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Re: [BowlingTips101] Re: What makes a great bowler so great?

Senior Brian,
 
the ball hardness does directly affect the amount of turn. i own every ball in the Visionary Bowling Products Gargoyle line. between those 4 balls, one of them is a hard urethane pearl. that ball by far, goes much straighter than the other 3 balls in the line. how do i know this, when i got them and saw that they were all 2" pins, i layed them all out on the same pattern so that the only difference in the 4 balls would be the covers.
 
Slate Gargoyle - urethane pearl
Green Gargoyle - reactive pearl
Violet Gargoyle - reactive
Granite Gargoyle - particle
 
with thses balls all being layed out on the same pattern, it makes it very easy to see the roll amounts in relation to the covers. i can't say that i know bowling balls like the back of my hand, but i can say that the hardest ball i have ever owned is that slate gargoyle and it is the straightest ball in my arsenal besides my white dot. but when the lanes dry up and nothing else seems to skid for me, this ball does. it has about 12 boards of break, but that is from the weight block and where it is positioned in the ball as it transitions down the lane.

shadowman_26 <shadowman_26@...> wrote:
Hardness has nothing to do with how much turn you can get on the
ball. That all comes from your fingers and wrist. As for how soft a
ball can be, they use a durometer scale for check for that. The
minimum requirement for how soft a ball can be is 72D at room
temperatute (68° - 78°F).

If you would like to read about ball specs, look at this page:

http://www.bowl.com/Downloads/pdf/Specs/EquipManual/EQM-
BowlBallSpecific..pdf

Brian

--- In BowlingTips101@yahoogroups.com, Antoine Jones
<bowling_aj@...> wrote:
>
> Marty,
>
> WOW, i love your inthusiastic interest in equipment. hardness is
a factor in the amount of turn you can get out of a bowling ball. the
weight block itself is a huge factor in the amount of turn a ball can
have. followed by the cover. when it comes to elasticity, i don't
think the USBC would approve a ball that was that different. now, if
a manufacturer decided to produce a ball that had a soft enough cover
it dug more into the lane for bite, i think they would sell it but
they would probably wear out very quickly.
>
> let me jump to the pins real quick. YES, i think that the pins
are very much similar to the pins of yester-year. the ABC, now USBC,
had to sanction the pins just as they do bowling balls. when it comes
to pins, they don't waver as much as they do with the balls. so the
pins you are rolling a ball at now, are the same weight, size, and
material make-up as those 75 years ago. just various density on the
plastic covers.
>
> what i am going to do is get all of my stuff together and post
more on the ball subject. i don't want to leave anythign out, so i
will post it in the morning when i have fresh mind and visual aids.
but the biggest difference in balls now is cover and core. actually,
i think i remember reading something about cores and covers on
bowl.com!
>
> Martin Carbone <martycarbone@...> wrote:
> AJ wrote, in part, : "a big part of the average
increase is equipment. the ball manufacturers are producing balls
that will do most of the work for you."
> ------------------------ reply ---------------
>
> How are balls designed to work better?
>
> Years ago I switched from a black "Ebonite"??" ball to a red
Urethane.
>
> I was able to start hooking with that ball -- because it seemed
softer -- and got near a 180 average
>
> What are the characteristics you look for in a ball now?
>
> I think hardness has to be within certain limits.
>
> I know weight is controlled -- as is a certain balance (center of
gravity?)
>
> Do they manufacture different levels of elasticity?
>
> What else is there?
>
> Is there anything on the internet about selecting a ball?
>
> Do you think the pins are the same as they were 50 years ago?
>
> Marty
>
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>
> Antoine "AJ" Jones
> -Visionary Bowling Products
> -Test Staff Member
>
> ---------------------------------
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>




Antoine "AJ" Jones
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Sorry, I misread the first part of that post. Hardness is a factor in how much TURN you can get OUT of the ball, not what I stated. Brian...
shadowman_26
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Dec 1, 2007
12:18 am

Senior Brian, the ball hardness does directly affect the amount of turn. i own every ball in the Visionary Bowling Products Gargoyle line. between those 4...
Antoine Jones
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Dec 1, 2007
8:36 pm

