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#69 From: "Alex Hearn" <alex@...>
Date: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:23 pm
Subject: RE: bag balm or vaseline ahearn10
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Two solutions I know of.  First, as awful as it may sound, scoop out a
tablespoon of Bag Balm before the ride & smear it in your crotch or on your
chamois - same effect.  The rug burn you're experiencing is from friction,
your bum vs. your shorts.  This helps tremendously.  Second option is to
wear 2 pairs of shorts at the same time.  Then the rubbing happens between
the shorts, not you.  Use both options, you're pretty bulletproof.



  Alex Hearn

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From: Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of yalbike
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 1:41 PM
To: Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bikerpelli] bag balm or vaseline



Hey Riders just did my two days of 4-6 hours in the saddle as
suggested
by the training guide and man-o-man is my backside sore!  I have sent
umteen hours in the saddle, so I know its a good fit, its just that I
haven't sent it on the saddle all at once.  If I had to go out and do
hole 'nother day on the trail today, I would have a hard time
convincing my dairy aire to saddle up.  Its kind of like I got rug
burns, just not on my knees this time.  I thought Alex was teasing us
about bag balm or vaseline but I would like to hear from anyone who
has
found a solution or salve that works.







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#68 From: "BikeBandit2000" <h_ong@...>
Date: Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:53 pm
Subject: Re: bag balm or vaseline BikeBandit2000
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Take a look at an anti-chafing product called BodyGlide.  Comes in a
stick type form similiar to deodorant sticks.  Non-greasy, water-
resistant.  You can find it in some running shops.  Tri-sport shops
carry it as it's used by tri-guys.  I think Performance also may
carry it.  Costs about $8-9 for small size, $10-12 for large.

It was recommended to me at a biking camp by one of the pros.

I use it on all my rides longer than 1 hr.

BB2K

--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "yalbike" <wbillmulthauf@a...>
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>
> Hey Riders just did my two days of 4-6 hours in the saddle as
> suggested
> by the training guide and man-o-man is my backside sore!  I have
sent
> umteen hours in the saddle, so I know its a good fit, its just
that I
> haven't sent it on the saddle all at once.  If I had to go out and
do
> hole 'nother day on the trail today, I would have a hard time
> convincing my dairy aire to saddle up.  Its kind of like I got rug
> burns, just not on my knees this time.  I thought Alex was teasing
us
> about bag balm or vaseline but I would like to hear from anyone who
> has
> found a solution or salve that works.

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#67 From: "yalbike" <wbillmulthauf@...>
Date: Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:40 pm
Subject: bag balm or vaseline yalbike
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Hey Riders just did my two days of 4-6 hours in the saddle as
suggested
by the training guide and man-o-man is my backside sore!  I have sent
umteen hours in the saddle, so I know its a good fit, its just that I
haven't sent it on the saddle all at once.  If I had to go out and do
hole 'nother day on the trail today, I would have a hard time
convincing my dairy aire to saddle up.  Its kind of like I got rug
burns, just not on my knees this time.  I thought Alex was teasing us
about bag balm or vaseline but I would like to hear from anyone who
has
found a solution or salve that works.

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#66 From: "Juan" <npjp2002@...>
Date: Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:29 pm
Subject: Quiet Time????? npjp2002
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How come we are all so quiet all of the sudden.
Nobody is having seconds thoughts, are we?
We must be bussy packing and getting ready.
It's almost here and we are going to have a great time.
Can't wait. looking forward to ride with all of you.

Juan

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#65 From: LyBrec@...
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: Re: So what's the pace going to be? LyBrec@...
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Sorry for the late reply but I just got back from a white rim tour. The key for me is to think of your enegy as a battery. Never go to the 100% level unless it is for your safety. Try to run at a pace that is sustanable for hours on end. For me that is 65% to 75% of what i could do with a bunch of guys who are going fast. If you ride smooth and smart you will be suprised at how easy the ride is. Frank B.

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#64 From: LyBrec@...
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: Re: So what's the pace going to be? LyBrec@...
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ES, in my opinion many hammer the first 3 hours and then fade, they also miss the sceney. If you set a pace at 60% to 75% of your max you can finish strong a still look around. Frank from G.J.

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#63 From: LyBrec@...
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: So what's the pace going to be?-DESERT TIPS LyBrec@...
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This is Frank from Grand Junction and the temps will not be as warm as you think. Today coming back from a white rim trip we had snow in the area of our ride. I expect it to melt by our trip time , the elevations range from 4700 ft. to about 8700 ft. so expect a wide range of temps.

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#62 From: LyBrec@...
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: Food & weather LyBrec@...
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Yo, Alex, you know this trip well. My only advice this year is that it has been wet and cold up thru the first week in April. I am going with a warm jacket at night and sleeping bag. Frank

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#61 From: LyBrec@...
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Stans tubelss LyBrec@...
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Yes, you have to try them to experiance the benifits.

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#60 From: LyBrec@...
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Stans tubelss LyBrec@...
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Stans tubless conversion system is one of the worst kept secrets of the pro bike racers. I have used the stans sytem, but now have just converted to Mavic tublis rims. The advantage to tublis is better traction and rolling resistance.

