members, this course was more atlethic than his home guard course for obvious
reasons--ralph g

--- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ggrasso06@... wrote:
>
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RejcLX_IJhw_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RejcLX_IJhw)
>
> clip from an excellent instructional tape from  1940
>

Imagine!  All you need is: -   LVE 

(John Lennon - Human Being)

Imagine!  All you need is: -   LVE 

(John Lennon - Human Being)

members, i have hipkiss' tape UNARMED FIGHTING----i will put a very interesting
clip on tonite----for craig, tony, josh, james[m and f] and the rest of the
boys!---ralph g

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von bartitsuclubitalia
Gesendet: Freitag, 13. November 2009 16:22
An: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [Bartitsu_Forum] Re: Bartitsu Club Europe

 

Dear Alex,

there is no idea for a franchise, or any official association, for that matter.
The idea is as simple as I wrote it; non - official collaboration between people.
I would use the word understanding.

it can for example be as simple as putting a link or publicity in different languages (websites and forums related to the group members) regarding your or any other group member, future Bartitsu Classes, or collaboration regarding different events.

So we are talking about autonomy of people in which the thing that unite us is being european and the information we share, that can be useful for others who live "near by" and might want to join.

Lets write to one another via email and see what can be done together.

Ran

--- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Kiermayer" <KiermayerAB@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Ran,
>
> I don`t want to offend you, but I´m a little bit skeptical of this Idea. I
> have bad experiences with organisations that offer a kind of martial arts
> franchise system. I might completely misunderstand you but I think we should
> work slowly with an official colaboration.
>
> I´m sure that Carsten Hoffmann is a good guy. I´m also a member of the ADFD
> and know of his work. I hope that I´ll meet him in one of the Academy
> meetings and talk to him regarding these things.
>
> I know a few guys around Germany who are interested in Bartitsu.
>
> Could you please describe more how you imagine this colaboration?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von bartitsuclubitalia
> Gesendet: Freitag, 13. November 2009 13:10
> An: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Bartitsu_Forum] Re: Bartitsu Club Europe
>
>
>
> Good to hear from you too, Stefan!
>
> please feel free to contact me via my email address, so we can see what
> can be done together with both you and Alex; as you understand the idea of
> Bartitsu Club Germany is new and therefore we create it together, now! (also
> via the forum). The other person interested in Bartitsu is Karsten Hoffmann,
> who is directorial member of the AAI, ADFD and OSC Berlin.
> Even that he is new to Bartitsu, he is skilled in Fencing and Artistic
> Fencing and is behind the production of Artistic Duelling/ Fencing
> Championships, (including the world championships and the competition in
> Berlin).
> Regardless to the idea of having Berlin as a Center, it is mainly for
> communication and coordination, (between the different people that join or
> will join; like you and Alex), rather than physically doing all the
> activities there. Karsten is very skilled with this line of work.
> As I wrote before, it is a non political agreement of collaboration
> between people who share the same passion to Bartitsu.
> Therefore, to collaborate and promote one another's (Bartitsu Related)
> work in Germany and Europe. (promote your work and exchange information and
> arrange master classes in places), in such a way that we find more way to
> meet and interact
> It is more a way to share our efforts than anything else.
>
> Ran
>
> --- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Dieke <forumabo@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Ran,
> >
> > well, now that you told us where the center for the Bartitsu Club
> Germany shall be, could you please tell us also who is in
> > Berlin? So far the only person who came to my mind who would be
> seriously interested in Bartitsu in Germany besides me is Alex.
> > So who's out there in Berlin?
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> > bartitsuclubitalia schrieb:
> > > Good to hear from you Alex! I see that the idea of Bartitsu Club
> Germany has made already a good thing! (its purpose); if you manage to meet
> and collaborate and include also other Bartitsukas from around Germany.
> > > The center (regarding coordination is in Berlin) and I would like to
> hear from you on my email address; ranarthurbraun@
> > > This is a non political idea! just collaboration of people with the
> same wish to practice and promote Bartitsu, Therefore, if there are any
> other Germany based members of the forum, please feel free to contact me,
> (even in German)
> > >
> > >
> > > Ran
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Kiermayer" <KiermayerAB@>
> wrote:
> > >> Hello Ran,
> > >>
> > >> sounds good! Would you mind telling me who will be the representative
> for
> > >> the Bartitsu Club Germany? As far I know there are not too many
> people
> > >> practicing it here.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Servus,
> > >>
> > >> Alex
> > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > >> Von: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > >> [mailto:Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von
> bartitsuclubitalia
> > >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. November 2009 20:14
> > >> An: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > >> Betreff: [Bartitsu_Forum] Bartitsu Club Europe
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> After the birth of Bartitsu Club Italia, we are happy with the birth
> of
> > >> its younger brother, Bartitsu Club Russia. (As you can see on the
> > >> bartitsu.org website), With in the next couple of weeks, Bartitsu
> Club
> > >> France will join and we aim to have also Bartitsu Club Germany.
> > >> Therefore, to have Italy, Russia, France and Germany collaborate and
> > >> exchange Instructors and research information, while promoting
> Bartitsu in
> > >> Europe, in collaboration with the "mother"; Bartitsu International.
> > >> We aim for an exchange of information but also to have a chance to
> have
> > >> the "same" formation regarding Bartitsu, therefore, being united also
> with
> > >> the choice of guest instructors, who can later tour between the
> centers and
> > >> make sure that the Canonical Bartitsu and Neo Bartitsu have the same
> > >> controlled "base" (Formation).
> > >> Sure! we hope to also invite specialists in Savate, Jiujitsu, Cane du
> > >> Combat and traditional Boxing, to improve the "added" skills and
> techniques.
> > >>
> > >> Looking forward!
> > >>
> > >> Ran
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

