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#2023 From: "jaydawgekj" <emilynyc@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 4:34 pm
Subject: BTC Holiday Party: Help us give out awards
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Annual awards will be given out at the Holiday Party on Dec 10th.  But
before we can announce the categories, we'll need a few volunteers to
be on the Awards Committee.  This committee will evaluate nominees and
hand out the award.  Shouldn't be a big time commitment, but it should
be a lot of fun.  Let me know if you're interested.  Note, you must be
a member to both be eligible for awards and participate in the awards
committee.  (But anyone can come to the party).

Email me at emilynyc at gmail dot com.

Thanks!

Emily J.

#2022 From: cr2130@...
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Vo2 Max
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Jason Goldberg does VO2 testing at R&A Cycles on 5th avenue in
Brooklyn. Get more info @ http://www.racycles.com/vo2.html
I believe there is a discount for Brooklyn Tri Members.

The information you get from the VO2 test is very useful. I found
out that I have a really big engine (good genetics, larger athlete)
but worked all season to improve VO2 at lactate threshold (% of
VO2max). Get tested, let the data inform your training & get
results!

--Cristi


Quoting Jonathan Cane <jonathan@...>:

> Catherine:
>
> I'm always happy to put on my lab coat and dust off the grad
> school
> texts, so feel free to write directly or call if you want more
> info.
>
> Off the top of my head, for women in the 25-35 year old range, a
> VO2
> max of 35 is probably about average, and you'd expect to see
> values in
> the high 40s-low 50s for well trained female endurance athletes.
> VO2
> is generally expressed in milliliters of oxygen per kilogram of
> body
> weight per minute, or ml/kg/min.  Because it's relative to body
> weight, a lighter athlete will typically rank higher when using
> such
> such terms. In some athletes (such as rowers) who don't have to
> carry
> their weight, you'll see VO2 expressed in absolute terms
> (liters/minute regardless of weight) in which case larger
> athletes
> will generally score higher.
>
> There are a couple of other things to keep in mind.  VO2 max is
> largely limited by genetics, meaning that if your score is 35, no
> matter how hard you train, you'll never 70.  (That assumes that
> your
> weight stays the same.)  Also, while VO2 max is important, a far
> better predictor of performance is VO2 at lactate threshold.
> That
> *can* be trained - which means there's hope for those of us who
> picked
> the wrong parents ;-)
>
> --- In Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com,
> "journalistcatherine"
> <stlouis@...> wrote:
> >
> > I know someone of you have had your VO2max checked. I'm
> planning to
> > get mine done next week and so I'm wondering, what's a ballpark
> number
> > for an age group triathlete woman? Lance Armstrong is an 83 -
> or was.
> > I want to have some sense of whether when they tell me I'm a
> 40, of
> > whether that's embarrasingly low or whether I'm above average.
> Any
> > advice is appreciated. Catherine
> >
>
>
>

#2021 From: "alexvillari" <alexvillari@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:55 pm
Subject: Digital Video Camera
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Hey does anyone have a digital video camera or even a VHS video
recorder that I can borrow?  I want to videotaped myself running,
cycling, and swimming so I can work on form over the winter and as I
prepare to buy a tri bike.

I will return it in about a week.  I'll be careful and give a deposit
if its really expensive.

Let me know.  Email me directly with yor phone # at
alexvillari@....  Thanks.

Alex

#2020 From: "Lee Silverman" <lsilverman@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:35 pm
Subject: Indoor Tri: Sun Dec 10th
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Here's an opportunity to earn your calories before the BTC Holiday
Party: the JackRabbit Indoor Tri!

The first event is on Sunday Dec 10th at the Prospect Park YMCA.
Anyone who has done one can tell you it's a hoot.  This year we're
doing a club points program, and Brooklyn Tri Club should be able to
CLEAN UP at this race.  There's also an individual championships event
at Asphalt Green on March 18th, so this is a great race to use as your
qualifier.

There are still slots available, but if you want to get the start time
you prefer you should sign up soon!

For more information and registration, go to www.jackrabbitsports.com.

Hope to see you all there!

Lee

#2019 From: "jaydawgekj" <emilynyc@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:48 pm
Subject: BTC Holiday Party Sunday December 10th
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All are welcome (yes, even non-athletic friends and family) at the
Brooklyn Tri Club's Holiday Party, Sunday December 10th at 7 PM.  The
party will be held in the basement of the Park Slope Ale House, 356 6TH
Ave (Cross Street: Between 5th Street and 4th Street).  (The Ale House
is conveniently located across the street from Jon Cane's studio.)  No
host bar (upstairs), food is available for order.

#2018 From: "jaydawgekj" <emilynyc@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: Bikram Yoga - tonight at 8pm
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Way to go! Can't wait to hear all about Australia.

--- In Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com, "msbellino"
<msbellino@...> wrote:
>
> I'll come along. I am back from Worlds in Australia & feeling like I
> could use a good stretch. I placed second for US women and 12th in
my
> age group overall. The brooklyn tri club bike case returned safely
> with me and is ready for the next triathlete.
> -Marianne
>
>
> --- In Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com, Tony Claudino
> <tclaudino@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry about that.  It is located on Flatbush between 7th and 6th.
> next to franny's restaurant.
> >
> > Here is their website:
> > http://www.bikramyogaparkslope.com
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > tony
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Reid Boyce <reidboycemd@>
> > To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:10:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club] Bikram Yoga - tonight at
8pm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >             Where is Bikram Yoga?
> >
> > Tony Claudino <tclaudino@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >       Jose and I will be going to Bikram Yoga tonight at 8pm. We
> would love other Brooklyn Tri members to join.
> > If there is a large interest we can talk to them about some times
> specific for the club...
> >
> > You have to be pretty hydrated before going... It is not easy.
> >
> > tony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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#2017 From: "Jonathan Cane" <jonathan@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:26 am
Subject: Re: Vo2 Max
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Catherine:

I'm always happy to put on my lab coat and dust off the grad school
texts, so feel free to write directly or call if you want more info.

Off the top of my head, for women in the 25-35 year old range, a VO2
max of 35 is probably about average, and you'd expect to see values in
the high 40s-low 50s for well trained female endurance athletes.  VO2
is generally expressed in milliliters of oxygen per kilogram of body
weight per minute, or ml/kg/min.  Because it's relative to body
weight, a lighter athlete will typically rank higher when using such
such terms. In some athletes (such as rowers) who don't have to carry
their weight, you'll see VO2 expressed in absolute terms
(liters/minute regardless of weight) in which case larger athletes
will generally score higher.

There are a couple of other things to keep in mind.  VO2 max is
largely limited by genetics, meaning that if your score is 35, no
matter how hard you train, you'll never 70.  (That assumes that your
weight stays the same.)  Also, while VO2 max is important, a far
better predictor of performance is VO2 at lactate threshold.  That
*can* be trained - which means there's hope for those of us who picked
the wrong parents ;-)

--- In Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com, "journalistcatherine"
<stlouis@...> wrote:
>
> I know someone of you have had your VO2max checked. I'm planning to
> get mine done next week and so I'm wondering, what's a ballpark number
> for an age group triathlete woman? Lance Armstrong is an 83 - or was.
> I want to have some sense of whether when they tell me I'm a 40, of
> whether that's embarrasingly low or whether I'm above average. Any
> advice is appreciated. Catherine
>

#2016 From: "Josean" <jalzorriz@...>
Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:09 am
Subject: Re: Re: Bikram Yoga - tonight at 8pm
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Hi! Tony and I went last night, not tonight. Jose
Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile.

-----Original Message-----
From: msbellino <msbellino@...>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:58:13
To:Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club] Re: Bikram Yoga - tonight at 8pm

I'll come along. I am back from Worlds in Australia & feeling like I
  could use a good stretch. I placed second for US women and 12th in my
  age group overall. The brooklyn tri club bike case returned safely
  with me and is ready for the next triathlete.
  -Marianne

  --- In Brooklyn_Triathlon_: <mailto:Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club%40yahoogroups.com>
Club@yahoogroups.com, Tony Claudino
  <tclaudino@...> wrote:
  >
  > Sorry about that. It is located on Flatbush between 7th and 6th.
  next to franny's restaurant.
  >
  > Here is their website:
  > http://www.bikramyo: <http://www.bikramyogaparkslope.com> gaparkslope.com
  >
  > thanks
  >
  > tony
  > ----- Original Message ----
  > From: Reid Boyce <reidboycemd@...>
  > To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_: <mailto:Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club%40yahoogroups.com>
Club@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:10:24 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club] Bikram Yoga - tonight at 8pm
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Where is Bikram Yoga?
  >
  > Tony Claudino <tclaudino@yahoo. com> wrote:
  > Jose and I will be going to Bikram Yoga tonight at 8pm. We
  would love other Brooklyn Tri members to join.
  > If there is a large interest we can talk to them about some times
  specific for the club...
  >
  > You have to be pretty hydrated before going... It is not easy.
  >
  > tony
  >
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#2015 From: "msbellino" <msbellino@...>
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:58 pm
Subject: Re: Bikram Yoga - tonight at 8pm
msbellino
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I'll come along. I am back from Worlds in Australia & feeling like I
could use a good stretch. I placed second for US women and 12th in my
age group overall. The brooklyn tri club bike case returned safely
with me and is ready for the next triathlete.
-Marianne


--- In Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com, Tony Claudino
<tclaudino@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry about that.  It is located on Flatbush between 7th and 6th.
next to franny's restaurant.
>
> Here is their website:
> http://www.bikramyogaparkslope.com
>
> thanks
>
> tony
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Reid Boyce <reidboycemd@...>
> To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club] Bikram Yoga - tonight at 8pm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Where is Bikram Yoga?
>
> Tony Claudino <tclaudino@yahoo. com> wrote:
>       Jose and I will be going to Bikram Yoga tonight at 8pm. We
would love other Brooklyn Tri members to join.
> If there is a large interest we can talk to them about some times
specific for the club...
>
> You have to be pretty hydrated before going... It is not easy.
>
> tony
>
>
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#2014 From: "journalistcatherine" <stlouis@...>
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:08 pm
Subject: Vo2 Max
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I know someone of you have had your VO2max checked. I'm planning to
get mine done next week and so I'm wondering, what's a ballpark number
for an age group triathlete woman? Lance Armstrong is an 83 - or was.
I want to have some sense of whether when they tell me I'm a 40, of
whether that's embarrasingly low or whether I'm above average. Any
advice is appreciated. Catherine

#2013 From: Tony Claudino <tclaudino@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:57 pm
Subject: Re: Bikram Yoga - tonight at 8pm
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Sorry about that.  It is located on Flatbush between 7th and 6th. next to franny's restaurant.