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#59 From: mike sorum <mikesorum@...>
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 10:37 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Stans tubelss mikesorum
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I have them and I love them.  I used them last year
and the only problem I had was when I didn't inflate
the tire enough.  Otherwise I have never had a pinch
flat or anything else.  It cost about $60, I think
it's worth it.

Mike
--- Frank Traditi <frank@...> wrote:
> Speck,
>
> I checked out the website and I can't find anything
> there that describes
> why these tubes are cat's meow. They claim they are
> the best, but
> nothing there proves it.  Do you have some insight
> or experience with
> the tubes? And where do you get them if you want
> them?
>
> Frank
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: isawitagain [mailto:isawitagain@...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 2:26 PM
> To: Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Bikerpelli] Re: Stans tubelss
>
>
>
>
> ---Yo Eric,
> I'm likely to get blasted for this but my suggestion
> is you and Norte go
> here: www.yestubes.com
>
> speck
>
>
>
> In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, Eric Hanson
> <ehanson7@s...> wrote: How
> long should it take to get a Stans Tubeless tire
> system. I ordered one
> on March 29th, and still don't have it? I went thru
> a local bike shop to
> get it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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#58 From: "Frank Traditi" <frank@...>
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 8:45 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Stans tubelss ftraditi
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Speck,

I checked out the website and I can't find anything there that describes
why these tubes are cat's meow. They claim they are the best, but
nothing there proves it.  Do you have some insight or experience with
the tubes? And where do you get them if you want them?

Frank

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Author, Get Hired NOW! (tm)
CoachFrank LLC, Get Hired Now, LLC
303-471-8733 or 775-887-4008
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From: isawitagain [mailto:isawitagain@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 2:26 PM
To: Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bikerpelli] Re: Stans tubelss




---Yo Eric,
I'm likely to get blasted for this but my suggestion is you and Norte go
here: www.yestubes.com

speck



In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, Eric Hanson <ehanson7@s...> wrote: How
long should it take to get a Stans Tubeless tire system. I ordered one
on March 29th, and still don't have it? I went thru a local bike shop to
get it.







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#57 From: "isawitagain" <isawitagain@...>
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: Stans tubelss isawitagain@...
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---Yo Eric,
I'm likely to get blasted for this but my suggestion is you and Norte
go here:
www.yestubes.com

speck



In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, Eric Hanson <ehanson7@s...> wrote:
How long should it take to get a Stans Tubeless tire system. I ordered
one on March 29th, and still don't have it? I went thru a local bike
shop to get it.

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#56 From: "Alex Hearn" <alex@...>
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 3:34 pm
Subject: Food & weather ahearn10
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Sure -

� Breakfast is large, served 1^st thing in the AM.� Eggs, bacon, oatmeal, pancakes, fruit, breakfast burrito fixin’s if you’d like to roll it all up, juice & some serious coffee.� We don’t fool around with puny coffee.

� Lunch is lite, served at sag.� Peanut butter & jelly, bananas, oranges, potato chips, fruit cookies, Gatorade.� (There’s always someone commenting that PB&J is for kids, but we’ve yet to find anything that works better in terms of nutrition, calories or logistics.� Embrace the child within.)

� Post ride snack is usually available by 5 - chips, salsa, guac.

� Dinner around 6-7 pm is also large, one nite is bean & rice burritos w/chicken (optional), potato, cheese, onion & veggies, plus mac & cheese.� Another is pasta with marinara (meat or veg), loaded with artichoke, zucchini, crushed tomato, onion, garlic, parmesan, croissants.� Each dinner includes dessert & large raw veggie salad w/vinaigrette.� The last nite we’ll grille.

The menu planning is always the hardest to plan & coordinate, therefore you’re obligated to enjoy it.� You’ll also be obligated to try the cheese grits on the last AM, it’s tradition.� There’s always a few who figure they’ll bring a stove & kitchen setup with their own food as a just-in-case.� We’ve never seen anyone actually using them tho.� They just end up lugging them around.� There’s no way you can top our cooking without going truly overboard.� This year we have Chef Bob along – he’s a trail veteran who runs his own catering biz & knows how to cook large meals and make them good!

The only food you’ll need is what you plan to eat while on-trail.� Clif-bars, power bars, Cytomax, beef jerky(?), honey pre-sealed in straws, electrolyte replacements like Emergen-C, dried apricots, whatever fuels your speed.

Expect weather to be 70’s, possibly 80’s during the day.� Nites are cool, usually dipping down below 50 after dark.� You can expect to be riding in shorts & short-sleeved jerseys, some like to carry a windbreaker on day three due to altitude.� At nite jeans, thick fleece & maybe some polypro long underwear if you’re cold blooded & a hat.� Of course pack your raingear as a precaution, but the weather tends to be very predictable (as much as weather can be) in the desert and we should know well beforehand if there’s a chance of rain.� Statistically there’s a 10 percent chance of rain, check Yahoo weather just before the ride for a head’s-up & adjust your packing accordingly.� Check Fruita, CO and Moab, UT.

Here’s a tip – pack some Bag Balm or Vaseline & treat your chamois daily to prevent saddle sores & chafing.� Some like to wear 2 pairs of shorts simultaneously, sometimes the biggest challenge of spending 3 days in the saddle is spending 3 days in the saddle…

We suggest reading up on the web page, there’s a lot of good info like this on the gear & conditioning pages.� You can check the pictures on the discussion page from 2004 & get a good idea of what people wore daily.