See, this is why I retracted what I said (maybe you didnt read that post). Not knowing what you meant by turn. What you call turn, I call "hook". Agreed...
shadowman_26
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Dec 1, 2007
8:38 pm

I have been in this game since I was 5 years old. 29 years ago. I average 230 in my leagues (not great wall shots, but not sport shots either). I have 17...
shadowman_26
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Dec 1, 2007
9:02 pm

Hey Brian I think you need to draw them a map because what it looks like to me reading everything in this topic no one has a clue to what is going on. It went...
Dave Justice
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Dec 2, 2007
4:24 pm

part of the confussion is my fault, i tend to use the term "turn" refering to hook or curve. as the years have passed, i have slowly but surely used turn more...
Antoine Jones
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Dec 3, 2007
4:35 pm

Hardness, in the past, was thought to be one of the most important factor in how much hook potential there was in a ball. But in reality, it is the amount of...
Brian
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Dec 3, 2007
4:13 pm

Original message -- so the pins you are rolling a ball at now, are the same weight, size, and material make-up as those 75 years ago. ... Except -- I think the...
Martin Carbone
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Dec 1, 2007
4:49 pm

The weight of pins has changed through the years, todays weights are between 3lbs 6oz and 3lbs 10oz. Your typical pin is still made of wood/maple but now has...
Brian
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Dec 1, 2007
6:12 pm

they are supposed to, but if you have ever had the opportunity to look at a pin up close, the bottom of those pins has a small hole in the middle and moist of...
Antoine Jones
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Dec 1, 2007
8:36 pm

The hole in the bottom of the pin goes back to before the time of automatic pinsetters. there was a peddle on the floor that the pin setters would pres and...
Arthur O'Connor
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Dec 1, 2007
8:46 pm

Arthur, that i didn't know Arthur O'Connor <artdoc60@...> wrote: The hole in the bottom of the pin goes back to before the time of automatic pinsetters....
Antoine Jones
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Dec 3, 2007
4:33 pm

Original message -- Hardness has nothing to do with how much turn you can get on the ball. That all comes from your fingers and wrist. ... By "turn" -- do...
Martin Carbone
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Dec 1, 2007
4:57 pm

I am referring to turn as RPMs, not hook. I retracted that statment I made as AJ stated that hardness does have an effect. Without fully knowing what he...
shadowman_26
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Dec 1, 2007
5:39 pm

that would b correct Marty! Martin Carbone <martycarbone@...> wrote: Original message -- Hardness has nothing to do with how much turn you...
Antoine Jones
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Dec 1, 2007
8:36 pm

Brian -- Thanks for the info on bowling ball specs -- I will put that PDF link on my alphabeticalist website By the way --- the balls that are used on...
Martin Carbone
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Dec 1, 2007
8:08 pm

martin balls are wieghted to one side or the otherand it does help Martin Carbone <martycarbone@...> wrote: Brian -- Thanks for the info on...
Arthur O'Connor
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Dec 1, 2007
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... From: Arthur O'Connor <artdoc60@...> martin balls are wieghted to one side or the otherand it does help------------------------------------ You mean...
Martin Carbone
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Dec 2, 2007
1:02 pm

Oh sure. USBC allows for 1 ounce of weight. Finger weight, thumb weight, side weight all must be within 1 ounce or the ball is deemed illegal. Brian...
shadowman_26
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Dec 2, 2007
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Original message it has about 12 boards of break, but that is from the weight block and where it is positioned in the ball as it transitions down the lane. ......
Martin Carbone
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Dec 2, 2007
1:03 pm

morning Marty, the weight block is the heavier mass of material at "the core" of the ball that gives the ball the determining weight of 16-15-14-12 lbs. if you...
Antoine Jones
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Dec 3, 2007
5:29 pm

Wow that is all new to me -- When did they start making anything other than a ball made out of a single density material throughout? When I bowled in State...
Martin Carbone
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Dec 3, 2007
9:21 pm

the reason for the weigh in is to make sure that the ball is USBC legal. the USBC allows for 1 ounce of side weight 1 ounce of top (finger) weight 1 ounce of...
Antoine Jones
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