Here is their website:
http://www.bikramyogaparkslope.com

thanks

tony
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Where is Bikram Yoga?

Tony Claudino <tclaudino@yahoo. com> wrote:

Jose and I will be going to Bikram Yoga tonight at 8pm. We would love other Brooklyn Tri members to join. 
If there is a large interest we can talk to them about some times specific for the club...

You have to be pretty hydrated before going... It is not easy.

tony





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#2012 From: Reid Boyce <reidboycemd@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:10 pm
Subject: Re: Bikram Yoga - tonight at 8pm
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Where is Bikram Yoga?

Tony Claudino <tclaudino@...> wrote:
Jose and I will be going to Bikram Yoga tonight at 8pm. We would love other Brooklyn Tri members to join. 
If there is a large interest we can talk to them about some times specific for the club...

You have to be pretty hydrated before going... It is not easy.

tony





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#2011 From: "Sarah Wenk" <smw380@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:41 pm
Subject: NYSC discount coupons
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it's that time again, i have some discount coupons for new memberships at new
york sports
club. if you'd like one, please email me.

sarah

#2010 From: Tony Claudino <tclaudino@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:18 pm
Subject: Bikram Yoga - tonight at 8pm
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Jose and I will be going to Bikram Yoga tonight at 8pm. We would love other Brooklyn Tri members to join. 
If there is a large interest we can talk to them about some times specific for the club...

You have to be pretty hydrated before going... It is not easy.

tony




#2009 From: jolanta grabianowska <jogra2001@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:17 am
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Dear Sarah
Please E-Mail me a picture of the wheels. Please state the price and any other information about the wheels that I might need.
Thank You
Sandy at : Jogra2001@...

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I have a pair of Spinergy race wheels that I don't need. My dad gave them to me, and he's
fanatical about taking care of his stuff, so they're in great shape. If you're interested, I can
email you a picture of them, or you can drop by and take a look.

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#2008 From: "Sarah Wenk" <smw380@...>
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:47 am
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I have a pair of Spinergy race wheels that I don't need. My dad gave them to me,
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interested, I can
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#2007 From: Lee Silverman <lsilverman@...>
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:00 pm
Subject: JackRabbit Indoor Triathlon Series 2007
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JackRabbit

Indoor Triathlon Series

2007

A truly unique event – JackRabbit's Indoor Tri series gives athletes of all levels a chance to race a triathlon during a New York City winter.  Swim for 10 minutes, bike for 30 minutes, run for 20 minutes, and see how far you can go! 

 

This year we have four confirmed events:

Sunday Dec 10th                 Prospect Park YMCA         8am to 1pm

Register now  for Prospect Park

Sunday Jan 21st                  Asphalt Green                     3pm to 7pm

Register now  for Asphalt Green

Sunday Feb 25th                 McBurney YMCA                8am to 1pm

Register now  for McBurney YMCA 

Sunday March 18th             Asphalt Green                     3pm to 7pm CHAMPIONSHIPS

 

New this year!

This year we are introducing two new features to the Indoor Triathlon Series:

INDIVIDUAL CHAMPIONSHIPS: The top finishers in each race will qualify to enter the Indoor Tri Championships at Asphalt Green on March 18th.  Each participant will get a special Indoor Tri race shirt available only to participants in the championships, and the winners will receive a trophy and a gift certificate to the store for free gear and a free bike fitting.

CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS: The club with the most total points will receive a discount club night at JackRabbit in April, 2007, so all club members can save some money while gearing up for the season.  Race fast, and race often, and buy your team-mates some great deals!

 

How does an Indoor Triathlon Work?

Each participant signs up for an approximate start time during registration.  We start 6 people every 15 minutes throughout the event.  Please arrive at least 45 minutes before your start time to allow plenty of time to change and get organized.

The race is broken into three segments, totaling 60 minutes of racing: 10 minutes in the pool, 30 minutes on a spin bike, and 20 minutes on a treadmill. Transition times are fixed between events and do not count toward participants' scores. Racers should bring their own towels for use during and after the race.

Racers are graded on a curve—the furthest distance in each category gets 100, the shortest gets 1, and the "score" for the race is the total number of points. All three events count equally towards the final score. (Racers will also see the raw data used to compute each score).

In the pool: We will have no more than two racers in any lane in the pool at any one time. Each group of racers will start at the same time, and the "head ref" for the pool will use a whistle to mark the start and stop time. No diving starts (two people in a lane, remember).  When the stop whistle goes off, all racers must stop in place. Racers who have made it more than halfway down a lane will be given credit for ˝ of a lap. Racers who move after they have come to a stop and before they have been given permission by the head ref will lose credit for one lap. Racers must wear a swim cap, and cannot wear wetsuits. Hands and feet must be uncovered (No paddles, gloves, fins, boots, etc). No snorkels. No "thong" bathing suits.

Transition 1: Racers will be given between 10-15 minutes to go to the locker room, change into clothing for cycling & running, get to the cycling room, and adjust the seat, handlebar height, and resistance of the spin bike. We do not want people getting injured by slipping & falling in their rush to get to the bikes, so we give plenty of transition time. Furthermore, in some facilities the only way to get to the bikes from the pool is via a rather slow elevator, or several flights of stairs, so we need to allow for that in each facility.

On the bike: Racers can set the resistance on the spin bikes to whatever they want, and can adjust the handlebar height & seat height to whatever they want. Since this is a spin bike, the implication is that the person with the highest sustained RPM will record the highest score. Racers can adjust their bike mid-ride if they desire. Racers can not bring their own pedals—we will provide pedals with toeclips. (Asphalt Green has special pedals for clip-in cycling shoes).  Each bike will be outfitted with a bike computer that will measure "distance" by counting the number of times the flywheel goes around. All computers will have the same circumference programmed in to measure distance, and we'll try to make it accurate to the circumference of the spin bike wheel so the "distance" reported has some basis in reality. However it is NOT meant to correspond exactly to the actual distance cycled. Bike computers will not show cadence. The head ref for the bike area will ensure that the trip counter on each bike computer is reset to zero before each group starts, and that nobody false-starts. Racers will be allowed to bring two water bottles with them for the bike, each of which must fit in the water bottle holders provided on the bike.

Transition 2: There will not be a formal transition area for T2, however racers may choose to bring a change of shoes, a second water bottle, and any nutritional products they would like to consume which they can keep in a duffel bag.  Racers will be allowed a relatively short time to transition from the bike room to the run room, but the exact time will depend on the facility.

On the run: Runs will be done on the treadmills that are provided by the facility. We will make an effort to ensure that all treadmills are of the same brand and are calibrated accurately, but cannot guarantee that all treadmills are exactly calibrated. The maximum speed on most treadmills is 10 or 12 mph, which is slower than the top speed of some runners. Therefore, runners may choose to set the incline to receive a multiplier on their run distance. While the runner may change their speed during the run segment, they may NOT change the incline—it must be set before the start button is pressed. Any racer that adjusts the incline during the run will be treated as though the entire run had been done at 0% incline. For every 1% incline, the measured run distance will be increased by 5%. That is, if you run at a 1% incline your total distance will be multiplied by 1.05. If you run at a 5.5% incline then your distance will be multiplied by 1.275. If you run at a 10% incline then your distance will be multiplied by 1.5. Etc. The head ref for the run area will ensure that no racer presses their start button before the start is called and that all racers press their stop buttons within five seconds of stop being called.

 

Scoring

Volunteers will record the distances for each racer in each event. Distances are: number of laps swum accurate to 0.5 laps (could be a 20 or 25 yard pool depending on the facility we use); "miles" cycled as reported by the trip computer accurate to 1/100 of a mile; distance run on the treadmill accurate to 1/100 mile and the incline of the run accurate to 0.5%. The run will be the adjusted distance computed using the formula above and rounded to the nearest 0.001. Each of these scores will be reported to the racer after they are done with the segment, and will be validated by the head ref of that area. Any protests will be noted at the time they are recorded, but the judgment of the head ref of each area is final and no adjustments will be performed to the racers score after the fact.

After all participants have completed the race, a score will be computed for each event. If "s" is the shortest distance recorded in that event and "f" is the longest distance recorded in that event, and "a" is that racer's actual distance, then each person will be given a score of 100.0-((f-a)/(f-s))*99.0, rounded to the nearest 0.1, for that event. That is, the furthest distance will receive 100.0, the shortest distance will receive 1.0, and anything inbetween will be linearly interpolated beteeen the two. The racer's total score will be computed by adding their scores for all three events.

 

What You Should Wear and Bring

Some tips for new and experienced participants:

§       You start the event in a swimsuit if you wish, because you'll have time and privacy to change.  Chlorine eats up tri-specific apparel, so we don't want you to wreck your gear.

§       For the bike and the run, we strongly recommend triathlon specific shorts.  If you don't own and don't want tri specific clothing, a pair of running shorts is a much better choice than a pair of cycling shorts, because you won't have time to change between the bike and run.