sorry, wrote the preface for costello and fitzsimmons--rg

--- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "none" <ggrasso06@...> wrote:
>
> an interesting gent in american martial arts history---he studied tenshin
shinyo jiu jitsu from o'brien, jiu jitsu in hawaii[possibly danzan ryu] ,
defendu from marine instructors taxis and yeaton and later from w.e. fairbairn
himself--british military sword and bayonet from sgt. j.h. dawkins[kings royal
horse guard] , bayonet combat at military training school of gondrecourt ,
france---rapier and dagger in colonies of poturgal, spain, france. at the cercle
hoche in paris he leaned savate, broadsword from champion m.thomas--epee/foil
from champ jean -marie surget--bayonet, knife and saber from american champ
major william j. hermann--took saber lessons from master costello in new
york.--he continued his boxing instruction under col. miller[marine corps
instructor]and one gene tunney's instructors--biddle sparred with philadelphia
jack o'brien, corbett, fitzsimmons and many great heavy and light heavy
champs--he also[if i remember correctly] wrote the premise for costello's book
on fencing and fitzsimmons manual on boxing and defense--biddle engaged in
hundreds of amuatuer boxing matches and won titles, he also engaged in sport
boxing franchaise and military international bayonet matches as
well--interesting guy--ralph g
>

an interesting gent in american martial arts history---he studied tenshin shinyo
jiu jitsu from o'brien, jiu jitsu in hawaii[possibly danzan ryu] , defendu from
marine instructors taxis and yeaton and later from w.e. fairbairn
himself--british military sword and bayonet from sgt. j.h. dawkins[kings royal
horse guard] , bayonet combat at military training school of gondrecourt ,
france---rapier and dagger in colonies of poturgal, spain, france. at the cercle
hoche in paris he leaned savate, broadsword from champion m.thomas--epee/foil
from champ jean -marie surget--bayonet, knife and saber from american champ
major william j. hermann--took saber lessons from master costello in new
york.--he continued his boxing instruction under col. miller[marine corps
instructor]and one gene tunney's instructors--biddle sparred with philadelphia
jack o'brien, corbett, fitzsimmons and many great heavy and light heavy
champs--he also[if i remember correctly] wrote the premise for costello's book
on fencing and fitzsimmons manual on boxing and defense--biddle engaged in
hundreds of amuatuer boxing matches and won titles, he also engaged in sport
boxing franchaise and military international bayonet matches as
well--interesting guy--ralph g

members, carl and i both studied fron charles nelson , nelson studied col.
biddle . biddle trained directly with ruby rob [bob] fitzsimmons and was taught
this killing shift ----the lead left set up the ripping hook --whose dual
purpose was to crush rhe jaw or at least take down the left guard of your foe
the important part is to let that rear elbow rip back at the same motion/pivot
as the solar plexus punch [this did mr. corbett in] enjoy---ralph g

--- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "none" <ggrasso06@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZysC-1D5x0Q
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZysC-1D5x0Q

working on get the boxers head in--try again tuesday--my apologies--rg
--- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ggrasso06@... wrote:
>
> _Click here: YouTube -  ww1 boxing_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6pYh_RPiqY)
>

--- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Glyn Grinstead <glyn@...> wrote:
> Currently anonymous on the programme, I understand that list member Milo
> Thurston will be one of several instructors for the first section and I
> hear that there's a possibility that James Marwood may also become
> involved (that's a rumour about a possibility, so less than certain).
> Another name mentioned is Ian Macintyre of the Dawn Duellists Society
> who I don't believe is on this list, but is a well respected teacher
> nonetheless.

That is indeed the case. The plan for the two 90-minute slots is to combine them
to create three blocks of 1 hour each and the three of us (assuming James is
able to make it) to provide an introduction to cane (Ian), savate/pugilism (me)
and ju-jitsu/corps-a-corps (James). My plan is to present some what I have
learned about kicks from studying André and Renaud's books (which have proven
useful for LSD classes) and some pugilism if there's time. Hopefully such a
structure might attract interest from those who might not normally try an
unarmed class and help create more interest in these arts.
Ian's site is here for those interested:
http://www.blackboarswordsmanship.co.uk/index.html
Cunningham is his main interest with the cane, IIRC.
Milo.

Hello all,

While I know some of the people on this list will be aware of this
already, for the last few years there's been a historical combat
event held in the UK at the Royal Armouries in Leeds UK under the
name of SWASH.

Next year's event (20th/21st February 2010) celebrates the 600th
anniversary of Fiore dei Liberi's Flos Duellatorum, however a couple of
other items are noticeable on the programme:

         "A brief introduction to Edwardian antagonistics -
         Gentlemanly self-defence incorporating the cane, savate,
         pugilism and ju-jitsu"

So far this has 30 minutes allocated for a talk and two one-and-a-half
hour slots for practical workshops. This is then followed by a further
one-and-a-half hour talk the next day on:

         "Kernoozers and Antiquarian Antagonistics
         being an informative discourse regarding Hutton, Castle, Burton,
         Allanson-Winn, Barton-Wright and the Victorian foundations of
         contemporary researches"

Currently anonymous on the programme, I understand that list member Milo
Thurston will be one of several instructors for the first section and I
hear that there's a possibility that James Marwood may also become
involved (that's a rumour about a possibility, so less than certain).
Another name mentioned is Ian Macintyre of the Dawn Duellists Society
who I don't believe is on this list, but is a well respected teacher
nonetheless. The talk on Sunday is by Mark Donnelly who I also don't
recall seeing on this list, but I suspect does not really need an
introduction. Suffice to say, in addition to superb technical skills he
is also an extremely engaging presenter and any talk he gives should be
well worth attending.

List members Alex Kiermayer and Phil Crawley are shown as teaching other
classes so it looks like there could be quite a gathering of both people
here and similar kindred spirits if things work out as planned.

For those who haven't been before, the Royal Armouries in Leeds is a
purpose built museum dedicated to the history of arms, armour and
combat. To give an idea of size, I can't think of many museums with a
tiltyard attached. While, sadly, the tiltyard will probably be closed
for the winter, the rest of the resources of the museum will be
available including a large practice hall for workshops, a lecture
theatre for the talks and five floors of arms and armour to wander
around. As a large museum with a single focus it's an impressive site
and worth a trip to visit on its own.

Past SWASH events have included handling sessions hosted by the Royal
Armouries and access to the library with everything from I.33 (the
original) to a facsimile of Talhoffer that was previously owned by
Alfred Hutton. The presence (or absence) of handling sessions for
February haven't been confirmed yet as they're dependent on sufficient
Armouries staff being available but they are a stunning bonus when
they happen.

