From: melodie_crossley <melodie.crossley@...>
Subject: [DodgerNation] Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
To: "Ray Espinoza" <dodgerfan34@...>
Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:18 AM

Hopefully Manny will not treat the kids like Piazza did by walking
away from them when they asked for autographs or photos. The kids
are the players, owners and most importantly the FANS of the
future. And, like an elephant, kids don't forget when their hero
doesn't take a minute to stop and give them an autograph, take a
photo with them or to talk to them.
--- In BlueBallsandStrikes@yahoogroups.com, Ray Espinoza
<dodgerfan34@...> wrote:
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> I will have to kindly disagree with you on this one, you want to
compare what one player who is playing for a payday and getting the
heck out of LA to a player who gave his all to a organization that
screwed him over many years. No comparison in my book but I also
realize you have a disdain ( a little misplaced) for Mike Piazza.
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> myspace.com/rayespinoza Official Page of Ray Espinoza
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> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Kristin <prettyrose33@...> wrote:
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> From: Kristin <prettyrose33@...>
> Subject: Re: [DodgerNation] Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
> To: DodgerNation@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 4:10 PM
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>   I'm sorry Ray but he is.  Mike started his career in LA.  Manny
started his in Cleveland.  Manny didn't become the Manny that
everyone loves until after he went to Boston, the same can be said
of Mike as well.
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> Kristin
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> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Ray Espinoza <dodgerfan34@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Ray Espinoza <dodgerfan34@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DodgerNation] Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
> To: DodgerNation@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 7:20 AM
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> --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Kristin <prettyrose33@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Kristin <prettyrose33@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DodgerNation] Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
> To: DodgerNation@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 9:50 PM
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>   Trust me, he's bigger than Piazza.  I haven't seen anyone like
him since Fernando and the attention he brings, not since Fernando
and Fernandomania.
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> Kristin
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> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, vizcaino gabriel <gabriel_vizcaino@ yahoo.com>
wrote:
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> From: vizcaino gabriel <gabriel_vizcaino@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DodgerNation] Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
> To: DodgerNation@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 2:53 PM
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> Have you seen every major news outlet, how it's all about Manny
and the Dodgers, I was there saturday nigth, took my 5 year old son,
and he was into the whole game from the monet he hit the hr, to the
last out. He (Ramirez) is one of those special people once you have
him you dont let him go, maybe he is on a decline for for 3 years
but can u name me 5 player you rather have than him, no even Arod
or Pujols have the personality this guys has he will make Mc court
so much money, that the dodger will be better in the long run,
because the will become credible, more FA will want to come and play
here, and with the FA's and the talent pool in teh minors i see a
Dynasty like the Yankees had in the 90's.
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> We need to forget about how old will he be in 3 years, this guy is
the biggest thing in Dodger baseball since Piazza, in fact he maybe
bigger that that!. Think about it, junt think about it!!
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> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Mike K. <mlkaplan43@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: Mike K. <mlkaplan43@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [DodgerNation] Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
> To: DodgerNation@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 2:17 PM
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> Gabe-
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> I totally know that the Dodgers have the money to bring him back.
> They'll be freeing up something like $80m over the next two years.
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> My point is that it's probably a bad idea to give huge money and
> multiple years to a guy going into his late 30s and will inevitably
> experience dropoff in his abilities. He's still a fantastic hitter,
> but is already declining a little bit. Why should the Dodgers give
> him a raise, when they know he's going to get worse? Let some one
> else be the sucker.
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> --- In DodgerNation@ yahoogroups. com, vizcaino gabriel
> <gabriel_vizcaino@ ...> wrote:
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> > Rafael Furcal
> > $15,730,195
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> > Jason Schmidt
> > $15,217,401
> >
> > Andruw Jones
> > $14,726,910
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> > Derek Lowe
> > $10,000,000
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> > Nomar Garciaparra
> > $9,516,697
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> > Brad Penny
> > $9,250,000
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> > Jeff Kent
> > $9,000,000
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> > Juan Pierre
> > $8,000,000
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> > Esteban Loaiza
> > $7,500,000
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> > Hiroki Kuroda
> > $7,433,333
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> > Takashi Saito
> > $2,000,000
> >
> > Joe Beimel
> > $1,925,000
> >
> > Scott Proctor
> > $1,115,000
> >
> > Gary Bennett
> > $825,000
> >
> > Mark Sweeney
> > $600,000
> >
> > Russell Martin
> > $500,000
> >
> > Jonathan Broxton
> > $454,000
> >
> > Andre Ethier
> > $424,500
> >
> > Chad Billingsley
> > $415,000
> >
> > James Loney
> > $411,000
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> > Matt Kemp
> > $406,000
> >
> > Angel Chavez
> > $400,000
> >
> > Tony Abreu
> > $393,000
> >
> > Andy LaRoche
> > $392,500
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> > Hong-Chih Kuo
> > $392,000
> >
> > Delwyn Young
> > $391,000
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> > Blake DeWitt
> > $390,000
> >
> > Chin-lung Hu
> > $390,000
> >
> > Ramon Troncoso
> > $390,000
> >
> > This is a list of the dodgers salaries for this season, we all
know
> that Furcal, Lowe, Kent, Nomar, Swenney, Bennet. Loaiza, that's 53
> million off the books, I Think saito is also a FA at the end of
this
> season, so add 2 more mill, to that number that's 55 mill, and what
> positions need to be filled, 2b, ss, SP. So why not give manny 25
mil,
> he by him self sold 30,000+ tickets from friday to saturday, they
got
> all that ESPN time, 30,000 at 50 buck a pop, thats 1.5 mill, for 3
> games, times (82/3)27 thats 40 million dollars of renvenue, plus
the
> T-shirts, jerseys. To be honest the guy is a money machine for
> McCourt, he will sign him, no question about it I say 26 mill for 3
> years. So next year team should look like this:
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> > FA 2B Bills
> P Broxton Pierre OF
> > Ethier RF Penny
> P Beimel Jones OF
> > Martin C Kuroda
> P Wade Maza IF
> > Manny LF Kershaw
> P Troncoso FA C
> > Loney 1B
> FA/RookieP Kuo FA PH
> > Kemp CF
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> > Dewitt
> 3B
> > Hu ss
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Mike K. <mlkaplan43@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Mike K. <mlkaplan43@ ...>
> > Subject: [DodgerNation] Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
> > To: DodgerNation@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 1:12 PM
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> > Did someone say that the Dodgers agreed not to offer him
arbitration?
