All four of us from the Cleveland, OH area can't wait.
This is going to be a great ride.
Juan...npjp2002
--- LyBrec@... wrote:
> I am lucky to live and ride the kokopelli trails and
> as of this week the
> trails are in good shape. There are some ruts and
> cow prints but they will
> probably be gone by May. In general the trails are
> all dry and ridable. The wild
> flowers this year will be the best ever, it's going
> to be a great ride.   Frank
> from G. J.
>



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No thanks, I'll stick to the road.
Juan


--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "khudgens2003" <khudgens@s...> wrote:
>
> Horse poop and mud!  Great motivator!  I just came back from a trail
> that still had several deep stretches of standing water(?) soppy with
> horse poop and mud.  I made it through one of the last globby spots
> cause I didn't want to land in it --again. Great motivator! Makes you
> keep up that spin.
>
> Anyone else?
>
> Kathy

Horse poop and mud!  Great motivator!  I just came back from a trail
that still had several deep stretches of standing water(?) soppy with
horse poop and mud.  I made it through one of the last globby spots
cause I didn't want to land in it --again. Great motivator! Makes you
keep up that spin.

Anyone else?

Kathy

Eladio,
Your friends are right, but you have to take into
consideration what works for you. Not everybody is the
same. Yes, I do a lot of spinning on my road bike in
the early spring, but I use a 42 tooth chain ring.
Late spring I'm on the 53 most of the time. The idea
of riding with the lower gears was because it sounded
like she didn't want to climb all the time, so use
your low gears on flat rds. to simulate the hill
without the hill. Does it make sense?
Most r bikes have a 39. With the 42 you can spin and
power over some short (or long hills) without any
problem. Meaning you don't have to be on your 52/53
chain ring all the time. I also use a 12/27 cassette.
I used to ride a 12/23 but with the 12/27 you can pace
yourself on steep hills instead of trying to power
yourself to the top and your legs don't suffer as
much.
Gather information and try different types of
training. Eventually you'll find one that will work.
I wouldn't recommend changing a lot right know since
it's only 1 month before the ride. What I do recommend
is doing long rides on the road with plenty of hills,
with a ride or two a week on dirt.
Riding 25 dirt miles is like 50 on the road. Train
accordingly and always drink lots of fluids.

Juan Pacheco

--- Eladio Sandi <esandi@...> wrote:
>
> npjp2002, you're making me feel really guilty about
> slacking off on my
> workout.  Sounds like you have your plan together.
>
> One questions though.  I've always been told by
> several of my full
> time roadie friends to stay away from the low gears
> when training, and
> to focus more on pedal speed.  While I've tried to
> listen to them I
> can't help notice that they have completely
> different body types (they
> are tall and lean a la Lance, while I'm
> meatier...more of a Jan
> Ulrich).  So, I'm wondering whether they are right
> in that everyone
> should train their way...daintily pedaling as fast
> as I can, or should
> I just let my legs do what they seem more designed
> for...slower steady
> power?
>
> Just curious
>
> Eladio
>
> --- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "npjp2002"
> <npjp2002@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Ride with a lower gear must of the time to
> simulate hills.
> > Join a spinning class. I teach one 3 times a week.
> It keeps your legs
> > and butt in shape. You can add as much resistance
> as you want. Keep
> > in mind the feel of the road is different when you
> take in
> > consideration the wind and the grade of the road.
> As far as weights,
> > I lift 3 times a week. 2 light 1 heavy day.
> Meaning: light days, lots
> > fof reps with light weight. heavy days: more
> weight less reps. This
> > is over the winter months. Once April comes around
> I cut down to two
> > days light weight all the time. Squats, leg press,
> hamstrings and
> > shoulder and arms. Join a Gym and do your weights
> early in the
> > morning if you can get up that early.
> > As far as so many miles to ride. I mainly ride the
> road and worry
> > about longer rides with "good miles". Lots of
> hills and a brisk pace.
> > Piling on the miles at a slow pace doesn't really
> do you any good.
> >
> > Try to get to Fruita a couple of days early to get
> used to the
> > altitude.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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npjp2002, you're making me feel really guilty about slacking off on my
workout.  Sounds like you have your plan together.