§       Women should wear a triathlon specific top and/or a sports bra that is supportive enough to run in for 20 minutes.  Men should wear the lightest possible shirt, such as a singlet or a tri specific top.  The spin bike rooms in all of these facilities are HOT, so be prepared to sweat profusely.

§       Cycling & running shoes.  If you have cycling specific shoes, please bring them.  Asphalt Green has pedals on their bikes that accommodate cycling shoes; the other two facilities do not, to our knowledge.  We will update this document with a list of which facilities support cycling shoes and what type of cleat is supported.

§       Water bottle: water will be available at all facilities, but please bring your own water bottle.  If you want to use a sports drink, please bring it.  We currently do not have a sports drink sponsor, so we plan to provide only water. 

§       Energy gels: We may or may not provide energy gels at each event, so if you plan to use energy gels please bring them with you.

§       Towel: Some facilities will provide towels in the locker rooms.  These facilities limit us to one towel per participant, so please bring an additional towel for yourself that you can use during and after the bike segment.

Participants are responsible for everything they bring to the race.  Race organizers and the host facilities take absolutely no responsibility for items lost or damaged during the event. 

 

Championships

Individual Championships

There are 72 race slots available in the championship event.  Once the number of events has been finalized, those race slots will be distributed evenly between all of the events.  An equal number of slots will be available for men and women at each event. 

In each event, the top finishers as measured by total score will receive qualifying slots.  There is no differentiation for participant age, just gender.  Notification will be sent to each qualifier via email within 48 hours of the event finish.  Slots will "roll down" at each event in two cases: first, if one of the top finishers has already qualified, their slot will roll down.  Second, if the qualifying individual declines the spot or does not respond to the notification within 48 hours, the slot will roll down.  If there are qualifying slots left over for either gender, those slots will roll to THE NEXT EVENT, and will not roll to the other gender.  Our goal is for the championship event to have 36 men and 36 women.

If you want to maximize your chances of getting a slot, participate in more races.  The first races may be more competitive, so people who don't get a slot in the first race might get one in the second or third when those faster competitors have already secured their spots.  (Then you can beat them at the championships!)  The first races might also be less well attended, improving the odds for participants in those races.  Either way, if you race frequently and race fast, you're more likely to get a championship slot.

Training tips:

  1. The highest bike scores are achieved by people who can spin at a very high RPM for 30 minutes.  Typically that's done by setting the wheel resistance to zero.  That's a very different skill from regular cycling, and you'll benefit greatly from practice.  If you have an indoor bike trainer, practice riding in an easy gear at a cadence of 110 or more.  Even better if you can practice on a spin bike, because the fixed-gear flywheel of a spin bike is different than the freewheel of a regular bike – you can't coast on a spin bike.
  2. The highest run scores are achieved by people who use an incline, because of the formula for increasing your effective distance with every % of incline.  New Yorkers don't get much chance to run uphill for 20 minutes outdoors, so practice running at steeper and steeper inclines for longer and longer intervals on a treadmill.
  3. Running after you've been spinning is QUITE challenging, especially at the cadences we see on the spin bikes with no resistance.  If possible, practice running on a treadmill after a high cadence spin on the bike.  This type of workout – a bike followed immediately by a run – is called a "brick" and is the essential element in training for any triathlon.

All participants in the Indoor Tri Championship race will receive a special commemorative shirt that can be worn with pride at races throughout the season.  The top 3 male and top 3 female finishers will receive a trophy, and will receive gift certificates for $100, $200, and $300 worth of merchandise at JackRabbit, and all will also receive a gift certificate for a free bike fitting with two of the top fitters in the United States, Jon Blyer and Sue Stanley.

JackRabbit employees will be included in the contests for qualifying slots at the events, but will be excluded from the rankings in the championships and will be ineligible for prizes.

Club Championships

During registration or anytime before the end of the race, participants can specify that they are racing on behalf of a club or organization.  After every event, the race score for each participant will be added to the total score for each organization.  JackRabbit will post club standings on our web site within 48 hours of each event.  Race scores from all of the in-season events as well as the Indoor Triathlon Championships will be included in the organization totals.  Organizations can increase their scores by encouraging members to participate – every participant adds to the total score.  Organizations should also encourage their faster members to participate often, because their scores will increase the total quickly.

Awards Ceremony

JackRabbit will host an awards ceremony in late March to celebrate the winners of the Indoor Triathlon Championships, to recognize other outstanding competitors, and to award the club championship to the organization with the highest total score.  All race participants will receive invitations to the ceremony, which will also be open to anyone interested in participating.  There may be a nominal registration fee for the awards ceremony to cover the cost of location, food, and drinks, and if so the individuals receiving awards will be exempted from the registration fee.



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#2006 From: Niklas Persson <nickperss@...>
Date: Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:23 am
Subject: Re: 70.3 races
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I will try to go to Texas the 24 of June for Buffalo Springs Lake 70.3 , hot, tough, scenic course

Phil Noyes <pdnoyes@...> wrote:
OK, so now I have gotten a taste of the 70.3 world
championships thing, and I am doing exactly what the
race organizers want you to do - trying to figure out
how to qualify for next year...
I have registered for Timberman but I would also like
to do one in the spring. Eagleman is sold out so I am
considering the Florida (5/20) one and the Baja (6/10)
one. Anyone know anything about these?
Anyone else interested??

phil

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#2005 From: "David Rodriguez" <gothamology@...>
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: Article in NY Times - Double your endurance!
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How much red wine do I have to drink?

On 16/11/06, loulebleu <laura@...> wrote:
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> Wow.
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#2004 From: "David Rodriguez" <gothamology@...>
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:48 pm
Subject: Re: 70.3 races
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I did Florida earlier this year. It was very flat and fast, but I was
ill-prepared for the heat. I can give you the complete briefing if you
need it.

I'd go out to Wildflower to camp, support, and get inspired to go faster.

On 15/11/06, Smith, John (USANYE) <john.smith4@...> wrote:
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> Guys,
>      I am thinking about doing either the St Croix 70.3 (which is a 70.3
> Worlds + Hawaii Qualifier) or Wildflower HIM the first week of May - it
> would be great if we could get a group of us from Brooklyn Tri to go out to
> either race to start the year - more fun with a group, probably save some $
> and, as Phil and I can attest, its always helpful with the inevitable
> logistical snafus.   Let me know if there is any interest and we can get
> together to make plans.
> Jack
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Blyer
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:37 PM
> To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club] 70.3 races
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>
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> I'm signed up for Vineman on July 22 or 23 in Sonoma county CA.  It's
> supposed to be a beautiful race and it's a qualifier for 70.3 and Hawaii.
>
>
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> To: brooklyn_triathlon_club@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:52:25 PM
> Subject: [Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club] 70.3 races
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>
>
> OK, so now I have gotten a taste of the 70.3 world
> championships thing, and I am doing exactly what the
> race organizers want you to do - trying to figure out
> how to qualify for next year...
> I have registered for Timberman but I would also like
> to do one in the spring. Eagleman is sold out so I am
> considering the Florida (5/20) one and the Baja (6/10)
> one. Anyone know anything about these?
> Anyone else interested??
>
> phil
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#2003 From: "loulebleu" <laura@...>
Date: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:40 am
Subject: Article in NY Times - Double your endurance!
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#2002 From: "George Reagan" <georgereagan@...>
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:07 pm
Subject: Re: the draft
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I guess my point of view is not as up to date since I haven't raced for almost three years now..ugh! This is definitely an area where all of us can make a difference in a sport that we really enjoy but that could be ruined by the need to win at all costs.  I like the idea of beginning something like the "Fair Play" message that was a big part of international soccer.  I'm unsure of whether or not it had a succesful impact on the level of play but at least the image it portrayed was very positive.  A "Fair Play" banner was marched out at the beginning of every game and players walked into the stadium holding the hand of a child.  Maybe we can come up with something similar and get other clubs, race directors, even the USAT on board. Again, just some crazy thoughts.....

 


From: Luis Figueroa <lefigue@...>
Reply-To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club] the draft
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:43:21 -0800 (PST)

I remember those packs two years ago.  It was my first Dua and I did the first run very conservatively. When I got on the bike expecting to ride hard I was blocked by packs. It was a negative experience. To Dan's credit he made a strong point at the Queens Dua (his next event) to stress that drafting was illegal.  As our sport becomes more popular we can expect more of this since unethical behavior is winked at, as long as you don't get caught.  I think the participants at Clearwater should email the USAT to share their views. I am pretty sure USAT already knows but more pressure on them and the Race Director will help
 
Luis Figueroa


----- Original Message ----
From: Phil Noyes <pdnoyes@yahoo.com>
To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:48:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club] the draft

It is a problem in NY races as well. Even the NY Tri
races it has been an issue. It was so bad at the
Bronx a couple of years ago (?) that one athlete
refused to accept his award.

--- George Reagan <georgereagan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

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From a race director's point of view it's pretty
interesting to read your feedback on the race. You
would think that the organizers of a race of this
level could have prevented these problems and that
athletes at this level would not cheat. Although we
have similar problems in control (for example two
ciclysts did the bike segment of the Prospect Park
Fall Du without their helmets, ugh!) but with less
participants and less pressure it's good to know that
we're not the only ones. The first thought that
occurred to me when reading this report was that I
don't remember having or ever hearing of similar
problems in any races in the NYC area. I wonder if
the athletes who participated were a bigger factor in
that up here the athletes have less interest in
cheating as opposed to athletes from other places.
This might be an area where clubs can have an impact
by finding a way to send a clear message to their
members about not cheating. It's an area that for the
moment is left up to the race organizer to deal with
but I think that clubs and trainers can have just as
big an impact if not more on dissuading their fellow
athletes from cheating. I know as an athlete how
tempting it is to just fall behind that other bike for
a couple of seconds but somehow I've avoided it and
just deal with the pain. I feel that because others
around me in the NYC area races seemed to share that
feeling and as a result wasn't further tempted to
draft. If I had noticed a lot of other athletes
cheating I think back and believe that it might have
made the idea of cheating easier to accept.
Anyways....just some thoughts...

