Thanks Todd!

There's no way I'll "race" the race this weekend -- I'm looking for a nice
easy run to get back into it.  I've recruited one of my slower running
friends to join me so that I make sure I stick to a slower pace!

Susan



                       "Todd Katz"
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BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
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                                                Subject:  Re: [BurkeLakeRunners]
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                       05/09/2003 11:02
                       AM
                       Please respond to
                       BurkeLakeRunners






What a great story!  Congratulations on a superb finish to what sounds like
a very challenging course.  You'd probably break 4 hours at Chicago or a
course like Chicago.  Especially, if you didn't have to take a potty break
and waste energy catching up to your running group.


I agree with your fiance.  At the end of the Richmond Marathon, my wife
vowed never to run another one.  (She's signed up for Chicago).

Be very careful racing.  Right now, your muscles have a lot of micro tears.
It's a very dangerous time for you.  After the soreness goes away, you feel
like you have all this strength, but it takes a good 4 weeks to recover
from a marathon.  Jogging the race course this Saturday very easily would
be my recommendation.


>From: Susan E Coughlin
>Reply-To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
>To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BurkeLakeRunners] Marathon Report (Finally!)
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:22:59 -0400
>
>Hi Everyone-
>
>I'm glad to hear that you are all doing well and getting back into running
>again! Thanks for all of the good luck and congratulatory messages! I
>plan to run the Westfields 5K tomorrow. If you're looking for me, I'll be
>the one at the end...Daphne-Don't even try to beat me out for last place!
>This will be my first run since the marathon, so we will see how it goes.
>As for the marathon...
>
>After 6 1/2 months of training and training and training (yes, those last
6
>weeks after the DC Marathon felt like they were NEVER going to end), we
>finally ran the Pittsburgh Marathon last weekend. As most of you know,
>this was my first marathon, and my goal was to finish -- and not only did
I
>do that, but I finished much sooner than I expected (Peter was right!) and
>it wasn't nearly as painful as I had imagined (You can imagine what I had
>envisioned)! Of course, this week I am definitley feeling every step of
>those 26.2 miles! At the beginning of the week, everything hurt and I was
>walking around at work like a robot! Now I'm just exhausted more than
>anything. At this point, while it was a great accomplishment, I'm not
>convinced that running a marathon needs to be more than a once in a
>lifetime experience! Eric (my fiance) said that I'll change my mind in a
>few months, but we will see! My final time was 4 hours 7 minutes 32
>seconds (which is an average of 9 minutes 30 seconds per mile). I finished
>1010 out of 2208 overall, 190 out of 676 for females, and 44 out of 126
>for females in my age group! I have a few pictures to pass along, but I
>didn't know how to post them to the web site!???
>
>As for the details...Eric and I left for Pittsburgh on Saturday morning,
>where we stayed with his grandmother. We got up there mid-afternoon and
>had dinner that night with everyone in the greater Pittsburgh area...there
>were 2 aunts, an uncle, a cousin, the cousin's husband and two kids! It
>was chaotic but a lot of fun! His grandmother lives on Mount Washington,
>which is about 5-10 minutes from Heinz Field, the start and finish point
>for the race. Sunday morning, we got up, ate, and headed for the race.
>The only problem was that the police had closed the roads more than 20
>minutes sooner than they said they would in the newspaper...so there we
>were with absolutely no clue how to get to the starting line! All of the
>signs were how to get AROUND the marathon instead of how to get TO the
>marathon! As Eric said, "Race/City Organization gets an 'F'." Eric was
>panicking more than me -- mainly because I was too nervous about actually
>running the race to worry about getting there! After a several mile detour
>around the city, we (along with more than 10 other cars) pulled over and
>asked the cop to let us go down one of the blocked streets. He finally
>agreed as the number of anxious (and angry) runners increased! What a way
>to start a race!! I got to the starting line about 5 minutes before the
>start and met up with Ana and the 4:15 pace group. The pace leader was a
>guy named Gene who's run 80 marathons (which makes me tired just thinking
>about it). The only problem was that you could tell that Gene didn't know
>how to run a 4:15 marathon!
>