While I'm not a great fan of formal events, the dinner on the Saturday
is worth mentioning as well as it's held in the galleries of the
Armouries. Last year this included a demonstration of pole-axe combat by
Royal Armouries staff in full suits of plate armour.

General amenities are also good - the recommended hotel was built in the
old Armouries car park so is unbeatable for distance (a multi-storey car
park was also built so there's still somewhere to park), and there's a
selection of restaurants and a small supermarket (Tescos Express) in the
same block.

As you may have gathered by the length of this email, I'm quite
looking forward to this. Past events have certainly been exceptional
in the quality of the sessions, the surroundings and the company and
it would be good to see as many of the list members who can make it
there next year.

The full programme, booking form, recommendations for accommodation etc.
can be found on the web site: http://www.swash2010.com/

Glyn.

Hi guys,

while I'm all in favour of the increasing interest in and enthusiasm for
Bartitsu, we have not previously thought in terms of formal associations, etc. 
Typically, in the past, people who have the resources have set up their own
training, working via the material in the Compendia and/or hosting a seminar to
kick things off.  I think that applies to just about everyone who has taken more
than an academic interest in Bartitsu.

We made the collective decision a long time ago not to politicise the Bartitsu
revival.  The Society is simply an informal collective of groups and individuals
who communicate via the Forum; no official hierarchy, no payment of dues, no
attempt to control who does what.  As several of the documentary interviewees
noted, "we don't own this stuff".  Many of us have enough experience in the
martial arts worlds (both Asian and European) to know what happens when
associations, often started with the best of intentions, get out of hand.

Historically, on this list, new projects have been proposed and the details
discussed collaboratively, from the ground up.  To use the documentary as an
example, discussion here on the Forum led to a list member who is a media
industry professional volunteering his expertise to the project, which continues
to be *hugely* useful.  Likewise, while I took the editorial reins on the
Compendia projects, they were both collaborations between volunteers who located
and scanned source documents, produced transcriptions and translations, offered
editorial consultation etc.  Real-world results and success via colleagues
volunteering their time and expertise.

No offence to anyone, sincerely, but I think that it may have been jumping the
gun a bit to present "Bartitsu Club Germany" as something that has already
happened - a named entity with a particular representative.  Obviously, it takes
time to establish credentials, credibility, contacts and so-on.  However, I'm
gathering that what is being proposed genuinely is not intended as a power-grab
- a "new martial arts association" complete with political baggage - but rather
a collaborative, informal communication network for German Bartitsu enthusiasts.
Basically, if it leads to positive real-world results, that's win-win.

Cheers,

Tony

Hi Stefan!

on the contrary!! you are more than welcome to collaborate.
As that is why I posted the message; search for collaboration, with as many
people possible that are interested.

As it is a Bartitsu Forum I have posted regarding Bartitsu, but any kind of
productive collaboration is more the desired.

Ran


--- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Dieke <forumabo@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Ran!
>
> Does that mean I can not cooperate with you in regards of Bartitsu (or anyhing
else) now?
>
> Regards
>
> Stefan
>

Hello Ran!

Does that mean I can not cooperate with you in regards of Bartitsu (or anyhing
else) now?

Regards

Stefan

Dear Alex,


there is no idea for a franchise, or any official association, for that matter.
The idea is as simple as I wrote it; non - official collaboration between
people.
I would use the word understanding.

it can for example be as simple as putting a link or publicity in different
languages (websites and forums related to the group members) regarding your or
any other group member, future Bartitsu Classes, or collaboration regarding
different events.

So we are talking about autonomy of people in which the thing that unite us is
being european and the information we share, that can be useful for others who
live "near by" and might want to join.

Lets write to one another via email and see what can be done together.


