I went on line and signed up for the Wisconsin Ironman today for 2010!!!! Is
anyone else doing this race next year?

We need someone who is coming from Bellingham to pick up some cookies at baker's
Breakfast Cookies.  Any takers?  Call Lynne at 206 499-1903 Thanks, Jon

Foster, I think I said that I was probably naive thinking it is not an
issue.  I would like to think that the people we compete with as AGers
wouldn't even consider cheating, but it probably happens to some extent.
  There have been issues with people swimming with fins at ironmans,
drafting is always an issue, and people cut courses intentionally, why
not a bit of epo to give you that extra edge?  It is sad, but at the
sane time, I like to think that I am doing tris for the right reason,
and I refuse to allow the cheaters and dopers to ruin my fun.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [BhamTri] anecdote
> From: "Foster Rose" <fosterrose@...>
> Date: Tue, September 15, 2009 10:07 pm
> To: <BhamTri@yahoogroups.com>
>
>
>    A veteran club member might
>    suspect that it's the middle
>    of winter with this much
>    chat.  Is anybody still
>    training?  Actually, this is
>    one of the things that I like
>    about our club, that is the
>    frank and free wheeling
>    discussions on a variety of
>    subjects, some more compelling
>    than others.  Nevertheless,
>    lots of good ideas have been
>    shared and ultimately adding
>    to our collective body of
>    knowledge.  Although I'm more
>    like Daryl and prefer to think
>    that doping is not much of an
>    issue, I'm particularly
>    pleased to see that Erik, our
>    Club President, is so
>    passionate about opposing
>    doping.  Erik, your fulfilling
>    your role well!
>
>    Another subject - I finally
>    participated in Festival 542
>    and want to commend the
>    organizer Charley, who did a
>    great job.  The MT Baker Hill
>    Climb is certainly the
>    challenge that we would
>    imagine, but it's even better
>    without any autos.  The trail
>    run from White Salmon Lodge to
>    the summit is really neat and
>    features beautiful views on
>    each of the 6 assents and 5
>    descents.
>
>    Happy Training,
>    FOSTER
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>    [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups.
>    com] On Behalf Of
>    ekderoche@...
>    Sent: Friday, September 11,
>    2009 11:55 AM
>    To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>    Subject: Re: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>
>    Nicely written Mike! It all
>    comes down to a complete lack
>    of consequences for ones
>    actions... I see this more and
>    more now working with
>    kids/young adults. They seem
>    to just think that winning is
>    everything and as one so
>    eloquently stated, "it's the
>    ONLY thing." at all costs
>    right? Who cares if I cheated
>    to get there... Who cares that
>    I had to artificially achieve
>    greatness as long as I achieve
>    it... WIN at all costs and
>    consequences be damned. Should
>    be interesting to see how this
>    new rul/regulation plays out.
>    I applaud it but I fear it
>    will not stop anyone.
>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: michael.palmgren
>    <michaelpalmgren@...>
>    To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>    Sent: Fri, 11 Sep 2009
>    16:34:07 +0000 (UTC)
>    Subject: [BhamTri] anecdote
>    About 10 years ago I used to
>    race a midget sprint car
>    around here and occasionally
>    down in California. I was at
>    my niece's house in Eugene the
>    night after a big race in
>    Roseburg, Or, and called home
>    to check in. Sherry asked me
>    how it went and I was happy to
>    say I won! She said, "Why
>    don't you just go to the
>    Salvation army and buy a
>    trophy and skip all the work?
>    Who will know the difference?"
>    Partly she was not behind my
>    racing efforts and partly she
>    was worried about the risk
>    involved (pretty minimal I
>    thought) but I was fairly
>    deflated to say the least.
>    Well, I am sitting here right
>    now looking at the trophy
>    standing up behind the
>    computer monitor as I write.
>    She was right in one respect:
>    who knows what I got it for or
>    where? Who cares? Me! I
>    know... I know what it took to
>    get it and whether or not I
>    deserve it.
>    When an athlete takes
>    performance enhancing drugs it
>    really comes down to personal
>    integrity and a sense of moral
>    worth or values. Even the
>    person supplying the stuff may
>    not really know whether it is
>    used or not. I think this
>    situation is the root of a lot
>    of problems in our society
>    today.
>    Somewhere along the way it
>    became less and less of a
>    personal problem to lie about
>    your motives or even your
>    personal values and beliefs in
>    order to gain something (a
>    public office, an award,
>    money). Unfortunately,
>    politics has been the most
>    well publicized and obvious
>    sector of our society to
>    flaunt this philosophy. So, if
>    they do it and they are our
>    "leaders" it must be ok, eh?
>    Most people hate getting
>    speeding tickets--you just
>    feel badly about it regardless
>    of the monetary cost. Why? The
>    money is really irrelevant. We
>    just feel badly we have been
>    caught breaking the law--doing
>    something society (or the
>    lawmakers anyway) has decided
>    is not appropriate behavior
>    (and may put someone else at
>    risk). But some people don't,
>    they just got caught and try
>    to figure out ways not to get
>    caught and keep on with the
>    same behavior.
>    So I understand why there will
>    always be people who want to
>    win so badly they will break a
>    regulation or law or rule.
>    There are just lots of those
>    kinds of people around. But in
>    the case of athletes and
>    drugs, I have a real hard time
>    understanding how they justify
>    the personal risk! There is
>    nothing surefire or safe about
>    the current drugs at all. We
>    have young and older athletes
>    dropping over on the field DOA
>    frequently due to undiscovered
>    health problems. Do you have
>    one waiting for the right
>    combination of circumstances
>    to drop you? Who really knows?
>

Hey Foster!  So you did the hike/run?  I want to talk with you about that.  I
did the ride again this year and it was a spectacular day up there. I
agree--Charlie has done a great job with the whole deal.  I wanted to do the
hike on Saturday but already had something going plus a bit of a desire to save
it all for the bike ride.  Maybe next year.
I made it farther this year before guys started riding by me like I was standing
still so it was ok.
As far as the drug issue goes, I literally haven't thought about it at all
except when Erik posted the link last year and it came up again recently.  It
just doesn't even occur to me to think that someone has used something in any
event.  Unfortunately, some very odious behavior has been uncovered by folks
with a more skeptical and suspicious mind than I have who care enough to pursue
it.  Just not my MO to care about that at all.  But I do know how to have a
totally guaranteed performance enhancing drug free event--do your own.  Number
of entrants = 1--you.  Well, maybe I trust Daryl and a couple of others to join
me in my event without risk of tainting the victory circle. But then, of course,
i would never get to the victory circle, so forget it, Daryl is out.

Hi foster! Great to hear all is well. I had every intention to take part in the
weekends festivities for the 542 events but salmon fishing kind of took
priority. Have to get those omega-3 fatty acid stores for the winter! Glad you
had a good time.

Re: BTC... Wish I could do way more. I will do a better job if given the chance
to do so. Thanks fort the vote of confidence though. It is appreciated!

Re: doping and sports... I have been vehemently against it forever and have done
a bit of reading about it. Check out Fousts Gold for starters re: the east
Germans. Very eye opening.

Take care all!
----- Original Message -----
From: Foster Rose <fosterrose@...>
To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:16:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: RE: [BhamTri] anecdote

Daryl, I'll second that! - Foster



-----Original Message-----
From: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
daryl@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:55 AM
To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BhamTri] anecdote