>As was expected, the first two miles were slower than the target pace
>(about 10 minutes/mile), so for miles 3 and 4 we picked up the pace to
make
>up that lost time. Then for miles 5 & 6 we continued to run under the
>target pace. I was feeling fine, but I was a little nervous about going
>out too fast (which EVERYONE I know had warned me about). Eric was right
>past the 6 mile point to cheer me on and to give me a water bottle (which
I
>intended to hold on to for a mile or so while I took in some GU, but which
>I kept until mile 25.5! I was very thankful to have it as the temperatures
>climbed into the 60s).
>
>By mile 7, my bladder was about to burst, so I hit one of the
porta-potties
>they had on the course. The only problem (which I didn't realize until
>after I had ducked off the course) was that the porta-potties were at the
>bottom of a HUGE hill...so I had to sprint uphill to catch up with the
pace
>group. By the time I caught up with them, I thought I was going to die!
>By mile 8, Ana and I dropped back from the pace group for fear of burning
>ourselves out. We ran together until about mile 9 1/2 and then Ana said to
>go ahead without her. Miles 10 through 12 were also uphill (can you sense
>a theme here??), but at a much steeper grade. I ran mostly by myself at
>this point, picking up and talking to people here and there. At one point,
>I ran with two guys in their 30s who were wearing bright pink men's suits
>(yes, suit pants, jackets, the whole nine yards). They said they did it
>because they wanted to people to cheer for them, and people certainly did!
>
>Sometime around mile 13 I caught up with the pace group. Though, at this
>point, the only folks left in the pace group were Gene (the leader) and
one
>other guy from Pittsburgh who liked to talk alot about the neighborhoods
we
>were running in, the course, etc...which was fine with me because it was a
>nice distraction! I stayed with them for about 5 1/2 miles--even though we
>were running no where near a 9:45/mile pace. Around mile 17, I became
>totally delirious. At some point (right after the mile 16 marker), I had
>convinced myself that I only had 8 more miles to run. You can imagine my
>confusion when I saw the Mile 17 sign and realized I still had 9.2 miles
>left! Needless to say, miles 17 through 19 were the WORST! Every part of
>my body hurt, and I felt nauseous. At mile 18.5, I was convinced I was
>going to toss up the piece of banana and chocolate GU I had eaten several
>miles earlier. Thankfully, I didn't.
>
>By mile 19 I was back on my own (the Pittsburgh guy stopped to see some
>friends and the pacer actually slowed down!). I ran a mile with a few
>girls (two of whom had just jumped on the course to run with their
friend).
>I now know what Jim meant when he talked about having 0 pride while having
>someone's husband open his GU packets. I had the girls hold my water while
>I tried desperately to open my GU. Thankfully, I got it open on my own,
>but it was certainly a challenge! Then they slowed down, and I was back on
>my own. The good part was that we were at mile 20 and I was determined to
>finish! I had a HUGE burst of energy. I met up with a guy running the
>marathon relay -- who was running the last 5 mile segment of the race. We
>ran a 9 minute mile, passing by alot of people who were starting to hit
the
>wall...walking and really looking miserable (much like I'm sure I looked
at
>mile 18). Passing people at that point in the race definitely helped get
>me through. The next several miles were a blurr -- I seemed to lose track
>of how many miles I had run and how many I had left to go. At one point, I
>couldn't remember if I was going to be approaching the mile 24 or mile 25
>marker. I was so thankful when I saw the big "25"! I picked up the pace
>for the last 1.2 miles. We entered the stadium right at the 26 mile marker
>and ran part of a lap around the course. Eric was in the end zone, and my
>parent's were cheering me on from the stands near the finish line. I was
>shocked at how quickly I had run the last half of the race but more than
>anything I was just glad to be finished!
>
>While I don't have any other marathons to compare this to, I'm not sure
>that I would run it again. The hills were a KILLER! For the most part,
>the crowd support (including music/bands) was great, but there were
>definitely stretches where it was thin. Running into the stadium at the
>finish was amazing...though it probably would have been a lot more amazing
>if I were more coherent!
>
>So, there you have it (finally!). Thanks to all of you for your help with
>the training and your constant support.
>
>Hopefully, I will see some of you on Saturday at the Westfields 5K or at
>Burke Lake on Sunday mornings!
>
>Susan
>
>***********************************************************
>Susan E. Coughlin
>IBM Business Consulting Services
>susan.e.coughlin@...
>Reston: 703.668.2828
>