�

�Alex Hearn

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From: isawitagain [mailto:isawitagain@...]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:47 PM
To: Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bikerpelli] Re: Spam - trail food book

Alex,

�� Can you please give us a basic idea of the food menu/timings for

the ride?

speck

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--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Hearn" <alex@b...> wrote:

> Just got some spam about a new book – The Cyclist's Food

Guide.� Seemed

> appropriate to pass it on.� They say they'll send excerpts if

you

request

> them.

>�

>� Alex Hearn

> --------------------------------------------------------------

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>��

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Guide!

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#55 From: Ken Frankenbery <toadking1@...>
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Spam - trail food book toadking1
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Also, how about for people coming from back East- what kind of temperatures should be expect ( how to dress- day & night), and are rain showers ( bring rain gear??) a daily threat?

That and food question, can help us see what we need to pack & bring.

Thanks

Ken

isawitagain <isawitagain@...> wrote:

Alex, Can you please give us a basic idea of the food menu/timings for the ride? speck ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Hearn" <alex@b...> wrote: > Just got some spam about a new book � The Cyclist's Food Guide. Seemed > appropriate to pass it on. They say they'll send excerpts if you request > them. > > > > Alex Hearn > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Dear Newsletter Editor/Website Administrator, > > The Cyclist's Food Guide is a unique new book about food, diet and exercise > for cyclists of all abilities. Co-authored by nutritionists and bicycling > enthusiasts Nancy Clark RD and Jenny Hegmann RD, this first-of-its-kind food > guide is packed with information your club members will devour! > > The press release below is for your bicycle club newsletter/website. You are > welcome to use all or any part of it. Please ask your club members to take > advantage of our SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY OFFER for cycling clubs at the bottom! > > If you'd like, we'd be glad to email you a short book excerpt for your > newsletter. Available topics are: > > ---- Breakfast: The Meal of Champions > ---- Water, Sports Drinks, and other Fluids > ---- Tips for the Traveling Cyclist. > > Please e-mail your request to info@n... > > -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- > ---------------------------- > > Press Release for your bike club's newsletter, website or listserv > > SUBJECT: New Book for Hungry Cyclists! > > The Cyclists Food GuideThe Cyclist's Food Guide: Fueling for the Distance is > perfect for cyclists who want more stamina and energy for long rides. Sports > nutritionists Nancy Clark, MS, RD, and Jenny Hegmann, MS, RD have written > this book from their passion for teaching both novice and seasoned cyclists > how to fuel their bodies to enhance performance. They have combined their > cycling experience and professional expertise to teach you what, when, and > how to eat for good health, high energy, strength, and stamina. Whatever > your cycling endeavors�recreational riding, touring, racing, or > randonneuring�you'll learn what you need to know for optimal fueling so you > can improve your riding, enhance your enjoyment on the bike, and reach your > goals. > > In the Cyclist's Food Guide, you'll learn to: > --- Eat well to add power to your pedaling > --- Choose the best snacks for before, during, and after long rides > --- Maintain strength and stamina for rides of hours, days, or weeks > --- Manage convenience stores, restaurants, and eating on the road > --- Lose undesired body fat while maintaining energy to exercise > > > "In The Cyclist's Food Guide, Nancy Clark and Jenny Hegmann combine their > professional training in nutrition with many years of cycling experience. > Cyclists who follow their sound and refreshingly practical advice will enjoy > better cycling performance. I highly recommend The Cyclist's Food Guide! > �John Hughes, coach & director of the UltraMarathon Cycling Association > > You'll find no better advice on optimal nutrition for cycling than by > reading Nancy Clark and Jenny Hegmann's The Cyclist's Food Guide. > �Michael McCoy, Adventure Cycling Association > > -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- > ------------------- > > INTRODUCTORY OFFER !!! Order your copy now at www.nancyclarkrd.com and > receive our SPECIAL BICYCLE CLUB DISCOUNT off the $15 list price. > > You'll be charged only $13.50 per copy (plus shipping) for orders of 1-5 > books; $12.15 per copy for 6-11 books, $11.47 per copy for 12-23 books; and > $10.80 per copy for orders of 24 or more books! > > IMPORTANT NOTE: You must enter this promotional code - spn693 - at our > website when placing your order. Your special discount will then be > automatically deducted. > > For more information please contact us at info@n... > > -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- > -------------------- > > Authors' Bios: > > Author of the best-selling Nancy Clark's Sports Nutrition Guidebook, Nancy > Clark, MS, RD has been referred to as one of America's leading sports > nutritionists. She is also a regular bike commuter and touring cyclist, and > has biked across America. Clark counsels both casual and competitive > athletes in her private practice at Healthworks, the premier fitness center > in Chestnut Hill, MA . A registered dietitian with additional training is > exercise physiology, Clark is a Fellow of both the American Dietetic > Association and the American College of Sports Medicine. > > > Jenny Hegmann, M.S., R.D., is registered dietitian specializing in sports > nutrition, wellness, and weight management. She counsels overweight clients, > presents nutrition workshops and has written for medical and fitness > websites. A serious cyclist for over 20 years, Hegmann has participated in > races, randonn�es, century rides, triathlons, and weekend tours. She is a > member of the Northeast Bicycle Club and a faithful bike commuter. She is a > member of the American Dietetic Association.