Foster, I think I said that I was probably naive thinking it is not an
issue. I would like to think that the people we compete with as AGers
wouldn't even consider cheating, but it probably happens to some extent.
There have been issues with people swimming with fins at ironmans,
drafting is always an issue, and people cut courses intentionally, why
not a bit of epo to give you that extra edge? It is sad, but at the
sane time, I like to think that I am doing tris for the right reason,
and I refuse to allow the cheaters and dopers to ruin my fun.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [BhamTri] anecdote
> From: "Foster Rose" <fosterrose@comcast. <mailto:fosterrose%40comcast.net>
net>
> Date: Tue, September 15, 2009 10:07 pm
> To: <BhamTri@yahoogroups <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com> .com>
>
>
> A veteran club member might
> suspect that it's the middle
> of winter with this much
> chat. Is anybody still
> training? Actually, this is
> one of the things that I like
> about our club, that is the
> frank and free wheeling
> discussions on a variety of
> subjects, some more compelling
> than others. Nevertheless,
> lots of good ideas have been
> shared and ultimately adding
> to our collective body of
> knowledge. Although I'm more
> like Daryl and prefer to think
> that doping is not much of an
> issue, I'm particularly
> pleased to see that Erik, our
> Club President, is so
> passionate about opposing
> doping. Erik, your fulfilling
> your role well!
>
> Another subject - I finally
> participated in Festival 542
> and want to commend the
> organizer Charley, who did a
> great job. The MT Baker Hill
> Climb is certainly the
> challenge that we would
> imagine, but it's even better
> without any autos. The trail
> run from White Salmon Lodge to
> the summit is really neat and
> features beautiful views on
> each of the 6 assents and 5
> descents.
>
> Happy Training,
> FOSTER
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BhamTri@yahoogroups <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups.
> com] On Behalf Of
> ekderoche@comcast. <mailto:ekderoche%40comcast.net> net
> Sent: Friday, September 11,
> 2009 11:55 AM
> To: BhamTri@yahoogroups <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: Re: [BhamTri]
> anecdote
>
> Nicely written Mike! It all
> comes down to a complete lack
> of consequences for ones
> actions... I see this more and
> more now working with
> kids/young adults. They seem
> to just think that winning is
> everything and as one so
> eloquently stated, "it's the
> ONLY thing." at all costs
> right? Who cares if I cheated
> to get there... Who cares that
> I had to artificially achieve
> greatness as long as I achieve
> it... WIN at all costs and
> consequences be damned. Should
> be interesting to see how this
> new rul/regulation plays out.
> I applaud it but I fear it
> will not stop anyone.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michael.palmgren
> <michaelpalmgren@ <mailto:michaelpalmgren%40comcast.net> comcast.net>
> To: BhamTri@yahoogroups <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Sent: Fri, 11 Sep 2009
> 16:34:07 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: [BhamTri] anecdote
> About 10 years ago I used to
> race a midget sprint car
> around here and occasionally
> down in California. I was at
> my niece's house in Eugene the
> night after a big race in
> Roseburg, Or, and called home
> to check in. Sherry asked me
> how it went and I was happy to
> say I won! She said, "Why
> don't you just go to the
> Salvation army and buy a
> trophy and skip all the work?
> Who will know the difference?"
> Partly she was not behind my
> racing efforts and partly she
> was worried about the risk
> involved (pretty minimal I
> thought) but I was fairly
> deflated to say the least.
> Well, I am sitting here right
> now looking at the trophy
> standing up behind the
> computer monitor as I write.
> She was right in one respect:
> who knows what I got it for or
> where? Who cares? Me! I
> know... I know what it took to
> get it and whether or not I
> deserve it.
> When an athlete takes
> performance enhancing drugs it
> really comes down to personal
> integrity and a sense of moral
> worth or values. Even the
> person supplying the stuff may
> not really know whether it is
> used or not. I think this
> situation is the root of a lot
> of problems in our society
> today.
> Somewhere along the way it
> became less and less of a
> personal problem to lie about
> your motives or even your
> personal values and beliefs in
> order to gain something (a
> public office, an award,
> money). Unfortunately,
> politics has been the most
> well publicized and obvious
> sector of our society to
> flaunt this philosophy. So, if
> they do it and they are our
> "leaders" it must be ok, eh?
> Most people hate getting
> speeding tickets--you just
> feel badly about it regardless
> of the monetary cost. Why? The
> money is really irrelevant. We
> just feel badly we have been
> caught breaking the law--doing
> something society (or the
> lawmakers anyway) has decided
> is not appropriate behavior
> (and may put someone else at
> risk). But some people don't,
> they just got caught and try
> to figure out ways not to get
> caught and keep on with the
> same behavior.
> So I understand why there will
> always be people who want to
> win so badly they will break a
> regulation or law or rule.
> There are just lots of those
> kinds of people around. But in
> the case of athletes and
> drugs, I have a real hard time
> understanding how they justify
> the personal risk! There is
> nothing surefire or safe about
> the current drugs at all. We
> have young and older athletes
> dropping over on the field DOA
> frequently due to undiscovered
> health problems. Do you have
> one waiting for the right
> combination of circumstances
> to drop you? Who really knows?
>

A bit of a different subject here... Since when did ANY drug cure a disease or
health condition? Treating symptoms is pointless and can be very dangerous. I do
hope that you, Mike, have referred your counterparts to health care providers
who specialize in their conditions? Again, treating the pain may be a great
short term fix but what about the function of the body?

Excuse my bluntness Above but currently attending a seminar... Always get a bit
fired up when I do that!

Erik
----- Original Message -----
From: michael palmgren <michaelpalmgren@...>
To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:51:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [BhamTri] anecdote

Hi Sean!  Well, since it is so prevalent (my guess as well) I figure I
might as well throw my hat into the ring to represent the 60+ AG's.
Gee, well you know I have had a bad hangnail that just won't heal up.
I made an apt with my DR tomorrow and hopefully he can prescribe some
stuff that will speed up the process.  Maybe it will speed up my 10K
times, too!  If they want to cut down on the number of participants,
they ought to ban Ibuprofen and other NSAID's.  I personally know 2 or
3 Tri guys who can't live without that stuff.  They would be in a
world of hurt, literally.  The lake is still quite comfy with a
wetsuit.  Anybody up for another Monday swim at my place?
On Sep 17, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Sean Hackney wrote:

