulls continued to celebrate. *''Looking at
> the replay, to overrule it, how could you overrule it?'' Noah said. ''It was
> really close. I don't know. Just a tough loss, but we have to bounce back
> against Toronto.'' Miller left without
>
comment<http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/1877231,CST-SPT-bull11.a\
rticle>
> *. The Bulls (4-3) saw their three-game winning streak snapped. Derrick Rose
> had a team-high 22 points, Luol Deng added 21, and Noah had a career-high 21
> rebounds. Carmelo Anthony led the Nuggets with 20 points. Chicago
>
Sun-Times<http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/1877231,CST-SPT-bull11\
.article>
>
> [image: nba rumors] *"No, he didn't bother me," Durant said of Nocioni, who
> scored 16 points for the Kings in 35 minutes. "He tried to be physical and
> push me around, but he got me to the foul
> line<http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2318420.html>
> *, and I like those kinds of easy points. It was challenging. It was tough.
> He plays hard, but it didn't bother me at all." He's not just sitting around
> – Jon Brockman looks like a natural in the role of bench-warming buddy. At
> every break in the action, the rookie forward jumps out of his seat and
> high-fives teammates. You'd never know he's never played this role. Sacramento
> Bee <http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2318420.html>
>
> The Kings' attendance is still lagging. *After selling out only one of their
> first two home games as part of the Sellout 2009 initiative, the Kings had
> crowds of 11,751 and 10,760 in their following two home
> games<http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2318420.html>
> *. But Westphal said he's confident the fans will come out if the team
> continues to compete as it has recently. Sacramento
> Bee<http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2318420.html>
>
> Westphal believed before the season the Kings would be competitive and not
> give in. And in the last three games that's proven true. *"I think we're
> surprising many people in the NBA but not me," said Kings forward Andres
> Nocioni. "We've practiced really, really hard. We had a great training
> camp<http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2318412.html>
> *. I used to do the same thing when I first went to Chicago (in 2004-05). We
> went to training camp playing really hard, and we started the season 0-9,
> but we started to play really well and we ended up with 47 wins." Sacramento
> Bee <http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2318412.html>
>
> [image: Click
Here]<http://www.burstnet.com/ads/ad7559a-map.cgi/ns/v=2.3S/sz=120x600A|160x600A\
/>
> Kevin Durant had a chance to match James Harden's end-of-the-half
> 3-pointer.
> It wasn't to be. Playing catch-up most of the game, the Thunder dropped a
> 101-98 decision to the Sacramento Kings Tuesday night at Arco Arena. *Durant
> scored a season-high 37 points but his potential game-tying 28-foot shot
> clanged off the front of the rim at the
> buzzer<http://newsok.com//article/3416505>
> *. "When it left my hand it looked good," said Durant. "It was just a little
> short. Hopefully next time I hit it."
> Oklahoman<http://newsok.com//article/3416505>
>
> *It's remarkable the Thunder forced the announced crowd of 10,523 to stay to
> the last second considering the Kings shot 57.9 percent the first
> half<http://newsok.com//article/3416505>
> *, had five players score in double figures and out-rebounded OKC 51-36.
> "They've been playing well," Durant said. "They're playing hard and playing
> together. Give them all the credit. We fought back in the fourth but
> couldn't make some plays down the stretch."
> Oklahoman<http://newsok.com//article/3416505>
>
> The play Thunder fans watching the game on TV will remember weeks from now
> is *Harden's half-court, buzzer-beater at the end of the first half. "That's
> my first half-court shot ever," Harden said. Does he practice that shot?
> "No, not really," <http://newsok.com//article/3416505>* said Harden who
> scored nine points, all in the first half. "Sometimes when you're a kid you
> just throw the ball up from half court... The clock was running out. I just
> wanted to get a shot up." Oklahoman <http://newsok.com//article/3416505>
>
> *Spartak St Petersburg announced the signing of James
> White<http://thehoop.blogspot.com/2009/11/spartak-announced-james-white.html>
> * (2.01-SG/SF) via their official website. White comes to the aid of the
> ailing Russian team that hasn't managed to score a single victory yet in the
> first 4 games of the Russian Superleague. The
> Hoop<http://thehoop.blogspot.com/2009/11/spartak-announced-james-white.html>
>
> *Shaquille O'Neal's wife is splitting up with the Cleveland Cavaliers
>
center<http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/11/sports/AP-BKN-Shaquille-ONeal-\
Separation.html>
> *. Va'Shaundya O'Neal filed for legal separation with intent to divorce
> Monday in Los Angeles. She cited irreconcilable differences.
>
AP<http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/11/sports/AP-BKN-Shaquille-ONeal-Sepa\
ration.html>
>
> *Tony Parker and Tim Duncan, who missed the Toronto game while comparing
> sore left ankles, are listed as doubtful against
>
Dallas<http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Big_game_for_Manu_helps_ease_his\
_mind.html>
> *. That is never a pleasant injury report for the Spurs, but against the
> Mavs it could be even more crippling. Parker and Duncan were the only
> players to consistently produce in the Spurs' first-round playoff ouster
> against Dallas in April. Ginobili, meanwhile, didn't produce at all. He
> missed the five-game series with a stress fracture in his fibula, an injury
> that left him shelved the entire summer. San Antonio Express
>
News<http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Big_game_for_Manu_helps_ease_his_m\
ind.html>
>
> With the Spurs leading by eight and less than a minute to play, Ginobili
> took a 12-footer too early in the shot clock. For the first time in the
> fourth quarter, he missed. *At the next dead ball, Popovich gave Ginobili a
> lecture about the benefits of time management. "I was kind of hot, feeling
> really good about myself, and my defender fell," Ginobili said. "I thought
> it was going to be two easy
>
points."<http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Big_game_for_Manu_helps_ease_h\
is_mind.html>
> * Not much has come easy for Ginobili in his return from ankle oblivion. He
> is hopeful Monday's game can be the start of something bigger. San Antonio
> Express
News<http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Big_game_for_Manu_helps_ease_his_m\
ind.html>
>
> *With Blake Griffin sidelined by a fractured knee cap, Kings guard Tyreke
> Evans probably is the favorite for Rookie of the
>
Year<http://blog.newsok.com/nbainokc/2009/11/11/thunder-fails-to-seize-opportuni\
ty/>
> *. In the win over OKC, Evans scored 20 points, grabbed eight rebounds and
> dished out eight assists, not that far away from posting a triple double.