One questions though.  I've always been told by several of my full
time roadie friends to stay away from the low gears when training, and
to focus more on pedal speed.  While I've tried to listen to them I
can't help notice that they have completely different body types (they
are tall and lean a la Lance, while I'm meatier...more of a Jan
Ulrich).  So, I'm wondering whether they are right in that everyone
should train their way...daintily pedaling as fast as I can, or should
I just let my legs do what they seem more designed for...slower steady
power?

Just curious

Eladio

--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "npjp2002" <npjp2002@y...> wrote:
>
> Ride with a lower gear must of the time to simulate hills.
> Join a spinning class. I teach one 3 times a week. It keeps your legs
> and butt in shape. You can add as much resistance as you want. Keep
> in mind the feel of the road is different when you take in
> consideration the wind and the grade of the road. As far as weights,
> I lift 3 times a week. 2 light 1 heavy day. Meaning: light days, lots
> fof reps with light weight. heavy days: more weight less reps. This
> is over the winter months. Once April comes around I cut down to two
> days light weight all the time. Squats, leg press, hamstrings and
> shoulder and arms. Join a Gym and do your weights early in the
> morning if you can get up that early.
> As far as so many miles to ride. I mainly ride the road and worry
> about longer rides with "good miles". Lots of hills and a brisk pace.
> Piling on the miles at a slow pace doesn't really do you any good.
>
> Try to get to Fruita a couple of days early to get used to the
> altitude.
>
>

Glad you like the trail food combo, Kathy. I, too, discovered those
Steak Bites and they are good. I alternate between the Steak Bites and
those mini "Slim Jim" type links. They work for me too because they are
bite size and just enough to take the edge off.

On another note...During a pilgrimage to Costco this past weekend, I
stopped at a taste-test-table (I have to stop at all of them) and took a
swig of a new energy drink called "Zipfizz". Zipfizz is packaged as
individual test-tubes that you mix with 16-20 ounces of water. I found
that the mix is just right for a standard 24 ounce water bottle.

First, I really liked the taste. That's key for me if I'm going to drink
something for eight hours. But there are two other nice benefits.
Zipfizz is loaded with nutrients and caffeine! And, that tube is perfect
to carry around with you to replenish your water bottle used for energy
drink.

I tried it on a couple of road rides this weekend and I liked the
results. I found that it really quenched my thirst. It has a touch of
carbonation (not much). They have a website up (one page under
construction) with a phone number: www.zipfizz.com A box of 20 test
tubes is $19.99.

I'm going to do some field testing on longer rides before Kokopelli and
see how it works. I'm thinking this will be a perfect way to manage the
energy drink portion of the ride.

Frank

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-----Original Message-----
From: khudgens2003 [mailto:khudgens@...]
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:45 PM
To: Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bikerpelli] Re: hungry on long rides




Hey Frank,  I tried your jerky/dried fruit combo.  It was really
good.  Along with an asiago cheese bagal and M&Ms, I felt like I was
having my own little feast right on the trail!  I was hesitant on the
jerky.  All I've ever found was really jerky-like meat, way to highly
seasoned for the burp factor and much too hard to chew while huffing
and puffing.  I found some new things called "Steak Bites" that were
chuncks of meat, tender, easily chewed, and easily popped in your
mouth.  They were not highly seasoned at all, just smokey-sweet, and
so they passed the burp test.  Great!

I think I'll try this without hauling the electrolyte mix.  A bag is
easier to carry than a bottle.

See you all!

Kathy







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Hey Frank,  I tried your jerky/dried fruit combo.  It was really
good.  Along with an asiago cheese bagal and M&Ms, I felt like I was
having my own little feast right on the trail!  I was hesitant on the
jerky.  All I've ever found was really jerky-like meat, way to highly
seasoned for the burp factor and much too hard to chew while huffing
and puffing.  I found some new things called "Steak Bites" that were
chuncks of meat, tender, easily chewed, and easily popped in your
mouth.  They were not highly seasoned at all, just smokey-sweet, and
so they passed the burp test.  Great!

I think I'll try this without hauling the electrolyte mix.  A bag is
easier to carry than a bottle.

See you all!