>
> I’ll throw in my 2 cents on the doping…it is happening way more than
> any of us can imagine even on our own U.S. turf.  Purely a random
> guess, but my guess is that the most prevelant in the Mens’ 30-50
> age group range.  As triathlon grows  it opens the doors to more of
> this kind of stuff too.  It is what it is I guess and is
> unfortunate.  As in any life endeavor, there will always be people
> who will try to cut corners to gain an unfair advantage.  We have as
> a society have placed so  much emphasis on the Win/Loss column of
> the sports page rather than the Win column between our ears.
>
>
>
> We’ve got a tremendous group of athletes here who have a great life
> perspective that I know I’m learning a ton from…so thanks to each of
> you for representing yourself without drugs and upholding the honor
> of the sport.
>
> Cheers to our triathlon journey!
>
> Sean
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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>
>
> From: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of ekderoche@...
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:48 AM
> To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [BhamTri] anecdote
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi foster! Great to hear all is well. I had every intention to take
> part in the weekends festivities for the 542 events but salmon
> fishing kind of took priority. Have to get those omega-3 fatty acid
> stores for the winter! Glad you had a good time.
>
> Re: BTC... Wish I could do way more. I will do a better job if given
> the chance to do so. Thanks fort the vote of confidence though. It
> is appreciated!
>
> Re: doping and sports... I have been vehemently against it forever
> and have done a bit of reading about it. Check out Fousts Gold for
> starters re: the east Germans. Very eye opening.
>
> Take care all!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Foster Rose <fosterrose@...>
> To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:16:26 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: RE: [BhamTri] anecdote
>
> Daryl, I'll second that! - Foster
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> daryl@...
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:55 AM
> To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [BhamTri] anecdote
>
> Foster, I think I said that I was probably naive thinking it is not an
> issue. I would like to think that the people we compete with as AGers
> wouldn't even consider cheating, but it probably happens to some
> extent.
> There have been issues with people swimming with fins at ironmans,
> drafting is always an issue, and people cut courses intentionally, why
> not a bit of epo to give you that extra edge? It is sad, but at the
> sane time, I like to think that I am doing tris for the right reason,
> and I refuse to allow the cheaters and dopers to ruin my fun.
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: [BhamTri] anecdote
> > From: "Foster Rose" <fosterrose@comcast. <mailto:fosterrose
> %40comcast.net>
> net>
> > Date: Tue, September 15, 2009 10:07 pm
> > To: <BhamTri@yahoogroups <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com> .com>
> >
> >
> > A veteran club member might
> > suspect that it's the middle
> > of winter with this much
> > chat. Is anybody still
> > training? Actually, this is
> > one of the things that I like
> > about our club, that is the
> > frank and free wheeling
> > discussions on a variety of
> > subjects, some more compelling
> > than others. Nevertheless,
> > lots of good ideas have been
> > shared and ultimately adding
> > to our collective body of
> > knowledge. Although I'm more
> > like Daryl and prefer to think
> > that doping is not much of an
> > issue, I'm particularly
> > pleased to see that Erik, our
> > Club President, is so
> > passionate about opposing
> > doping. Erik, your fulfilling
> > your role well!
> >
> > Another subject - I finally
> > participated in Festival 542
> > and want to commend the
> > organizer Charley, who did a
> > great job. The MT Baker Hill
> > Climb is certainly the
> > challenge that we would
> > imagine, but it's even better
> > without any autos. The trail
> > run from White Salmon Lodge to
> > the summit is really neat and
> > features beautiful views on
> > each of the 6 assents and 5
> > descents.
> >
> > Happy Training,
> > FOSTER
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BhamTri@yahoogroups <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups.
> > com] On Behalf Of
> > ekderoche@comcast. <mailto:ekderoche%40comcast.net> net
> > Sent: Friday, September 11,
> > 2009 11:55 AM
> > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Subject: Re: [BhamTri]
> > anecdote
> >
> > Nicely written Mike! It all
> > comes down to a complete lack
> > of consequences for ones
> > actions... I see this more and
> > more now working with
> > kids/young adults. They seem
> > to just think that winning is
> > everything and as one so
> > eloquently stated, "it's the
> > ONLY thing." at all costs
> > right? Who cares if I cheated
> > to get there... Who cares that
> > I had to artificially achieve
> > greatness as long as I achieve
> > it... WIN at all costs and
> > consequences be damned. Should
> > be interesting to see how this
> > new rul/regulation plays out.
> > I applaud it but I fear it
> > will not stop anyone.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: michael.palmgren
> > <michaelpalmgren@ <mailto:michaelpalmgren%40comcast.net>
> comcast.net>
> > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Sent: Fri, 11 Sep 2009
> > 16:34:07 +0000 (UTC)
> > Subject: [BhamTri] anecdote
> > About 10 years ago I used to
> > race a midget sprint car
> > around here and occasionally
> > down in California. I was at
> > my niece's house in Eugene the
> > night after a big race in
> > Roseburg, Or, and called home
> > to check in. Sherry asked me
> > how it went and I was happy to
> > say I won! She said, "Why
> > don't you just go to the
> > Salvation army and buy a
> > trophy and skip all the work?
> > Who will know the difference?"
> > Partly she was not behind my
> > racing efforts and partly she
> > was worried about the risk
> > involved (pretty minimal I
> > thought) but I was fairly
> > deflated to say the least.
> > Well, I am sitting here right
> > now looking at the trophy
> > standing up behind the
> > computer monitor as I write.
> > She was right in one respect:
> > who knows what I got it for or
> > where? Who cares? Me! I
> > know... I know what it took to
> > get it and whether or not I
> > deserve it.
> > When an athlete takes
> > performance enhancing drugs it
> > really comes down to personal
> > integrity and a sense of moral
> > worth or values. Even the
> > person supplying the stuff may
> > not really know whether it is
> > used or not. I think this
> > situation is the root of a lot
> > of problems in our society
> > today.
> > Somewhere along the way it
> > became less and less of a
> > personal problem to lie about
> > your motives or even your
> > personal values and beliefs in
> > order to gain something (a
> > public office, an award,
> > money). Unfortunately,
> > politics has been the most
> > well publicized and obvious
> > sector of our society to
> > flaunt this philosophy. So, if
> > they do it and they are our
> > "leaders" it must be ok, eh?
> > Most people hate getting
> > speeding tickets--you just
> > feel badly about it regardless
> > of the monetary cost. Why? The
> > money is really irrelevant. We
> > just feel badly we have been
> > caught breaking the law--doing
> > something society (or the
> > lawmakers anyway) has decided
> > is not appropriate behavior
> > (and may put someone else at
> > risk). But some people don't,
> > they just got caught and try
> > to figure out ways not to get
> > caught and keep on with the
> > same behavior.
> > So I understand why there will
> > always be people who want to
> > win so badly they will break a
> > regulation or law or rule.
> > There are just lots of those
> > kinds of people around. But in
> > the case of athletes and
> > drugs, I have a real hard time
> > understanding how they justify
> > the personal risk! There is
> > nothing surefire or safe about
> > the current drugs at all. We
> > have young and older athletes
> > dropping over on the field DOA
> > frequently due to undiscovered
> > health problems. Do you have
> > one waiting for the right
> > combination of circumstances
> > to drop you? Who really knows?
> >
>
>
>
>