> It's the third straight game he's scored 20 or more points, the first Kings
> rookie to do that since Walt Williams 16 years ago. Oklahoman
>
Blog<http://blog.newsok.com/nbainokc/2009/11/11/thunder-fails-to-seize-opportuni\
ty/>
>
> *Orlando Magic fans who are stuck in the nosebleed seats can take heart: The
> team's new arena will boast the largest video screen scoreboard in the
>
NBA<http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-magic-arena-scoreboard-111109,0\
,2579101.story>
> *. The current Amway Arena's scoreboard hanging over center court has video
> screens to replay the action. But Magic execs say comparing those screens to
> the new ones is like comparing the fuzzy 19-inch television from your
> childhood to the latest big-screen high-def TV. "In simple terms, it's a
> much clearer and lifelike picture," Magic chief operating officer Alex
> Martins said Tuesday. "It's going to be the most fan-interactive technology
> in the world." Orlando
>
Sentinel<http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-magic-arena-scoreboard-111\
109,0,2579101.story>
>
> *"Come on, Danny!" a frustrated Granger yelled after he failed to make
> consecutive 3-pointers during a drill with assistant coach Frank
>
Vogel<http://www.indystar.com/article/20091111/SPORTS04/911110339/1088/SPORTS04>
> *. Later, after hitting five consecutive 3s, he missed from outside the key.
> "This spot is killing me," he said, walking back to the corner. And so the
> quest to rediscover his shooting touch continues. He hopes all the hard work
> in a desolate gym pays off, heading into tonight's game at Conseco
> Fieldhouse against the Golden State Warriors. Indianapolis
>
Star<http://www.indystar.com/article/20091111/SPORTS04/911110339/1088/SPORTS04>
>
> Granger still leads the Pacers in scoring (22.8 ppg), but he's missing more
> often than usual and acting like the 3-point line is a force field he can't
> break through. *More than half of his shots -- 51-of-93 -- have been behind
> the line. He leads the NBA in 3-point attempts per game at 10.2, but is
> making just 29 percent. "Honestly, I'm not worried about it. My shot won't
> disappear overnight," said
>
Granger<http://www.indystar.com/article/20091111/SPORTS04/911110339/1088/SPORTS0\
4>
> *, who is shooting 39 percent overall. "I don't think I'm in a funk or
> anything. I really don't." Indianapolis
>
Star<http://www.indystar.com/article/20091111/SPORTS04/911110339/1088/SPORTS04>
>
> *Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is being treated for a rare form of leukemia, and the
> basketball great said his prognosis is
>
encouraging<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_Abdul-Jabbar_fac\
ing_leukemia_treatment.html>
> *. The NBA's all-time leading scorer was diagnosed last December with
> chronic myeloid leukemia, he said on Monday. The 62-year-old Abdul-Jabbar
> said his doctor didn't give any guarantees, but informed him: "You have a
> very good chance to live your life out and not have to make any drastic
> changes to your lifestyle."
>
AP<http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091111_Abdul-Jabbar_facing_leuke\
mia_treatment.html>
>
> *ADDITIONAL RECENT NBA RUMORS*
>
> Today's NBA rumors <http://www.insidehoops.com/nba_rumors.shtml> | Yesterday's
> basketball rumors <http://www.insidehoops.com/basketball-rumors.shtml> | 2
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> days ago <http://www.insidehoops.com/basketball-rumors4.shtml>
> Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/nba_rumors.shtml#ixzz0WY44uqIl
>
Yesterday marked the 40th anniversary of Sesame Street (and also my daughter's first birthday). So I thought I'd honor the occasion with a fun post comparing current players to Sesame St. characters.
Big Bird - Paul Pierce: He's the leader and face of the show but he doesn't always have to be in charge. Sometimes indecisive but always bold and confident. (Note: I'm sticking with current C's, so Larry gets only a respectful nod here)
Snuffaluffagus - Kendrick Perkins: Obviously he's big as a tank and moves about like one sometimes. He can be intimidating but when you get to know him you see his softer side. He's also invisible to everyone but Big Bird, which speaks to Perk's just-now-growing reputation around the league (his teammates have known how good he is for years).
Grover - Kevin Garnett: He's always hyper, always talking, to the point where you can't even understand his ramblings. And when he gets real worked up, he runs around waving his long arms around yelling at everyone in sight. Basically a PG version of KG.
Oscar the Grouch - Rasheed Wallace: Goes without saying. He really likes his reputation of being mean and nasty but deep down you just know he's got a heart of gold.
The Count - Ray Allen: He's smooth, he's friendly, but there's just a hint of danger behind those eyes. And you can just picture him counting in his head "one, two, three, four, five 3-pointers! ah ah ahhhhhhh"
Cookie Monster - Glen Davis: Both love to eat (obviously) and both are kind of excitable at times but they always bring out a smile in everyone around them.
Elmo - Rajon Rondo: He's the new kid on the block but he's quickly taken the world by storm.
Bert & Ernie: Marquis Daniels & Eddie House: They are a duo now that Doc has paired them up in the backup PG & point forward roles. Daniels is more laid back while Eddie is more mischievous and gets everyone hyped up when he gets going.
Herry Monster - Shelden Williams: He's a minor character, but when he comes in, he does his job well. Also, he's a big monster but you can tell he's soft and cuddly.
Telly Monster - Brian Scalabrine: He's a big, kind hearted redhead that sometimes deals with insecurities but everyone loves him and tries to encourage him.
Gordon and Susan - Danny and Doc: They are the adult humans who let the kids (and monsters) be who they are without getting in the way, but they provide gentle instruction and guidance along the way. (hey, that rhymed)
Hope you have a sunny day today. Hug someone you love.
And a big thank you to all the vets who served this country - happy Veterans Day.
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11/9/09 - Plenty of fluctuation this week as some teams that were supposed to be good - don't look so good. The Cleveland Cavaliers have been far from dominant. Is there more going in Washington than just injuries? The Wizards' drop to 25 may be a bit severe but 11 may have been too high to begin with. Other teams are equally difficult to quantify like the 4-2 Chicago Bulls and the Tyreke Evans-led 3-3 Sacramento Kings. Are the Phoenix Suns and Miami HEAT this good? Meanwhile the Los Angeles Lakers had a perfect week despite Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol sidelined with minor injuries. The NBA two weeks in . . .