Ran

--- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Kiermayer" <KiermayerAB@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Ran,
>
> I don`t want to offend you, but I´m a little bit skeptical of this Idea. I
> have bad experiences with organisations that offer a kind of martial arts
> franchise system. I might completely misunderstand you but I think we should
> work slowly with an official colaboration.
>
> I´m sure that Carsten Hoffmann is a good guy. I´m also a member of the ADFD
> and know of his work. I hope that I´ll meet him in one of the Academy
> meetings and talk to him regarding these things.
>
> I know a few guys around Germany who are interested in Bartitsu.
>
> Could you please describe more how you imagine this colaboration?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
>
>   -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>   Von: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von bartitsuclubitalia
>   Gesendet: Freitag, 13. November 2009 13:10
>   An: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>   Betreff: [Bartitsu_Forum] Re: Bartitsu Club Europe
>
>
>
>   Good to hear from you too, Stefan!
>
>   please feel free to contact me via my email address, so we can see what
> can be done together with both you and Alex; as you understand the idea of
> Bartitsu Club Germany is new and therefore we create it together, now! (also
> via the forum). The other person interested in Bartitsu is Karsten Hoffmann,
> who is directorial member of the AAI, ADFD and OSC Berlin.
>   Even that he is new to Bartitsu, he is skilled in Fencing and Artistic
> Fencing and is behind the production of Artistic Duelling/ Fencing
> Championships, (including the world championships and the competition in
> Berlin).
>   Regardless to the idea of having Berlin as a Center, it is mainly for
> communication and coordination, (between the different people that join or
> will join; like you and Alex), rather than physically doing all the
> activities there. Karsten is very skilled with this line of work.
>   As I wrote before, it is a non political agreement of collaboration
> between people who share the same passion to Bartitsu.
>   Therefore, to collaborate and promote one another's (Bartitsu Related)
> work in Germany and Europe. (promote your work and exchange information and
> arrange master classes in places), in such a way that we find more way to
> meet and interact
>   It is more a way to share our efforts than anything else.
>
>   Ran
>
>   --- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Dieke <forumabo@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hello Ran,
>   >
>   > well, now that you told us where the center for the Bartitsu Club
> Germany shall be, could you please tell us also who is in
>   > Berlin? So far the only person who came to my mind who would be
> seriously interested in Bartitsu in Germany besides me is Alex.
>   > So who's out there in Berlin?
>   >
>   > Stefan
>   >
>   > bartitsuclubitalia schrieb:
>   > > Good to hear from you Alex! I see that the idea of Bartitsu Club
> Germany has made already a good thing! (its purpose); if you manage to meet
> and collaborate and include also other Bartitsukas from around Germany.
>   > > The center (regarding coordination is in Berlin) and I would like to
> hear from you on my email address; ranarthurbraun@
>   > > This is a non political idea! just collaboration of people with the
> same wish to practice and promote Bartitsu, Therefore, if there are any
> other Germany based members of the forum, please feel free to contact me,
> (even in German)
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Ran
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > --- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Kiermayer" <KiermayerAB@>
> wrote:
>   > >> Hello Ran,
>   > >>
>   > >> sounds good! Would you mind telling me who will be the representative
> for
>   > >> the Bartitsu Club Germany? As far I know there are not too many
> people
>   > >> practicing it here.
>   > >>
>   > >>
>   > >> Servus,
>   > >>
>   > >> Alex
>   > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>   > >> Von: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>   > >> [mailto:Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von
> bartitsuclubitalia
>   > >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. November 2009 20:14
>   > >> An: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>   > >> Betreff: [Bartitsu_Forum] Bartitsu Club Europe
>   > >>
>   > >>
>   > >>
>   > >> After the birth of Bartitsu Club Italia, we are happy with the birth
> of
>   > >> its younger brother, Bartitsu Club Russia. (As you can see on the
>   > >> bartitsu.org website), With in the next couple of weeks, Bartitsu
> Club
>   > >> France will join and we aim to have also Bartitsu Club Germany.
>   > >> Therefore, to have Italy, Russia, France and Germany collaborate and
>   > >> exchange Instructors and research information, while promoting
> Bartitsu in
>   > >> Europe, in collaboration with the "mother"; Bartitsu International.
>   > >> We aim for an exchange of information but also to have a chance to
> have
>   > >> the "same" formation regarding Bartitsu, therefore, being united also
> with
>   > >> the choice of guest instructors, who can later tour between the
> centers and
>   > >> make sure that the Canonical Bartitsu and Neo Bartitsu have the same
>   > >> controlled "base" (Formation).
>   > >> Sure! we hope to also invite specialists in Savate, Jiujitsu, Cane du
>   > >> Combat and traditional Boxing, to improve the "added" skills and
> techniques.
>   > >>
>   > >> Looking forward!
>   > >>
>   > >> Ran
>   > >>
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von bartitsuclubitalia
Gesendet: Freitag, 13. November 2009 13:10
An: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [Bartitsu_Forum] Re: Bartitsu Club Europe