Kathy

In addition to the mtbr site which I use shopping are these two
indispendable sites -
1st choice:
http://www.bestwebbuys.com/index.html    (go to the tabs at the top)

http://www.epinions.com/

These links saved me a lot of time comparing prices.

BB2K

--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "khudgens2003" <khudgens@s...>
wrote:
>
> I have found mtnbike review a great place to see opinions on other
> products from people who have used them.  Stan's system is
reviewed
> in the tubless tire section.
> http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/tubeless_tire/product_122417.shtml

I have found mtnbike review a great place to see opinions on other
products from people who have used them.  Stan's system is reviewed
in the tubless tire section.
http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/tubeless_tire/product_122417.shtml

Hutchinson New Generation Pythons now on sale at Supergo for
$35/ea.  These are the new Pythons with a bigger/knobbier shoulder.
Not sure about any weight reduction.

Howard

--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "khudgens2003" <khudgens@s...>
wrote:
>
> I'd like to lighten up my bike as much as possible, and tubless
tires
> are very heavy.  I'd like to try the Hutchison Python Lites, but
> don't want a flat.  Around here (MO), the chert would slice them
up
> in no time.  Does anyone know if they would be okay for the
Kokopelli?
>
> Kathy

I'm curious why such a large/wide tire?  Is the trail that
soft/sandy?  I've been riding on Hutchinson Python 2.0.  Worked fine
on the White Rim except along Potato Bottom.  Also on Porcupine Rim
w/o any problems.  Maybe I'm just lucky.  :)

--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, LyBrec@a... wrote:
> I live next to the kokopellie trails and ride them several times a
week. I
> would not pick those tires for this ride. I currently ride conti-
2.3 vertical
> pro and they are excellent. I also ride wtb mutanoraptor 2.25 and
they work
> well. The tires you mention will flat easily.

Ride with a lower gear must of the time to simulate hills.
Join a spinning class. I teach one 3 times a week. It keeps your legs
and butt in shape. You can add as much resistance as you want. Keep
in mind the feel of the road is different when you take in
consideration the wind and the grade of the road. As far as weights,
I lift 3 times a week. 2 light 1 heavy day. Meaning: light days, lots
fof reps with light weight. heavy days: more weight less reps. This
is over the winter months. Once April comes around I cut down to two
days light weight all the time. Squats, leg press, hamstrings and
shoulder and arms. Join a Gym and do your weights early in the
morning if you can get up that early.
As far as so many miles to ride. I mainly ride the road and worry
about longer rides with "good miles". Lots of hills and a brisk pace.
Piling on the miles at a slow pace doesn't really do you any good.

Try to get to Fruita a couple of days early to get used to the
altitude.



--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "khudgens2003" <khudgens@s...>
wrote:
>
> I would like to hear more about the training you folks do out
there,
> and if I'm doing what I need to be doing here (Missouri). I'm at
> about 1400' elevation.
>
> I came to the Kokopelli ride last year after doing the recommended
> training.  While I think my endurance was okay, I think I had as
much
> push time on my bike as ride time --no mtn biking skills, though I
> had a good start when I got done.  Anyway, when you say 20-25 miles
> on the dirt, do you mean trails?  Gee, I did 10 miles of the Sac
> River Trail near my house last week that took me 3 hours to do and
a
> week to get over! I quit when I could lift my arms no more and
> couldn't swing my leg over my bike. Am I horribly behind?  Are the
> trails you mention those with rock gardens, ledges and lots of that
> stuff I'm trying to learn to stay upright on, or just a nice little
> singletrack?  From what I saw out there, there is a lot of nice
> little singletrack.  Plenty of the other stuff, too.
>
> In my training this year, I've tried to include some weights to get
> some improved body strength which has cut into my ride time. I
> haven't done near as many miles so far, but the miles I've done
have
> been much harder to do --more loose gravel to balance over, more
> steep grades. I'm shooting more for time on the bike than distance
> covered. My home loop is 31/2 miles with 2 big steep hills, 2
smaller
> hills and about half of a gentle grade, gravel.  It averages a 4%
> grade. I also have a 12 mile gravel loop 6% grade area that I climb
> 1700'. I've got to really motivate myself to do that one. It climbs
> as much as anything around that I've found.  In April, I'm going to
> try to do the trails at least once a week. Suggestions?
>
> Kathy
>
> --- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "yalbike" <wbillmulthauf@a...>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "Eladio Sandi" <esandi@s...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just wondering what kind of training everyone is up to.
> > >
> > > I've been doing about 20 miles on the road 3x a week and 20-25
> miles
> > > on the dirt on both Saturday's and Sunday's.  Just got over the
> Flu
> > a
> > > couple weeks ago and feel like I'm playing catch up when it
comes
> to
> > > training.
> > >
> > > Any recommendations...
> >  Eladio...just stay the course, hang in there and the next chance
> you
> > get, push the dirt ride out past 30 miles, just go a little
further
> > out on the same trail if its got the distance to it.  I'm riding
in
> > Boulder, Colorado and in March that means snow...the dirt trails
> are
> > cover with mud or snow which means "I'm on the road again".