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#54 From: "isawitagain" <isawitagain@...>
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 3:47 am
Subject: Re: Spam - trail food book isawitagain@...
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Alex,
    Can you please give us a basic idea of the food menu/timings for
the ride?

speck

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Hearn" <alex@b...> wrote:
> Just got some spam about a new book � The Cyclist's Food
Guide.  Seemed
> appropriate to pass it on.  They say they'll send excerpts if
you
request
> them.
>
>
>
>  Alex Hearn
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Dear Newsletter Editor/Website Administrator,
>
> The Cyclist's Food Guide is a unique new book about food, diet
and
exercise
> for cyclists of all abilities. Co-authored by nutritionists and
bicycling
> enthusiasts Nancy Clark RD and Jenny Hegmann RD, this
first-of-its-kind food
> guide is packed with information your club members will devour!
>
> The press release below is for your bicycle club newsletter/website.
You are
> welcome to use all or any part of it. Please ask your club members
to take
> advantage of our SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY OFFER for cycling clubs at the
bottom!
>
> If you'd like, we'd be glad to email you a short book excerpt
for your
> newsletter.  Available topics are:
>
> ----  Breakfast: The Meal of Champions
> ----  Water, Sports Drinks, and other Fluids
> ----  Tips for the Traveling Cyclist.
>
> Please e-mail your request to info@n...
>
>
--------------------------------------------------
--------------------------
> ----------------------------
>
> Press Release for your bike club's newsletter, website or
listserv
>
> SUBJECT:  New Book for Hungry Cyclists!
>
> The Cyclists Food GuideThe Cyclist's Food Guide: Fueling for the
Distance is
> perfect for cyclists who want more stamina and energy for long
rides. Sports
> nutritionists Nancy Clark, MS, RD, and Jenny Hegmann, MS, RD have
written
> this book from their passion for teaching both novice and seasoned
cyclists
> how to fuel their bodies to enhance performance. They have combined
their
> cycling experience and professional expertise to teach you what,
when, and
> how to eat for good health, high energy, strength, and stamina.
Whatever
> your cycling endeavors�recreational riding, touring, racing, or
> randonneuring�you'll learn what you need to know for
optimal fueling
so you
> can improve your riding, enhance your enjoyment on the bike, and
reach your
> goals.
>
> In the Cyclist's Food Guide, you'll learn to:
> ---  Eat well to add power to your pedaling
> ---  Choose the best snacks for before, during, and after long rides
> ---  Maintain strength and stamina for rides of hours, days, or
weeks
> ---  Manage convenience stores, restaurants, and eating on the road
> ---  Lose undesired body fat while maintaining energy to exercise
>
>
> "In The Cyclist's Food Guide, Nancy Clark and Jenny Hegmann
combine
their
> professional training in nutrition with many years of cycling
experience.
> Cyclists who follow their sound and refreshingly practical advice
will enjoy
> better cycling performance. I highly recommend The Cyclist's
Food
Guide!
>  �John Hughes, coach & director of the UltraMarathon Cycling
Association
>
> You'll find no better advice on optimal nutrition for cycling
than by
> reading Nancy Clark and Jenny Hegmann's The Cyclist's Food
Guide.
>  �Michael McCoy, Adventure Cycling Association
>
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cyclist, and
> has biked across America. Clark counsels both casual and competitive
> athletes in her private practice at Healthworks, the premier fitness
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training is
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>
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#53 From: Nancy Pacheco <npjp2002@...>
Date: Fri Apr 8, 2005 11:50 am
Subject: Re: Re: So what's the pace going to be?-DESERT TIPS npjp2002
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Actually is Juan. Nancy is my wife, we use the same
e-mail address. Thanks for the tips. This is going to
be my second trip to the same area in two years. This
being the third year in a row we ride out west. Last
year it was Utah and Arizona. The year before it was
Seattle to Mt. Rushmore, no organizewd tours. We do it
on our own with a driver. This year we are hanging
around Moab and Cortez. So we've learned how dry it
can be. Last year from Hanksville,UT. to Mexican Hat
it was 105F to start the ride. Lots of water. We have
to get together at night and talk about the White Rim.
We are already planning on doing this ride and the
White Rim next year. Looking forward to meeting all of
you. And no problem with the eyes, lazer surgery makes
it great. No lenses, no more getting up in the morning
half blind.