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I warn you:  I won't give up my right to last place easily!

Congratulations on a great race.  Perfectly paced and executed and I am really
impressed that it wasn't as hard as you expected.  Those hills are real HILLS!

Maybe you could do a half-marathon somewhere while you consider your future in
marathoning.  Or you could think about doing a second marathon but change your
goals -- think about pacing someone who is slower, older ... did I mention
slower and older?  Yep, I'm talking about ME!

Great job and I hope I'll see you on Saturday at the races.

Daphne

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan E Coughlin [mailto:Susan.E.Coughlin@...]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:23 AM
To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BurkeLakeRunners] Marathon Report (Finally!)


Hi Everyone-

I'm glad to hear that you are all doing well and getting back into running
again!  Thanks for all of the good luck and congratulatory messages!  I
plan to run the Westfields 5K tomorrow.  If you're looking for me, I'll be
the one at the end...Daphne-Don't even try to beat me out for last place!
This will be my first run since the marathon, so we will see how it goes.
As for the marathon...

After 6 1/2 months of training and training and training (yes, those last 6
weeks after the DC Marathon felt like they were NEVER going to end), we
finally ran the Pittsburgh Marathon last weekend.  As most of you know,
this was my first marathon, and my goal was to finish -- and not only did I
do that, but I finished much sooner than I expected (Peter was right!) and
it wasn't nearly as painful as I had imagined (You can imagine what I had
envisioned)!  Of course, this week I am definitley feeling every step of
those 26.2 miles!  At the beginning of the week, everything hurt and I was
walking around at work like a robot!  Now I'm just exhausted more than
anything.  At this point, while it was a great accomplishment, I'm not
convinced that running a marathon needs to be more than a once in a
lifetime experience!  Eric (my fiance) said that I'll change my mind in a
few months, but we will see!  My final time was 4 hours 7 minutes 32
seconds (which is an average of 9 minutes 30 seconds per mile).  I finished
1010 out of 2208 overall, 190 out of 676 for females, and  44 out of 126
for females in my age group!  I have a few pictures to pass along, but I
didn't know how to post them to the web site!???

As for the details...Eric and I left for Pittsburgh on Saturday morning,
where we stayed with his grandmother.  We got up there mid-afternoon and
had dinner that night with everyone in the greater Pittsburgh area...there
were 2 aunts, an uncle, a cousin, the cousin's husband and two kids!  It
was chaotic but a lot of fun!  His grandmother lives on Mount Washington,
which is about 5-10 minutes from Heinz Field, the start and finish point
for the race.  Sunday morning, we got up, ate, and headed for the race.
The only problem was that the police had closed the roads more than 20
minutes sooner than they said they would in the newspaper...so there we
were with absolutely no clue how to get to the starting line!  All of the
signs were how to get AROUND the marathon instead of how to get TO the
marathon!  As Eric said, "Race/City Organization gets an 'F'."  Eric was
panicking more than me -- mainly because I was too nervous about actually
running the race to worry about getting there!  After a several mile detour
around the city, we (along with more than 10 other cars) pulled over and
asked the cop to let us go down one of the blocked streets.  He finally
agreed as the number of anxious (and angry) runners increased!  What a way
to start a race!!  I got to the starting line about 5 minutes before the
start and met up with Ana and the 4:15 pace group.  The pace leader was a
guy named Gene who's run 80 marathons (which makes me tired just thinking
about it).  The only problem was that you could tell that Gene didn't know
how to run a 4:15 marathon!

As was expected, the first two miles were slower than the target pace
(about 10 minutes/mile), so for miles 3 and 4 we picked up the pace to make
up that lost time.  Then for miles 5 & 6 we continued to run under the
target pace.  I was feeling fine, but I was a little nervous about going
out too fast (which EVERYONE I know had warned me about).  Eric was right
past the 6 mile point to cheer me on and to give me a water bottle (which I
intended to hold on to for a mile or so while I took in some GU, but which
I kept until mile 25.5!  I was very thankful to have it as the temperatures
climbed into the 60s).

By mile 7, my bladder was about to burst, so I hit one of the porta-potties
they had on the course.  The only problem (which I didn't realize until
after I had ducked off the course) was that the porta-potties were at the
bottom of a HUGE hill...so I had to sprint uphill to catch up with the pace
group.  By the time I caught up with them, I thought I was going to die!
By mile 8, Ana and I dropped back from the pace group for fear of burning
ourselves out.  We ran together until about mile 9 1/2 and then Ana said to
go ahead without her.  Miles 10 through 12 were also uphill (can you sense
a theme here??), but at a much steeper grade.  I ran mostly by myself at
this point, picking up and talking to people here and there.  At one point,
I ran with two guys in their 30s who were wearing bright pink men's suits
(yes, suit pants, jackets, the whole nine yards).  They said they did it
because they wanted to people to cheer for them, and people certainly did!

Sometime around mile 13 I caught up with the pace group.  Though, at this
point, the only folks left in the pace group were Gene (the leader) and one
other guy from Pittsburgh who liked to talk alot about the neighborhoods we
were running in, the course, etc...which was fine with me because it was a
nice distraction!  I stayed with them for about 5 1/2 miles--even though we
were running no where near a 9:45/mile pace.  Around mile 17, I became
totally delirious.  At some point (right after the mile 16 marker), I had
convinced myself that I only had 8 more miles to run.  You can imagine my
confusion when I saw the Mile 17 sign and realized I still had 9.2 miles
left!  Needless to say, miles 17 through 19 were the WORST!  Every part of
my body hurt, and I felt nauseous.  At mile 18.5, I was convinced I was
going to toss up the piece of banana and chocolate GU I had eaten several
miles earlier.  Thankfully, I didn't.

By mile 19 I was back on my own (the Pittsburgh guy stopped to see some
friends and the pacer actually slowed down!).  I ran a mile with a few
girls (two of whom had just jumped on the course to run with their friend).
I now know what Jim meant when he talked about having 0 pride while having
someone's husband open his GU packets.  I had the girls hold my water while
I tried desperately to open my GU.  Thankfully, I got it open on my own,
but it was certainly a challenge!  Then they slowed down, and I was back on
my own.  The good part was that we were at mile 20 and I was determined to
finish!  I had a HUGE burst of energy.  I met up with a guy running the
marathon relay -- who was running the last 5 mile segment of the race.  We
ran a 9 minute mile, passing by alot of people who were starting to hit the
wall...walking and really looking miserable (much like I'm sure I looked at
mile 18).  Passing people at that point in the race definitely helped get
me through.  The next several miles were a blurr -- I seemed to lose track
of how many miles I had run and how many I had left to go.  At one point, I
couldn't remember if I was going to be approaching the mile 24 or mile 25
marker.  I was so thankful when I saw the big "25"!  I picked up the pace
for the last 1.2 miles.  We entered the stadium right at the 26 mile marker
and ran part of a lap around the course.  Eric was in the end zone, and my
parent's were cheering me on from the stands near the finish line.  I was
shocked at how quickly I had run the last half of the race but more than
anything I was just glad to be finished!