Chemotherapy or antibiotics, 2 off the top of my head.  I admit that
there is a lot of overprescribing out there, but there are ALOT of drugs
that have been modern medicine miracles, oh also, HIV and AIDS drugs.
AiDS used to be a death sentence for everyone, now there are people that
are treated living long lives because of drugs.  Magic Johnson is one.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [BhamTri] anecdote
> From: ekderoche@...
> Date: Thu, September 17, 2009 11:57 am
> To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>    A bit of a different subject
>    here... Since when did ANY
>    drug cure a disease or health
>    condition? Treating symptoms
>    is pointless and can be very
>    dangerous. I do hope that you,
>    Mike, have referred your
>    counterparts to health care
>    providers who specialize in
>    their conditions? Again,
>    treating the pain may be a
>    great short term fix but what
>    about the function of the
>    body?
>    Excuse my bluntness Above but
>    currently attending a
>    seminar... Always get a bit
>    fired up when I do that!
>    Erik
>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: michael palmgren
>    <michaelpalmgren@...>
>    To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>    Sent: Thu, 17 Sep 2009
>    15:51:17 +0000 (UTC)
>    Subject: Re: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>    Hi Sean! Well, since it is so
>    prevalent (my guess as well) I
>    figure I
>    might as well throw my hat
>    into the ring to represent the
>    60+ AG's.
>    Gee, well you know I have had
>    a bad hangnail that just won't
>    heal up.
>    I made an apt with my DR
>    tomorrow and hopefully he can
>    prescribe some
>    stuff that will speed up the
>    process. Maybe it will speed
>    up my 10K
>    times, too! If they want to
>    cut down on the number of
>    participants,
>    they ought to ban Ibuprofen
>    and other NSAID's. I
>    personally know 2 or
>    3 Tri guys who can't live
>    without that stuff. They would
>    be in a
>    world of hurt, literally. The
>    lake is still quite comfy with
>    a
>    wetsuit. Anybody up for
>    another Monday swim at my
>    place?
>    On Sep 17, 2009, at 7:55 AM,
>    Sean Hackney wrote:
>    >
>    > Iâll throw in my 2 cents on
>    the dopingâ¦it is happening
>    way more than
>    > any of us can imagine even
>    on our own U.S. turf. Purely a
>    random
>    > guess, but my guess is that
>    the most prevelant in the
>    Mensâ 30-50
>    > age group range. As
>    triathlon grows it opens the
>    doors to more of
>    > this kind of stuff too. It
>    is what it is I guess and is
>    > unfortunate. As in any life
>    endeavor, there will always be
>    people
>    > who will try to cut corners
>    to gain an unfair advantage.
>    We have as
>    > a society have placed so
>    much emphasis on the Win/Loss
>    column of
>    > the sports page rather than
>    the Win column between our
>    ears.
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > Weâve got a tremendous group
>    of athletes here who have a
>    great life
>    > perspective that I know Iâm
>    learning a ton fromâ¦so thanks
>    to each of
>    > you for representing
>    yourself without drugs and
>    upholding the honor
>    > of the sport.
>    >
>    > Cheers to our triathlon
>    journey!
>    >
>    > Sean
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > <image001.png>
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > Sean Hackney
>    >
>    > RE/MAX Northwest
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > 360-303-0165
>    >
>    > seanhackney@...
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > Also visit
>    www.HackneyGroupRealEstate.com
>    for the best home search
>    > function available!
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > From: BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    .com
>    [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    .com] On
>    > Behalf Of ekderoche@comcast.
>    net
>    > Sent: Thursday, September
>    17, 2009 5:48 AM
>    > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>    > Subject: RE: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > Hi foster! Great to hear all
>    is well. I had every intention
>    to take
>    > part in the weekends
>    festivities for the 542 events
>    but salmon
>    > fishing kind of took
>    priority. Have to get those
>    omega-3 fatty acid
>    > stores for the winter! Glad
>    you had a good time.
>    >
>    > Re: BTC... Wish I could do
>    way more. I will do a better
>    job if given
>    > the chance to do so. Thanks
>    fort the vote of confidence
>    though. It
>    > is appreciated!
>    >
>    > Re: doping and sports... I
>    have been vehemently against
>    it forever
>    > and have done a bit of
>    reading about it. Check out
>    Fousts Gold for
>    > starters re: the east
>    Germans. Very eye opening.
>    >
>    > Take care all!
>    > ----- Original Message -----
>    > From: Foster Rose
>    <fosterrose@...>
>    > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>    > Sent: Thu, 17 Sep 2009
>    04:16:26 +0000 (UTC)
>    > Subject: RE: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>    >
>    > Daryl, I'll second that! -
>    Foster
>    >
>    > -----Original Message-----
>    > From: BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    .com
>    [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    .com] On
>    > Behalf Of
>    > daryl@advantagemult
>    isport.com
>    > Sent: Wednesday, September
>    16, 2009 7:55 AM
>    > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>    > Subject: RE: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>    >
>    > Foster, I think I said that
>    I was probably naive thinking
>    it is not an
>    > issue. I would like to think
>    that the people we compete
>    with as AGers
>    > wouldn't even consider
>    cheating, but it probably
>    happens to some
>    > extent.
>    > There have been issues with
>    people swimming with fins at
>    ironmans,
>    > drafting is always an issue,
>    and people cut courses
>    intentionally, why
>    > not a bit of epo to give you
>    that extra edge? It is sad,
>    but at the
>    > sane time, I like to think
>    that I am doing tris for the
>    right reason,
>    > and I refuse to allow the
>    cheaters and dopers to ruin my
>    fun.
>    > > -------- Original Message
>    --------
>    > > Subject: RE: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>    > > From: "Foster Rose"
>    <fosterrose@comcast.
>    <mailto:fosterrose
>    > %40comcast.net>
>    > net>
>    > > Date: Tue, September 15,
>    2009 10:07 pm
>    > > To: <BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.
>    com> .com>
>    > >
>    > >
>    > > A veteran club member
>    might
>    > > suspect that it's the
>    middle
>    > > of winter with this much
>    > > chat. Is anybody still
>    > > training? Actually, this
>    is
>    > > one of the things that I
>    like
>    > > about our club, that is
>    the
>    > > frank and free wheeling
>    > > discussions on a variety
>    of
>    > > subjects, some more
>    compelling
>    > > than others. Nevertheless,
>    > > lots of good ideas have
>    been
>    > > shared and ultimately
>    adding
>    > > to our collective body of
>    > > knowledge. Although I'm
>    more
>    > > like Daryl and prefer to
>    think
>    > > that doping is not much of
>    an
>    > > issue, I'm particularly
>    > > pleased to see that Erik,
>    our
>    > > Club President, is so
>    > > passionate about opposing
>    > > doping. Erik, your
>    fulfilling
>    > > your role well!
>    > >
>    > > Another subject - I
>    finally
>    > > participated in Festival
>    542
>    > > and want to commend the
>    > > organizer Charley, who did
>    a
>    > > great job. The MT Baker
>    Hill
>    > > Climb is certainly the
>    > > challenge that we would
>    > > imagine, but it's even
>    better
>    > > without any autos. The
>    trail
>    > > run from White Salmon
>    Lodge to
>    > > the summit is really neat
>    and
>    > > features beautiful views
>    on
>    > > each of the 6 assents and
>    5
>    > > descents.
>    > >
>    > > Happy Training,
>    > > FOSTER
>    > >
>    > > -----Original Message-----
>    > > From: BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.
>    com> .com
>    > > [mailto:BhamTri@
>    yahoogroups.
>    > > com] On Behalf Of
>    > > ekderoche@comcast.
>    <mailto:ekderoche%40comcast.
>    net> net
>    > > Sent: Friday, September
>    11,
>    > > 2009 11:55 AM
>    > > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.
>    com> .com
>    > > Subject: Re: [BhamTri]
>    > > anecdote
>    > >
>    > > Nicely written Mike! It
>    all
>    > > comes down to a complete
>    lack
>    > > of consequences for ones
>    > > actions... I see this more
>    and
>    > > more now working with
>    > > kids/young adults. They
>    seem
>    > > to just think that winning
>    is
>    > > everything and as one so
>    > > eloquently stated, "it's
>    the
>    > > ONLY thing." at all costs
>    > > right? Who cares if I
>    cheated
>    > > to get there... Who cares
>    that
>    > > I had to artificially
>    achieve
>    > > greatness as long as I
>    achieve
>    > > it... WIN at all costs and
>    > > consequences be damned.
>    Should
>    > > be interesting to see how
>    this
>    > > new rul/regulation plays
>    out.
>    > > I applaud it but I fear it
>    > > will not stop anyone.
>    > > ----- Original Message
>    -----
>    > > From: michael.palmgren
>    > > <michaelpalmgren@
>    <mailto:michaelpalm
>    gren%40comcast.net>
>    > comcast.net>
>    > > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.
>    com> .com
>    > > Sent: Fri, 11 Sep 2009
>    > > 16:34:07 +0000 (UTC)
>    > > Subject: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>    > > About 10 years ago I used
>    to
>    > > race a midget sprint car
>    > > around here and
>    occasionally
>    > > down in California. I was
>    at
>    > > my niece's house in Eugene
>    the
>    > > night after a big race in
>    > > Roseburg, Or, and called
>    home
>    > > to check in. Sherry asked
>    me
>    > > how it went and I was
>    happy to
>    > > say I won! She said, "Why
>    > > don't you just go to the
>    > > Salvation army and buy a
>    > > trophy and skip all the
>    work?
>    > > Who will know the
>    difference?"
>    > > Partly she was not behind
>    my
>    > > racing efforts and partly
>    she
>    > > was worried about the risk
>    > > involved (pretty minimal I
>    > > thought) but I was fairly
>    > > deflated to say the least.
>    > > Well, I am sitting here
>    right
>    > > now looking at the trophy
>    > > standing up behind the
>    > > computer monitor as I
>    write.
>    > > She was right in one
>    respect:
>    > > who knows what I got it
>    for or
>    > > where? Who cares? Me! I
>    > > know... I know what it
>    took to
>    > > get it and whether or not
>    I
>    > > deserve it.
>    > > When an athlete takes
>    > > performance enhancing
>    drugs it
>    > > really comes down to
>    personal
>    > > integrity and a sense of
>    moral
>    > > worth or values. Even the
>    > > person supplying the stuff
>    may
>    > > not really know whether it
>    is
>    > > used or not. I think this
>    > > situation is the root of a
>    lot
>    > > of problems in our society
>    > > today.
>    > > Somewhere along the way it
>    > > became less and less of a
>    > > personal problem to lie
>    about
>    > > your motives or even your
>    > > personal values and
>    beliefs in
>    > > order to gain something (a
>    > > public office, an award,
>    > > money). Unfortunately,
>    > > politics has been the most
>    > > well publicized and
>    obvious
>    > > sector of our society to
>    > > flaunt this philosophy.
>    So, if
>    > > they do it and they are
>    our
>    > > "leaders" it must be ok,
>    eh?
>    > > Most people hate getting
>    > > speeding tickets--you just
>    > > feel badly about it
>    regardless
>    > > of the monetary cost. Why?
>    The
>    > > money is really
>    irrelevant. We
>    > > just feel badly we have
>    been
>    > > caught breaking the
>    law--doing
>    > > something society (or the
>    > > lawmakers anyway) has
>    decided
>    > > is not appropriate
>    behavior
>    > > (and may put someone else
>    at
>    > > risk). But some people
>    don't,
>    > > they just got caught and
>    try
>    > > to figure out ways not to
>    get
>    > > caught and keep on with
>    the
>    > > same behavior.
>    > > So I understand why there
>    will
>    > > always be people who want
>    to
>    > > win so badly they will
>    break a
>    > > regulation or law or rule.
>    > > There are just lots of
>    those
>    > > kinds of people around.
>    But in
>    > > the case of athletes and
>    > > drugs, I have a real hard
>    time
>    > > understanding how they
>    justify
>    > > the personal risk! There
>    is
>    > > nothing surefire or safe
>    about
>    > > the current drugs at all.
>    We
>    > > have young and older
>    athletes
>    > > dropping over on the field
>    DOA
>    > > frequently due to
>    undiscovered
>    > > health problems. Do you
>    have
>    > > one waiting for the right
>    > > combination of
>    circumstances
>    > > to drop you? Who really
>    knows?
>    > >
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    >
>

Aha!!! You took the bait... The drug treats the symptoms my friend! Chemotherapy
inhibits new cell proliferation as does antibiotic treatment. The bodies immune
system and anabolic processes HEAL!