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From: cr2130@columbia. edu
Reply-To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_ Club@yahoogroups .com
To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_ Club@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Brooklyn_Triathlon _Club] the draft
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:02:12 -0500

I was discussing this exact issue via email yesterday.
Having only 1
lane for bikes & the other open to traffic wasn't a
good idea. It
was hard to get around packs of bikes to the left &
people to the
right got squeezed over into the cones & traffic. Some
people were
seriously cheating & riding in the peloton. But from
what I saw &
did, most tried to get out in front or hang back the
legal distance
(which also sucked because you couldn't pass when you
wanted to
until the road widened or another bike tucked in).

On the causeway after the halfway point, the riding
became the most
dangerous with only one narrow lane for bikes with a
cement wall on
the left that made passing hard especially when
catching up to
people riding in packs. I spent lots of energy
screaming "On your
left, on your left!!" When I was finally able to pull
to the front
& pass the cheaters (some blatant others just riding
scared in a
straight line), the peloton would suck up behind me &
then lock me
in on the right. It's a miracle that I didn't get side
swiped by
another wheel, hit an orange cone or get pushed into
traffic. In
fact, I saw one accident of about five bikes & heard
of one other
major crash. I feel bad for all those people.

At the turn around on the causeway at about mile 33, I
took off like
a maniac. This was the best & cleanest part of the
race. The last
1/4 of the race was the most congested because by then
I had caught
up to slower riders and there were a lot more turns.
At one point, I
had to actually stop & get off of my bike because
people were backed
up trying to roll over a timing mat. Riding up Drew
road, I found
myself to the right rather than the left of the cones
because there
was nowhere to pass.

I'm sure 70.3 will respond to this problem by some or
all of the
following: 1)changing the race location and/or bike
course, 2)making
the waves smaller & spaced further apart (all women
went off
together-too crowded),3)more marshalls on the course
(I was praying
that the packs would get stuck in the penalty tent,
but I didn't see
any), and 4)closing certain roads to traffic
completely.

For a first time effort, I think 70.3 Ironman & the
city of
Clearwater did a reasonably good job. It's never good
news when
people get hurt. Think I'll start doing time trial
races & avoid
all this nonsense! I enjoy riding against the clock
anyway.
If we're not having fun in the sport, what's the
point.
Best,
--Cristi

Quoting Phil Noyes <pdnoyes@yahoo. com>:

> I just read this email from Anthony and since I just
> posted a message saying that I was interested in
going
> back, I do want to respond.
>
> The accident sounds horrible. My only hope is that
it
> can be a wake-up call for race organizers. I do put
> a lot of blame on the organizers – the bike area was
> too narrow, there were too many opportunities for
> crossing traffic, and riders were bunched together.
> Drafting issue is a serious problem. It was gross –
> there were massive packs and the officials didn’t
give
> nearly enough penalties. I started yelling at some
> folks during the race, but that didn’t seem to be a
> reasonable solution. The pack is a magnet – you
> really need to fight to stay out of it. Both race
> officials and competitors need to be assertive in
> preventing drafting. Unfortunately drafting happens
> in a lot of races, even some of the most competitive
-
> Blyer mentioned to there was a lot of drafting in
the
> Hawaii. I hope the sport will evolve and move beyond
> ambivalence about this issue. Any thoughts on how
> to get beyond drafting???
>
> However, having said all that, I am willing to give
> Clearwater another tri... The solution is not
> difficult – longer gaps between the waves,
physically
> blocking off cross traffic to only a few locations,
> wider lanes, a clear message about drafting and
> stronger policing of the rules.
>
> phil
>
>
> --- Katherine Ward <katiedoes_inc@ hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > Did this crash or the peletons effect You guys?
> > Phil, Cristi, Jack? What
> > are your thoughts on the way the race was run?
> >
> >
> > >From: "ANTHONY CARILLO" <afcarillo@hotmail. com>
> > >To: ebaker@gfcap. com, mlong1@.... com,
> > bmurray@murraycapit al.com,
> > >ln_morgado@yahoo. com, ACherniack@Bear. com,
> > PWeiss@asphaltgreen .org,
> > >josh@pushhard. com, katiedoes_inc@ hotmail.com,
> > tjdor@optonline. net,
> > >dlipsius@hotmail. com, APMOTOLA@aol. com,
> > john.carillo@ jpmorgan. com,
> > >joe.carillo@ omd.com
> > >Subject: FW: CORRECTED VERSION
> > >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:30:11 +0000
> > >
> > >this letter is from a friend/client that i
coached
> > last season and
> > >unfortunately had a horrible bike accident in the
> > 70.3 championship in
> > >clearwater over the weekend. he was riding behind
> > me and i so easily
> > >could've been down in this crash as well - it
> > destroyed the rest of the
> > >race for me and was my most terrible tri race
> > experience in 10 years
> > >competing. it sounded like a car crash and i was
> > afraid to look back to
> > >see the damages - i knew it was inevitably going
to
> > happen the way these
> > >guys were breaking all the rules, riding so
> > reckless, race marshalls not
> > >doing their job, and the course itself so unsafe.
> > i was just counting my
> > >blessings that i was at the front of the pack,
and
> > praying that Scott
> > >Stackman wasn't seriously hurt or miraculously
> > escaped going down.
> > >unfortunately, he wasn't so lucky as you can read
> > in his letter to the WTC
> > >and race director.
> > >
> > >i would never go back to this championship unless
> > major changes are made
> > >next year.
> > >
> > >sorry about the negative energy - weekend was
> > fantastic otherwise -
> > >celebrating my 2nd wedding anniversary with Amy
and
> > Ally turning 15 months
> > >old! - Anthony
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Stackman, Scott"
> > <scott.stackman@ lehman.com>
> > >>To: "Stackman, Scott"
<scott.stackman@ lehman.com>
> > >>CC: "Allison Caccoma"
> > <allison@allisoncacc omainc.com>,"Cliff Scherb"
> > >><cliff16493@aol. com>,"Michael Mann"
> > <M_Mann@starrllc. com>,"ANTHONY
> > >>CARILLO" <afcarillo@hotmail. com>,
> > showky@mondialauto. com
> > >>Subject: FW: CORRECTED VERSION
> > >>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:00:21 -0500
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Scott L. Stackman
> > >>Vice President
> > >>399 Park Avenue
> > >>6th Floor
> > >>New York, NY. 10022
> > >>Phone 212-526-5454
> > >>Fax 212-520-0908
> > >>Cell 917-747-8805
> > >>Email scott.stackman@ lehman.com
> > >>
> > >> >DISCLAIMER: This communication is for
> > information purposes only and
> > >>should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as
a
> > solicitation of an
> > >>offer to buy any financial product, an official
> > confirmation of any
> > >>transaction, or as an official statement of
Lehman
> > Brothers Inc., its
> > >>subsidiaries or affiliates. An email
transmission
> > cannot be guaranteed
> > >>to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not
> > represent that this
> > >>information is complete or accurate and it
should
> > not be relied upon as
> > >>such. All information is subject to change
without
> > notice. Indicative
> > >>valuations are provided for your information
only.
> > Unless otherwise
> > >>specified, indicative valuations are based upon
a
> > good faith estimate of
> > >>the market value for the transaction at
> > approximately the time
> > >>specified, and there is no representation that
any
> > transaction can or
> > >>could have been effected at that price. Lehman
> > Brothers Inc. All rights
> > >>reserved. Member SIPC.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Stackman, Scott
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:49 AM
> > >>To: 'Allison Caccoma'; 'Michael Mann';
> > 'showky@mondialauto .com'
> > >>Cc: Cysner, Natalie; 'Cliff Scherb'
> > >>Subject: FW:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Ironman Inc.
> > >>
> > >>My season is over and I have so much to be
> > thankful for. I completed 4
> > >>half Ironman 1 olympic and my first IM in kona
> > after qualifying through
> > >>the challenged athletes foundation. I set a new
PR
> > for every race I did
> > >>including the world championship in Clearwater.
> > Truth be told though it
> > >>was the worst race of my life. My season is now
> > over due to the
> > >>horrific bike crash I sustained as much as
> > because the season is
> > >>actually over.
> > >>
> > >>I am a huge fan of the Ironman Corporation and
> > everything you do for the
> > >>sport, including those who are less fortunate
ie.
> > Blaseman, Rick and
> > >>Dick Hoyt, and the CAF to name a few. As a
> > business executive who
> > >>focuses on consumer retailing and branding I
> > truly believe the M dot
> > >>branding is textbook and nothing short of
> > spectacular.
> > >>
> > >>However, after witnessing first hand the 70.3
> > world championship in
> > >>Clearwater I must express grave concern that the
> > corporation is
> > >>sacrificing quality of races, and the safety of
> > its athletes that have
> > >>made it successful for public relations and
brand
> > buliding.
> > >>
> > >>I attended the award cerempny as well as read
the
> > local newspapers both
> > >>of which appeared to describe the race as a huge
> > success. Clearly a
> > >>different race than the one I competed in.
> > >>
> > >>Can you blame the athletes? of course since too
> > many showed reckless
> > >>abandonment and lack sportsmanship that I have
> > never witnessed before in
> > >>this sport .
> > >> I have never witnessed so many barbaric acts on
> > the bike or in the
> > >>water. It is the comradery and sportsmanship
that
> > has made me become
> > >>part of this tri family. This was quite
> > disconscerting.
> > >>Could you blame the officials who rode by
peletons
> > of 30-60 cyclists
> > >>without breaking it up? Sure. But unltmately the
> > blame lies on the
> > >>course itself. It was a bike course that was
> > impossible to avoid getting
> > >>sucked up by a pack.
> > >>
> > >>I am sure you will all agree that a succesful
race
> > is not one that puts
> > >>20 plus people in the emergency room overnight,
> > another 40 who went to
> > >>the ER and released, as well as the individuals
> > like myself who were in
> > >>the medical tent for 2 hours and spent the next
2
> > days getting xrays,
> > >>MRI's, as well as taking antibiotics to fight
off
> > infections caused by
> > >>road rash. I am sure you have read the blogs and
> > recieved hundred of
> > >>letters from athletes with concerns such as
mine.
> > >>
> > >>As an avid athlete and admirer for all you do
for
> > the sport please dont
> > >>let all of the letters you will recieve fall on
> > deaf ears and make the
> > >>appropriate changes that will make this sport
and
> > more impportantly all
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
>
>
>
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#2001 From: Luis Figueroa <lefigue@...>
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: the draft
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I remember those packs two years ago.  It was my first Dua and I did the first run very conservatively. When I got on the bike expecting to ride hard I was blocked by packs. It was a negative experience. To Dan's credit he made a strong point at the Queens Dua (his next event) to stress that drafting was illegal.  As our sport becomes more popular we can expect more of this since unethical behavior is winked at, as long as you don't get caught.  I think the participants at Clearwater should email the USAT to share their views. I am pretty sure USAT already knows but more pressure on them and the Race Director will help
 