Kobe Bryant carries the Lakers through a perfect week including back-to-back overtime wins on the road in Oklahoma City and Houston. Three tough games on the schedule with the Suns in LA, a trip to Denver the following night and the Rockets on Sunday. Will the Lakers get Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol back for all three?
The Celtics had one slip against the Suns but are otherwise rolling. Paul Pierce is shooting 51.6% from three on 31 attempts. Rajon Rondo is dishing nine assists a night against two turnovers, while shooting 59.4% from the field.
Injuries are starting to hurt. In addition to the Rashard Lewis suspension, both Vince Carter and Ryan Anderson are sidelined (ankles) while Matt Barnes and Mickael Pietrus have been fighting the flu. At some point in the near future this team will be a 100% healthy and deadly.
The Nuggets ran out of steam against two surging Eastern squads but really the problem is Kenyon Martin. Denver just isn't the same without him (leg contusion).
The impressive Mavs get tested by Texas this week with the Rockets visiting on Tuesday - followed by a trek to San Antonio the following night. The four-seed seemed like a best case for Dallas this season but the West may be more open than originally thought.
The Suns don't have a lot of depth but their top six players have been fantastic - led by Steve Nash. Can they keep it up for 82 games? They just might.
This may be as low as they get in the rankings, they're better than their record. LeBron James averaging more boards a game (7.7) than Shaquille O'Neal (7.4).
Coach Nate McMillan surprises by starting Andre Miller - the Blazers win two straight. Where exactly the Blazers fit on the rankings still seems unsettled.
Five of the next six are on the road spread out over nine days. That's a tough schedule for the Rockets, arguably the best team (by the true nature of it's definition).
Chris Bosh and Andrea Bargnani are averaging a combined 49.2 points a game on 52.5% shooting. The pair rebounds well at 18.6 a night - but together just 2.6 assists?
Was there a concern about Louis Williams at the point in Philly? He's averaging 17.2 points on 52.6% shooting along with 5.2 assists and 0.8 turnovers.
Just when it looked like the Clippers might go 0-82, they turn it around with three straight wins. Western Conference Player of the Week Chris Kaman is averaging 23 points a game on 58.0% shooting along with 9.9 boards and 1.86 blocks.
So much for blending the newcomers with the veteran holdovers. Rip Hamilton (ankle) and Tayshaun Prince (back) are out. Then again, Ben Wallace appears to be rejuvenated.
Al Jefferson has improved to 39.6% from the field - not good. Also Jonny Flynn is a nice young point guard but the 3.2 assists against 3.3 turnovers is not a welcome sign.
If the Nets were actually fully healthy, they'd be better than 30 - but right now they're worthy of 30.
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11/9/09 - Plenty of fluctuation this week as some teams that were supposed to be good - don't look so good. The Cleveland Cavaliers have been far from dominant. Is there more going in Washington than just injuries? The Wizards' drop to 25 may be a bit severe but 11 may have been too high to begin with. Other teams are equally difficult to quantify like the 4-2 Chicago Bulls and the Tyreke Evans-led 3-3 Sacramento Kings. Are the Phoenix Suns and Miami HEAT this good? Meanwhile the Los Angeles Lakers had a perfect week despite Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol sidelined with minor injuries. The NBA two weeks in . . .
Kobe Bryant carries the Lakers through a perfect week including back-to-back overtime wins on the road in Oklahoma City and Houston. Three tough games on the schedule with the Suns in LA, a trip to Denver the following night and the Rockets on Sunday. Will the Lakers get Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol back for all three?
The Celtics had one slip against the Suns but are otherwise rolling. Paul Pierce is shooting 51.6% from three on 31 attempts. Rajon Rondo is dishing nine assists a night against two turnovers, while shooting 59.4% from the field.
Injuries are starting to hurt. In addition to the Rashard Lewis suspension, both Vince Carter and Ryan Anderson are sidelined (ankles) while Matt Barnes and Mickael Pietrus have been fighting the flu. At some point in the near future this team will be a 100% healthy and deadly.
The Nuggets ran out of steam against two surging Eastern squads but really the problem is Kenyon Martin. Denver just isn't the same without him (leg contusion).
The impressive Mavs get tested by Texas this week with the Rockets visiting on Tuesday - followed by a trek to San Antonio the following night. The four-seed seemed like a best case for Dallas this season but the West may be more open than originally thought.
The Suns don't have a lot of depth but their top six players have been fantastic - led by Steve Nash. Can they keep it up for 82 games? They just might.
This may be as low as they get in the rankings, they're better than their record. LeBron James averaging more boards a game (7.7) than Shaquille O'Neal (7.4).
Coach Nate McMillan surprises by starting Andre Miller - the Blazers win two straight. Where exactly the Blazers fit on the rankings still seems unsettled.
Five of the next six are on the road spread out over nine days. That's a tough schedule for the Rockets, arguably the best team (by the true nature of it's definition).
Chris Bosh and Andrea Bargnani are averaging a combined 49.2 points a game on 52.5% shooting. The pair rebounds well at 18.6 a night - but together just 2.6 assists?
Was there a concern about Louis Williams at the point in Philly? He's averaging 17.2 points on 52.6% shooting along with 5.2 assists and 0.8 turnovers.
Just when it looked like the Clippers might go 0-82, they turn it around with three straight wins. Western Conference Player of the Week Chris Kaman is averaging 23 points a game on 58.0% shooting along with 9.9 boards and 1.86 blocks.
So much for blending the newcomers with the veteran holdovers. Rip Hamilton (ankle) and Tayshaun Prince (back) are out. Then again, Ben Wallace appears to be rejuvenated.
Al Jefferson has improved to 39.6% from the field - not good. Also Jonny Flynn is a nice young point guard but the 3.2 assists against 3.3 turnovers is not a welcome sign.
If the Nets were actually fully healthy, they'd be better than 30 - but right now they're worthy of 30.
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I haven’t been as regular sending out my notification
e-mails – I’ll try to get back on that.
From:
Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of John S Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:28 AM To: Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] Re: Wolves
Hey , when the hell is the next Pincus
Power Rankings coming out ?
ps . I think if the Clips don't make the playoffs
you're supposed to be buying lunch
From:Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of T T Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:15 AM To: JB Cc: Celtics Stuff Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] Re: Wolves
Let
me try to understand this....Is this a bet between you and me or you and Eric?