--- BikeBandit2000 <h_ong@...> wrote:

>
> Nancy,
>
> Not sure if you've been to the west, but be
> forewarned, it can be
> very DRY and SUNNY.  Bring skin lotion, sun screen,
> and lip balm.
> Don't apply the sunscreen on your forehead or you'll
> be forever
> crying when your sweat washes the sunscreen into
> your eyes.
>
> I'm not a dermo... doc, but do want you to protect
> your health.
> Unlike the East/midwest, if the weather is near
> norm, humidity will
> be VERY LOW.
>
> CONTACT wearers:  FORGET IT. The dust will scratch
> your eyes like
> sandpaper.  My girlfriend wears contacts.  She rode
> White Rim with me
> last year.  She's wearing her glasses w/ a sunshade
> clipon this year.
>
> Yikes, now Mother Nature is going to make a liar out
> of me and rain.
> Ahhhh....  where's my Gore Tex???
>
> BB2K
>
> --- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, Nancy Pacheco
> <npjp2002@y...>
> wrote:
> > Guys and gals,
> > I've never been on the Kokopelli trail, but I'm a
> > veteran of long mtb rides in Pennsylvania and West
> > Virginia, NY, etc. and believe me, if you want
> rocks
> > roots mud and everything else in between, come
> ride
> > this part of the country.  If you are in shape and
> > have put the miles and training you shouldn't have
> a
> > lot of problems.
> > Kathy, you rode the trail last year you said
> earlier,
> > you should have a good idea of what type of
> training
> > you need. Don't start working yourselves into a
> frenzi
> > about the ride. You still have 4 weeks to train
> don't
> > wait until the last week. Remember what Alex
> always
> > reminds us, "It's not a race".
> > Here's a couple of tips:
> > When you stop to take a picture or admire the
> view,
> > don't stop for to long. Your muscles will start to
> > stiffen up and it takes you a while to get going
> > again. At lunch time, make sure you strech a bit
> and
> > don't linger at the lunch stop for to long. Eat
> your
> > lunch, rest while you eat and get ready to go
> again.
> > The longer you stay, the longer you are going to
> get
> > to camp.
> > Other that that enjoy the ride, smile and have fun
> > doesn't matter what happens.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- khudgens2003 <khudgens@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Eladio,
> > >
> > > Since you are from Texas, you may be used to
> seeing
> > > the type of
> > > country we will be in.  I'm not!  I still am
> left
> > > speechless even yet
> > > when I look at my pictures. I feel like I've
> gone to
> > > another world.  I
> > > don't recognize anything.  The last thing I want
> to
> > > do is hurry
> > > through the day. Good thing!  Ha!  Someone else
> will
> > > have to tell you
> > > about pace.  Nearly everyone was gone by the
> time I
> > > got to the
> > > breaks.  The cutoff was about 3:30 for the first
> > > day's lunch and noon
> > > for the second, if I recall correctly. If you
> missed
> > > the cutoff, you
> > > sagged.  If you are more than a beginning mtn
> biker,
> > > I don't think you
> > > will have trouble making the cutoff times. I was
> > > late because I had to
> > > push too much.  Some places everyone
> pushes/carries.
> > > Be sure to have
> > > lights for your bike the second day.  Dark was
> > > catching several riders.
> > >
> > > Wish I could be more help.  Frank B. would be a
> good
> > > one to chip in
> > > here.
> > >
> > > Kathy
> > >
> > > --- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "Eladio
> Sandi"
> > > <esandi@s...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just wondering what the pace generally is on
> this
> > > ride.  I'm all for
> > > a
> > > > good workout, but I'm not quite sure how to
> pace
> > > myself for three
> > > > solid days of ridding.
> > > >
> > > > Also how long's the downtime at lunch?  I plan
> to
> > > try my hand at
> > > > duplicating the effort on my local trails to
> see
> > > what kind of shape
> > > > I'm in.
> > > >
> > > > Any insight from the vereran Kokopelli-ers out
> > > there
> > > >
> > > > ES
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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#52 From: "BikeBandit2000" <h_ong@...>
Date: Fri Apr 8, 2005 2:08 am
Subject: Re: So what's the pace going to be?-DESERT TIPS BikeBandit2000
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Nancy,

Not sure if you've been to the west, but be forewarned, it can be
very DRY and SUNNY.  Bring skin lotion, sun screen, and lip balm.
Don't apply the sunscreen on your forehead or you'll be forever
crying when your sweat washes the sunscreen into your eyes.

I'm not a dermo... doc, but do want you to protect your health.
Unlike the East/midwest, if the weather is near norm, humidity will
be VERY LOW.

CONTACT wearers:  FORGET IT. The dust will scratch your eyes like
sandpaper.  My girlfriend wears contacts.  She rode White Rim with me
last year.  She's wearing her glasses w/ a sunshade clipon this year.

Yikes, now Mother Nature is going to make a liar out of me and rain.
Ahhhh....  where's my Gore Tex???