Luis Figueroa


----- Original Message ----
From: Phil Noyes <pdnoyes@...>
To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:48:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club] the draft

It is a problem in NY races as well. Even the NY Tri
races it has been an issue. It was so bad at the
Bronx a couple of years ago (?) that one athlete
refused to accept his award.

--- George Reagan <georgereagan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

------------ --------- --------- ---


From a race director's point of view it's pretty
interesting to read your feedback on the race. You
would think that the organizers of a race of this
level could have prevented these problems and that
athletes at this level would not cheat. Although we
have similar problems in control (for example two
ciclysts did the bike segment of the Prospect Park
Fall Du without their helmets, ugh!) but with less
participants and less pressure it's good to know that
we're not the only ones. The first thought that
occurred to me when reading this report was that I
don't remember having or ever hearing of similar
problems in any races in the NYC area. I wonder if
the athletes who participated were a bigger factor in
that up here the athletes have less interest in
cheating as opposed to athletes from other places.
This might be an area where clubs can have an impact
by finding a way to send a clear message to their
members about not cheating. It's an area that for the
moment is left up to the race organizer to deal with
but I think that clubs and trainers can have just as
big an impact if not more on dissuading their fellow
athletes from cheating. I know as an athlete how
tempting it is to just fall behind that other bike for
a couple of seconds but somehow I've avoided it and
just deal with the pain. I feel that because others
around me in the NYC area races seemed to share that
feeling and as a result wasn't further tempted to
draft. If I had noticed a lot of other athletes
cheating I think back and believe that it might have
made the idea of cheating easier to accept.
Anyways....just some thoughts...

------------ --------- --------- ---
From: cr2130@columbia. edu
Reply-To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_ Club@yahoogroups .com
To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_ Club@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Brooklyn_Triathlon _Club] the draft
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:02:12 -0500

I was discussing this exact issue via email yesterday.
Having only 1
lane for bikes & the other open to traffic wasn't a
good idea. It
was hard to get around packs of bikes to the left &
people to the
right got squeezed over into the cones & traffic. Some
people were
seriously cheating & riding in the peloton. But from
what I saw &
did, most tried to get out in front or hang back the
legal distance
(which also sucked because you couldn't pass when you
wanted to
until the road widened or another bike tucked in).

On the causeway after the halfway point, the riding
became the most
dangerous with only one narrow lane for bikes with a
cement wall on
the left that made passing hard especially when
catching up to
people riding in packs. I spent lots of energy
screaming "On your
left, on your left!!" When I was finally able to pull
to the front
& pass the cheaters (some blatant others just riding
scared in a
straight line), the peloton would suck up behind me &
then lock me
in on the right. It's a miracle that I didn't get side
swiped by
another wheel, hit an orange cone or get pushed into
traffic. In
fact, I saw one accident of about five bikes & heard
of one other
major crash. I feel bad for all those people.

At the turn around on the causeway at about mile 33, I
took off like
a maniac. This was the best & cleanest part of the
race. The last
1/4 of the race was the most congested because by then
I had caught
up to slower riders and there were a lot more turns.
At one point, I
had to actually stop & get off of my bike because
people were backed
up trying to roll over a timing mat. Riding up Drew
road, I found
myself to the right rather than the left of the cones
because there
was nowhere to pass.

I'm sure 70.3 will respond to this problem by some or
all of the
following: 1)changing the race location and/or bike
course, 2)making
the waves smaller & spaced further apart (all women
went off
together-too crowded),3)more marshalls on the course
(I was praying
that the packs would get stuck in the penalty tent,
but I didn't see
any), and 4)closing certain roads to traffic
completely.

For a first time effort, I think 70.3 Ironman & the
city of
Clearwater did a reasonably good job. It's never good
news when
people get hurt. Think I'll start doing time trial
races & avoid
all this nonsense! I enjoy riding against the clock
anyway.
If we're not having fun in the sport, what's the
point.
Best,
--Cristi

Quoting Phil Noyes <pdnoyes@yahoo. com>:

> I just read this email from Anthony and since I just
> posted a message saying that I was interested in
going
> back, I do want to respond.
>
> The accident sounds horrible. My only hope is that
it
> can be a wake-up call for race organizers. I do put
> a lot of blame on the organizers – the bike area was
> too narrow, there were too many opportunities for
> crossing traffic, and riders were bunched together.
> Drafting issue is a serious problem. It was gross –
> there were massive packs and the officials didn’t
give
> nearly enough penalties. I started yelling at some
> folks during the race, but that didn’t seem to be a
> reasonable solution. The pack is a magnet – you
> really need to fight to stay out of it. Both race
> officials and competitors need to be assertive in
> preventing drafting. Unfortunately drafting happens
> in a lot of races, even some of the most competitive
-
> Blyer mentioned to there was a lot of drafting in
the
> Hawaii. I hope the sport will evolve and move beyond
> ambivalence about this issue. Any thoughts on how
> to get beyond drafting???
>
> However, having said all that, I am willing to give
> Clearwater another tri... The solution is not
> difficult – longer gaps between the waves,
physically
> blocking off cross traffic to only a few locations,
> wider lanes, a clear message about drafting and
> stronger policing of the rules.
>
> phil
>
>
> --- Katherine Ward <katiedoes_inc@ hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > Did this crash or the peletons effect You guys?
> > Phil, Cristi, Jack? What
> > are your thoughts on the way the race was run?
> >
> >
> > >From: "ANTHONY CARILLO" <afcarillo@hotmail. com>
> > >To: ebaker@gfcap. com, mlong1@.... com,
> > bmurray@murraycapit al.com,
> > >ln_morgado@yahoo. com, ACherniack@Bear. com,
> > PWeiss@asphaltgreen .org,
> > >josh@pushhard. com, katiedoes_inc@ hotmail.com,
> > tjdor@optonline. net,
> > >dlipsius@hotmail. com, APMOTOLA@aol. com,
> > john.carillo@ jpmorgan. com,
> > >joe.carillo@ omd.com
> > >Subject: FW: CORRECTED VERSION
> > >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:30:11 +0000
> > >
> > >this letter is from a friend/client that i
coached
> > last season and
> > >unfortunately had a horrible bike accident in the
> > 70.3 championship in
> > >clearwater over the weekend. he was riding behind
> > me and i so easily
> > >could've been down in this crash as well - it
> > destroyed the rest of the
> > >race for me and was my most terrible tri race
> > experience in 10 years
> > >competing. it sounded like a car crash and i was
> > afraid to look back to
> > >see the damages - i knew it was inevitably going
to
> > happen the way these
> > >guys were breaking all the rules, riding so
> > reckless, race marshalls not
> > >doing their job, and the course itself so unsafe.
> > i was just counting my
> > >blessings that i was at the front of the pack,
and
> > praying that Scott
> > >Stackman wasn't seriously hurt or miraculously
> > escaped going down.
> > >unfortunately, he wasn't so lucky as you can read
> > in his letter to the WTC
> > >and race director.
> > >
> > >i would never go back to this championship unless
> > major changes are made
> > >next year.
> > >
> > >sorry about the negative energy - weekend was
> > fantastic otherwise -
> > >celebrating my 2nd wedding anniversary with Amy
and
> > Ally turning 15 months
> > >old! - Anthony
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Stackman, Scott"
> > <scott.stackman@ lehman.com>
> > >>To: "Stackman, Scott"
<scott.stackman@ lehman.com>
> > >>CC: "Allison Caccoma"
> > <allison@allisoncacc omainc.com>,"Cliff Scherb"
> > >><cliff16493@aol. com>,"Michael Mann"
> > <M_Mann@starrllc. com>,"ANTHONY
> > >>CARILLO" <afcarillo@hotmail. com>,
> > showky@mondialauto. com
> > >>Subject: FW: CORRECTED VERSION
> > >>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:00:21 -0500
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Scott L. Stackman
> > >>Vice President
> > >>399 Park Avenue
> > >>6th Floor
> > >>New York, NY. 10022
> > >>Phone 212-526-5454
> > >>Fax 212-520-0908
> > >>Cell 917-747-8805
> > >>Email scott.stackman@ lehman.com
> > >>
> > >> >DISCLAIMER: This communication is for
> > information purposes only and
> > >>should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as
a
> > solicitation of an
> > >>offer to buy any financial product, an official
> > confirmation of any
> > >>transaction, or as an official statement of
Lehman
> > Brothers Inc., its
> > >>subsidiaries or affiliates. An email
transmission
> > cannot be guaranteed
> > >>to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not
> > represent that this
> > >>information is complete or accurate and it
should
> > not be relied upon as
> > >>such. All information is subject to change
without
> > notice. Indicative
> > >>valuations are provided for your information
only.
> > Unless otherwise
> > >>specified, indicative valuations are based upon
a
> > good faith estimate of
> > >>the market value for the transaction at
> > approximately the time
> > >>specified, and there is no representation that
any
> > transaction can or
> > >>could have been effected at that price. Lehman
> > Brothers Inc. All rights
> > >>reserved. Member SIPC.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Stackman, Scott
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:49 AM
> > >>To: 'Allison Caccoma'; 'Michael Mann';
> > 'showky@mondialauto .com'
> > >>Cc: Cysner, Natalie; 'Cliff Scherb'
> > >>Subject: FW:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Ironman Inc.
> > >>
> > >>My season is over and I have so much to be
> > thankful for. I completed 4
> > >>half Ironman 1 olympic and my first IM in kona
> > after qualifying through
> > >>the challenged athletes foundation. I set a new
PR
> > for every race I did
> > >>including the world championship in Clearwater.
> > Truth be told though it
> > >>was the worst race of my life. My season is now
> > over due to the
> > >>horrific bike crash I sustained as much as
> > because the season is
> > >>actually over.
> > >>
> > >>I am a huge fan of the Ironman Corporation and
> > everything you do for the
> > >>sport, including those who are less fortunate
ie.
> > Blaseman, Rick and
> > >>Dick Hoyt, and the CAF to name a few. As a
> > business executive who
> > >>focuses on consumer retailing and branding I
> > truly believe the M dot
> > >>branding is textbook and nothing short of
> > spectacular.
> > >>
> > >>However, after witnessing first hand the 70.3
> > world championship in
> > >>Clearwater I must express grave concern that the
> > corporation is
> > >>sacrificing quality of races, and the safety of
> > its athletes that have
> > >>made it successful for public relations and
brand
> > buliding.
> > >>
> > >>I attended the award cerempny as well as read
the
> > local newspapers both
> > >>of which appeared to describe the race as a huge
> > success. Clearly a
> > >>different race than the one I competed in.
> > >>
> > >>Can you blame the athletes? of course since too
> > many showed reckless
> > >>abandonment and lack sportsmanship that I have
> > never witnessed before in
> > >>this sport .
> > >> I have never witnessed so many barbaric acts on
> > the bike or in the
> > >>water. It is the comradery and sportsmanship
that
> > has made me become
> > >>part of this tri family. This was quite
> > disconscerting.
> > >>Could you blame the officials who rode by
peletons
> > of 30-60 cyclists
> > >>without breaking it up? Sure. But unltmately the
> > blame lies on the
> > >>course itself. It was a bike course that was
> > impossible to avoid getting
> > >>sucked up by a pack.
> > >>
> > >>I am sure you will all agree that a succesful
race
> > is not one that puts
> > >>20 plus people in the emergency room overnight,
> > another 40 who went to
> > >>the ER and released, as well as the individuals
> > like myself who were in
> > >>the medical tent for 2 hours and spent the next
2
> > days getting xrays,
> > >>MRI's, as well as taking antibiotics to fight
off
> > infections caused by
> > >>road rash. I am sure you have read the blogs and
> > recieved hundred of
> > >>letters from athletes with concerns such as
mine.
> > >>
> > >>As an avid athlete and admirer for all you do
for
> > the sport please dont
> > >>let all of the letters you will recieve fall on
> > deaf ears and make the
> > >>appropriate changes that will make this sport
and
> > more impportantly all
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
>
>
>
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#2000 From: Jonathan Blyer <jonblyer@...>
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:21 pm
Subject: Re: FW: AGTC: 70.3 World Championship - a "draft" fest
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Dam.  I can't make out any race numbers.  OUT THEM.
 