Speaking more specifically about NSAIDS, again treating symptoms... NOT treating
any cause of disease/ dysfunction. That is where we (manual therapists) come in
Daryl! (in speaking about musculoskeletal-skeletal complaints in particular).
Thought you knew that ;)

----- Original Message -----
From: daryl@...
To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:01:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: RE: [BhamTri] anecdote

Chemotherapy or antibiotics, 2 off the top of my head.  I admit that
there is a lot of overprescribing out there, but there are ALOT of drugs
that have been modern medicine miracles, oh also, HIV and AIDS drugs.
AiDS used to be a death sentence for everyone, now there are people that
are treated living long lives because of drugs.  Magic Johnson is one.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [BhamTri] anecdote
> From: ekderoche@...
> Date: Thu, September 17, 2009 11:57 am
> To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>    A bit of a different subject
>    here... Since when did ANY
>    drug cure a disease or health
>    condition? Treating symptoms
>    is pointless and can be very
>    dangerous. I do hope that you,
>    Mike, have referred your
>    counterparts to health care
>    providers who specialize in
>    their conditions? Again,
>    treating the pain may be a
>    great short term fix but what
>    about the function of the
>    body?
>    Excuse my bluntness Above but
>    currently attending a
>    seminar... Always get a bit
>    fired up when I do that!
>    Erik
>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: michael palmgren
>    <michaelpalmgren@...>
>    To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>    Sent: Thu, 17 Sep 2009
>    15:51:17 +0000 (UTC)
>    Subject: Re: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>    Hi Sean! Well, since it is so
>    prevalent (my guess as well) I
>    figure I
>    might as well throw my hat
>    into the ring to represent the
>    60+ AG's.
>    Gee, well you know I have had
>    a bad hangnail that just won't
>    heal up.
>    I made an apt with my DR
>    tomorrow and hopefully he can
>    prescribe some
>    stuff that will speed up the
>    process. Maybe it will speed
>    up my 10K
>    times, too! If they want to
>    cut down on the number of
>    participants,
>    they ought to ban Ibuprofen
>    and other NSAID's. I
>    personally know 2 or
>    3 Tri guys who can't live
>    without that stuff. They would
>    be in a
>    world of hurt, literally. The
>    lake is still quite comfy with
>    a
>    wetsuit. Anybody up for
>    another Monday swim at my
>    place?
>    On Sep 17, 2009, at 7:55 AM,
>    Sean Hackney wrote:
>    >
>    > I�ll throw in my 2 cents on
>    the doping��it is happening
>    way more than
>    > any of us can imagine even
>    on our own U.S. turf. Purely a
>    random
>    > guess, but my guess is that
>    the most prevelant in the
>    Mens� 30-50
>    > age group range. As
>    triathlon grows it opens the
>    doors to more of
>    > this kind of stuff too. It
>    is what it is I guess and is
>    > unfortunate. As in any life
>    endeavor, there will always be
>    people
>    > who will try to cut corners
>    to gain an unfair advantage.
>    We have as
>    > a society have placed so
>    much emphasis on the Win/Loss
>    column of
>    > the sports page rather than
>    the Win column between our
>    ears.
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > We�ve got a tremendous group
>    of athletes here who have a
>    great life
>    > perspective that I know I�m
>    learning a ton from��so thanks
>    to each of
>    > you for representing
>    yourself without drugs and
>    upholding the honor
>    > of the sport.
>    >
>    > Cheers to our triathlon
>    journey!
>    >
>    > Sean
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > <image001.png>
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > Sean Hackney
>    >
>    > RE/MAX Northwest
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > 360-303-0165
>    >
>    > seanhackney@...
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > Also visit
>    www.HackneyGroupRealEstate.com
>    for the best home search
>    > function available!
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > From: BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    .com
>    [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    .com] On
>    > Behalf Of ekderoche@comcast.
>    net
>    > Sent: Thursday, September
>    17, 2009 5:48 AM
>    > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>    > Subject: RE: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > Hi foster! Great to hear all
>    is well. I had every intention
>    to take
>    > part in the weekends
>    festivities for the 542 events
>    but salmon
>    > fishing kind of took
>    priority. Have to get those
>    omega-3 fatty acid
>    > stores for the winter! Glad
>    you had a good time.
>    >
>    > Re: BTC... Wish I could do
>    way more. I will do a better
>    job if given
>    > the chance to do so. Thanks
>    fort the vote of confidence
>    though. It
>    > is appreciated!
>    >
>    > Re: doping and sports... I
>    have been vehemently against
>    it forever
>    > and have done a bit of
>    reading about it. Check out
>    Fousts Gold for
>    > starters re: the east
>    Germans. Very eye opening.
>    >
>    > Take care all!
>    > ----- Original Message -----
>    > From: Foster Rose
>    <fosterrose@...>
>    > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>    > Sent: Thu, 17 Sep 2009
>    04:16:26 +0000 (UTC)
>    > Subject: RE: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>    >
>    > Daryl, I'll second that! -
>    Foster
>    >
>    > -----Original Message-----
>    > From: BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    .com
>    [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    .com] On
>    > Behalf Of
>    > daryl@advantagemult
>    isport.com
>    > Sent: Wednesday, September
>    16, 2009 7:55 AM
>    > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
>    > Subject: RE: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>    >
>    > Foster, I think I said that
>    I was probably naive thinking
>    it is not an
>    > issue. I would like to think
>    that the people we compete
>    with as AGers
>    > wouldn't even consider
>    cheating, but it probably
>    happens to some
>    > extent.
>    > There have been issues with
>    people swimming with fins at
>    ironmans,
>    > drafting is always an issue,
>    and people cut courses
>    intentionally, why
>    > not a bit of epo to give you
>    that extra edge? It is sad,
>    but at the
>    > sane time, I like to think
>    that I am doing tris for the
>    right reason,
>    > and I refuse to allow the
>    cheaters and dopers to ruin my
>    fun.
>    > > -------- Original Message
>    --------
>    > > Subject: RE: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>    > > From: "Foster Rose"
>    <fosterrose@comcast.
>    <mailto:fosterrose
>    > %40comcast.net>
>    > net>
>    > > Date: Tue, September 15,
>    2009 10:07 pm
>    > > To: <BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.
>    com> .com>
>    > >
>    > >
>    > > A veteran club member
>    might
>    > > suspect that it's the
>    middle
>    > > of winter with this much
>    > > chat. Is anybody still
>    > > training? Actually, this
>    is
>    > > one of the things that I
>    like
>    > > about our club, that is
>    the
>    > > frank and free wheeling
>    > > discussions on a variety
>    of
>    > > subjects, some more
>    compelling
>    > > than others. Nevertheless,
>    > > lots of good ideas have
>    been
>    > > shared and ultimately
>    adding
>    > > to our collective body of
>    > > knowledge. Although I'm
>    more
>    > > like Daryl and prefer to
>    think
>    > > that doping is not much of
>    an
>    > > issue, I'm particularly
>    > > pleased to see that Erik,
>    our
>    > > Club President, is so
>    > > passionate about opposing
>    > > doping. Erik, your
>    fulfilling
>    > > your role well!
>    > >
>    > > Another subject - I
>    finally
>    > > participated in Festival
>    542
>    > > and want to commend the
>    > > organizer Charley, who did
>    a
>    > > great job. The MT Baker
>    Hill
>    > > Climb is certainly the
>    > > challenge that we would
>    > > imagine, but it's even
>    better
>    > > without any autos. The
>    trail
>    > > run from White Salmon
>    Lodge to
>    > > the summit is really neat
>    and
>    > > features beautiful views
>    on
>    > > each of the 6 assents and
>    5
>    > > descents.
>    > >
>    > > Happy Training,
>    > > FOSTER
>    > >
>    > > -----Original Message-----
>    > > From: BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.
>    com> .com
>    > > [mailto:BhamTri@
>    yahoogroups.
>    > > com] On Behalf Of
>    > > ekderoche@comcast.
>    <mailto:ekderoche%40comcast.
>    net> net
>    > > Sent: Friday, September
>    11,
>    > > 2009 11:55 AM
>    > > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.
>    com> .com
>    > > Subject: Re: [BhamTri]
>    > > anecdote
>    > >
>    > > Nicely written Mike! It
>    all
>    > > comes down to a complete
>    lack
>    > > of consequences for ones
>    > > actions... I see this more
>    and
>    > > more now working with
>    > > kids/young adults. They
>    seem
>    > > to just think that winning
>    is
>    > > everything and as one so
>    > > eloquently stated, "it's
>    the
>    > > ONLY thing." at all costs
>    > > right? Who cares if I
>    cheated
>    > > to get there... Who cares
>    that
>    > > I had to artificially
>    achieve
>    > > greatness as long as I
>    achieve
>    > > it... WIN at all costs and
>    > > consequences be damned.
>    Should
>    > > be interesting to see how
>    this
>    > > new rul/regulation plays
>    out.
>    > > I applaud it but I fear it
>    > > will not stop anyone.
>    > > ----- Original Message
>    -----
>    > > From: michael.palmgren
>    > > <michaelpalmgren@
>    <mailto:michaelpalm
>    gren%40comcast.net>
>    > comcast.net>
>    > > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups
>    <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.
>    com> .com
>    > > Sent: Fri, 11 Sep 2009
>    > > 16:34:07 +0000 (UTC)
>    > > Subject: [BhamTri]
>    anecdote
>    > > About 10 years ago I used
>    to
>    > > race a midget sprint car
>    > > around here and
>    occasionally
>    > > down in California. I was
>    at
>    > > my niece's house in Eugene
>    the
>    > > night after a big race in
>    > > Roseburg, Or, and called
>    home
>    > > to check in. Sherry asked
>    me
>    > > how it went and I was
>    happy to
>    > > say I won! She said, "Why
>    > > don't you just go to the
>    > > Salvation army and buy a
>    > > trophy and skip all the
>    work?
>    > > Who will know the
>    difference?"
>    > > Partly she was not behind
>    my
>    > > racing efforts and partly
>    she
>    > > was worried about the risk
>    > > involved (pretty minimal I
>    > > thought) but I was fairly
>    > > deflated to say the least.
>    > > Well, I am sitting here
>    right
>    > > now looking at the trophy
>    > > standing up behind the
>    > > computer monitor as I
>    write.
>    > > She was right in one
>    respect:
>    > > who knows what I got it
>    for or
>    > > where? Who cares? Me! I
>    > > know... I know what it
>    took to
>    > > get it and whether or not
>    I
>    > > deserve it.
>    > > When an athlete takes
>    > > performance enhancing
>    drugs it
>    > > really comes down to
>    personal
>    > > integrity and a sense of
>    moral
>    > > worth or values. Even the
>    > > person supplying the stuff
>    may
>    > > not really know whether it
>    is
>    > > used or not. I think this
>    > > situation is the root of a
>    lot
>    > > of problems in our society
>    > > today.
>    > > Somewhere along the way it
>    > > became less and less of a
>    > > personal problem to lie
>    about
>    > > your motives or even your
>    > > personal values and
>    beliefs in
>    > > order to gain something (a
>    > > public office, an award,
>    > > money). Unfortunately,
>    > > politics has been the most
>    > > well publicized and
>    obvious
>    > > sector of our society to
>    > > flaunt this philosophy.
>    So, if
>    > > they do it and they are
>    our
>    > > "leaders" it must be ok,
>    eh?
>    > > Most people hate getting
>    > > speeding tickets--you just
>    > > feel badly about it
>    regardless
>    > > of the monetary cost. Why?
>    The
>    > > money is really
>    irrelevant. We
>    > > just feel badly we have
>    been
>    > > caught breaking the
>    law--doing
>    > > something society (or the
>    > > lawmakers anyway) has
>    decided
>    > > is not appropriate
>    behavior
>    > > (and may put someone else
>    at
>    > > risk). But some people
>    don't,
>    > > they just got caught and
>    try
>    > > to figure out ways not to
>    get
>    > > caught and keep on with
>    the
>    > > same behavior.
>    > > So I understand why there
>    will
>    > > always be people who want
>    to
>    > > win so badly they will
>    break a
>    > > regulation or law or rule.
>    > > There are just lots of
>    those
>    > > kinds of people around.
>    But in
>    > > the case of athletes and
>    > > drugs, I have a real hard
>    time
>    > > understanding how they
>    justify
>    > > the personal risk! There
>    is
>    > > nothing surefire or safe
>    about
>    > > the current drugs at all.
>    We
>    > > have young and older
>    athletes
>    > > dropping over on the field
>    DOA
>    > > frequently due to
>    undiscovered
>    > > health problems. Do you
>    have
>    > > one waiting for the right
>    > > combination of
>    circumstances
>    > > to drop you? Who really
>    knows?
>    > >
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    >
>