If it is you and me then we should just work with the win predictions we each
had of the Wolves (30 vs 22), You also said 40 and 12, We'll throw those out.
If it is between you and Eric and includes the Clippers vs Wolves then 10-12
wins is more than a fair offer of a handicap, I guess. think the Clips
should (not will but should) be much better than that. I think I had them
around 37 wins.
Actually, shouldn't the winner just be the one who is the closest to being
correct in W/L prediction?
From: JB
<jb_celticsstuff@...> To: T T <tenaciousth@...> Cc: Celtics Stuff <Celticsstuffgroup@Yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:25:46 PM Subject: Re: Wolves
On
Nov 10, 2009, at 10:35 PM, T T wrote:
Yes, quoting said party
accurately is considered good journalism where I come from.
Ahem.....Are you trying to back out now?
"That would be the wolves predicted finish of
28 minus 12, which equals 16. Can the mighty Clips win 16 more games than the
lowly Wolves? "
(scratches head)......whaaaa?
Is that the new math? Speak plainly for my little
brain, please.
Where are you getting the 28 from and why minus
12?
**************
Lol! Not trying to back out..... a 12 win prediction was offered also,
with qualifications, that if everything went right, they could hit 30.
28 is where Pincus picked the Wolves in his power rankings, 12 the
Clippers. The difference between the two is 16.
I figure I should get some handicap..... what do you think is
fair? NBA.com had them at 19 & 29.
Clippers right now are without their 2 of their 3 best players –
leaving it all on the shoulders of Chris Kaman? Ugh – better revise
the prediction downward!
From:
Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of JB Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:59 AM To: T T Cc: Celtics Stuff Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] Re: Wolves
On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:14 AM, T T wrote:
Let
me try to understand this....Is this a bet between you and me or you and Eric?
If it is you and me then we should just work with
the win predictions we each had of the Wolves (30 vs 22), You also said 40 and
12, We'll throw those out.
If it is between you and Eric and includes the
Clippers vs Wolves then 10-12 wins is more than a fair offer of a handicap, I
guess. think the Clips should (not will but should) be much better than
that. I think I had them around 37 wins.
Actually, shouldn't the winner just be the one who
is the closest to being correct in W/L prediction?
**********
The
bet would be between you and I.... I was just throwing Eric's name around
because he (like yourself) was also high on the Clippers and gave us a bar of
sorts to gauge the handicap.
If
you will give me the Wolves +11 (which you stated above was fair) and you take
the Clippers we have a bet for dinner. Your foolishness (lauding the Clips)
against mine (fawning over the Wolves).
I'd
take you to dinner anytime anyway, but this is just a little bellicose (you
know how I love to bellow) diversion on the path to banner 18. ;>)
Let me try to understand this....Is this a bet between you and me or you and Eric?
If it is you and me then we should just work with the win predictions we each had of the Wolves (30 vs 22), You also said 40 and 12, We'll throw those out.
If it is between you and Eric and includes the Clippers vs Wolves then 10-12 wins is more than a fair offer of a handicap, I guess. think the Clips should (not will but should) be much better than that. I think I had them around 37 wins.
Actually, shouldn't the winner just be the one who is the closest to being correct in W/L prediction?
**********
The bet would be between you and I.... I was just throwing Eric's name around because he (like yourself) was also high on the Clippers and gave us a bar of sorts to gauge the handicap.
If you will give me the Wolves +11 (which you stated above was fair) and you take the Clippers we have a bet for dinner. Your foolishness (lauding the Clips) against mine (fawning over the Wolves).
I'd take you to dinner anytime anyway, but this is just a little bellicose (you know how I love to bellow) diversion on the path to banner 18. ;>)
They were the only team in the NBA to play eight games in the first 12 days of the season.
By the end of that grueling stretch, the Boston Celtics were looking a little weary, playing three straight subpar games.
They barely got past the Minnesota Timberwolves last Wednesday night, lost at home to the Phoenix Suns on Friday night and needed a strong fourth quarter to get past a New Jersey Nets team with eight healthy players on Saturday night.
The Celtics were a team in need of an early-season pit stop, and they got that with three straight days off. They had a day away from basketball on Sunday and practiced the past two days in preparation of a favorable schedule dominated by home games the next 17 days.
“It was good to have a couple of days,’’ said Coach Doc Rivers following practice on Tuesday afternoon. “The day of rest was good and the two practices were good for us.
“The good news is we get these eight (games) out of the way, we get these two practices, a game, another practice, two games and we have three more days. We have a chance to kind of build our team now, which is good.’’
The Celtics, off to a 7-1 start, host the Utah Jazz tonight at the TD Garden (7:35, TV: Comcast SportsNet; radio: WEEI-AM), beginning a stretch in which they play six of eight games at home.
Although they lost only once in the first eight games, the Celtics keep reminding themselves of the lone loss when they allowed 110 points on 50 percent shooting to the Suns.
“It’s hard to be disappointed with 7-1,’’ Ray Allen said. “Obviously, we’d like to be 8-0 right now. That’s the standard that we’ve set for ourselves. It seems as though in this break the last three days we were all disappointed with the one game that we lost.
“That’s how we practiced, like that was the game we wanted to build on and get better off of. That’s kind of what we focused on. The games we won, we played well. When you play well, you have a tendency not to learn anything as much as you do when you play and lose a game.’’
Working on the defense that had problems against the Timberwolves and Suns was a top priority the past two days.
“We’ve gotten back to practice, refined some things,’’ Paul Pierce said. “We had a difficult schedule with eight games in 12 nights. We got a little bit of rest and fine-tuned a number of things that we struggled with in the last three games. Hopefully, we can take care of business.
“It’s just little things. We had some slippage and allowed teams to shoot over 50 percent and score 100 points. That’s something the Boston Celtics just don’t do. We’re a defensive-minded group. We’ve got to get our pick-and-roll coverage back to where it needs to be and offensive execution.
“We’re still building. It’s still a process and we still have a ways to go to be where we want to be.’’
The Jazz have won two straight games after a 1-4 start and will be playing the second game on a four-game trip.
Jerry Sloan, the longest tenured coach in the United States, will be making his annual visit to Boston with the Jazz. Sloan took over the Jazz in 1988.
