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gents, more good stuff------25 lessons in official jiu jitsu as taught in the japanes army and navy including the vital touches methods of vivification and...
ralph
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May 1, 2003
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This is just a personal opinion, but I believe you have put it rather succinctly. What I think Barton-Wright was faced with was trainingVictorian men to defend...
will thomas
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May 1, 2003
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will, in my opinion the program i precribed is based on many manuals from the time period and [ importantly] from the thirties and 40's because the authors ...
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baritsu6
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May 1, 2003
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... Ralph- Is this similar to the stance Edward L. Allen used (American JiuJitsu, 1943)? Jason...
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May 1, 2003
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Ralph, ... We've previously discussed the idea of a streamed approach: 1 - preserving and re-creating "classical Bartitsu" based closely on B-W's own articles,...
Tony Wolf
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May 1, 2003
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then perhaps a combo of 1 and 2 would be the way to go--------ralph------his original wazas and then our eclectic idead of where he was going to later...
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May 1, 2003
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jason, that is similiar but different, i also teach that method as well as the blows are directed under the punching arm-------------ralph...
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baritsu6
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May 1, 2003
7:39 pm
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Were we to use pure Tenshin, which itself was part of Kano's Jiu-Jitsu,as a basis for this "new Bartitsu", we would be neglecting the time BWspent learning...
will thomas
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May 1, 2003
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Does anyone have a tenshin manual, or are we cobbling one together from similar moves by fellows like Tani and Raku ( and Mrs. Watts,of course)? -Will ... Do...
will thomas
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May 1, 2003
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there are several but the two i have that are seldefense tenshin are thornberry and lincks-------ralph...
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baritsu6
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May 1, 2003
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Ralph , from "All round self defence" " by Caption H Webb 1903 , " I do mean that by this that one should learn all the Savate blows , a few only are...
craig gemeiner
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May 2, 2003
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dear gents, i love this list very much and i will contribute as long as listmembers can stomach me but one thing i have noticed, only the same 5-6 guys...
ralph
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May 2, 2003
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Ralph, I've enjoyed your posts since the Whammer days, so keep it up. Where are you getting your Biddle info, b/c I haven't found anything solid on him. I have...
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May 3, 2003
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do you have a 1944 do or die? it says that o'brien was his jiu jitsu instructor , i have biddles philadelphia navy yard judo course-----pretty much matches...
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baritsu6
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May 3, 2003
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jason, by the way , check the date wasn't okazaki's book on girl's jiu jitsu is from 1929 -----so he already was a prominent instructor------biddle could have...
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baritsu6
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May 3, 2003
3:24 am
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No, only the 1937, although I have heard the 1944 is better. I'll get right on it. A later date would make sense for training with Okazaki, b/c the daughter's...
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May 3, 2003
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i do not know how much president teddy studied with o'brien----------i believe biddle studied from him much more------ah , here it is!------looking at the 44...
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May 3, 2003
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Biddle studied Savate at the Cercle were he learned fencing from M.Serget and Thomas .The Cercle was an exclusive men's (sports) club in Paris the joining fee...
craig gemeiner
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May 3, 2003
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From: ggrasso06@... wrote - ... Ralph, A type of cross guard used by Freddie Millers is very briefly mentioned on page 119 of Ned Beauments book " Savage...
craig gemeiner
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May 3, 2003
1:15 pm
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Reagarding the "same 5 or 6 guys", perhaps we should get the wordout about Bartitsu a bit better, at schools and tournaments, on thenet, at other Yahoogroups,...
will thomas
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May 3, 2003
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I have a question about Biddle. In his daughter's book, The Happiest Millionaire, she says he travelled to shanghai and trained with Fairbairn. In both the...
Cris-Mariann
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May 3, 2003
7:31 pm
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yes, but mine is jiu jitsu origin--------ralph...
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May 3, 2003
9:56 pm
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... A few months ago I put together a hobby website on the Bartitsu theme - http://www.geocities.com/lone_wolf_92001/Index.html . It pre-supposes that we have...
Tony Wolf
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May 3, 2003
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i do not have any positive proof [ maybe carl does] but why not? what reason does the daughter have to lie? after all biddle was always traveling the world...
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baritsu6
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May 3, 2003
10:00 pm
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I found two very different reviews of Percy Longhurst's book Judo and Ju Jitsu. Here,http://bestjudo.com/brjujutsuandjudo.shtml , it is described as a blatant...
Cris-Mariann
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May 4, 2003
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If the Hancock text (Complete Kano Jiu-Jitsu, etc.) is actually Tenshin, what is the earliest Jiudo text available? Since the style evolved so much, I would...
will thomas
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May 5, 2003
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Didn't Tani write a book? Does anyone own a copy? If so, it would be theclosest to BW's jiu-jitsu elements as possible. -Will ... Do you Yahoo!? The New...
will thomas
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May 5, 2003
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dear tony, article went out today airmail---7-9 working days from new york-----will , some of those books are on abebooks. com and are purely judo-----esp....
ralph
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May 5, 2003
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... Thanks, looking forward to it. Do you have any thoughts on the prototype Bartistu Society website? Tony ...
Tony Wolf
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May 6, 2003
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tony, once again , just my opinion----i do not know if do the waza from pearsons is where barton wright was really going , it might have been what he thought...
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