While I don't have any other marathons to compare this to, I'm not sure
that I would run it again.  The hills were a KILLER!  For the most part,
the crowd support (including music/bands) was great, but there were
definitely stretches where it was thin.  Running into the stadium at the
finish was amazing...though it probably would have been a lot more amazing
if I were more coherent!

So, there you have it (finally!).  Thanks to all of you for your help with
the training and your constant support.

Hopefully, I will see some of you on Saturday at the Westfields 5K or at
Burke Lake on Sunday mornings!

Susan

***********************************************************
Susan E. Coughlin
IBM Business Consulting Services
susan.e.coughlin@...
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Hi Everyone-

I'm glad to hear that you are all doing well and getting back into running
again!  Thanks for all of the good luck and congratulatory messages!  I
plan to run the Westfields 5K tomorrow.  If you're looking for me, I'll be
the one at the end...Daphne-Don't even try to beat me out for last place!
This will be my first run since the marathon, so we will see how it goes.
As for the marathon...

After 6 1/2 months of training and training and training (yes, those last 6
weeks after the DC Marathon felt like they were NEVER going to end), we
finally ran the Pittsburgh Marathon last weekend.  As most of you know,
this was my first marathon, and my goal was to finish -- and not only did I
do that, but I finished much sooner than I expected (Peter was right!) and
it wasn't nearly as painful as I had imagined (You can imagine what I had
envisioned)!  Of course, this week I am definitley feeling every step of
those 26.2 miles!  At the beginning of the week, everything hurt and I was
walking around at work like a robot!  Now I'm just exhausted more than
anything.  At this point, while it was a great accomplishment, I'm not
convinced that running a marathon needs to be more than a once in a
lifetime experience!  Eric (my fiance) said that I'll change my mind in a
few months, but we will see!  My final time was 4 hours 7 minutes 32
seconds (which is an average of 9 minutes 30 seconds per mile).  I finished
1010 out of 2208 overall, 190 out of 676 for females, and  44 out of 126
for females in my age group!  I have a few pictures to pass along, but I
didn't know how to post them to the web site!???

As for the details...Eric and I left for Pittsburgh on Saturday morning,
where we stayed with his grandmother.  We got up there mid-afternoon and
had dinner that night with everyone in the greater Pittsburgh area...there
were 2 aunts, an uncle, a cousin, the cousin's husband and two kids!  It
was chaotic but a lot of fun!  His grandmother lives on Mount Washington,
which is about 5-10 minutes from Heinz Field, the start and finish point
for the race.  Sunday morning, we got up, ate, and headed for the race.
The only problem was that the police had closed the roads more than 20
minutes sooner than they said they would in the newspaper...so there we
were with absolutely no clue how to get to the starting line!  All of the
signs were how to get AROUND the marathon instead of how to get TO the
marathon!  As Eric said, "Race/City Organization gets an 'F'."  Eric was
panicking more than me -- mainly because I was too nervous about actually
running the race to worry about getting there!  After a several mile detour
around the city, we (along with more than 10 other cars) pulled over and
asked the cop to let us go down one of the blocked streets.  He finally
agreed as the number of anxious (and angry) runners increased!  What a way
to start a race!!  I got to the starting line about 5 minutes before the
start and met up with Ana and the 4:15 pace group.  The pace leader was a
guy named Gene who's run 80 marathons (which makes me tired just thinking
about it).  The only problem was that you could tell that Gene didn't know
how to run a 4:15 marathon!

As was expected, the first two miles were slower than the target pace
(about 10 minutes/mile), so for miles 3 and 4 we picked up the pace to make
up that lost time.  Then for miles 5 & 6 we continued to run under the
target pace.  I was feeling fine, but I was a little nervous about going
out too fast (which EVERYONE I know had warned me about).  Eric was right
past the 6 mile point to cheer me on and to give me a water bottle (which I
intended to hold on to for a mile or so while I took in some GU, but which
I kept until mile 25.5!  I was very thankful to have it as the temperatures
climbed into the 60s).