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style="font-family:Verdana;color:#000000;font-size:10pt;"><div>I am in full
agreement with you on the manual therapy.  We are attempting to optimize
the body's ability to heal itself.  We both understand that fully, as
we run into patients that we cannot help at all due to habits such as smoking,
obesity-diabetes issues, etc.  If there is no blood flow to tissue, then
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<div>Just wanted to express my appreciation for the drugs that have saved many a
life out there.  Without them, there would be no healing process occuring,
because we would not be able to overcome effects of the disease.  Of course
there are exceptions, we hear about people going naturopathic routes
occasionally and fighting off cancer and severe infection, but for most
cases, the drugs are the answer to life preservation.  Also, cannot
discount the effect that living a healthy lifestyle has in the first place, many
cases are preventable with the bolstered immune systems that we can create
through diet and exercise.</div>
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<div>Daryl Smith, PT</div>
<div>USAT L1 Certified Coach</div>
<div>827 Spieden Lane</div>
<div>Bellingham, WA 98229</div>
<div>425.283.7433</div>
<div><A href="mailto:daryl@..."
target="_blank">daryl@...</A></div>
<div><A href="http://www.advantagemultisport.com/"
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<div>-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: RE: [BhamTri]
anecdote<BR>From: ekderoche@...<BR>Date: Thu, September 17, 2009 3:24
pm<BR>To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com<BR><BR><FONT> </FONT>
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<div>Aha!!! You took the bait... The drug treats the symptoms my friend!
Chemotherapy inhibits new cell proliferation as does antibiotic treatment. The
bodies immune system and anabolic processes HEAL!<BR><BR>Speaking more
specifically about NSAIDS, again treating symptoms... NOT treating any cause of
disease/ dysfunction. That is where we (manual therapists) come in Daryl! (in
speaking about musculoskeletal-skeletal complaints in particular). Thought you
knew that ;)<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:daryl%40advantagemultisport.com"
target="_blank">daryl@...</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com"
target="_blank">BhamTri@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>Sent: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:01:58
+0000 (UTC)<BR>Subject: RE: [BhamTri] anecdote<BR><BR>Chemotherapy or
antibiotics, 2 off the top of my head. I admit that<BR>there is a lot of
overprescribing out there, but there are ALOT of drugs<BR>that have been modern
medicine miracles, oh also, HIV and AIDS drugs. <BR>AiDS used to be a death
sentence for everyone, now there are people that<BR>are treated living long
lives because of drugs. Magic Johnson is one.<BR>> -------- Original Message
--------<BR>> Subject: Re: [BhamTri] anecdote<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:ekderoche%40comcast.net"
target="_blank">ekderoche@...</A><BR>> Date: Thu, September 17, 2009
11:57 am<BR>> To: <A href="mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com"
target="_blank">BhamTri@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> A bit of a
different subject<BR>> here... Since when did ANY<BR>> drug cure a disease
or health<BR>> condition? Treating symptoms<BR>> is pointless and can be
very<BR>> dangerous. I do hope that you,<BR>> Mike, have referred
your<BR>> counterparts to health care<BR>> providers who specialize
in<BR>> their conditions? Again,<BR>> treating the pain may be a<BR>>
great short term fix but what<BR>> about the function of the<BR>>
body?<BR>> Excuse my bluntness Above but<BR>> currently attending
a<BR>> seminar... Always get a bit<BR>> fired up when I do that!<BR>>
Erik<BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: michael palmgren<BR>>
<<A href="mailto:michaelpalmgren%40comcast.net"
target="_blank">michaelpalmgren@...</A>><BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com"
target="_blank">BhamTri@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>> Sent: Thu, 17 Sep
2009<BR>> 15:51:17 +0000 (UTC)<BR>> Subject: Re: [BhamTri]<BR>>
anecdote<BR>> Hi Sean! Well, since it is so<BR>> prevalent (my guess as
well) I<BR>> figure I<BR>> might as well throw my hat<BR>> into the
ring to represent the<BR>> 60+ AG's.<BR>> Gee, well you know I have
had<BR>> a bad hangnail that just won't<BR>> heal up.<BR>> I made
an apt with my DR<BR>> tomorrow and hopefully he can<BR>> prescribe
some<BR>> stuff that will speed up the<BR>> process. Maybe it will
speed<BR>> up my 10K<BR>> times, too! If they want to<BR>> cut down on
the number of<BR>> participants,<BR>> they ought to ban Ibuprofen<BR>>
and other NSAID's. I<BR>> personally know 2 or<BR>> 3 Tri guys who
can't live<BR>> without that stuff. They would<BR>> be in a<BR>>
world of hurt, literally. The<BR>> lake is still quite comfy with<BR>>
a<BR>> wetsuit. Anybody up for<BR>> another Monday swim at my<BR>>
place?<BR>> On Sep 17, 2009, at 7:55 AM,<BR>> Sean Hackney wrote:<BR>>
><BR>> > I�ll throw in my 2 cents on<BR>> the doping��it is
happening<BR>> way more than<BR>> > any of us can imagine even<BR>>
on our own U.S. turf. Purely a<BR>> random<BR>> > guess, but my guess
is that<BR>> the most prevelant in the<BR>> Mens� 30-50<BR>> > age
group range. As<BR>> triathlon grows it opens the<BR>> doors to more
of<BR>> > this kind of stuff too. It<BR>> is what it is I guess and
is<BR>> > unfortunate. As in any life<BR>> endeavor, there will always
be<BR>> people<BR>> > who will try to cut corners<BR>> to gain an
unfair advantage.<BR>> We have as<BR>> > a society have placed
so<BR>> much emphasis on the Win/Loss<BR>> column of<BR>> > the
sports page rather than<BR>> the Win column between our<BR>> ears.<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > We�ve got a tremendous
group<BR>> of athletes here who have a<BR>> great life<BR>> >
perspective that I know I�m<BR>> learning a ton from��so thanks<BR>>
to each of<BR>> > you for representing<BR>> yourself without drugs
and<BR>> upholding the honor<BR>> > of the sport.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Cheers to our triathlon<BR>> journey!<BR>> ><BR>> >
Sean<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >
<image001.png><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Sean
Hackney<BR>> ><BR>> > RE/MAX Northwest<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> > 360-303-0165<BR>> ><BR>> > <A
href="mailto:seanhackney%40remax.net"
target="_blank">seanhackney@...</A><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> > Also visit<BR>> www.HackneyGroupRealEstate.com<BR>> for
the best home search<BR>> > function available!<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> > From: BhamTri@yahoogroups<BR>> .com<BR>>
[mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups<BR>> .com] On<BR>> > Behalf Of
ekderoche@comcast.<BR>> net<BR>> > Sent: Thursday, September<BR>>
17, 2009 5:48 AM<BR>> > To: <A href="mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com"
target="_blank">BhamTri@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>> > Subject: RE:
[BhamTri]<BR>> anecdote<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> > Hi foster! Great to hear all<BR>> is well. I
had every intention<BR>> to take<BR>> > part in the weekends<BR>>
festivities for the 542 events<BR>> but salmon<BR>> > fishing kind of
took<BR>> priority. Have to get those<BR>> omega-3 fatty acid<BR>> >
stores for the winter! Glad<BR>> you had a good time.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Re: BTC... Wish I could do<BR>> way more. I will do a better<BR>> job
if given<BR>> > the chance to do so. Thanks<BR>> fort the vote of
confidence<BR>> though. It<BR>> > is appreciated!<BR>> ><BR>>
> Re: doping and sports... I<BR>> have been vehemently against<BR>> it
forever<BR>> > and have done a bit of<BR>> reading about it. Check
out<BR>> Fousts Gold for<BR>> > starters re: the east<BR>> Germans.
Very eye opening.<BR>> ><BR>> > Take care all!<BR>> > -----
Original Message -----<BR>> > From: Foster Rose<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:fosterrose%40comcast.net"
target="_blank">fosterrose@...</A>><BR>> > To: <A
href="mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com"
target="_blank">BhamTri@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>> > Sent: Thu, 17 Sep
2009<BR>> 04:16:26 +0000 (UTC)<BR>> > Subject: RE: [BhamTri]<BR>>
anecdote<BR>> ><BR>> > Daryl, I'll second that! -<BR>>
Foster<BR>> ><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From:
