We recieved 2 #2 one last year which turned out to be hunter and i
belive Sac #2 in 2005 or 6 for a player who was playing well
overseas but did not fit into Ainges plan because we had Walker
Baker Eric Williams finding mins at 4 spot and we decided to go
another way a better rebound type who is more moble then DS i was
the biggest fan of DS if anyone remembers but i have to admit i like
hunter in our system much better then DS. He has much more upside
then DS in my opinion.
Go C's

--- In Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com, CeltsSteve@a... wrote:
> Someone/anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the
C's use
> the second round pick they got from the Kings in exchange for
Songalia to turn
> around and draft Hunter? If so, stating that the C's
received "virtually
> nothing" is either completely incorrect (intentional?) or a
backhanded swipe at
> Hunter.
>
>
>
> PRO BASKETBALL NOTES
>
> O'Brien took a page from Van Gundy book
>
> By Peter May, Globe Staff, 2/1/2004
>
>
>
> He, too, had had enough. Nineteen games into the 2001-02 season,
with his
> team sporting a 10-9 record, Jeff Van Gundy resigned as coach of
the New York
> Knicks. He sensed a lack of support at the top and simply decided
it was time,
> much as Jim O'Brien decided it was time last Tuesday.
>  
> "Every coach-management [dispute] is based on expectations: win-
loss, how
> you're playing, who you're playing," said Van Gundy, who sat out
the rest of the
> 2001-02 season and all of last season before ending up in Houston
with the
> Rockets. "It's inevitable, unfortunately. That's how it is.
Unfortunately,
> sometimes, it's just time. Whether it's them deciding or you
deciding. When it's
> time, there's no good time, but you know it."
>
> It's hard to get to that place where you know what's best. It
should set you
> free to coach your own way. But if anyone tries to sell you on
rebuilding, you
> know it's all a lie. They're telling you, `This is what we're
gonna do, and
> when we need a sacrificial lamb, we're going to fire you and hire
someone
> else.' So you coach to your personality and beliefs, you try to do
the best job you
> can."
>
> That is what O'Brien did, but he simply stopped when he realized
he was not
> going to get blood out of a stone. The shocker about Van Gundy was
that few, if
> anyone, saw it coming and, at the time, it was thought that the
Knicks were a
> decent team. They basically went into a free fall after he left
and still
> haven't recovered.
>
> Van Gundy had nothing but bonbons for O'Brien.
>
> "If you look back over the last three years, I don't think anybody
did a
> better job than Jim O'Brien of coaching his team," Van Gundy
said. "Your job as a
> coach is to get the most out of your team, and there's no doubt he
got the
> most out of that team."
>
> He also could empathize with what led O'Brien to cut his ties with
the team.
> O'Brien had been with the Celtics for nearly seven years. Van
Gundy had been
> in New York for more than 13 years, the first half of that as an
assistant.
>
> "It's hard, but I do think everybody knows when it's time for
change, in any
> profession," he said. "For whatever reason, when management fires
you, it's
> OK. But when you change and walk away, it's looked upon
differently. There's a
> stigma out there of being a quitter, and that is difficult to deal
with. What
> holds you until it's really, really time is the camaraderie with
the coaches
> and players. They're the only ones who truly understand."
>
> What can O'Brien look forward to? Other than, eventually, another
NBA
> coaching gig? Van Gundy said it was very difficult at first, but
eventually he began
> to really enjoy his non-coaching life. He stayed in touch with the
NBA by
> doing some television work and eventually had a lot of options, as
O'Brien surely
> will.
>
> "It was very hard for the first three months," he said. "The next
15 months
> were utter happiness, working one day a week, six months a year. I
had to go
> somewhere and say, `Good pass, nice job,' and got paid for it. I
loved the
> absolute freedom. The one thing about coaching: It keeps you alive
and kills you at
> the same time because you're driven on the result."
>
> Unlike O'Brien, Van Gundy was not free to go somewhere else
immediately. He
> resigned, but the Knicks still held his rights until his contract
expired.