By mile 7, my bladder was about to burst, so I hit one of the porta-potties
they had on the course.  The only problem (which I didn't realize until
after I had ducked off the course) was that the porta-potties were at the
bottom of a HUGE hill...so I had to sprint uphill to catch up with the pace
group.  By the time I caught up with them, I thought I was going to die!
By mile 8, Ana and I dropped back from the pace group for fear of burning
ourselves out.  We ran together until about mile 9 1/2 and then Ana said to
go ahead without her.  Miles 10 through 12 were also uphill (can you sense
a theme here??), but at a much steeper grade.  I ran mostly by myself at
this point, picking up and talking to people here and there.  At one point,
I ran with two guys in their 30s who were wearing bright pink men's suits
(yes, suit pants, jackets, the whole nine yards).  They said they did it
because they wanted to people to cheer for them, and people certainly did!

Sometime around mile 13 I caught up with the pace group.  Though, at this
point, the only folks left in the pace group were Gene (the leader) and one
other guy from Pittsburgh who liked to talk alot about the neighborhoods we
were running in, the course, etc...which was fine with me because it was a
nice distraction!  I stayed with them for about 5 1/2 miles--even though we
were running no where near a 9:45/mile pace.  Around mile 17, I became
totally delirious.  At some point (right after the mile 16 marker), I had
convinced myself that I only had 8 more miles to run.  You can imagine my
confusion when I saw the Mile 17 sign and realized I still had 9.2 miles
left!  Needless to say, miles 17 through 19 were the WORST!  Every part of
my body hurt, and I felt nauseous.  At mile 18.5, I was convinced I was
going to toss up the piece of banana and chocolate GU I had eaten several
miles earlier.  Thankfully, I didn't.

By mile 19 I was back on my own (the Pittsburgh guy stopped to see some
friends and the pacer actually slowed down!).  I ran a mile with a few
girls (two of whom had just jumped on the course to run with their friend).
I now know what Jim meant when he talked about having 0 pride while having
someone's husband open his GU packets.  I had the girls hold my water while
I tried desperately to open my GU.  Thankfully, I got it open on my own,
but it was certainly a challenge!  Then they slowed down, and I was back on
my own.  The good part was that we were at mile 20 and I was determined to
finish!  I had a HUGE burst of energy.  I met up with a guy running the
marathon relay -- who was running the last 5 mile segment of the race.  We
ran a 9 minute mile, passing by alot of people who were starting to hit the
wall...walking and really looking miserable (much like I'm sure I looked at
mile 18).  Passing people at that point in the race definitely helped get
me through.  The next several miles were a blurr -- I seemed to lose track
of how many miles I had run and how many I had left to go.  At one point, I
couldn't remember if I was going to be approaching the mile 24 or mile 25
marker.  I was so thankful when I saw the big "25"!  I picked up the pace
for the last 1.2 miles.  We entered the stadium right at the 26 mile marker
and ran part of a lap around the course.  Eric was in the end zone, and my
parent's were cheering me on from the stands near the finish line.  I was
shocked at how quickly I had run the last half of the race but more than
anything I was just glad to be finished!

While I don't have any other marathons to compare this to, I'm not sure
that I would run it again.  The hills were a KILLER!  For the most part,
the crowd support (including music/bands) was great, but there were
definitely stretches where it was thin.  Running into the stadium at the
finish was amazing...though it probably would have been a lot more amazing
if I were more coherent!

So, there you have it (finally!).  Thanks to all of you for your help with
the training and your constant support.

Hopefully, I will see some of you on Saturday at the Westfields 5K or at
Burke Lake on Sunday mornings!

Susan

***********************************************************
Susan E. Coughlin
IBM Business Consulting Services
susan.e.coughlin@...
Reston: 703.668.2828

I am happy to hear that you are pain free, Daphne!!
All, good luck in the race this weekend.
Chris

Hi All:

1) I'm still planning to do the Westfields 5K this weekend.  I will use my
"recovering from an injury" status to justify how slow I am.  That's my story
and I'm sticking to it.  Jim, I'll see you there (and maybe some others too?)

2)  I am running again, with no hamstring pain.  Happy, happy, joy, joy.  Got
some new shoes that ROCK and ran a few times while in Scottsdale AZ this past
week.  My plan was to stay conservative and run 4- or 5-milers while getting
back into it, but I ended up doing an 8-miler while I was there.  Not on
purpose, of course.  The hotel gave me this little course map to follow and I
couldn't.  The map was all screwed up.  Well, actually, I was holding it upside
down.  That's how I found out that I need reading glasses.  But it was a good
tour of the area.

3)  This past week marks the first time running in a sleeveless shirt and the
Timex GPS thingy.  It rubbed my upper arm and left a rash.  Ron, have you used
BodyGlide with yours?  Any suggestions?