Asked if he could envision coaching as long as Sloan has, Rivers said, “I love coaching, absolutely love it, but I can’t imagine coaching as long as he’s done and being as successful as he has been. I can’t imagine all the years and the players. He’s seen a lot of things in his time.’’
Stars come out
Voting for the NBA All-Star team began on Tuesday, and the Celtics have six players on the ballot – Kevin Garnett, Pierce, Allen, Rasheed Wallace, Rajon Rondo and Kendrick Perkins. This year’s game is Feb. 14 at Cowboys Stadium in Dallas. The NBA is allowing fans to vote by text messaging for the first time. Fans can vote once per day, per phone number, by texting a player’s last name to 6-9-6-2-2 (MYNBA). Voting can also be done by paper ballot at each arena and online at www.nba.com.
There are 60 players per conference on the ballot. Fans can vote for two forwards, two guards and a center. Voting continues through Jan. 10 for paper ballots and Jan. 18 for electronic voting. Starters will be announced Jan. 21.
Around the rim
Brian Scalabrine, who has back spasms, could miss all three games this week, according to Rivers. Scalabrine sat out last Friday’s loss to the Suns and played 21 minutes in New Jersey Saturday but did not practice the past two days. … The two point guards for the Jazz did not practice with the team in Boston on Tuesday. Starter Deron Williams is listed as a game-time decision tonight due to lower back pain and a left shin ailment while backup Ronnie Price is questionable due to a sprained toe.
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After opening their regular season with eight games in their first 12 days, the Celtics have enjoyed three full days of rest at home in Boston. But the rest is over, and instead of basking in their 7-1 record, it's time for the C's to defend it.
On Wednesday night, they host the Utah Jazz, who lost three of four last week and barely emerged with a victory Monday night over the host Knicks. Boston won't be the easiest place for the Jazz to turn things around.
When and Where
Wednesday, Nov. 11, 7:30 p.m. ET (CSNE) TD Garden, Boston, Mass
Records
Celtics (7-1, 1st place in Atlantic Division) Jazz (3-4, 4th place in Northwest Division)
Head To Head
The Celtics and Jazz split two games last season, with the home team winning each time. The C's took the first meeting 100-91 at the Garden with all five starters scoring in double figures, but the Jazz beat Boston 90-85 in Utah.
Skinny
This Jazz team is built around two cornerstones, point guard Deron Williams and sixth-man forward Paul Millsap, each contractually locked in through 2012. But this is a contract year for their star big man, Carlos Boozer, making it a big season for a Jazz franchise that hasn't made the NBA Finals since the days of John Stockton and Karl Malone.
Projected Starters
Celtics
Point guard: Rajon Rondo Shooting guard: Ray Allen Small forward: Paul Pierce Power forward: Kevin Garnett Center: Kendrick Perkins
Jazz
Point guard: Deron Williams Shooting guard: Ronnie Brewer Small forward: Andrei Kirilenko Power forward: Carlos Boozer Center: Mehmet Okur
Stat Sheet
Celtics
The Celtics are beating their opponents by an average of 14.1 points per game.
They are 3-1 at home.
Rajon Rondo leads the NBA with 25 steals.
Kendrick Perkins is second with 19 blocks.
Rasheed Wallace is third in the NBA with 50 three-pointers attempted.
Paul Pierce is averaging 18.8 points per game, his lowest since the 1999-2000 season.
Ray Allen is on pace for his lowest scoring output since his rookie year. He has 14.8 points per game.
Kevin Garnett is averaging a double-double against the Jazz in his career, 19.2 points and 10.0 rebounds.
Jazz
The Jazz are 1-2 on the road this season.
They've attempted just 84 three-pointers this season, second-fewest in the NBA.
Deron Williams ranks second in the NBA with 10.7 rebounds per game.
Carlos Boozer ranks third with 11.6 rebounds per game.
Mehmet Okur is 14-for-15 from the free-throw line this season.
Andrei Kirilenko is averaging 2.4 blocks per game against the Celtics in his career.
Paul Millsap is averaging 12.7 points and 6.7 rebounds against Boston.
Black and Blue
Celtics
Brian Scalabrine is experiencing back spasms. He is doubtful for Wednesday's game.
Tony Allen is out indefinitely with an ankle injury.
Glen Davis is out for two months with a broken thumb.
Jazz
Deron Williams missed practice Tuesday in Boston with soreness in his left shin and lower back. He'll be a game-time decision Wednesday.
Matt Harpring is out indefinitely with a right ankle injury.
Kyle Korver underwent knee surgery last month. He is targeting a return date of mid-December.
This Date in Celtics History
In 1953, Bob Cousy started a brawl with Philadelphia center Neil Johnston in the middle of a 78-72 loss to the 76ers at the old Boston Garden. Boston police had to intervene to break up the melee.
Overheard
"We won -- there was no need for me to go back in. Eddie [House] was doing a great job running the team, so there was no need for me to go back in. It was a close game as well. It wasn’t like it was a blowout. I didn’t play in the fourth, but it shows how deep we are as a team." --Rajon Rondo, in The Boston Globe, on sitting out the entire fourth quarter of the C's 86-76 win over the Nets on Saturday night
If the Celtics can go 7-1 over the course of a 12-game grind, there's no telling how good they'll be after three days of rest. The C's will be refreshed, energetic and ready to become the first eight-game winners in the NBA this season. That's not good news for a Utah team that's under .500 and looking to get back on track. It could be a rough East Coast road trip for these Jazz.
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I'm not sure. But I think that JB's trying to rope you in, too.
I'm not quite sure except I know he wants to stir the pot somehow.
--- In Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com, Eric Pincus <Eric@...> wrote:
>
> So wait - I'm involved here how? :)
>
> From: Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of T T
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:15 AM
> To: JB
> Cc: Celtics Stuff
> Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] Re: Wolves
>
> Let me try to understand this....Is this a bet between you and me or you and
Eric?
>
> If it is you and me then we should just work with the win predictions we each
had of the Wolves (30 vs 22), You also said 40 and 12, We'll throw those out.
>
> If it is between you and Eric and includes the Clippers vs Wolves then 10-12
wins is more than a fair offer of a handicap, I guess. think the Clips should
(not will but should) be much better than that. I think I had them around 37
wins.