BhamTri@yahoogroups<BR>> .com<BR>> [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups<BR>>
.com] On<BR>> > Behalf Of<BR>> > daryl@advantagemult<BR>>
isport.com<BR>> > Sent: Wednesday, September<BR>> 16, 2009 7:55
AM<BR>> > To: <A href="mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.com"
target="_blank">BhamTri@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>> > Subject: RE:
[BhamTri]<BR>> anecdote<BR>> ><BR>> > Foster, I think I said
that<BR>> I was probably naive thinking<BR>> it is not an<BR>> >
issue. I would like to think<BR>> that the people we compete<BR>> with as
AGers<BR>> > wouldn't even consider<BR>> cheating, but it
probably<BR>> happens to some<BR>> > extent.<BR>> > There have
been issues with<BR>> people swimming with fins at<BR>> ironmans,<BR>>
> drafting is always an issue,<BR>> and people cut courses<BR>>
intentionally, why<BR>> > not a bit of epo to give you<BR>> that extra
edge? It is sad,<BR>> but at the<BR>> > sane time, I like to
think<BR>> that I am doing tris for the<BR>> right reason,<BR>> >
and I refuse to allow the<BR>> cheaters and dopers to ruin my<BR>>
fun.<BR>> > > -------- Original Message<BR>> --------<BR>> >
> Subject: RE: [BhamTri]<BR>> anecdote<BR>> > > From:
"Foster Rose"<BR>> <fosterrose@comcast.<BR>>
<mailto:fosterrose<BR>> > %40comcast.net><BR>> >
net><BR>> > > Date: Tue, September 15,<BR>> 2009 10:07 pm<BR>>
> > To: <BhamTri@yahoogroups<BR>>
<mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.<BR>> com> .com><BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > > A veteran club member<BR>>
might<BR>> > > suspect that it's the<BR>> middle<BR>> >
> of winter with this much<BR>> > > chat. Is anybody still<BR>>
> > training? Actually, this<BR>> is<BR>> > > one of the
things that I<BR>> like<BR>> > > about our club, that is<BR>>
the<BR>> > > frank and free wheeling<BR>> > > discussions on a
variety<BR>> of<BR>> > > subjects, some more<BR>>
compelling<BR>> > > than others. Nevertheless,<BR>> > > lots
of good ideas have<BR>> been<BR>> > > shared and ultimately<BR>>
adding<BR>> > > to our collective body of<BR>> > > knowledge.
Although I'm<BR>> more<BR>> > > like Daryl and prefer to<BR>>
think<BR>> > > that doping is not much of<BR>> an<BR>> > >
issue, I'm particularly<BR>> > > pleased to see that Erik,<BR>>
our<BR>> > > Club President, is so<BR>> > > passionate about
opposing<BR>> > > doping. Erik, your<BR>> fulfilling<BR>> >
> your role well!<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Another subject -
I<BR>> finally<BR>> > > participated in Festival<BR>> 542<BR>>
> > and want to commend the<BR>> > > organizer Charley, who
did<BR>> a<BR>> > > great job. The MT Baker<BR>> Hill<BR>>
> > Climb is certainly the<BR>> > > challenge that we
would<BR>> > > imagine, but it's even<BR>> better<BR>> >
> without any autos. The<BR>> trail<BR>> > > run from White
Salmon<BR>> Lodge to<BR>> > > the summit is really neat<BR>>
and<BR>> > > features beautiful views<BR>> on<BR>> > > each
of the 6 assents and<BR>> 5<BR>> > > descents.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Happy Training,<BR>> > > FOSTER<BR>> >
><BR>> > > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > > From:
BhamTri@yahoogroups<BR>> <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.<BR>> com>
.com<BR>> > > [mailto:BhamTri@<BR>> yahoogroups.<BR>> > >
com] On Behalf Of<BR>> > > ekderoche@comcast.<BR>>
<mailto:ekderoche%40comcast.<BR>> net> net<BR>> > > Sent:
Friday, September<BR>> 11,<BR>> > > 2009 11:55 AM<BR>> > >
To: BhamTri@yahoogroups<BR>> <mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.<BR>>
com> .com<BR>> > > Subject: Re: [BhamTri]<BR>> > >
anecdote<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Nicely written Mike! It<BR>>
all<BR>> > > comes down to a complete<BR>> lack<BR>> > > of
consequences for ones<BR>> > > actions... I see this more<BR>>
and<BR>> > > more now working with<BR>> > > kids/young adults.
They<BR>> seem<BR>> > > to just think that winning<BR>>
is<BR>> > > everything and as one so<BR>> > > eloquently
stated, "it's<BR>> the<BR>> > > ONLY thing." at all
costs<BR>> > > right? Who cares if I<BR>> cheated<BR>> > >
to get there... Who cares<BR>> that<BR>> > > I had to
artificially<BR>> achieve<BR>> > > greatness as long as I<BR>>
achieve<BR>> > > it... WIN at all costs and<BR>> > >
consequences be damned.<BR>> Should<BR>> > > be interesting to see
how<BR>> this<BR>> > > new rul/regulation plays<BR>> out.<BR>>
> > I applaud it but I fear it<BR>> > > will not stop
anyone.<BR>> > > ----- Original Message<BR>> -----<BR>> > >
From: michael.palmgren<BR>> > > <michaelpalmgren@<BR>>
<mailto:michaelpalm<BR>> gren%40comcast.net><BR>> >
comcast.net><BR>> > > To: BhamTri@yahoogroups<BR>>
<mailto:BhamTri%40yahoogroups.<BR>> com> .com<BR>> > > Sent:
Fri, 11 Sep 2009<BR>> > > 16:34:07 +0000 (UTC)<BR>> > >
Subject: [BhamTri]<BR>> anecdote<BR>> > > About 10 years ago I
used<BR>> to<BR>> > > race a midget sprint car<BR>> > >
around here and<BR>> occasionally<BR>> > > down in California. I
was<BR>> at<BR>> > > my niece's house in Eugene<BR>>
the<BR>> > > night after a big race in<BR>> > > Roseburg, Or,
and called<BR>> home<BR>> > > to check in. Sherry asked<BR>>
me<BR>> > > how it went and I was<BR>> happy to<BR>> > >
say I won! She said, "Why<BR>> > > don't you just go to
the<BR>> > > Salvation army and buy a<BR>> > > trophy and skip
all the<BR>> work?<BR>> > > Who will know the<BR>>
difference?"<BR>> > > Partly she was not behind<BR>> my<BR>>
> > racing efforts and partly<BR>> she<BR>> > > was worried
about the risk<BR>> > > involved (pretty minimal I<BR>> > >
thought) but I was fairly<BR>> > > deflated to say the least.<BR>>
> > Well, I am sitting here<BR>> right<BR>> > > now looking at
the trophy<BR>> > > standing up behind the<BR>> > > computer
monitor as I<BR>> write.<BR>> > > She was right in one<BR>>
respect:<BR>> > > who knows what I got it<BR>> for or<BR>> >
> where? Who cares? Me! I<BR>> > > know... I know what it<BR>>
took to<BR>> > > get it and whether or not<BR>> I<BR>> > >
deserve it.<BR>> > > When an athlete takes<BR>> > >
performance enhancing<BR>> drugs it<BR>> > > really comes down
to<BR>> personal<BR>> > > integrity and a sense of<BR>>
moral<BR>> > > worth or values. Even the<BR>> > > person
supplying the stuff<BR>> may<BR>> > > not really know whether
it<BR>> is<BR>> > > used or not. I think this<BR>> > >
situation is the root of a<BR>> lot<BR>> > > of problems in our
society<BR>> > > today.<BR>> > > Somewhere along the way
it<BR>> > > became less and less of a<BR>> > > personal
problem to lie<BR>> about<BR>> > > your motives or even your<BR>>
> > personal values and<BR>> beliefs in<BR>> > > order to gain
something (a<BR>> > > public office, an award,<BR>> > >
money). Unfortunately,<BR>> > > politics has been the most<BR>> >
> well publicized and<BR>> obvious<BR>> > > sector of our society
to<BR>> > > flaunt this philosophy.<BR>> So, if<BR>> > >
they do it and they are<BR>> our<BR>> > > "leaders" it
must be ok,<BR>> eh?<BR>> > > Most people hate getting<BR>> >
> speeding tickets--you just<BR>> > > feel badly about it<BR>>
regardless<BR>> > > of the monetary cost. Why?<BR>> The<BR>> >
> money is really<BR>> irrelevant. We<BR>> > > just feel badly we
have<BR>> been<BR>> > > caught breaking the<BR>>
law--doing<BR>> > > something society (or the<BR>> > >
lawmakers anyway) has<BR>> decided<BR>> > > is not
appropriate<BR>> behavior<BR>> > > (and may put someone else<BR>>
at<BR>> > > risk). But some people<BR>> don't,<BR>> > >
they just got caught and<BR>> try<BR>> > > to figure out ways not
to<BR>> get<BR>> > > caught and keep on with<BR>> the<BR>>
> > same behavior.<BR>> > > So I understand why there<BR>>
will<BR>> > > always be people who want<BR>> to<BR>> > >
win so badly they will<BR>> break a<BR>> > > regulation or law or
rule.<BR>> > > There are just lots of<BR>> those<BR>> > >
kinds of people around.<BR>> But in<BR>> > > the case of athletes
and<BR>> > > drugs, I have a real hard<BR>> time<BR>> > >
understanding how they<BR>> justify<BR>> > > the personal risk!
There<BR>> is<BR>> > > nothing surefire or safe<BR>>
about<BR>> > > the current drugs at all.<BR>> We<BR>> > >
have young and older<BR>> athletes<BR>> > > dropping over on the
field<BR>> DOA<BR>> > > frequently due to<BR>>
undiscovered<BR>> > > health problems. Do you<BR>> have<BR>> >
> one waiting for the right<BR>> > > combination of<BR>>
circumstances<BR>> > > to drop you? Who really<BR>> knows?<BR>>
> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
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Upper 70's forecast next week! Who wants to go swimming at Lake Padden next week
after 5:30pm one or two days M-F? Buddy system is safer! Let's get a group
together.... (getting tired of this weeks topics! Let's play!)