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>Date: 16 Nov 2006 13:02:35 -0500
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>if you're interested in seeing what the "bike" race experience was like in
>clearwater over the weekend, take a look at this guy's photo album that was
>posted on slowtwitch.com - it has 4 pictures of the packs that had formed. 
>believe me, (and Scott Stackman who went down as a result of a crash at
>mile 40) as bad and dangerous as they look, this was 'mild' compared to
>what we were swallowed up by. 
>
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#1999 From: Luis Figueroa <lefigue@...>
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: FW: AGTC: 70.3 World Championship - a "draft" fest
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>From: afcarillo@...
>To: katiedoes_inc@...
>Subject: AGTC: 70.3 World Championship - a "draft" fest
>Date: 16 Nov 2006 13:02:35 -0500
>
>
>
>http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=1069875;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;guest=9782258
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>if you're interested in seeing what the "bike" race experience was like in
>clearwater over the weekend, take a look at this guy's photo album that was
>posted on slowtwitch.com - it has 4 pictures of the packs that had formed. 
>believe me, (and Scott Stackman who went down as a result of a crash at
>mile 40) as bad and dangerous as they look, this was 'mild' compared to
>what we were swallowed up by. 
>
>Group: Group Workout
>Title: 70.3 World Championship - a "draft" fest
>Author: Anthony Carillo
>Author Email: afcarillo@...
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#1998 From: "Katherine Ward" <katiedoes_inc@...>
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:24 pm
Subject: FW: AGTC: 70.3 World Championship - a "draft" fest
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>Date: 16 Nov 2006 13:02:35 -0500
>
>
>
>http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=1069875;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC\
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>
>if you're interested in seeing what the "bike" race experience was like in
>clearwater over the weekend, take a look at this guy's photo album that was
>posted on slowtwitch.com - it has 4 pictures of the packs that had formed. 
>believe me, (and Scott Stackman who went down as a result of a crash at
>mile 40) as bad and dangerous as they look, this was 'mild' compared to
>what we were swallowed up by. 
>
>Group: Group Workout
>Title: 70.3 World Championship - a "draft" fest
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#1997 From: Phil Noyes <pdnoyes@...>
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: the draft
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It is a problem in NY races as well.   Even the NY Tri
races it has been an issue.   It was so bad at the
Bronx a couple of years ago (?) that one athlete
refused to accept his award.


--- George Reagan <georgereagan@...> wrote:


---------------------------------


From a race director's point of view it's pretty
interesting to read your feedback on the race.  You
would think that the organizers of a race of this
level could have prevented these problems and that
athletes at this level would not cheat.  Although we
have similar problems in control (for example two
ciclysts did the bike segment of the Prospect Park
Fall Du without their helmets, ugh!) but with less
participants and less pressure it's good to know that
we're not the only ones.  The first thought that
occurred to me when reading this report was that I
don't remember having  or ever hearing of similar
problems in any races in the NYC area.  I wonder if
the athletes who participated were a bigger factor in
that up here the athletes have less interest in
cheating as opposed to athletes from other places.
This might be an area where clubs can have an impact
by finding a way to send a clear message to their
members about not cheating.  It's an area that for the
moment is left up to the race organizer to deal with
but I think that clubs and trainers can have just as
big an impact if not more on dissuading their fellow
athletes from cheating.  I know as an athlete how
tempting it is to just fall behind that other bike for
a couple of seconds but somehow I've avoided it and
just deal with the pain.  I feel that because others
around me in the NYC area races seemed to share that
feeling and as a result wasn't further tempted to
draft.  If I had noticed a lot of other athletes
cheating I think back and believe that it might have
made the idea of cheating easier to accept.
Anyways....just some thoughts...



---------------------------------
From: cr2130@...
Reply-To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club] the draft
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:02:12 -0500


I was discussing this exact issue via email yesterday.
Having only 1
lane for bikes & the other open to traffic wasn't a
good idea. It
was hard to get around packs of bikes to the left &
people to the
right got squeezed over into the cones & traffic. Some
people were
seriously cheating & riding in the peloton. But from
what I saw &
did, most tried to get out in front or hang back the
legal distance
(which also sucked because you couldn't pass when you
wanted to
until the road widened or another bike tucked in).

On the causeway after the halfway point, the riding
became the most
dangerous with only one narrow lane for bikes with a
cement wall on
the left that made passing hard especially when
catching up to
people riding in packs. I spent lots of energy
screaming "On your
left, on your left!!" When I was finally able to pull
to the front
& pass the cheaters (some blatant others just riding
scared in a
straight line), the peloton would suck up behind me &
then lock me
in on the right. It's a miracle that I didn't get side
swiped by
another wheel, hit an orange cone or get pushed into
traffic. In
fact, I saw one accident of about five bikes & heard
of one other
major crash. I feel bad for all those people.

At the turn around on the causeway at about mile 33, I
took off like
a maniac. This was the best & cleanest part of the
race. The last
1/4 of the race was the most congested because by then
I had caught
up to slower riders and there were a lot more turns.
At one point, I
had to actually stop & get off of my bike because
people were backed
up trying to roll over a timing mat. Riding up Drew
road, I found
myself to the right rather than the left of the cones
because there
was nowhere to pass.

I'm sure 70.3 will respond to this problem by some or
all of the
following: 1)changing the race location and/or bike
course, 2)making
the waves smaller & spaced further apart (all women
went off
together-too crowded),3)more marshalls on the course
(I was praying
that the packs would get stuck in the penalty tent,
but I didn't see
any), and 4)closing certain roads to traffic
completely.