>
> Actually, shouldn't the winner just be the one who is the closest to being
correct in W/L prediction?
>
> ________________________________
> From: JB <jb_celticsstuff@...>
> To: T T <tenaciousth@...>
> Cc: Celtics Stuff <Celticsstuffgroup@...>
> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:25:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Wolves
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:35 PM, T T wrote:
>
>
> Yes, quoting said party accurately is considered good journalism where I come
from.
>
> Ahem.....Are you trying to back out now?
>
> "That would be the wolves predicted finish of 28 minus 12, which equals 16.
Can the mighty Clips win 16 more games than the lowly Wolves? "
>
> (scratches head)......whaaaa?
>
> Is that the new math? Speak plainly for my little brain, please.
>
> Where are you getting the 28 from and why minus 12?
>
> **************
>
> Lol! Not trying to back out..... a 12 win prediction was offered
also, with qualifications, that if everything went right, they could hit 30.
> 28 is where Pincus picked the Wolves in his power rankings, 12 the
Clippers. The difference between the two is 16.
> I figure I should get some handicap..... what do you think is
fair? NBA.com had them at 19 & 29.
>
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/powerrankings/10/26/preseason/index.html
> I'll take the 10......what do you say? Minnesota +10 against the
Clippers' season win total. A tie is a push and we each pay for our own meal.
;>)
>
>
>
> JB
>
> [cid:image001.gif@...]
>
> Yes Indeed!
>
The natural inclination when analyzing the Boston Celtics' next opponent is to look for intriguing positional matchups. When the Utah Jazz visit the TD Garden on Wednesday night, it's impossible to ignore the potential point guard battle between Rajon Rondo and Deron Williams, two of the elite young floor generals in the NBA.
But in Boston's first eight games of the season, it seems like the point guard position has been spotlighted each time. Rondo vs. Chris Paul. Rondo vs. Steve Nash. Rondo vs. Derrick Rose. The challenges have never quite let up for Boston's 23-year-old point guard.
Celtics coach Doc Rivers says that's an indication of how special that position has become in the NBA. While noting the small forward position has historically been the position of strength, it's clear the point guard is evolving.
"The point guard spot is so strong now, it's become a tough spot, kind of like how the center spot used to be years ago with Hakeem [Olajuwon] and Kareem [Abdul-Jabbar]," Rivers said. "The 3 spot has been tough throughout basketball; that spot has never let up."
Indeed, from John Havlicek to Larry Bird to Paul Pierce, you can trace that position's strength in Boston alone. It's also home to the best player in the NBA now in LeBron James. But Rivers, a point guard during his playing days, has seen the position make strides in recent years and it's now home to some of the most well-rounded players in the game.
The Jazz's Williams is averaging 21.4 points, 10.7 assists, and 4.9 rebounds per game. The third overall pick in the 2005 draft, he can both score and distribute, and is already considered among the top guards in the league. The Celtics could catch a break as Williams is nursing a bruised right calf suffered in Monday's 95-93 win over the New York Knicks. He did not participate in Tuesday's practice and will be a game-time decision Wednesday.
To Rivers, Williams is an indication of how the point guard spot has evolved with an emphasis on both scoring and distributing the ball.
"It's a very positive trend," Rivers said. "You can have a scoring point that knows how to play the point. There was a stretch where there were scoring points that didn't know how to play point guard ... I thought everyone's offense struggled for a while."
Rivers noted that Williams makes the Jazz a tough team to defend.
"Deron Williams jumps out at you for sure," Rivers said. "They're a tough team to defend, because they do what we do -- put their 5 [center Mehmet Okur] behind the 3-point line. Then they have a power guard in Deron, which makes it even tougher, because he has the ability to go the post, or take you off the dribble, and physically take you down to the post. Then they pop Okur behind the 3-point line. It's a [problem]. They present a lot of problems."
Talent hasn't always translated into wins for the Jazz, one of the league's most puzzling squads. Utah is off to a 3-4 start this season, after posting a 48-34 mark last season and sneaking into the playoffs as the eighth seed in the West. The Jazz were summarily bounced in the opening round by the Los Angeles Lakers.
The Jazz have four potential All-Stars -- the NBA All-Star ballot released Tuesday confirms as much -- in Williams, Okur (15.3 points, 7.7 rebounds per game), Carlos Boozer (16.7 points, 11.6 rebounds per game), and Andrei Kirilenko (13.7 points, 4.7 rebounds, 3.9 assists per game). Ronnie Brewer is the other starter in double figures, while reserve Paul Millsap has plenty of scoring potential, as he demonstrated by erupting for 32 points in a loss in Boston last season.
But how inconsistent are the Jazz? Putting back-to-back wins together has been nearly impossible as Utah hasn't won consecutive games since March 28-30 of last season (a stretch of 16 games). Some of that trouble lies on defense, where the Jazz are giving up 102.4 points per game this season, while opponents are shooting 41.7 percent from behind the 3-point line (fourth worst in the league).
Coming off a win over New York, those back-to-back stats are not exactly in Utah's favor. But the Jazz have won four of the past six meetings against Boston, including two of the past three at the Garden.
Said Celtics captain Paul Pierce: "Utah always plays us tough in this building; I don't remember the last time we beat them twice in once year."
You'd have to go back to the 2005-06 season for the last series sweep by the Celtics. Boston did win last year's meeting here, 100-91, when Rondo went off for 25 points to pace all five Celtics starters in double figures.
Pierce knows Boston can't rely on stats or trends to assure a win.
"We expect those guys to come in here and give us a battle," Pierce said. "We know it won't be easy. Despite their record, they still have three All-Stars on the court. We've got to be ready. I'm glad we have a few days where we can rest up and go over things so we'll be ready."
A weary Celtics team limped to the end of a stretch that saw them play eight games in 12 days to start the 2009-10 season. After taking Sunday off, the team held its first back-to-back practices of the season to start this week and is hoping fresh legs will return Wednesday as the Celtics begin a stretch of three games in four days.
Chris Forsberg is a roving reporter for ESPNBoston.com. Follow him on Twitter.
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From:Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of T T Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:15 AM To: JB Cc: Celtics Stuff Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] Re: Wolves
Let me try to understand this....Is this a bet between you and me or you and Eric?
If it is you and me then we should just work with the win predictions we each had of the Wolves (30 vs 22), You also said 40 and 12, We'll throw those out.