BB2K

--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, Nancy Pacheco <npjp2002@y...>
wrote:
> Guys and gals,
> I've never been on the Kokopelli trail, but I'm a
> veteran of long mtb rides in Pennsylvania and West
> Virginia, NY, etc. and believe me, if you want rocks
> roots mud and everything else in between, come ride
> this part of the country.  If you are in shape and
> have put the miles and training you shouldn't have a
> lot of problems.
> Kathy, you rode the trail last year you said earlier,
> you should have a good idea of what type of training
> you need. Don't start working yourselves into a frenzi
> about the ride. You still have 4 weeks to train don't
> wait until the last week. Remember what Alex always
> reminds us, "It's not a race".
> Here's a couple of tips:
> When you stop to take a picture or admire the view,
> don't stop for to long. Your muscles will start to
> stiffen up and it takes you a while to get going
> again. At lunch time, make sure you strech a bit and
> don't linger at the lunch stop for to long. Eat your
> lunch, rest while you eat and get ready to go again.
> The longer you stay, the longer you are going to get
> to camp.
> Other that that enjoy the ride, smile and have fun
> doesn't matter what happens.
>
>
>
> --- khudgens2003 <khudgens@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Eladio,
> >
> > Since you are from Texas, you may be used to seeing
> > the type of
> > country we will be in.  I'm not!  I still am left
> > speechless even yet
> > when I look at my pictures. I feel like I've gone to
> > another world.  I
> > don't recognize anything.  The last thing I want to
> > do is hurry
> > through the day. Good thing!  Ha!  Someone else will
> > have to tell you
> > about pace.  Nearly everyone was gone by the time I
> > got to the
> > breaks.  The cutoff was about 3:30 for the first
> > day's lunch and noon
> > for the second, if I recall correctly. If you missed
> > the cutoff, you
> > sagged.  If you are more than a beginning mtn biker,
> > I don't think you
> > will have trouble making the cutoff times. I was
> > late because I had to
> > push too much.  Some places everyone pushes/carries.
> > Be sure to have
> > lights for your bike the second day.  Dark was
> > catching several riders.
> >
> > Wish I could be more help.  Frank B. would be a good
> > one to chip in
> > here.
> >
> > Kathy
> >
> > --- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "Eladio Sandi"
> > <esandi@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just wondering what the pace generally is on this
> > ride.  I'm all for
> > a
> > > good workout, but I'm not quite sure how to pace
> > myself for three
> > > solid days of ridding.
> > >
> > > Also how long's the downtime at lunch?  I plan to
> > try my hand at
> > > duplicating the effort on my local trails to see
> > what kind of shape
> > > I'm in.
> > >
> > > Any insight from the vereran Kokopelli-ers out
> > there
> > >
> > > ES
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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#51 From: "BikeBandit2000" <h_ong@...>
Date: Thu Apr 7, 2005 9:22 pm
Subject: Hydration tip BikeBandit2000
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I hope everyone has their hydration plan down.  The "Trail" is not
the time to experiment.  Hope you know what you like because you'll
be
sucking it down for 6-8+ hours.

My hydration drink is Accelerade at 1/2 strength.  Since my bike only
has 1 H20 bottle holder, I'm planning to mix my energy drink double
strength and cut it w/ water from my Camelback.

Just as a change of taste and to clear my tongue, I'll drink straight
water for a short stretch.  To make up for the electroyte, I carry
small salt packets and take it with water.  These are the salt
packets
you find at fast food places.  Other sources of salt are pretzels,
salted peanuts/almonds, etc.  Use a small zip lock bag to carry the
packets and grub to keep dry.  Recycle the small bag for your trash.
This helps keeps the used sticky gel packets from gluing your jersey
pockets shut.

Happy Trails....

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#50 From: "BikeBandit2000" <h_ong@...>
Date: Thu Apr 7, 2005 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: Stans tubelss BikeBandit2000
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Eric,
   Just guessing, if your LBS's dist'r didn't have it in stock, they
probably ordered it directly from Stan's.  (Thank You for supporting
your LBS. I hope they follow through for you.)
   If you want to order the kit directly from Stan's at around $60, The
link is:   www.notubes.com
   You can check eBay for a lower price, but I think you are running
out of time.

Good luck,
Howard

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> How long should it take to get a Stans Tubeless tire system. I
ordered one on March 29th, and still don't have it? I went thru a
local bike shop to get it.

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#49 From: Eric Hanson <ehanson7@...>
Date: Thu Apr 7, 2005 8:57 pm
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How long should it take to get a Stans Tubeless tire system. I ordered one on March 29th, and still don't have it? I went thru a local bike shop to get it.

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#48 From: "Alex Hearn" <alex@...>
Date: Thu Apr 7, 2005 3:40 am
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#47 From: "Eladio Sandi" <esandi@...>
Date: Wed Apr 6, 2005 2:20 am
Subject: Re: So what's the pace going to be? es_elpaso
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Hey All,

Thanks for the great feedback everyone.  It sounds like this is going
to be the right crowd to ride with.  My question was asked with a bit
of nervous concern...I've been on way too many rides with friends who
say "we're doing an easy pace" only to realize two hours into it that
I'm at the back of the pack and down to my last breath.

While I do race a couple times a year, that was not what I had in mind
when I signed up for this one.  I'm looking for three days of ridding
with a good friend...making some new friends along the way...sleeping
under the stars, and not seeing a single soul other then the gang I
rode in with...Most importantly I'm hoping to enjoys three solid days
of mountain biking without having to pull cactus spines out of any
part of my body (that alone would be heaven).

As for the scenery, I'm constantly in awe of the desert.  I moved to
west Texas from the tropics of South Flordia a few years ago, and have
no intention of every going back.

Can't Wait....

ES

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#46 From: "Frank Traditi" <frank@...>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 9:32 pm
Subject: RE: So what's the pace going to be? ftraditi
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Hi Eladio,

I was part of the Bikerpelli tour last year and I've ridden the first
section of the trail several times. I was asking the same questions you
are about the same time last year. Depending on how strong of an
endurance rider you are, plan on spending anywhere between 7.5 and 9
hours per day on the trail. This includes rest periods and lunch. There
really isn't a pace for the ride. Most people settle in to their own
riding tempo after lunch the first day.