Daphne "stopping by CVS to buy reading glasses on the way home" Magnuson

Hi all,

For those who are interested in the Pittsburgh Marathon findings.
First of all I did not make 3.30 but 3.51 which is still 15 mins faster than
my previous best marathon time so I'm very satisfied.
Upon arrival in our hotel Ana and I took the shuttle bus to and from the
Convention Center for packet pick up and sign up for a pace group. After
diner back to the hotel and to be early. Just for the record Ana in her room
and myself in mine together with my wife. Next morning a bus again to Heinz
field where Ana met Susan in the same pace group and I saw some people who
had been training for DC marathon.
We were told that this was supposed to be a reasonable flat marathon with
some eleveation between mile 11 and 13.  The people who told us this
probably live in the Shenandoah Mountains or 2600 runners took the wrong
direction!!!  It was rolling for 26.2 miles with a climax from mile 10 to
14.  Add to this 60+ degrees and bright sunshine and you'll have my kind of
weather. Needless to say this is my understatement of the year sofar but I'm
not complaining. The course was fun it brought us through all parts of
Pittsburgh good and bad, poor and less poor and sometimes a bit of whealth.
This did'nt refrain the crowds to hand out water, gatorade, oranges, bananas
and the smell of a lot of BBQ's (which is not funny after 20 miles for those
of you who know my eating habits) The crowds were great, organisation was
good, waterstops and aid stations were plenty.
The most enjoyable part was the finish (logically) through a tunnel into
Heinz Field stadium home of the Pittsburgh Steelers and see yourself on the
biiiiiiiiiiiig screen.  This makes every finisher feel like a winner.
For those who liked Frederick try this one. For those who even do not want
their driveway to go up stay out and do Cape May again next year. First I'll
do my FTM training/coaching program this summer with Montgommery County
Roadrunners and than race Marine Corps (yes I'm in) and after that I'll
decide what I want to do next spring. For me it will not be Pittsburgh.
For all of you who will be running at Burke this summer have fun and let's
keep in touch. If there will be no winter training program we might be able
to set something up ourselves.
Before I forget, Susan finished in a fantastic 4.07 and Ana fainted at mile
13.
From both the ladies you all will get a detailed story
Happy running this summer and succes with all your upcomming races.
For Burke Lake
Peter
For MCRRC
Vliegende Hollander
Peter

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Congratulations!

Jim (from WDC Training)
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter van Capelleveen <PVCPVC13@...>
To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com <BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com>;
ftmpace2@yahoogroups.com <ftmpace2@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:14 PM
Subject: [BurkeLakeRunners] Pittsburgh Marathon


>Hi all,
>
>For those who are interested in the Pittsburgh Marathon findings.
>First of all I did not make 3.30 but 3.51 which is still 15 mins faster
than
>my previous best marathon time so I'm very satisfied.
>Upon arrival in our hotel Ana and I took the shuttle bus to and from the
>Convention Center for packet pick up and sign up for a pace group. After
>diner back to the hotel and to be early. Just for the record Ana in her
room
>and myself in mine together with my wife. Next morning a bus again to Heinz
>field where Ana met Susan in the same pace group and I saw some people who
>had been training for DC marathon.
>We were told that this was supposed to be a reasonable flat marathon with
>some eleveation between mile 11 and 13.  The people who told us this
>probably live in the Shenandoah Mountains or 2600 runners took the wrong
>direction!!!  It was rolling for 26.2 miles with a climax from mile 10 to
>14.  Add to this 60+ degrees and bright sunshine and you'll have my kind of
>weather. Needless to say this is my understatement of the year sofar but
I'm
>not complaining. The course was fun it brought us through all parts of
>Pittsburgh good and bad, poor and less poor and sometimes a bit of whealth.
>This did'nt refrain the crowds to hand out water, gatorade, oranges,
bananas
>and the smell of a lot of BBQ's (which is not funny after 20 miles for
those
>of you who know my eating habits) The crowds were great, organisation was
>good, waterstops and aid stations were plenty.
>The most enjoyable part was the finish (logically) through a tunnel into
>Heinz Field stadium home of the Pittsburgh Steelers and see yourself on the
>biiiiiiiiiiiig screen.  This makes every finisher feel like a winner.
>For those who liked Frederick try this one. For those who even do not want
>their driveway to go up stay out and do Cape May again next year. First
I'll
>do my FTM training/coaching program this summer with Montgommery County
>Roadrunners and than race Marine Corps (yes I'm in) and after that I'll
>decide what I want to do next spring. For me it will not be Pittsburgh.
>For all of you who will be running at Burke this summer have fun and let's
>keep in touch. If there will be no winter training program we might be able
>to set something up ourselves.
>Before I forget, Susan finished in a fantastic 4.07 and Ana fainted at mile
>13.
>From both the ladies you all will get a detailed story
>Happy running this summer and succes with all your upcomming races.
>For Burke Lake
>Peter
>For MCRRC
>Vliegende Hollander
>Peter
>
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Congratulations!!