Hola,

Any of you cats know what event the attached trail marking might have come from
over the past couple weeks?

This particular marking is on the Railroad Trail in Whatcom Falls Park, I
believe, at Rhododendron.  (For the record I spelled Rhododendron correctly the
second time.)

OK I can't figure out how to attach a picture here (English major).  There are
white arrows through Whatcom Falls and what looks like a finish line @
Rhododendron.

Just a note to all - please do not spray paint on rocks, bollards, roads, trees,
trails, paths, sidewalks or buildings.

Thanks, hope ya'll have a great Traverse.
-Romo-

High school X-C meet?  Isn't that Squalicum's home course?

-----Original Message-----
From: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of romoigula
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:32 AM
To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BhamTri] Trail Markings

Hola,

Any of you cats know what event the attached trail marking might have
come from over the past couple weeks?

This particular marking is on the Railroad Trail in Whatcom Falls Park,
I believe, at Rhododendron.  (For the record I spelled Rhododendron
correctly the second time.)

OK I can't figure out how to attach a picture here (English major).
There are white arrows through Whatcom Falls and what looks like a
finish line @ Rhododendron.

Just a note to all - please do not spray paint on rocks, bollards,
roads, trees, trails, paths, sidewalks or buildings.

Thanks, hope ya'll have a great Traverse.
-Romo-



------------------------------------

Checkout the BTC website for upcoming events and meetings at
http://www.bellinghamtri.orgYahoo! Groups Links

My understanding was that the cross country team used the blue spray paint.
We've already spoken to them.  They figured it was OK because the other
markings were already there - a rather convenient logic, but there you have
it.


Lance Romo
Bellingham Parks and Recreation
1114 Potter St.
Bellingham, WA 98229
(360) 778-7665

Mission Statement:
To support a healthy community by providing high quality parks and
recreation services.




   From:       "Brad Templeton" <brad.templeton@...>

   To:         <BhamTri@yahoogroups.com>

   Date:       09/18/2009 11:51 AM

   Subject:    RE: [BhamTri] Trail Markings












  High school X-C meet? Isn't that Squalicum's home course?

  -----Original Message-----
  From: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BhamTri@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
  Of romoigula
  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:32 AM
  To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BhamTri] Trail Markings

  Hola,

  Any of you cats know what event the attached trail marking might have
  come from over the past couple weeks?

  This particular marking is on the Railroad Trail in Whatcom Falls Park,
  I believe, at Rhododendron. (For the record I spelled Rhododendron
  correctly the second time.)

  OK I can't figure out how to attach a picture here (English major).
  There are white arrows through Whatcom Falls and what looks like a
  finish line @ Rhododendron.

  Just a note to all - please do not spray paint on rocks, bollards,
  roads, trees, trails, paths, sidewalks or buildings.

  Thanks, hope ya'll have a great Traverse.
  -Romo-

  ------------------------------------

  Checkout the BTC website for upcoming events and meetings at
  http://www.bellinghamtri.orgYahoo! Groups Links

Yeah! Swimming 7:15pm TUESDAY at Lake Padden beach. See ya'll.

--- In BhamTri@yahoogroups.com, KRISTINE PENROD <Kristine8899@...> wrote:
>
>
> I second that emotion!!  I'd love to go Monday or Tuesday but it'd have to be
just after 7 pm; it's still light outside, don't worry.  Funny you should bring
that up because I was just thinking "hey, it's nice out and has been for awhile,
I could swim in the lake instead of the pool!"  OH, Friday 5:30 or after works
great for me!
>
>
>
>
> Glad to see someone thinking along the same lines,
>
> Kristine
>
>
> To: BhamTri@yahoogroups.com
> From: swillhoft@...
> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:05:07 +0000
> Subject: [BhamTri] Who wants to go swimming at Lake Padden next week after
5:30pm?
>
>
>
>
>
> Upper 70's forecast next week! Who wants to go swimming at Lake Padden next
week after 5:30pm one or two days M-F? Buddy system is safer! Let's get a group
together.... (getting tired of this weeks topics! Let's play!)
>