You'll have enough adrenaline rush to get you through day one. Then
you'll want to settle in for day two and three. Both day two and three
are big mileage days with double track, railroad grade, paved/dirt road,
long sustained climbs, and killer downhills. If you plan to ride up the
dirt road directly after lunch on day two, you'll want to save some
energy from the morning ride. I think this is the section where you can
get a ride up the hill. It's a long grind in what Alex claims is a
"middle chain ring" climb - I beg to differ. We'll talk more about that
one over the first night campfire.

As for getting prepared before the expedition, I highly recommend you
try to get two, maybe three, 4-6 hour rides on your bike. If you can do
it all on dirt, all the better. Even if you have to ride on road, get
the saddle time in. You need to know what your body feels like riding
several hours in a day. If you can string two of them together, that's
even better. I'm also a roadie and ride quite a few Century rides
throughout the year and that helps me gauge how my body feels throughout
the day.

It's also very tempting to blow out some of that pent up excitement
during the first 15 miles or so. Resist the temptation. It is one of the
most technical parts of the ride but also one of the most scenic. Enjoy
both aspects of this section. Take in the sites and have fun putting
your technical skills to the test. Just don't overdo it. There's another
130 miles to enjoy!

Bottom line Eladio, you are going to have a blast. This is an experience
you'll talk about for a long time.

Frank

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-----Original Message-----
From: Eladio Sandi [mailto:esandi@...]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:34 PM
To: Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bikerpelli] So what's the pace going to be?




Just wondering what the pace generally is on this ride.  I'm all for a
good workout, but I'm not quite sure how to pace myself for three solid
days of ridding.

Also how long's the downtime at lunch?  I plan to try my hand at
duplicating the effort on my local trails to see what kind of shape I'm
in.

Any insight from the vereran Kokopelli-ers out there

ES







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#45 From: "Alex Hearn" <alex@...>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 8:38 pm
Subject: RE: So what's the pace going to be? ahearn10
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I'm going to sound off on this one, as it's pretty important.  The pace is
best described as casual, and as one vet put it, the key is to never put
yourself into the red.

If you're into HR monitors, think about how long you can sustain riding at
85% of your max - maybe an hour or so for most.  Back that down to 75% and
you're probably good for 3+ hours.  At 65%, a fit rider should be able to
ride over 6 hours given that they're eating & hydrating well.  That's where
you need to be.

A couple keys to that - first is your training.  Riding at 65% of your max
shouldn't be taxing to your muscles if you've trained right.  What I mean is
that you're not breaking down the muscles while you ride they way you would
doing squats or lunges in the gym.  Easy if we're talking about flat ground,
but we've got hills out there, so you'll need to condition yourself to
riding long stretches using a lot of power.

Once the legs are OK with this, the other keys come into play, that's eating
enough calories & drinking lots of water.  I can't tell you how much you
need to eat per hour - play that by ear.  I can say that you'll never eat
too much, but you can definitely eat too little.  And a word of warning
here: On trips like these, there's always someone thinking this will be a
great way to lose weight & won't eat anything.  Don't be that person.  That
person is a candidate for an ambulance ride.

About the water, the best gauge is how often you have to pee.  You should be
stopping behind a rock at least once per hour.  If not, you're not drinking
enough & should expect the miles to be slower & tougher because your heart
has to work harder.

If you're not into HR monitors, a good indicator of how hard you're working
is the ability to carry on a conversation without breaking up sentences to
breathe.  If you have to stop mid-sentence, you're working harder than 65%.

To answer the other ??'s, lunch is until 3 pm roughly, hang out as long as
you like.  Most only stop for 30 min.  And in case you're thinking there's a
group pace, there's not.  Everyone generally spreads out & does their own
thing in groups of 2-8.

Remember, this is a marathon, not a sprint.  The urge to hammer mostly comes
during the first 3 hours of day one & the last 3 of day three because
they're the most singletrack-intensive.  Between those points something
happens to make you forget mileages & times and just settle into a rhythm
with the desert, and that's when the Kokopelli's pure magic.

Those of you that have ridden with us before, your input would be good on
this one.



  Alex Hearn

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-----Original Message-----
From: Eladio Sandi [mailto:esandi@...]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:34 PM
To: Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bikerpelli] So what's the pace going to be?



Just wondering what the pace generally is on this ride.  I'm all for a
good workout, but I'm not quite sure how to pace myself for three
solid days of ridding.

Also how long's the downtime at lunch?  I plan to try my hand at
duplicating the effort on my local trails to see what kind of shape
I'm in.

Any insight from the vereran Kokopelli-ers out there

ES







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#44 From: Nancy Pacheco <npjp2002@...>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: Re: So what's the pace going to be? npjp2002
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Guys and gals,
I've never been on the Kokopelli trail, but I'm a
veteran of long mtb rides in Pennsylvania and West
Virginia, NY, etc. and believe me, if you want rocks
roots mud and everything else in between, come ride
this part of the country.  If you are in shape and
have put the miles and training you shouldn't have a
lot of problems.
Kathy, you rode the trail last year you said earlier,
you should have a good idea of what type of training
you need. Don't start working yourselves into a frenzi
about the ride. You still have 4 weeks to train don't
wait until the last week. Remember what Alex always
reminds us, "It's not a race".
Here's a couple of tips:
When you stop to take a picture or admire the view,
don't stop for to long. Your muscles will start to
stiffen up and it takes you a while to get going
again. At lunch time, make sure you strech a bit and
don't linger at the lunch stop for to long. Eat your
lunch, rest while you eat and get ready to go again.
The longer you stay, the longer you are going to get
to camp.
Other that that enjoy the ride, smile and have fun
doesn't matter what happens.