For a first time effort, I think 70.3 Ironman & the
city of
Clearwater did a reasonably good job. It's never good
news when
people get hurt. Think I'll start doing time trial
races & avoid
all this nonsense! I enjoy riding against the clock
anyway.
If we're not having fun in the sport, what's the
point.
Best,
--Cristi

Quoting Phil Noyes <pdnoyes@...>:

> I just read this email from Anthony and since I just
> posted a message saying that I was interested in
going
> back, I do want to respond.
>
> The accident sounds horrible. My only hope is that
it
> can be a wake-up call for race organizers. I do put
> a lot of blame on the organizers – the bike area was
> too narrow, there were too many opportunities for
> crossing traffic, and riders were bunched together.
> Drafting issue is a serious problem. It was gross –
> there were massive packs and the officials didn’t
give
> nearly enough penalties. I started yelling at some
> folks during the race, but that didn’t seem to be a
> reasonable solution. The pack is a magnet – you
> really need to fight to stay out of it. Both race
> officials and competitors need to be assertive in
> preventing drafting. Unfortunately drafting happens
> in a lot of races, even some of the most competitive
-
> Blyer mentioned to there was a lot of drafting in
the
> Hawaii. I hope the sport will evolve and move beyond
> ambivalence about this issue. Any thoughts on how
> to get beyond drafting???
>
> However, having said all that, I am willing to give
> Clearwater another tri... The solution is not
> difficult – longer gaps between the waves,
physically
> blocking off cross traffic to only a few locations,
> wider lanes, a clear message about drafting and
> stronger policing of the rules.
>
> phil
>
>
> --- Katherine Ward <katiedoes_inc@...>
wrote:
>
> > Did this crash or the peletons effect You guys?
> > Phil, Cristi, Jack? What
> > are your thoughts on the way the race was run?
> >
> >
> > >From: "ANTHONY CARILLO" <afcarillo@...>
> > >To: ebaker@..., mlong1@...,
> > bmurray@...,
> > >ln_morgado@..., ACherniack@...,
> > PWeiss@...,
> > >josh@..., katiedoes_inc@...,
> > tjdor@...,
> > >dlipsius@..., APMOTOLA@...,
> > john.carillo@...,
> > >joe.carillo@...
> > >Subject: FW: CORRECTED VERSION
> > >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:30:11 +0000
> > >
> > >this letter is from a friend/client that i
coached
> > last season and
> > >unfortunately had a horrible bike accident in the
> > 70.3 championship in
> > >clearwater over the weekend. he was riding behind
> > me and i so easily
> > >could've been down in this crash as well - it
> > destroyed the rest of the
> > >race for me and was my most terrible tri race
> > experience in 10 years
> > >competing. it sounded like a car crash and i was
> > afraid to look back to
> > >see the damages - i knew it was inevitably going
to
> > happen the way these
> > >guys were breaking all the rules, riding so
> > reckless, race marshalls not
> > >doing their job, and the course itself so unsafe.
> > i was just counting my
> > >blessings that i was at the front of the pack,
and
> > praying that Scott
> > >Stackman wasn't seriously hurt or miraculously
> > escaped going down.
> > >unfortunately, he wasn't so lucky as you can read
> > in his letter to the WTC
> > >and race director.
> > >
> > >i would never go back to this championship unless
> > major changes are made
> > >next year.
> > >
> > >sorry about the negative energy - weekend was
> > fantastic otherwise -
> > >celebrating my 2nd wedding anniversary with Amy
and
> > Ally turning 15 months
> > >old! - Anthony
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Stackman, Scott"
> > <scott.stackman@...>
> > >>To: "Stackman, Scott"
<scott.stackman@...>
> > >>CC: "Allison Caccoma"
> > <allison@...>,"Cliff Scherb"
> > >><cliff16493@...>,"Michael Mann"
> > <M_Mann@...>,"ANTHONY
> > >>CARILLO" <afcarillo@...>,
> > showky@...
> > >>Subject: FW: CORRECTED VERSION
> > >>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:00:21 -0500
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>To: 'Allison Caccoma'; 'Michael Mann';
> > 'showky@...'
> > >>Cc: Cysner, Natalie; 'Cliff Scherb'
> > >>Subject: FW:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Ironman Inc.
> > >>
> > >>My season is over and I have so much to be
> > thankful for. I completed 4
> > >>half Ironman 1 olympic and my first IM in kona
> > after qualifying through
> > >>the challenged athletes foundation. I set a new
PR
> > for every race I did
> > >>including the world championship in Clearwater.
> > Truth be told though it
> > >>was the worst race of my life. My season is now
> > over due to the
> > >>horrific bike crash I sustained as much as
> > because the season is
> > >>actually over.
> > >>
> > >>I am a huge fan of the Ironman Corporation and
> > everything you do for the
> > >>sport, including those who are less fortunate
ie.
> > Blaseman, Rick and
> > >>Dick Hoyt, and the CAF to name a few. As a
> > business executive who
> > >>focuses on consumer retailing and branding I
> > truly believe the M dot
> > >>branding is textbook and nothing short of
> > spectacular.
> > >>
> > >>However, after witnessing first hand the 70.3
> > world championship in
> > >>Clearwater I must express grave concern that the
> > corporation is
> > >>sacrificing quality of races, and the safety of
> > its athletes that have
> > >>made it successful for public relations and
brand
> > buliding.
> > >>
> > >>I attended the award cerempny as well as read
the
> > local newspapers both
> > >>of which appeared to describe the race as a huge
> > success. Clearly a
> > >>different race than the one I competed in.
> > >>
> > >>Can you blame the athletes? of course since too
> > many showed reckless
> > >>abandonment and lack sportsmanship that I have
> > never witnessed before in
> > >>this sport .
> > >> I have never witnessed so many barbaric acts on
> > the bike or in the
> > >>water. It is the comradery and sportsmanship
that
> > has made me become
> > >>part of this tri family. This was quite
> > disconscerting.
> > >>Could you blame the officials who rode by
peletons
> > of 30-60 cyclists
> > >>without breaking it up? Sure. But unltmately the
> > blame lies on the
> > >>course itself. It was a bike course that was
> > impossible to avoid getting
> > >>sucked up by a pack.
> > >>
> > >>I am sure you will all agree that a succesful
race
> > is not one that puts
> > >>20 plus people in the emergency room overnight,
> > another 40 who went to
> > >>the ER and released, as well as the individuals
> > like myself who were in
> > >>the medical tent for 2 hours and spent the next
2
> > days getting xrays,
> > >>MRI's, as well as taking antibiotics to fight
off
> > infections caused by
> > >>road rash. I am sure you have read the blogs and
> > recieved hundred of
> > >>letters from athletes with concerns such as
mine.
> > >>
> > >>As an avid athlete and admirer for all you do
for
> > the sport please dont
> > >>let all of the letters you will recieve fall on
> > deaf ears and make the
> > >>appropriate changes that will make this sport
and
> > more impportantly all
> >
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>
>
>
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#1996 From: "George Reagan" <georgereagan@...>
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: the draft
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From a race director's point of view it's pretty interesting to read your feedback on the race.  You would think that the organizers of a race of this level could have prevented these problems and that athletes at this level would not cheat.  Although we have similar problems in control (for example two ciclysts did the bike segment of the Prospect Park Fall Du without their helmets, ugh!) but with less participants and less pressure it's good to know that we're not the only ones.  The first thought that occurred to me when reading this report was that I don't remember having  or ever hearing of similar problems in any races in the NYC area.  I wonder if the athletes who participated were a bigger factor in that up here the athletes have less interest in cheating as opposed to athletes from other places.  This might be an area where clubs can have an impact by finding a way to send a clear message to their members about not cheating.  It's an area that for the moment is left up to the race organizer to deal with but I think that clubs and trainers can have just as big an impact if not more on dissuading their fellow athletes from cheating.  I know as an athlete how tempting it is to just fall behind that other bike for a couple of seconds but somehow I've avoided it and just deal with the pain.  I feel that because others around me in the NYC area races seemed to share that feeling and as a result wasn't further tempted to draft.  If I had noticed a lot of other athletes cheating I think back and believe that it might have made the idea of cheating easier to accept.  Anyways....just some thoughts...


From: cr2130@...
Reply-To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club] the draft
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:02:12 -0500

I was discussing this exact issue via email yesterday. Having only 1
lane for bikes & the other open to traffic wasn't a good idea. It
was hard to get around packs of bikes to the left & people to the
right got squeezed over into the cones & traffic. Some people were
seriously cheating & riding in the peloton. But from what I saw &
did, most tried to get out in front or hang back the legal distance
(which also sucked because you couldn't pass when you wanted to
until the road widened or another bike tucked in).

On the causeway after the halfway point, the riding became the most
dangerous with only one narrow lane for bikes with a cement wall on
the left that made passing hard especially when catching up to
people riding in packs. I spent lots of energy screaming "On your
left, on your left!!" When I was finally able to pull to the front
& pass the cheaters (some blatant others just riding scared in a
straight line), the peloton would suck up behind me & then lock me
in on the right. It's a miracle that I didn't get side swiped by
another wheel, hit an orange cone or get pushed into traffic. In
fact, I saw one accident of about five bikes & heard of one other
major crash. I feel bad for all those people.

At the turn around on the causeway at about mile 33, I took off like
a maniac. This was the best & cleanest part of the race. The last
1/4 of the race was the most congested because by then I had caught
up to slower riders and there were a lot more turns. At one point, I
had to actually stop & get off of my bike because people were backed
up trying to roll over a timing mat. Riding up Drew road, I found
myself to the right rather than the left of the cones because there
was nowhere to pass.

I'm sure 70.3 will respond to this problem by some or all of the
following: 1)changing the race location and/or bike course, 2)making
the waves smaller & spaced further apart (all women went off
together-too crowded),3)more marshalls on the course (I was praying
that the packs would get stuck in the penalty tent, but I didn't see
any), and 4)closing certain roads to traffic completely.