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> > Even so, I think the Dodgers have to let Manny walk after this
season
> > -- no matter how much Crapke and Simers cry about it. It's very
hard,
> > if not impossible, to justify paying a 37-y.o. $20m + per
season. His
> > offensive skills are still close to their peak, but at his age,
it's
> > like playing Russian roulette with a decline. And his DH-like
defense
> > won't be improving either.
> >
> > --- In DodgerNation@ yahoogroups. com, Ray Espinoza <dodgerfan34@
> ....> wrote:
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> > > Do you reallt think that Manny would tak e less money to stay
in
> > lA??? He gave up 40 million to come to LA and then he would turn
> > around and give the Dodgers a break? I don't think so.....
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> > > myspace.com/ rayespinoza Official Page of Ray Espinoza
> > >
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> > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Kristin <prettyrose33@ ...> wrote:
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> > > From: Kristin <prettyrose33@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
> > > To: DODGERS@yahoogroups .com
> > > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 9:24 PM
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> > > I wonder if he would be willing to accept less years to stay in
> > LA? One can only hope but Frank would be crazy to let him go,
> > especially if he wants to stay.
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> > > Kristin
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> > > --- On Thu, 7/31/08, David <LADodgerFan@ ...> wrote:
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> > > From: David <LADodgerFan@ ...>
> > > Subject: Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
> > > To: DODGERS@yahoogroups .com
> > > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 10:59 PM
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> > > David
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> > > -------Original Message----- --
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> > > From: Kristin
> > > Date: 7/31/2008 11:09:00 PM
> > > To: DODGERS@yahoogroups .com
> > > Subject: Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
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> > > I guess Manny no longer has options since he was traded which
> > sucks. Heck for 2 years and 40 Million, I would have picked those
> > up. That's 4 Million more than Jones but a whole heck of a better
> > hitter and run producer. Manny will be 37 next year so I have to
> > wonder what kind of deal he is going to think that he can get.
> > >
> > > Kristin
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Harry <titan10645@ yahoo. com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Harry <titan10645@ yahoo. com>
> > > Subject: Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
> > > To: DODGERS@yahoogroups .com
> > > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 4:55 PM
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> > > oh my. This one is a real kicker. Manny, Manny, Manny. Even if
Kent
> > is gone next year, is this not a match made in Heaven? Manny &
Jeff
> > Kent...teammates? I can't wait. Yep, Torre's probably having
a
> > conversation with Kent right now. Now Jeff, you know when they
say
> > Manny's being Manny? Jeff, you do know what that means, right?
> > >
> > > Anyway, this oughta be something. With McCourt being able to
lower
> > payroll next year, contrary to the idea of a 2 month rental some
have,
> > my bet is that if Manny produces ( hard to imagine he
won't )....Manny
> > will be signed & in LA for a while. After all, Manny is no Andruw
> > Jones....thank God.
> > >
> > > Harry, who likes this deal.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Kristin <prettyrose33@ yahoo.com>
> > > To: DODGERS@yahoogroups .com
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:15:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
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> > > I don't think it will be Pierre. I think Manny will be in
left,
> > Kemp in center and Ethier in right.
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> > > Kristin
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> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Evan Darrow <emdarrow@gmail. com>
wrote:
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> > > From: Evan Darrow <emdarrow@gmail. com>
> > > Subject: Re: [DODGERS] Outfielders
> > > To: DODGERS@yahoogroups .com
> > > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 2:07 PM
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> > > Why do I get the sinking feeling that the OF is now
Pierre/Kemp/
> Manny?
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