--- khudgens2003 <khudgens@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Eladio,
>
> Since you are from Texas, you may be used to seeing
> the type of
> country we will be in.  I'm not!  I still am left
> speechless even yet
> when I look at my pictures. I feel like I've gone to
> another world.  I
> don't recognize anything.  The last thing I want to
> do is hurry
> through the day. Good thing!  Ha!  Someone else will
> have to tell you
> about pace.  Nearly everyone was gone by the time I
> got to the
> breaks.  The cutoff was about 3:30 for the first
> day's lunch and noon
> for the second, if I recall correctly. If you missed
> the cutoff, you
> sagged.  If you are more than a beginning mtn biker,
> I don't think you
> will have trouble making the cutoff times. I was
> late because I had to
> push too much.  Some places everyone pushes/carries.
> Be sure to have
> lights for your bike the second day.  Dark was
> catching several riders.
>
> Wish I could be more help.  Frank B. would be a good
> one to chip in
> here.
>
> Kathy
>
> --- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "Eladio Sandi"
> <esandi@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Just wondering what the pace generally is on this
> ride.  I'm all for
> a
> > good workout, but I'm not quite sure how to pace
> myself for three
> > solid days of ridding.
> >
> > Also how long's the downtime at lunch?  I plan to
> try my hand at
> > duplicating the effort on my local trails to see
> what kind of shape
> > I'm in.
> >
> > Any insight from the vereran Kokopelli-ers out
> there
> >
> > ES
>
>
>
>

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#43 From: "khudgens2003" <khudgens@...>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 9:22 am
Subject: Re: So what's the pace going to be? khudgens2003
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Hi Eladio,

Since you are from Texas, you may be used to seeing the type of
country we will be in.  I'm not!  I still am left speechless even yet
when I look at my pictures. I feel like I've gone to another world.  I
don't recognize anything.  The last thing I want to do is hurry
through the day. Good thing!  Ha!  Someone else will have to tell you
about pace.  Nearly everyone was gone by the time I got to the
breaks.  The cutoff was about 3:30 for the first day's lunch and noon
for the second, if I recall correctly. If you missed the cutoff, you
sagged.  If you are more than a beginning mtn biker, I don't think you
will have trouble making the cutoff times. I was late because I had to
push too much.  Some places everyone pushes/carries. Be sure to have
lights for your bike the second day.  Dark was catching several riders.

Wish I could be more help.  Frank B. would be a good one to chip in
here.

Kathy

--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "Eladio Sandi" <esandi@s...> wrote:
>
> Just wondering what the pace generally is on this ride.  I'm all for
a
> good workout, but I'm not quite sure how to pace myself for three
> solid days of ridding.
>
> Also how long's the downtime at lunch?  I plan to try my hand at
> duplicating the effort on my local trails to see what kind of shape
> I'm in.
>
> Any insight from the vereran Kokopelli-ers out there
>
> ES

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#42 From: "Eladio Sandi" <esandi@...>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 2:33 am
Subject: So what's the pace going to be? es_elpaso
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Just wondering what the pace generally is on this ride.  I'm all for a
good workout, but I'm not quite sure how to pace myself for three
solid days of ridding.

Also how long's the downtime at lunch?  I plan to try my hand at
duplicating the effort on my local trails to see what kind of shape
I'm in.

Any insight from the vereran Kokopelli-ers out there

ES

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#41 From: "yalbike" <wbillmulthauf@...>
Date: Sat Apr 2, 2005 7:18 am
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Hey Buckaroos, just got back this evening from spending three days
playing on Mary's, Lion's & Steve's Loops at the beginning of the
Kokopelli.  Also rode from Rabbitt's Valley up to Bitter Creek
overlook...all part of the first day's ride...put the road bikes away
and get out those wide rides and put some time in sharpening up those
singletrack skills.  I was averaging less than 8 mph on most of the
rides.  That means six to eight hours riding per day!!!  Granted we
will be doing some road riding, but what I saw paved by Cisco Pumphouse
was old, beatup and narrow. But I can't wait to get back out there and
see the rest of the ride...you guys from Cleveland are going to love
this stuff!!  I rode with a couple of antelopes!!!

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#40 From: Nancy Pacheco <npjp2002@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 12:18 pm
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All four of us from the Cleveland, OH area can't wait.
This is going to be a great ride.
Juan...npjp2002
--- LyBrec@... wrote:
> I am lucky to live and ride the kokopelli trails and
> as of this week the
> trails are in good shape. There are some ruts and
> cow prints but they will
> probably be gone by May. In general the trails are
> all dry and ridable. The wild
> flowers this year will be the best ever, it's going
> to be a great ride.   Frank
> from G. J.
>



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