If it is between you and Eric and includes the Clippers vs Wolves then 10-12 wins is more than a fair offer of a handicap, I guess. think the Clips should (not will but should) be much better than that. I think I had them around 37 wins.
Actually, shouldn't the winner just be the one who is the closest to being correct in W/L prediction?
From: JB <jb_celticsstuff@...> To: T T <tenaciousth@...> Cc: Celtics Stuff <Celticsstuffgroup@Yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:25:46 PM Subject: Re: Wolves
On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:35 PM, T T wrote:
Yes, quoting said party accurately is considered good journalism where I come from.
Ahem.....Are you trying to back out now?
"That would be the wolves predicted finish of 28 minus 12, which equals 16. Can the mighty Clips win 16 more games than the lowly Wolves? "
(scratches head)......whaaaa?
Is that the new math? Speak plainly for my little brain, please.
Where are you getting the 28 from and why minus 12?
**************
Lol! Not trying to back out..... a 12 win prediction was offered also, with qualifications, that if everything went right, they could hit 30.
28 is where Pincus picked the Wolves in his power rankings, 12 the Clippers. The difference between the two is 16.
I figure I should get some handicap..... what do you think is fair? NBA.com had them at 19 & 29.
I'll take the 10......what do you say? Minnesota +10 against the Clippers' season win total. A tie is a push and we each pay for our own meal. ;>)
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From:
Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of T T Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:15 AM To: JB Cc: Celtics Stuff Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] Re: Wolves
Let me try to understand this....Is this a bet between you
and me or you and Eric?
If it is you and me then we should just work with the win predictions we each
had of the Wolves (30 vs 22), You also said 40 and 12, We'll throw those out.
If it is between you and Eric and includes the Clippers vs Wolves then 10-12
wins is more than a fair offer of a handicap, I guess. think the Clips
should (not will but should) be much better than that. I think I had them
around 37 wins.
Actually, shouldn't the winner just be the one who is the closest to being
correct in W/L prediction?
From: JB <jb_celticsstuff@...> To: T T <tenaciousth@...> Cc: Celtics Stuff <Celticsstuffgroup@Yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:25:46 PM Subject: Re: Wolves
On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:35 PM, T T wrote:
Yes,
quoting said party accurately is considered good journalism where I come from.
Ahem.....Are you trying to back out now?
"That would be the wolves predicted finish of
28 minus 12, which equals 16. Can the mighty Clips win 16 more games than the
lowly Wolves? "
(scratches head)......whaaaa?
Is that the new math? Speak plainly for my little
brain, please.
Where are you getting the 28 from and why minus
12?
**************
Lol!
Not trying to back out..... a 12 win prediction was offered also, with
qualifications, that if everything went right, they could hit 30.
28
is where Pincus picked the Wolves in his power rankings, 12 the Clippers. The
difference between the two is 16.
I
figure I should get some handicap..... what do you think is fair?
NBA.com had them at 19 & 29.
Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] Predicting a Mediocre Future
The deal to bring Lebron to Boston will fix all of that.
From: John S <js33@...> To: celticsstuff <Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 6:18:55 AM Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] Predicting a Mediocre Future
In something that strikes me as equal parts fascinating, extremely relevant and wildly reckless, John Hollinger and Chad Ford have combined to create a sort of Future Power Rankings for the 30 NBA teams. They have rated the teams based on how they project them to perform from next season (2010-11) through 2012-13—a three-year span.
The Celtics rank 12th. Welcome to the future. My advice: Enjoy the present.
Relevant excerpt (Insider only):
With the exception of Rondo and role players Kendrick Perkins and Glen Davis, the team is devoid of young talent that can build a bridge to the future. That explains why the Celtics are ranked just 17th in the players category, based on the how the current roster will look over the next few years.
My reaction is that Hollinger and Ford basically have the C’s pegged correctly. But…
One major trade could blow these entire rankings apart. As we’ve written before, the Rajon Rondo extension essentially locks the Celtics in with the current core roster for at least the the 2010-11 season, and likely longer, depending on the length of the extension/s the team give Ray Allen (a free agent after this season) and Paul Pierce (can opt out after this season; unrestricted free agent after 2011, barring an extension between now and then).
And KG’s current deal runs through 2012. One could look at all of this information and say the Hollinger/Ford rankings include the two last seasons of the Allen/KG/Pierce core and a third season that represents the C’s unknown future. And you might be right.
But a lot can change between now and 2012. You can bet Danny Ainge and Co. are thinking ahead to 2012-13 already. They do not want to repeat the mistakes of the late 1980s/early 1990s and cling too long to past glories. Is it unreasonable/ blasphemous to think that if Ainge finds an aging C’s team unable to truly contend in 2011-12, he’ll look hard at flipping one of the Big Three (I think it’s safe to assume at least two will have expiring deals that season) to some contender willing to give the C’s a promising young piece and a first-round pick in return?
This is precisely what Portland reportedly thought about doing last season, when they (reportedly) discussed dealing some of the team’s young core for Vince Carter.
What Hollinger and Ford have done is pretty amazing, when you think about it. It shows a deep understanding of the league, its teams, its collective bargaining agreement and its salary structure. To attempt a Future Rankings is equal parts folly and courage (and, I would suppose, pretty damn fun).
But so much can change in an instant. Injuries could decimate this year’s Celtics team, and Ainge could decide to deal Ray Allen’s expiring contract to, say, Utah, in exchange for Paul Millsap, the expiring deals of Kyle Korver and Matt Harpring and a draft pick. (I’m completely making that up. See how easy it is?).
Yes, the C’s appear locked into an aging core lacking upside. But the NBA is unpredictable.
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Let me try to understand this....Is this a bet between you and me or you and Eric?
If it is you and me then we should just work with the win predictions we each had of the Wolves (30 vs 22), You also said 40 and 12, We'll throw those out.
If it is between you and Eric and includes the Clippers vs Wolves then 10-12 wins is more than a fair offer of a handicap, I guess. think the Clips should (not will but should) be much better than that. I think I had them around 37 wins.
Actually, shouldn't the winner just be the one who is the closest to being correct in W/L prediction?
From: JB <jb_celticsstuff@...> To: T T <tenaciousth@...> Cc: Celtics Stuff <Celticsstuffgroup@Yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:25:46 PM Subject: Re: Wolves
On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:35 PM, T T wrote:
Yes, quoting said party accurately is considered good journalism where I come from.