 

Good to hear from you too, Stefan!

please feel free to contact me via my email address, so we can see what can be done together with both you and Alex; as you understand the idea of Bartitsu Club Germany is new and therefore we create it together, now! (also via the forum). The other person interested in Bartitsu is Karsten Hoffmann, who is directorial member of the AAI, ADFD and OSC Berlin.
Even that he is new to Bartitsu, he is skilled in Fencing and Artistic Fencing and is behind the production of Artistic Duelling/ Fencing Championships, (including the world championships and the competition in Berlin).
Regardless to the idea of having Berlin as a Center, it is mainly for communication and coordination, (between the different people that join or will join; like you and Alex), rather than physically doing all the activities there. Karsten is very skilled with this line of work.
As I wrote before, it is a non political agreement of collaboration between people who share the same passion to Bartitsu.
Therefore, to collaborate and promote one another's (Bartitsu Related) work in Germany and Europe. (promote your work and exchange information and arrange master classes in places), in such a way that we find more way to meet and interact
It is more a way to share our efforts than anything else.

Ran

--- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Dieke <forumabo@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Ran,
>
> well, now that you told us where the center for the Bartitsu Club Germany shall be, could you please tell us also who is in
> Berlin? So far the only person who came to my mind who would be seriously interested in Bartitsu in Germany besides me is Alex.
> So who's out there in Berlin?
>
> Stefan
>
> bartitsuclubitalia schrieb:
> > Good to hear from you Alex! I see that the idea of Bartitsu Club Germany has made already a good thing! (its purpose); if you manage to meet and collaborate and include also other Bartitsukas from around Germany.
> > The center (regarding coordination is in Berlin) and I would like to hear from you on my email address; ranarthurbraun@...
> > This is a non political idea! just collaboration of people with the same wish to practice and promote Bartitsu, Therefore, if there are any other Germany based members of the forum, please feel free to contact me, (even in German)
> >
> >
> > Ran
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Kiermayer" <KiermayerAB@> wrote:
> >> Hello Ran,
> >>
> >> sounds good! Would you mind telling me who will be the representative for
> >> the Bartitsu Club Germany? As far I know there are not too many people
> >> practicing it here.
> >>
> >>
> >> Servus,
> >>
> >> Alex
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> >> [mailto:Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von bartitsuclubitalia
> >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. November 2009 20:14
> >> An: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> >> Betreff: [Bartitsu_Forum] Bartitsu Club Europe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> After the birth of Bartitsu Club Italia, we are happy with the birth of
> >> its younger brother, Bartitsu Club Russia. (As you can see on the
> >> bartitsu.org website), With in the next couple of weeks, Bartitsu Club
> >> France will join and we aim to have also Bartitsu Club Germany.
> >> Therefore, to have Italy, Russia, France and Germany collaborate and
> >> exchange Instructors and research information, while promoting Bartitsu in
> >> Europe, in collaboration with the "mother"; Bartitsu International.
> >> We aim for an exchange of information but also to have a chance to have
> >> the "same" formation regarding Bartitsu, therefore, being united also with
> >> the choice of guest instructors, who can later tour between the centers and
> >> make sure that the Canonical Bartitsu and Neo Bartitsu have the same
> >> controlled "base" (Formation).
> >> Sure! we hope to also invite specialists in Savate, Jiujitsu, Cane du
> >> Combat and traditional Boxing, to improve the "added" skills and techniques.
> >>
> >> Looking forward!
> >>
> >> Ran
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

Good to hear from you too, Stefan!

please feel free to contact me via my email address, so we can see what can be
done together with both you and Alex; as you understand the idea of Bartitsu
Club Germany is new and therefore we create it together, now! (also via the
forum). The other person interested in Bartitsu is Karsten Hoffmann, who is
directorial member of the AAI, ADFD and OSC Berlin.
Even that he is new to Bartitsu, he is skilled in Fencing and Artistic Fencing 
and is behind the production of Artistic Duelling/ Fencing Championships,
(including the world championships and the competition in Berlin).
Regardless to the idea of having Berlin as a Center, it is mainly for
communication and coordination, (between the different people that join or will
join; like you and Alex), rather than physically doing all the activities there.
Karsten is very skilled with this line of work.
  As I wrote before, it is a non political agreement of collaboration between
people who share the same passion to Bartitsu.
Therefore, to collaborate and promote one another's (Bartitsu Related) work in
Germany and Europe. (promote your work and exchange information and arrange
master classes in places), in such a way that we find more way to meet and
interact
It is more a way to share our efforts than anything else.

