I think u have a good handle on it. I suspect this firing had as
much to do w/the polarizing personality of Gruden, as anything else.

Had we made the playoffs even at 10-6, I don't think they would have
been fired because winning covers problems. But there was no use in
continuing to tolerate Gruden's abrasive personality, for 9-7 again.

--- In Bucs@yahoogroups.com, sean george <geobuc13@...> wrote:
>
> Apparently, many of the players were polled about how they felt
about Chuckie. The reviews weren't favorable. Could easily explain
the collapse, as well. Hated to see it, but maybe we did need a
change.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Warren K Ball <warren_k_ball@...>
> To: Bucs@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:08:41 AM
> Subject: [Bucs] Re: Gruden fired by Bucs after 7 seasons
>
>
> I think he built a good organization. There were various critical
> breaks at various times, like the end of the 9-7 season, where our
CB
> blew out his hamstring (career ending injury), giving a Jax wide
> receiver an easy touchdown & knocking us out of the playoffs, as we
> would have been 10-6.
>
> Or the Washington playoff game, where the refs literally gave 2
TD's
> to the Skins on bad calls (3 if u consider Brunell's "incomplete
> pass" on the sack in his end zone, a fumble).
>
> And they drafted 2 players who were each rookie of the year; who
else
> can claim that? What happened w/those guys, esp Clayton is
unclear.
> At least Cadillac had incredible back & leg injuries he came back
> from.
>
> As to your thing on the QB, that is gold- who HAS developed 1? The
> Broncos havent, w/their high pick QB. The Jets didn't & went out
to
> get Brett Favre at 38! The Raiders certainly haven't and the
wasted
> #1 overall pick of the 49er's on their QB set back their
organization
> years. The highest pick Tampa has had was #5 and that year, there
> were no really good QB's left, except for the risky kid who wound
up
> in Cleveland. Basically, ALL teams struggle to achieve what u
blame
> the Bucs for not doing.
>
> There r many reasons y the Bucs havent come close to the SB again
but
> these things happen to all teams. That is 1 reason its so damn
hard
> to get to the SB.
>
> --- In Bucs@yahoogroups. com, "Andrew" <bucdrew55@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > I suppose I am in the minority here, because my first thought
> > was "thank you...thank you...thank you!" The Gruden-Allen duo
has
> done
> > nothing but create a culture of mediocrity. Like everyone, I
will
> > always be grateful to Jon Gruden for the Super Bowl, but the
> reality
> > is, since then he has done very little to create a winning
> > organization. The total inabilty to develop a QB stands out, as
do
> > numerous questionable in-game decisions. The utter collapse in
the
> > last month of this season was an indicator of how poorly this
team
> is
> > designed to win meaningful games in December. Good riddance.
And
> good
> > luck to Coach Morris!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Bucs@yahoogroups. com, "Mike G" <MGostischa@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > The Buccaneers Friday said that they have fired head coach Jon
> Gruden
> > > and general manager Bruce Allen.
> > >
> > > "We will be forever grateful to Jon for bringing us the Super
> Bowl
> > > title, and we thank Bruce for his contributions to our
> franchise,"
> > > Buccaneers Co-Chairman Joel Glazer said in a
statement. "However
> > after
> > > careful consideration, we feel that this decision is in the
best
> > > interest of our organization moving forward."
> > >
> >
>