Hi all,

For those who are interested in the Pittsburgh Marathon findings.
First of all I did not make 3.30 but 3.51 which is still 15 mins faster than
my previous best marathon time so I'm very satisfied.
Upon arrival in our hotel Ana and I took the shuttle bus to and from the
Convention Center for packet pick up and sign up for a pace group. After
diner back to the hotel and to be early. Just for the record Ana in her room
and myself in mine together with my wife. Next morning a bus again to Heinz
field where Ana met Susan in the same pace group and I saw some people who
had been training for DC marathon.
We were told that this was supposed to be a reasonable flat marathon with
some eleveation between mile 11 and 13.  The people who told us this
probably live in the Shenandoah Mountains or 2600 runners took the wrong
direction!!!  It was rolling for 26.2 miles with a climax from mile 10 to
14.  Add to this 60+ degrees and bright sunshine and you'll have my kind of
weather. Needless to say this is my understatement of the year sofar but I'm
not complaining. The course was fun it brought us through all parts of
Pittsburgh good and bad, poor and less poor and sometimes a bit of whealth.
This did'nt refrain the crowds to hand out water, gatorade, oranges, bananas
and the smell of a lot of BBQ's (which is not funny after 20 miles for those
of you who know my eating habits) The crowds were great, organisation was
good, waterstops and aid stations were plenty.
The most enjoyable part was the finish (logically) through a tunnel into
Heinz Field stadium home of the Pittsburgh Steelers and see yourself on the
biiiiiiiiiiiig screen.  This makes every finisher feel like a winner.
For those who liked Frederick try this one. For those who even do not want
their driveway to go up stay out and do Cape May again next year. First I'll
do my FTM training/coaching program this summer with Montgommery County
Roadrunners and than race Marine Corps (yes I'm in) and after that I'll
decide what I want to do next spring. For me it will not be Pittsburgh.
For all of you who will be running at Burke this summer have fun and let's
keep in touch. If there will be no winter training program we might be able
to set something up ourselves.
Before I forget, Susan finished in a fantastic 4.07 and Ana fainted at mile
13.
From both the ladies you all will get a detailed story
Happy running this summer and succes with all your upcomming races.
For Burke Lake
Peter
For MCRRC
Vliegende Hollander
Peter

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If you ran the "unofficial" DC Marathon, the Marathon In the parks will give
you a medal see here:

https://www.racepacket.com/unoff.htm

On another topic:

One of my coworkers (and another DC Marathon entrant) has a friend who is close
to some of the lawyers involved in the H2O bankrupcy pretty much says they just
went broke.  The city put the squeeze on them for the police protection pretty
much
as Paul said when we ran the 20 with him the day of the marathon.   Anyhow, they
got a ton of liabilities and about $60,000 tops in assets (and a lot of that is
office
fixtures etc...).

You'll get one from me too!

***********************************************************
Susan E. Coughlin
IBM Business Consulting Services
susan.e.coughlin@...
Fair Lakes: 703.653.7693
Reston: 703.668.2828
Fax: 703.322.2208



                       "Peter van
                       Capelleveen"             To:      
BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
                       <PVCPVC13@hotmail        cc:
                       .com>                    Subject:  Re: [BurkeLakeRunners]
Marathon Results - Congrats!

                       05/06/2003 08:40
                       AM
                       Please respond to
                       BurkeLakeRunners






Hi all,
Full report of the marathon will follow shortly
Peter






>From: Jimvillars@...
>Reply-To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
>To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com, ebzb@...
>Subject: Re: [BurkeLakeRunners] Marathon Results - Congrats!
>Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:32:17 EDT
>
>WOW!
>Way to go Susan & Peter !!!!!
>I guess the extra six weeks of waiting and training paid off !  Those are
>great times!
>Hope the recovery is going well.  If I ever catch up on my "hearty
>challenges
>of lawn care...." ...and get back to Sunday mornings at Burke Lake, I'd
>like
>to hear more about your races.    ...and what about Ana?
>
>Ron,
>Can you add Zoe Byer from our DCM training group to the Yahoo mailing
list?
>Thanks!
>  ebzb@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Hi all,
Full report of the marathon will follow shortly
Peter






>From: Jimvillars@...
>Reply-To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
>To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com, ebzb@...
>Subject: Re: [BurkeLakeRunners] Marathon Results - Congrats!
>Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:32:17 EDT
>
>WOW!
>Way to go Susan & Peter !!!!!
>I guess the extra six weeks of waiting and training paid off !  Those are
>great times!
>Hope the recovery is going well.  If I ever catch up on my "hearty
>challenges
>of lawn care...." ...and get back to Sunday mornings at Burke Lake, I'd
>like
>to hear more about your races.    ...and what about Ana?
>
>Ron,
>Can you add Zoe Byer from our DCM training group to the Yahoo mailing list?
>Thanks!
>  ebzb@...  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Hi Allen,
I will sign up
Peter






>From: "Al" <arhenry1@...>
>Reply-To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
>To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BurkeLakeRunners] Lawyers Have Heart 10K June 14,2003
>Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 12:07:22 -0000
>
>OK Stephanie, Richard, Larry.  Here's the url for the Georgetown
>Lawyers Have Heart 10K: http://www.runlhh.org/.  It benefits the
>American Heart Association.
>I am signed up ($25, cheaper then I remembered!).  Please sign up so
>I don't have to run it alone like I did last year :(
>Anybody else interested, please sign up.  It was a fun one and they
>gave away some nice prizes, not that I got any!
>Allen
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Hi Allen,
I will sign up
Peter






>From: "Al" <arhenry1@...>
>Reply-To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
>To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BurkeLakeRunners] Lawyers Have Heart 10K June 14,2003
>Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 12:07:22 -0000
>
>OK Stephanie, Richard, Larry.  Here's the url for the Georgetown
>Lawyers Have Heart 10K: http://www.runlhh.org/.  It benefits the
>American Heart Association.
>I am signed up ($25, cheaper then I remembered!).  Please sign up so
>I don't have to run it alone like I did last year :(
>Anybody else interested, please sign up.  It was a fun one and they
>gave away some nice prizes, not that I got any!
>Allen
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Congratulations to Peter and Susan (and any other marathoners this weekend).