Ahem.....Are you trying to back out now?
"That would be the wolves predicted finish of 28 minus 12, which equals 16. Can the mighty Clips win 16 more games than the lowly Wolves? "
(scratches head)......whaaaa?
Is that the new math? Speak plainly for my little brain,
please.
Where are you getting the 28 from and why minus 12?
**************
Lol! Not trying to back out..... a 12 win prediction was offered also, with qualifications, that if everything went right, they could hit 30.
28 is where Pincus picked the Wolves in his power rankings, 12 the Clippers. The difference between the two is 16.
I figure I should get some handicap..... what do you think is fair? NBA.com had them at 19 & 29.
The deal to bring Lebron to Boston will fix all of that.
From: John S <js33@...> To: celticsstuff <Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 6:18:55 AM Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] Predicting a Mediocre Future
In something that strikes me as equal parts fascinating, extremely relevant and wildly reckless, John Hollinger and Chad Ford have combined to create a sort of Future Power Rankings for the 30 NBA teams. They have rated the teams based on how they project them to perform from next season (2010-11) through 2012-13—a three-year span.
The Celtics rank 12th. Welcome to the future. My advice: Enjoy the present.
Relevant excerpt (Insider only):
With the exception of Rondo and role players Kendrick Perkins and Glen Davis, the team is devoid of young talent that can build a bridge to the future. That explains why the Celtics are ranked just 17th in the players category, based on the how the current roster will look over the next few years.
My reaction is that Hollinger and Ford basically have the C’s pegged correctly. But…
One major trade could blow these entire rankings apart. As we’ve written before, the Rajon Rondo extension essentially locks the Celtics in with the current core roster for at least the the 2010-11 season, and likely longer, depending on the length of the extension/s the team give Ray Allen (a free agent after this season) and Paul Pierce (can opt out after this season; unrestricted free agent after 2011, barring an extension between now and then).
And KG’s current deal runs through 2012. One could look at all of this information and say the Hollinger/Ford rankings include the two last seasons of the Allen/KG/Pierce core and a third season that represents the C’s unknown future. And you might be right.
But a lot can change between now and 2012. You can bet Danny Ainge and Co. are thinking ahead to 2012-13 already. They do not want to repeat the mistakes of the late 1980s/early 1990s and cling too long to past glories. Is it unreasonable/ blasphemous to think that if Ainge finds an aging C’s team unable to truly contend in 2011-12, he’ll look hard at flipping one of the Big Three (I think it’s safe to assume at least two will have expiring deals that season) to some contender willing to give the C’s a promising young piece and a first-round pick in return?
This is precisely what Portland reportedly thought about doing last season, when they (reportedly) discussed dealing some of the team’s young core for Vince Carter.
What Hollinger and Ford have done is pretty amazing, when you think about it. It shows a deep understanding of the league, its teams, its collective bargaining agreement and its salary structure. To attempt a Future Rankings is equal parts folly and courage (and, I would suppose, pretty damn fun).
But so much can change in an instant. Injuries could decimate this year’s Celtics team, and Ainge could decide to deal Ray Allen’s expiring contract to, say, Utah, in exchange for Paul Millsap, the expiring deals of Kyle Korver and Matt Harpring and a draft pick. (I’m completely making that up. See how easy it is?).
Yes, the C’s appear locked into an aging core lacking upside. But the NBA is unpredictable.
Deron Williams makes his annual visit to the Garden tonight, and the Utah Jazz point guard poses the toughest matchup problem for Rajon Rondo [stats].
Williams is not only big, physical and capable of hitting the 3-pointer, like New Orleans’ Chris Paul he’s also at the head of the wave of young point guards who are, in every sense of the word, playmakers.
They set teammates up before themselves. The age of the so-called scoring point guard, at least for now, appears to be waning in the NBA.
“This year it’s every night,” Rondo said yesterday of how frequently he faces opponents in his own mold. “Last year it was a lot, too, but now it’s even more.”
Newcomers like Minnesota’s Jonny Flynn and Denver’s Ty Lawson are merely filling out the ranks.
“Teams are running a lot of offense through their point guards - they’re going with maybe 40 or 50 pick-and-rolls per game,” Rondo said. “That’s what we’ve faced a lot more of lately.
“We try to get Kevin (Garnett) and Rasheed (Wallace) back into the box as quickly as possible against the other team’s bigs because of that.”
On the other end of the spectrum is Allen Iverson [stats], the personification of a scoring point guard, and a player now considering retirement because of his reserve role in Memphis.
“I look at it as a positive trend,” Celtics [team stats] coach Doc Rivers said of this new wave of playmakers. “There was a time in this league when you had a lot of scoring points who weren’t even trying to hide what they were out there to do. It was all about scoring.”cw0cw0
Another kind of player is now getting that attention.
“He’s one of the best point guards in the league,” Paul Pierce [stats] said of Williams. “He’s been snubbed two or three times from the All-Star Game. Maybe this will be the year that he makes it.”
Said Rivers: “(Williams is) another great point guard who presents all kind of problems for you. He’s Rasheed, drawing you out there because he can hit the 3.”
Walker practices
Bill Walker, who is recovering from his fourth knee surgery, ran through his second full practice.
“He looked OK,” Rivers said. “The battle right now for him is to just get back into condition, and to get his timing back. It takes time.”
The process also can be maddening for the player attempting to recover.
“It’s gonna be tough, but that’s a lesson I’ve had to learn all my life,” Walker said. “I think my timing is actually good, but now it’s the conditioning that I have to deal with. Getting my body back to where it has to be is the most important thing.
“It’s just good to be back playing basketball. But it’s been tough, man. At the start of the season I wanted to show Doc that I was ready to step in and help the team, and then on the first day of training camp this happened.”
Scal out
Brian Scalabrine, still recovering from back spasms, didn’t practice. And the big forward’s situation apparently is bad enough that Rivers ruled him out of any activity for the next week. . . .
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s announcement that he is suffering from a rare form of leukemia caught Rivers by surprise.
“I hadn’t heard about it, but that’s obviously sad,” said the Celtics coach. “You just hope that things work out for him.” . . .
Six Celtics were placed on the All-Star ballot: Rondo, Pierce, Garnett, Wallace, Ray Allen and Kendrick Perkins [stats].