Ran


--- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Dieke <forumabo@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Ran,
>
> well, now that you told us where the center for the Bartitsu Club Germany
shall be, could you please tell us also who is in
> Berlin? So far the only person who came to my mind who would be seriously
interested in Bartitsu in Germany besides me is Alex.
> So who's out there in Berlin?
>
> Stefan
>
> bartitsuclubitalia schrieb:
> > Good to hear from you Alex! I see that the idea of Bartitsu Club Germany has
made already a good thing! (its purpose); if you manage to meet and collaborate
and include also other Bartitsukas from around Germany.
> > The center (regarding coordination is in Berlin) and I would like to hear
from you on my email address; ranarthurbraun@...
> > This is a non political idea! just collaboration of people with the same
wish to practice and promote Bartitsu, Therefore, if there are any other Germany
based members of the forum, please feel free to contact me, (even in German)
> >
> >
> > Ran
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Kiermayer" <KiermayerAB@>
wrote:
> >> Hello Ran,
> >>
> >> sounds good! Would you mind telling me who will be the representative for
> >> the Bartitsu Club Germany? As far I know there are not too many people
> >> practicing it here.
> >>
> >>
> >> Servus,
> >>
> >> Alex
> >>   -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >>   Von: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> >> [mailto:Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von bartitsuclubitalia
> >>   Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. November 2009 20:14
> >>   An: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> >>   Betreff: [Bartitsu_Forum] Bartitsu Club Europe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   After the birth of Bartitsu Club Italia, we are happy with the birth of
> >> its younger brother, Bartitsu Club Russia. (As you can see on the
> >> bartitsu.org website), With in the next couple of weeks, Bartitsu Club
> >> France will join and we aim to have also Bartitsu Club Germany.
> >>   Therefore, to have Italy, Russia, France and Germany collaborate and
> >> exchange Instructors and research information, while promoting Bartitsu in
> >> Europe, in collaboration with the "mother"; Bartitsu International.
> >>   We aim for an exchange of information but also to have a chance to have
> >> the "same" formation regarding Bartitsu, therefore, being united also with
> >> the choice of guest instructors, who can later tour between the centers and
> >> make sure that the Canonical Bartitsu and Neo Bartitsu have the same
> >> controlled "base" (Formation).
> >>   Sure! we hope to also invite specialists in Savate, Jiujitsu, Cane du
> >> Combat and traditional Boxing, to improve the "added" skills and
techniques.
> >>
> >>   Looking forward!
> >>
> >>   Ran
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

Hello Ran,

well, now that you told us where the center for the Bartitsu Club Germany shall
be, could you please tell us also who is in
Berlin? So far the only person who came to my mind who would be seriously
interested in Bartitsu in Germany besides me is Alex.
So who's out there in Berlin?