--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "khudgens2003" <khudgens@s...>
wrote:
>
> I'd like to lighten up my bike as much as possible, and tubless
tires
> are very heavy.  I'd like to try the Hutchison Python Lites, but
> don't want a flat.  Around here (MO), the chert would slice them up
> in no time.  Does anyone know if they would be okay for the
Kokopelli?
>
> Kathy

Kathy,
For a ride this long you need a set of tires that have a lot of meat.
Meaning "big tires" Remember is not a race. The tires Frank recomends
are very good. I would recomend you fold one of your tires and throw
it in your camel back. just in case

I'd like to lighten up my bike as much as possible, and tubless tires
are very heavy.  I'd like to try the Hutchison Python Lites, but
don't want a flat.  Around here (MO), the chert would slice them up
in no time.  Does anyone know if they would be okay for the Kokopelli?

Kathy

While I haven't mtn biked very long, I have spent a lot of time on a
bike.  I have tried several things:
Sweet potatoes mashed up with orange juice and maybe a little sugar
in a baggie.  You can squeeze out the goodie from a corner of the
bag, but that doesn't work while riding.
Just a small baked potato works pretty well and is packable.
Fruit is nice but heavy.  Many folks like raisins.
Really, I look for the "burp factor".  I don't want to eat anything
that doesn't pass this test, and it will be individual for each
person.  I like Cliff bars, but don't think its good to eat too many
times a daily allowance of vitamins, especially the fat-soluble ones,
so I limit them.
I've also quadruple-strength gaitorade (or what ever I can get to
dissolve) in a water bottle along with corn syrup for a whole bottle
of instant enery and electrolytes --cheap!  You've just got to
remember to take several gulps of water with each gulp of mix.  You
have to try this too, cause too strong can be a little gaggy.
What has come to be a standby for me are St Louis Bread company
bagals.  Asiago cheese.  Great with fruit or orange flavored
gaitorade mix.  We will buy a big sack before we come.  They keep
till they are gone.  They just get hard. I like that. One fits well
in a jersy pocket or pack, and I can take a bite as I ride pocketing
the rest.  They don't tend to crumble so are okay if breathing a
little hard.  They run 5-600 calories a piece, so a couple bites go
for a while.  They are big enough to slice. That might work well, too.

Well, I think I've had my time on the forum today.  I look forward to
everyone's comments and your support and enthusiasm!

Kathy


--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "yalbike" <wbillmulthauf@a...>
wrote:
>
> the problem that I keep running into on long rides (besides the
sore
> tush)is hunger.  I can't hear the approaching cars over the
> grumbling tummy.  A big breakfast will only carry me so far, and
> frankly the its no fun to ride with with a full gut, so whats a
> rider to do?  Don't want to take the time to stop and eat, anything
> work to take the edge off the appetite until I get back to the
> crib?

I would like to hear more about the training you folks do out there,
and if I'm doing what I need to be doing here (Missouri). I'm at
about 1400' elevation.

I came to the Kokopelli ride last year after doing the recommended
training.  While I think my endurance was okay, I think I had as much
push time on my bike as ride time --no mtn biking skills, though I
had a good start when I got done.  Anyway, when you say 20-25 miles
on the dirt, do you mean trails?  Gee, I did 10 miles of the Sac
River Trail near my house last week that took me 3 hours to do and a
week to get over! I quit when I could lift my arms no more and
couldn't swing my leg over my bike. Am I horribly behind?  Are the
trails you mention those with rock gardens, ledges and lots of that
stuff I'm trying to learn to stay upright on, or just a nice little
singletrack?  From what I saw out there, there is a lot of nice
little singletrack.  Plenty of the other stuff, too.