> O'Brien has no such limitations.
>
> But there always is a sense of mystery around these things. The
last two
> coaches of the Celtics resigned in the month of January and
together left about
> $28 million on the table. Van Gundy left a substantial sum on the
table in New
> York.
>
> "If you're not willing to explain every detail as to why you left,
you have
> to live with the judgments of others," Van Gundy said. "I know I
did. I wasn't
> willing to go into every detail and I live with those judgments,
still
> realizing in my heart I made the right decision.
>
> "For most of us, we haven't done anything else. A coaching day has
a rhythm
> and a life unto itself. When you don't have a place to go to
anymore, there's a
> sense of loneliness you go through for a couple of months. But
once you find
> your niche and reenter the real world, for me, that was very, very
good. I
> enjoyed not having that pit in my stomach throughout the day,
every day."
>
> Star points
>
> These things happen when fans choose starters for the All-Star
Game. Tracy
> McGrady, an undeniable star but a star on a team that lost 19
straight games and
> has the worst record in the league, is named a starter. Allen
Iverson,
> another unquestioned star, is also starting. His team wouldn't
make the playoffs if
> the season ended today. But the fans control these things.
>
> Even Yao Ming knows it is silly that he ended up starting over
Shaquille
> O'Neal, especially since the game will be at Staples Center. "If
everybody looks
> at ability," Yao said, "it's pretty obvious who should be
starting."
>
> OK, here's the way the All-Star rosters might shape up for the
Feb. 15 game
> in Los Angeles. Reserves are picked using the NBA formula of two
forwards, two
> guards, one center, and two players regardless of position.
Starters selected
> by the fans are marked with an asterisk.
>
> EASTERN CONFERENCE
>
> CENTER: *Ben Wallace, Detroit; Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland.
>
> FORWARD: *Vince Carter, Toronto; *Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana; Ron
Artest,
> Indiana; Kenyon Martin, New Jersey.
>
> GUARDS: *Tracy McGrady, Orlando; *Allen Iverson, Philadelphia;
Jason Kidd,
> New Jersey; Baron Davis, New Orleans.
>
> WILD CARDS: Michael Redd, Milwaukee; Paul Pierce, Boston.
>
> EXPLANATION: What, no LeBron James? How can Cleveland have two
guys on the
> team with its record? And Ilaguskas goes because of the paucity of
centers. (The
> choices for forward aren't much better.) Pierce reluctantly gets
the nod;
> he's not playing like an All-Star but the Celtics could be the
highest-ranked
> team in the conference without a representative if he doesn't go.
Toughest
> omissions are James, Lamar Odom, Stephon Marbury, Allan Houston
(who's hurt,
> anyway), and Chauncey Billups.
>
> WESTERN CONFERENCE
>
> CENTER: *Yao Ming, Houston; Shaquille O'Neal, LA Lakers.
>
> FORWARDS: *Tim Duncan, San Antonio; *Kevin Garnett, Minnesota;
Peja
> Stojakovic, Sacramento; Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas.
>
> GUARDS: *Steve Francis, Houston; *Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers; Sam
Cassell,
> Minnesota; Mike Bibby, Sacramento.
>
> WILD CARDS: Carmelo Anthony, Denver; Zach Randolph, Portland.
>
> EXPLANATION: This conference has a lot of tough choices. Taking
Bibby over
> Steve Nash was one of them. Taking Randolph of the losing Trail
Blazers over Pau
> Gasol of winning Memphis was another. The Grizzlies deserve
someone; but whom
> do you displace? Another tough omission: the Kings' Brad Miller.
>
> By the way, Pierce is on the fence as a participant, and should he
not get
> selected by the coaches this week, the Celtics again might not
have anyone in
> the "marquee" events over All-Star Weekend. The last time that
happened, in 2001
> in Washington, it triggered a mighty growl from one noted
Washingtonian:
> Arnold Auerbach. Marcus Banks was not selected to participate in
the rookie game,
> and no Celtic is in the 3-point contest. Ricky Davis would seem to
be a
> natural for the dunk contest, but he said Friday that he has not
been contacted
> about participating. The slam-dunk field has yet to be announced.