Stefan

bartitsuclubitalia schrieb:
> Good to hear from you Alex! I see that the idea of Bartitsu Club Germany has
made already a good thing! (its purpose); if you manage to meet and collaborate
and include also other Bartitsukas from around Germany.
> The center (regarding coordination is in Berlin) and I would like to hear from
you on my email address; ranarthurbraun@...
> This is a non political idea! just collaboration of people with the same wish
to practice and promote Bartitsu, Therefore, if there are any other Germany
based members of the forum, please feel free to contact me, (even in German)
>
>
> Ran
>
>
>
> --- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Kiermayer" <KiermayerAB@...>
wrote:
>> Hello Ran,
>>
>> sounds good! Would you mind telling me who will be the representative for
>> the Bartitsu Club Germany? As far I know there are not too many people
>> practicing it here.
>>
>>
>> Servus,
>>
>> Alex
>>   -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>   Von: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von bartitsuclubitalia
>>   Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. November 2009 20:14
>>   An: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>>   Betreff: [Bartitsu_Forum] Bartitsu Club Europe
>>
>>
>>
>>   After the birth of Bartitsu Club Italia, we are happy with the birth of
>> its younger brother, Bartitsu Club Russia. (As you can see on the
>> bartitsu.org website), With in the next couple of weeks, Bartitsu Club
>> France will join and we aim to have also Bartitsu Club Germany.
>>   Therefore, to have Italy, Russia, France and Germany collaborate and
>> exchange Instructors and research information, while promoting Bartitsu in
>> Europe, in collaboration with the "mother"; Bartitsu International.
>>   We aim for an exchange of information but also to have a chance to have
>> the "same" formation regarding Bartitsu, therefore, being united also with
>> the choice of guest instructors, who can later tour between the centers and
>> make sure that the Canonical Bartitsu and Neo Bartitsu have the same
>> controlled "base" (Formation).
>>   Sure! we hope to also invite specialists in Savate, Jiujitsu, Cane du
>> Combat and traditional Boxing, to improve the "added" skills and techniques.
>>
>>   Looking forward!
>>
>>   Ran
>>
>
>
>

Good to hear from you Alex! I see that the idea of Bartitsu Club Germany has
made already a good thing! (its purpose); if you manage to meet and collaborate
and include also other Bartitsukas from around Germany.
The center (regarding coordination is in Berlin) and I would like to hear from
you on my email address; ranarthurbraun@...
This is a non political idea! just collaboration of people with the same wish to
practice and promote Bartitsu, Therefore, if there are any other Germany based
members of the forum, please feel free to contact me, (even in German)


Ran



--- In Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Kiermayer" <KiermayerAB@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Ran,
>
> sounds good! Would you mind telling me who will be the representative for
> the Bartitsu Club Germany? As far I know there are not too many people
> practicing it here.
>
>
> Servus,
>
> Alex
>   -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>   Von: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von bartitsuclubitalia
>   Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. November 2009 20:14
>   An: Bartitsu_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>   Betreff: [Bartitsu_Forum] Bartitsu Club Europe
>
>
>
>   After the birth of Bartitsu Club Italia, we are happy with the birth of
> its younger brother, Bartitsu Club Russia. (As you can see on the
> bartitsu.org website), With in the next couple of weeks, Bartitsu Club
> France will join and we aim to have also Bartitsu Club Germany.
>   Therefore, to have Italy, Russia, France and Germany collaborate and
> exchange Instructors and research information, while promoting Bartitsu in
> Europe, in collaboration with the "mother"; Bartitsu International.
>   We aim for an exchange of information but also to have a chance to have
> the "same" formation regarding Bartitsu, therefore, being united also with
> the choice of guest instructors, who can later tour between the centers and
> make sure that the Canonical Bartitsu and Neo Bartitsu have the same
> controlled "base" (Formation).
>   Sure! we hope to also invite specialists in Savate, Jiujitsu, Cane du
> Combat and traditional Boxing, to improve the "added" skills and techniques.
>
>   Looking forward!
>
>   Ran
>

Hi all,

and welcome to our new members.  Please feel free to ask questions, etc. - we're
here to serve.

There has been an awful lot of behind-the-scenes documentary activity over the
past month, including more filming (of re-enactment sequences, etc.), the
mammoth task of compiling a library of archival images to be featured in the
historical sections, more interviews coming in from various parts of the world,
and the ever more complex task of crafting the script.

I'm very grateful to my collaborators who have volunteered their time and
expertise towards this project, and am happy to report that we're making good
progress.  We're currently waiting on a couple of late additions; opportunities
that were too good to pass up, and which have been brought in to the production
schedule over the past couple of weeks.

We're currently anticipating a release of the documentary trailer around
Christmas to co-incide with the release of the new Sherlock Holmes movie.  The
documentary itself may become available (on DVD, with the options of
rent-on-demand or buy-on-demand instant download as well) as early as late
January.  My best guess is that it will be about an hour long, including
in-depth interviews, animations, archival pictures, re-enactment sequences and
neo-Bartitsu footage.

Onward and upward -

Cheers,

Tony