In my training this year, I've tried to include some weights to get
some improved body strength which has cut into my ride time. I
haven't done near as many miles so far, but the miles I've done have
been much harder to do --more loose gravel to balance over, more
steep grades. I'm shooting more for time on the bike than distance
covered. My home loop is 31/2 miles with 2 big steep hills, 2 smaller
hills and about half of a gentle grade, gravel.  It averages a 4%
grade. I also have a 12 mile gravel loop 6% grade area that I climb
1700'. I've got to really motivate myself to do that one. It climbs
as much as anything around that I've found.  In April, I'm going to
try to do the trails at least once a week. Suggestions?

Kathy

--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "yalbike" <wbillmulthauf@a...>
wrote:
>
> --- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "Eladio Sandi" <esandi@s...>
wrote:
> >
> > Just wondering what kind of training everyone is up to.
> >
> > I've been doing about 20 miles on the road 3x a week and 20-25
miles
> > on the dirt on both Saturday's and Sunday's.  Just got over the
Flu
> a
> > couple weeks ago and feel like I'm playing catch up when it comes
to
> > training.
> >
> > Any recommendations...
>  Eladio...just stay the course, hang in there and the next chance
you
> get, push the dirt ride out past 30 miles, just go a little further
> out on the same trail if its got the distance to it.  I'm riding in
> Boulder, Colorado and in March that means snow...the dirt trails
are
> cover with mud or snow which means "I'm on the road again".

Ha!  I made it!  This has been an adventure in itself!

Stans --I started last year with cheap rims I converted, or tried to
convert.  It did finally work, but took gobs of sealant. I think most
people don't try this with cheapie rims.  Anyway, my next rims were
tubless, and I still put Stan's in my tires.  The guys at the bike
shop have differing views.  One doesn't have troubles with punctures
and is without Stan's.  2 of the others won't leave home without it.
I was tempted to try my new tires without Stan's since the tubless
tires are so heavy anyway.  Third time round my "block" and I was
pushing my bike home.  I wonder if I didn't run over a piece of
barbed wire. Stan's sealed the puncture after I put it in.  I have
noticed that the little particles in the mix will glob into a ball in
time that makes those particles usless to stop a leak, so it needs to
be changed sometimes.  This also happened in my bottle of Stan's at
home, so I try to shake it up every now and then.

I'd like to know if the Hutchinson Python Lites would be okay on the
ride.  They are sure lighter!  I'll ask on another thread.

Here's my 2 cents worth.
    Your digestive system can only process about 280-350 +/-
calories/hr.  So, if you load up your stomach w/ much more, you get
that "full" feeling that's ok if your at a desk, but quite
lethergical (sp?) if you're pedaling.  And if you're really pushing,
your digestive system will even slow down even more where you'll
process even fewer calories/hr.
   So if one is only able to refuel at 300 cals/hr, where does the
rest of the energy come from?  The glucose that's stored in your
body.  One has about 2,000 cals of glucose.  When it's gone, it's
GONE.  Otherwise known as "the BONK".
    So how does one sustain the energy for a long ride?  This is one
reason for training?  Besides the muscular enhancement, training
also trains the digestive system.  As an example, when I'm in very
fit condition and I'm working at 70% Max heart rate, my caloric fuel
source is about 60% glucose and 40% body fat.  The professional
Couch Potato would be burning considerably more glucose and less
much less body fat.
    For my long rides, I generally eat a light breakfast of oatmeal
w/ skim milk, yorgurt or hardboiled egg, fruit, and maybe a bagel,
juice and COFFEE :).  That's about 700-800 cals.  My body will
immediately start digesting it because I just woke up from an
overnight fast.  Takes an hour or so to get my gear together,
drive,etc.
   During the ride, I'm sucking down 24 oz hydration an hour (80 +/-
cals), a banana or a chunk of sweet potato or nibble on a bar (200+
cals/hr) that I keep in my pocket.  Pretzels help keep my sodium
level up.  Instead of a bar, 1/2 of a bagel PBJ taste good too.  I
may also pop a gel (100 cal) during the hour.  That's 300 +/- cals
for the hour.  That on top of breakfast keeps me going to lunch.

