Re: [BreakfastClubCycling] Got pulled over by "Today"...
Ilka: I am surprised the driver got out that easily. Seems unfair. Last weekend some nutcase passed a car coming down Rist with a double line into a corner while I was going up. Doesn't make cyclists misbehaving a right, but is it just me or the motorists as of late seemingly more dangerous to cyclists?
Steve: did you guys completely blow off the stop sign like it did not exist or do a "California stop"?
Others: I have never been one to run lights even if the light is stuck. I will go right for a bit and make u-turn. I do often California stop at signs when no one is around. I am curious you all are doing right now. Are you coming to a dead grinding put your foot down halt at every stop sign and red light if turning right if no one is present? Or the slow way up to show you acknolwedge the sign; look; then stand up and pedal (the cyclists CA stop)? I realize the former is correct, just curious.
I suppose I need to learn to do a track stand and enjoy the extra calories from a full stop and go.
Jon
----- Original Message ---- From: Ilka Archambault <iarchambau1@...> To: BreakfastClubCycling@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:59:04 PM Subject: Re: [BreakfastClubCycling] Got pulled over by "Today"...
Unfortunately, Steve, right now I seem to lack of sympathy. If there was a stop sign and the group didn't stop ...sorry! TTH or not TTH. I sure hope the Larimer Sheriff is getting serious about traffic violations and hopefully not only as to cyclists but more so as to cars.
By now you probably heard about the dead of Rebecca Allen and I'm wondering when the next idiot car driver drives into another cyclist. This woman did nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong, and for crying out loud, Drake, between Taft Hill and Overland, has a nice shoulder they were riding at and traffic at 5:30 am in the morning is by far from being crazy. I'm still puzzled. I rode by that spot this morning, saw the flowers, ribbons at the light pole she was thrown into, and I was quite shook up. Wrong time, wrong place - bang. Could be any of us. You never will see it coming.
Looks like if you kill someone while driving a car in this town you are off the hook quite easily. Suggest, next time you want to commit murder and walk your best bet is using your car and come up with a good story. The guy already was released. Perhaps someone can explain to me, with a legal age limit for drinking being 21, why a 20 year old who admitted of being drinking and killing someone in the process is not locked up and stays that way? Free country? For who? Car drivers? Now he's running (driving?) freely around ... Yuck!
Subject: [BreakfastClubCycli ng] Got pulled over by "Today"...
All,
Just a quick heads up ("I'll blog more detail later"). The short story is that the TTH lunch group got pulled over today for not stopping at an intersection where a stop sign was present. Anyway, we avoided the $110 fine "each", this time. We got a 15 min lecture.... Moral of the story is that Larimer county is getting serious about enforcing traffic laws where bicyclists are concerned.
All, Just a quick heads up ("I'll blog more detail later"). The short story is that the TTH lunch group got pulled over today for not stopping at an ...
Unfortunately, Steve, right now I seem to lack of sympathy. If there was a stop sign and the group didn't stop ...sorry! TTH or not TTH. I sure hope the...
All, So, I will write more in the blog... Anyway a few more facts. The group made a rolling right turn at that intersection, not blowing straight thru. We...
I can't understand why they didn't book him for vehicular homicide. the paper said he'd be arrested if the blood test showed he was DUI. but I agree.. .it's...
Ilka: I am surprised the driver got out that easily.  Seems unfair.  Last weekend some nutcase passed a car coming down Rist with a double line into a...
Jon, I think I have my Polar HR data which I should be able to give exactly how fast we were going. If I recall, we did slow to about 7 mph, down from about...
That sounds like an "Idaho" stop, which would be completely legal, in Idaho: * Stop signs are essentially Yields for bikes * Stop lights are essentially Stop...
Maybe, as the population of our community grows, there are more motorists and more cyclists and the opportunity for "encounters" increases. Also, stresses...
Well, I must admit with most right hand turns even at red lights I do not come to a full stop and put a foot down, but a little bit of momentum.  I do so in...
Same here. Usually a "slow and go". Would seem that coming to a full stop and putting a foot down, would at times impede traffic more so than a slow and go. ...
Guilty as charged. I think as long as there is no policy around this falls into the same category as the countless drivers I observe on my commute every single...
And should you get the $110 ticket, look at it this way: Amortize the $110 over the past 10 years of cycling and the number of times you've done a "California...
I'm schizophrenic when it comes to stop signs. If I'm commuting I always stop and treat it as an opportunity to practice my trackstand and based on the fact...
I'm the worst, I admit it. I only stop if it isn't safe to go. The exception would be red lights in the daylight hours, there I always stop. On the work...
Unfortunately, Ron, I'm not sure if "track stands" counts in the eyes of the policy. On my commute or when I'm out on solo rides I basically do the same and...
I think a track stand is just fine, look both ways and take time to decide if there is a conflict is critical. It your bike hasn't come to a complete stop,...
So, I think Norm was correct about the riders up front not knowing where they were going and although they didn't stop completely they were probably going no...
To the letter of the law I agree but I think I would actually look forward to my day in court if I was to receive a ticket for doing a track stand stop. Ron ...
I'm with Ron on this one. I have thought if I ever got a ticket for track standing in lieu of putting a foot down, I would have to go to court and demonstrate...
I guess it is time for me to learn. If you have a favorite "how to" article on the Internet, let me know; or your own special tips. Jon ... From: Kent...
The best tip that helped me to learn the track stand came from our own Steve Douglas! Credit where credit is due. Start out somewhere like a driveway that has...
What do you do when you are on a flat flat road?  Pedal against the brakes? Btw, I have a unicycle, and cannot ride it :-). ... From: Kent Winters...
I'm pretty sure that while you can get a ticket for violations on your bike there are no points associated with it. I think it would be hard to justify...
Virtually all roads have some angle, even if it is just the rounded, high in the middle drainage shape. If it is perfectly flat, or sloped downhill, sometimes...
Grasshopper, If the road is flat then one can position the bike under one until one is comfortable with where the bike is. You will know when you have the...
Here's the section from the statutes regarding violations on a bicycle ... (12)(a) Any person who violates any provision of this section commits a class 2...
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