>
> Vote of confidence
>
> Celtics interim coach John Carroll has been a fixture around the
league for
> almost a decade. But the guy who may know him as well as anyone is
the guy who
> brought him into the big-time college world, P.J. Carlesimo. It
was Carlesimo
> who hired Carroll to help him as a recruiter/assistant at Seton
Hall, and they
> were together for seven years. Carlesimo also gave Carroll his
first NBA job
> when he brought him to Portland as an advance scout in 1995. "In
one sense,
> it's a great opportunity for John," Carlesimo said. "There are
only 29 head
> coaches. But it's such a tough situation to inherit. He won't be
overwhelmed by
> the situation. He's been a head coach before. He has a
relationship with the
> players. He has a good feeling for the league. For him, the
learning curve will
> be very short." . . . One guy the Celtics had -- and let go for
virtually
> nothing -- is doing quite well for himself in Sacramento. Darius
Songaila, the
> Celtics' No. 2 pick in 2002, is getting time and producing for the
Kings, who love
> his game and his maturity. "He's fortunate, because of the team we
have, he
> just has to do the little things to fit in," said Kings coach Rick
Adelman.
> "That's what we like about him. We really like his upside. He's a
smart kid and
> really experienced. He was a great find." Songaila shares backup
forward
> minutes with Tony Massenburg, and Adelman said those minutes would
not automatically
> disappear when Chris Webber returns. Songaila, dealt to the Kings
last year
> for two second-round picks, said he loves the situation in
Sacramento. "I could
> not have found a better place, the team, the system, the style of
play," he
> said. "It's better than I expected. It's tough being a rookie
coming onto a
> playoff team and getting a chance to play." . . . Here's something
to ponder when
> you talk about the unending turnover among NBA coaches, especially
in the
> East, where 14 of the 15 teams have made changes since the end of
last season. If
> you use the hiring date as the starting point for seniority, No.
10 on the
> list in the East is Bernie Bickerstaff of the Charlotte Bobcats,
who have yet to
> play a game. (The info was courtesy of the Bobcats' crack PR
department.)
> Bickerstaff was hired ahead of Stan Van Gundy in Miami, Johnny
Davis in Orlando,
> Scott Skiles in Chicago, Lenny Wilkens in New York, Lawrence Frank
in New
> Jersey, and Carroll.
>
> Seven down
>
> The Spurs' loss Thursday dropped them to a ridiculous 0-7 against
the four
> top teams in the West: Sacramento, Minnesota, Dallas, and the
Lakers. That was
> not the case last year, when San Antonio owned an 11-5 record
against those
> teams, including 4-0 against the Lakers. And one of the losses was
on the last
> day of the season, a Duncanless mail-it-in job. The Spurs still
have nine games
> left against the conference iron, including three apiece with the
Timberwolves
> and Kings . . . Vlade Divac says he has no plans to play for the
motherland
> (Serbia-Montenegro) at this summer's Olympics in Athens. "I
already have two
> Olympics and I'm too old to go through the process of training
camp," said
> Divac, who turns 36 Tuesday. "I told them in Indianapolis at the
World
> Championships that I would not be playing. But every time they
have a tournament, it's
> always, `Vlade, come play. You have to play.' They have a lot of
good players.
> Leave me alone." . . . Jeff Van Gundy got a chuckle out of the
stories that are
> touting New Jersey's Frank as the next Jeff Van Gundy: "I hope
he's not the
> next me," Van Gundy cracked. "That's one miserable guy."
>
> Material from personal interviews, wire services, other beat
writers, and
> league and team sources was used in this report.© Copyright 2004
Globe Newspaper
> Company.
> CeltsSteve