    You can train your digestive system to delay the bonk too.  I
call it my morning Bonk stress workout.  In brief, After waking up,
skip breakfast except for some juice, take 2 bottles of hydration
with me and then head out for a 1-2 hr ride at 70-85% (high aerobic)
heart rate.  It stresses your body by draining it of glucose.  When
you return, you should be "near bonking".  Your body learns to
recognize the "feeling" and starts to kick in the fat burning
sooner.  As a backup, I carry 2 gels and a bar just in case my ride
turns out longer than planned.

   Hope that helps.

Bikebandit2000


--- In Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com, "yalbike" <wbillmulthauf@a...>
wrote:
>
> the problem that I keep running into on long rides (besides the
sore
> tush)is hunger.  I can't hear the approaching cars over the
> grumbling tummy.  A big breakfast will only carry me so far, and
> frankly the its no fun to ride with with a full gut, so whats a
> rider to do?  Don't want to take the time to stop and eat,
anything
> work to take the edge off the appetite until I get back to the
> crib?

Seems like a good time to throw this info out there.

If you're flying into Colorado for the event, here's what you need
to know.  First, your choices are to fly into Grand Junction or into
Denver.

If you fly to Denver, plan on 3.5 hours driving time from the
airport to Fruita (250 miles)(barring weather on the passes).  You
can either rent a car or hitch a ride with someone in the area who's
coming - check the rider list, maybe post something here.  Arrive
anytime you like, so long as you're at the start the next AM.

We'll have you back to the trailhead Sunday around lunchtime, that
means no later than 1PM.  If you boogie from there, you can probably
make a 7PM flight out OK.

If you fly into Grand Junction, you're only 10 minutes or so from
Fruita, so you can come as late as you like on Wednesday & grab a
cab/shuttle to the hotel.  Th GC airport is small, so departing from
there should be quick affair, not like Denver.  I'm assuming this.

If you're renting a bike or shipping it ahead of time, details about
how/where/who will be in the next update, early April.

Something else to think about, if you're coming in from a low-
altitude, it'd be helpful to arrive a couple days earlier so you can
acclimate.  Not necessary, but helpful, meaning the ride will be
easier that way.

Also in the next update will be hotel info.  We have a group rate
with the Fruita Super 8 & Comfort Inn, but it's a minimal discount.
Expect the hotels in Fruita to fill up that week, but plenty of
space in Grand Junction.  Also lots of free camping close by.

If you'd like to go ahead & book a room, call the Super 8 (both
hotels operate together) 970.858.0808.  We have 35 rooms reserved
under "Bikerpelli."

I, like you, have tried many a bar and goo packet. I rode the Kokopelli
last year and landed on a satisfying, but somewhat weird, combination
for fuel - beef jerky and dried fruit. I find the beef jerky (or those
little sausage pieces) fill the protein and salt void real quick. And
they are tasty when you are working up a big sweat. The dried fruit (my
favorite is pineapple), gives me the sugar buzz I need. I don't feel
full after eating this combo and it carries me through the day. I'll
also carry a goo packet and bar to break things up during the day.

For all of you who are first time Kokopellier's, you are in for a true
adventure and treat!

Frank

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-----Original Message-----
From: yalbike [mailto:wbillmulthauf@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:49 AM
To: Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bikerpelli] hungry on long rides




the problem that I keep running into on long rides (besides the sore
tush)is hunger.  I can't hear the approaching cars over the
grumbling tummy.  A big breakfast will only carry me so far, and
frankly the its no fun to ride with with a full gut, so whats a
rider to do?  Don't want to take the time to stop and eat, anything
work to take the edge off the appetite until I get back to the
crib?







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----- Original Message -----

From: wbillmulthauf@...

To: Bikerpelli@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:26 AM

Subject: Re: [Bikerpelli] hungry on long rides

David

thanks for the response.  Have you tried any of those gels or bars?  I have been doing powerbars just to eat something while riding.  The riders at the bike shop suggested accelarate (sp?) but got a mixed response on which flavor.    

Bill