For a first time effort, I think 70.3 Ironman & the city of
Clearwater did a reasonably good job. It's never good news when
people get hurt. Think I'll start doing time trial races & avoid
all this nonsense! I enjoy riding against the clock anyway.
If we're not having fun in the sport, what's the point.
Best,
--Cristi

Quoting Phil Noyes <pdnoyes@yahoo.com>:

> I just read this email from Anthony and since I just
> posted a message saying that I was interested in going
> back, I do want to respond.
>
> The accident sounds horrible. My only hope is that it
> can be a wake-up call for race organizers. I do put
> a lot of blame on the organizers – the bike area was
> too narrow, there were too many opportunities for
> crossing traffic, and riders were bunched together.
> Drafting issue is a serious problem. It was gross –
> there were massive packs and the officials didn’t give
> nearly enough penalties. I started yelling at some
> folks during the race, but that didn’t seem to be a
> reasonable solution. The pack is a magnet – you
> really need to fight to stay out of it. Both race
> officials and competitors need to be assertive in
> preventing drafting. Unfortunately drafting happens
> in a lot of races, even some of the most competitive -
> Blyer mentioned to there was a lot of drafting in the
> Hawaii. I hope the sport will evolve and move beyond
> ambivalence about this issue. Any thoughts on how
> to get beyond drafting???
>
> However, having said all that, I am willing to give
> Clearwater another tri... The solution is not
> difficult – longer gaps between the waves, physically
> blocking off cross traffic to only a few locations,
> wider lanes, a clear message about drafting and
> stronger policing of the rules.
>
> phil
>
>
> --- Katherine Ward <katiedoes_inc@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Did this crash or the peletons effect You guys?
> > Phil, Cristi, Jack? What
> > are your thoughts on the way the race was run?
> >
> >
> > >From: "ANTHONY CARILLO" <afcarillo@hotmail.com>
> > >To: ebaker@gfcap.com, mlong1@....com,
> > bmurray@murraycapital.com,
> > >ln_morgado@yahoo.com, ACherniack@Bear.com,
> > PWeiss@asphaltgreen.org,
> > >josh@pushhard.com, katiedoes_inc@hotmail.com,
> > tjdor@optonline.net,
> > >dlipsius@hotmail.com, APMOTOLA@aol.com,
> > john.carillo@jpmorgan.com,
> > >joe.carillo@omd.com
> > >Subject: FW: CORRECTED VERSION
> > >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:30:11 +0000
> > >
> > >this letter is from a friend/client that i coached
> > last season and
> > >unfortunately had a horrible bike accident in the
> > 70.3 championship in
> > >clearwater over the weekend. he was riding behind
> > me and i so easily
> > >could've been down in this crash as well - it
> > destroyed the rest of the
> > >race for me and was my most terrible tri race
> > experience in 10 years
> > >competing. it sounded like a car crash and i was
> > afraid to look back to
> > >see the damages - i knew it was inevitably going to
> > happen the way these
> > >guys were breaking all the rules, riding so
> > reckless, race marshalls not
> > >doing their job, and the course itself so unsafe.
> > i was just counting my
> > >blessings that i was at the front of the pack, and
> > praying that Scott
> > >Stackman wasn't seriously hurt or miraculously
> > escaped going down.
> > >unfortunately, he wasn't so lucky as you can read
> > in his letter to the WTC
> > >and race director.
> > >
> > >i would never go back to this championship unless
> > major changes are made
> > >next year.
> > >
> > >sorry about the negative energy - weekend was
> > fantastic otherwise -
> > >celebrating my 2nd wedding anniversary with Amy and
> > Ally turning 15 months
> > >old! - Anthony
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Stackman, Scott"
> > <scott.stackman@lehman.com>
> > >>To: "Stackman, Scott" <scott.stackman@lehman.com>
> > >>CC: "Allison Caccoma"
> > <allison@allisoncaccomainc.com>,"Cliff Scherb"
> > >><cliff16493@aol.com>,"Michael Mann"
> > <M_Mann@starrllc.com>,"ANTHONY
> > >>CARILLO" <afcarillo@hotmail.com>,
> > showky@mondialauto.com
> > >>Subject: FW: CORRECTED VERSION
> > >>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:00:21 -0500
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Scott L. Stackman
> > >>Vice President
> > >>399 Park Avenue
> > >>6th Floor
> > >>New York, NY. 10022
> > >>Phone 212-526-5454
> > >>Fax 212-520-0908
> > >>Cell 917-747-8805
> > >>Email scott.stackman@lehman.com
> > >>
> > >> >DISCLAIMER: This communication is for
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> > >>should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a
> > solicitation of an
> > >>offer to buy any financial product, an official
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> > Brothers Inc., its
> > >>subsidiaries or affiliates. An email transmission
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> > >>to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not
> > represent that this
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> > Unless otherwise
> > >>specified, indicative valuations are based upon a
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> > >>specified, and there is no representation that any
> > transaction can or
> > >>could have been effected at that price. Lehman
> > Brothers Inc. All rights
> > >>reserved. Member SIPC.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Stackman, Scott
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:49 AM
> > >>To: 'Allison Caccoma'; 'Michael Mann';
> > 'showky@mondialauto.com'
> > >>Cc: Cysner, Natalie; 'Cliff Scherb'
> > >>Subject: FW:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Ironman Inc.
> > >>
> > >>My season is over and I have so much to be
> > thankful for. I completed 4
> > >>half Ironman 1 olympic and my first IM in kona
> > after qualifying through
> > >>the challenged athletes foundation. I set a new PR
> > for every race I did
> > >>including the world championship in Clearwater.
> > Truth be told though it
> > >>was the worst race of my life. My season is now
> > over due to the
> > >>horrific bike crash I sustained as much as
> > because the season is
> > >>actually over.
> > >>
> > >>I am a huge fan of the Ironman Corporation and
> > everything you do for the
> > >>sport, including those who are less fortunate ie.
> > Blaseman, Rick and
> > >>Dick Hoyt, and the CAF to name a few. As a
> > business executive who
> > >>focuses on consumer retailing and branding I
> > truly believe the M dot
> > >>branding is textbook and nothing short of
> > spectacular.
> > >>
> > >>However, after witnessing first hand the 70.3
> > world championship in
> > >>Clearwater I must express grave concern that the
> > corporation is
> > >>sacrificing quality of races, and the safety of
> > its athletes that have
> > >>made it successful for public relations and brand
> > buliding.
> > >>
> > >>I attended the award cerempny as well as read the
> > local newspapers both
> > >>of which appeared to describe the race as a huge
> > success. Clearly a
> > >>different race than the one I competed in.
> > >>
> > >>Can you blame the athletes? of course since too
> > many showed reckless
> > >>abandonment and lack sportsmanship that I have
> > never witnessed before in
> > >>this sport .
> > >> I have never witnessed so many barbaric acts on
> > the bike or in the
> > >>water. It is the comradery and sportsmanship that
> > has made me become
> > >>part of this tri family. This was quite
> > disconscerting.
> > >>Could you blame the officials who rode by peletons
> > of 30-60 cyclists
> > >>without breaking it up? Sure. But unltmately the
> > blame lies on the
> > >>course itself. It was a bike course that was
> > impossible to avoid getting
> > >>sucked up by a pack.
> > >>
> > >>I am sure you will all agree that a succesful race
> > is not one that puts
> > >>20 plus people in the emergency room overnight,
> > another 40 who went to
> > >>the ER and released, as well as the individuals
> > like myself who were in
> > >>the medical tent for 2 hours and spent the next 2
> > days getting xrays,
> > >>MRI's, as well as taking antibiotics to fight off
> > infections caused by
> > >>road rash. I am sure you have read the blogs and
> > recieved hundred of
> > >>letters from athletes with concerns such as mine.
> > >>
> > >>As an avid athlete and admirer for all you do for
> > the sport please dont
> > >>let all of the letters you will recieve fall on
> > deaf ears and make the
> > >>appropriate changes that will make this sport and
> > more impportantly all
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
>
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#1995 From: "Eloy Anzola" <eloy@...>
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:07 pm
Subject: RE: new bike markers on 5th ave.
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These 'share the road' markers are new to the city and planned for a number of streets (Class III Shared Routes.)

Experts seem to agree that 5th Ave., because all its shops and stores, is a good candidate for a bike lane.

Personally, I disagree and find 5th Ave. dangerous and not at all bicycle friendly. I rather ride 3rd Ave or even 4th.
 
But I'm no expert, so maybe the new signs will make an impact -- they are steps in the right direction.

Streetsblog has a lot more info about it.

http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/13/birth-of-a-class-iii-bike-route/

http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/03/new-bike-markings-for-brooklyns-fifth-ave-this-month/

http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/09/20/endless-summer-on-brooklyns-fifth-avenue/


cheers,

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From: Sarah Wenk
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:24 AM
To: Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Brooklyn_Triathlon_Club] new bike markers on 5th ave.



i thought i sent this message in last night, but i must have posted it somewhere else.

the bike lane on 5th ave. seems to have been replaced, in parts at least, with bike markers
(those white bikes they paint on the street) in the middle of the traffic lanes. there are also
signs on the stoplight posts that say 'bike route/share the road.' i can't decide if it's a good
thing or not. on the one hand, the bike lane is almost always full of parked cars. on the other,
i really don't like trying to compete for space with cars.

does anyone know how/why this came about?

sarah

#1994 From: "Sarah Wenk" <smw380@...>
Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:23 pm
Subject: new bike markers on 5th ave.
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i thought i sent this message in last night, but i must have posted it somewhere
else.

the bike lane on 5th ave. seems to have been replaced, in parts at least, with
bike markers
(those white bikes they paint on the street) in the middle of the traffic lanes.
there are also
signs on the stoplight posts that say 'bike route/share the road.' i can't
decide if it's a good
thing or not. on the one hand, the bike lane is almost always full of parked
cars. on the other,
i really don't like trying to compete for space with cars.


does anyone know how/why this came about?

sarah

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