Weather was perfect in Pittsburgh.  For future reference, Pittsburgh had over
600 relay teams (2, 3 or 4 person)--one of the biggest marathon-relay formats in
the U.S.  Great for those who want a taste of marathoning, but aren't ready to
run 26.2 miles by themselves.  I ran this weekend with my Dad and Sister (in
4:03); now my Dad is hooked and is plotting to do a full marathon later this
year.


	 -----Original Message-----
	 From: Nancy Huddy [mailto:HuddyN@...]
	 Sent: Mon 5/5/2003 9:28 AM
	 To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
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	 Subject: Re: [BurkeLakeRunners] Marathon Results - Congrats!



	 I heard there were tornadoes in Omaha yesterday. Hope Lincoln weather was
	 better and that the marathon went on as planned.

	 >>> arhenry1@... 05/05/03 07:06AM >>>
	 Congratulations to Peter van Capelleveen and Susan Coughlin!  Peter
	 finished the Pittsburgh Marathon in 3:51 and Susan in 4:07!
	 Outstanding!
	 I was unable to find Ana in the Pittsburgh results and I could not
	 find Kathryn in the Lincoln Marathon results.  I don't know if anyone
	 else from our group was running a marathon this weekend.  If so, let
	 us know.
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I heard there were tornadoes in Omaha yesterday. Hope Lincoln weather was
better and that the marathon went on as planned.

>>> arhenry1@... 05/05/03 07:06AM >>>
Congratulations to Peter van Capelleveen and Susan Coughlin!  Peter
finished the Pittsburgh Marathon in 3:51 and Susan in 4:07!
Outstanding!
I was unable to find Ana in the Pittsburgh results and I could not
find Kathryn in the Lincoln Marathon results.  I don't know if anyone
else from our group was running a marathon this weekend.  If so, let
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OK Stephanie, Richard, Larry.  Here's the url for the Georgetown
Lawyers Have Heart 10K: http://www.runlhh.org/.  It benefits the
American Heart Association.
I am signed up ($25, cheaper then I remembered!).  Please sign up so
I don't have to run it alone like I did last year :(
Anybody else interested, please sign up.  It was a fun one and they
gave away some nice prizes, not that I got any!
Allen

-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Henry [mailto:arhenry1@...]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:28
To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BurkeLakeRunners] Running this Sunday?

Hey Duncan, we all had this "something's not right here" feeling come over us yesterday morning then we realized you weren't there!  Missed you yesterday, hope that you're OK. 

Since I will be heading up to NJ for Mother's Day next weekend, I plan to run at Burke Lake on Saturday morning 7AM in case you are interested.  I know that Stephanie and others still plan to run on Sunday at 7AM.

Just FYI,

Take care,

Allen 


"Heinz, David R" <heinzdr@...> wrote:

See you Sunday at 0700!

Duncan


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To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
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I plan to run at The Lake this Sunday at 7 AM.  Hope to see some of
you there.  Good luck to those running the Pittsburgh and Lincoln
Marathons this Sunday!  Also, I think I heard someone say they were
doing Cincinnati this weekend, so good luck in that also. (There are
about fourteen marathons around the country this weekend!).
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Congratulations to Peter van Capelleveen and Susan Coughlin!  Peter
finished the Pittsburgh Marathon in 3:51 and Susan in 4:07!
Outstanding!
I was unable to find Ana in the Pittsburgh results and I could not
find Kathryn in the Lincoln Marathon results.  I don't know if anyone
else from our group was running a marathon this weekend.  If so, let
us know.
Allen

I plan to run at The Lake this Sunday at 7 AM.  Hope to see some of
you there.  Good luck to those running the Pittsburgh and Lincoln
Marathons this Sunday!  Also, I think I heard someone say they were
doing Cincinnati this weekend, so good luck in that also. (There are
about fourteen marathons around the country this weekend!).
Allen



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See you Sunday at 0700!

Duncan


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To: BurkeLakeRunners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BurkeLakeRunners] Running this Sunday?


I plan to run at The Lake this Sunday at 7 AM.  Hope to see some of
you there.  Good luck to those running the Pittsburgh and Lincoln
Marathons this Sunday!  Also, I think I heard someone say they were
doing Cincinnati this weekend, so good luck in that also. (There are
about fourteen marathons around the country this weekend!).
Allen



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