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Re: [BaronOwners] Re:Baron or Fujin?

I'm a Baron fan, with little other experience.

It's important to get a seat that fits! A proper seat fit stands the head up without other support. The foam cushion does compress over time, but has never caused angst. I have done 15000 km in a couple of years. I'm a big heavy bloke but have managed to successfully complete Audax rides out to 1200 on the Baron, and comfort is its strength. 

I bought mine with U bars fitted and never regretted that choice. I have recently fitted the Optima hinging stem and Optima hamster bars cut back to 38cm. I'm very happy with the new arrangement as well, but would not have done it to start. In my opinion the Baron is a great tourer, and I would be looking to fit a luggage carrying tailfairing for that purpose. The head up position, outward view, easy speed and comfort are winners to me. Tailfairings out to 90 litres are possible from joints like www.novosport.de - though I've not tried them - yet. Added performance and secure load carrying, has to be good.

Being heavy, descents are my forte. I've routinely exceeded 80kph and over 90 on enough occasions. Stability at these speeds is no issue, your faith in the durability of your tyres might be. My Baron is the 2006 alloy frame with reinforcing webs. CF seat worth the investment. Front disk brake for me most important. Current Baron Attack alloy frame in 7005 is lighter, and standard spec seems to include hinged stem tiller.

I'm 189cm and 108kg. your requirements and comfort may differ, but I think it's a great bike, and also has no quoted load limit. The Fujin return idler, beautiful item, but protrudes into my leg space. Fujin felt pretty good otherwise, but slighty shorter wheelbase would cramp my bigger seat. Also, it has only recently extended it's load limit to 105kg !! I've only ridden a few hundred meters.

I'd buy another Baron without a blink. I intend doing self supporting camping holidays on it in the coming year. Couldn't think of anything better 100+km /day rural touring.

Cheers, Simon

From: Lisa Bromfield <itselfthelma@...>
To: baronowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 27 October, 2008 11:22:58 PM
Subject: RE: [BaronOwners] Re:Baron or Fujin?

Can anyone comment on the seat pad on the Baron?  I have read on a couple of threads that it is thin and can lead to some discomfort.
 
Thanks!
 
Lisa




To: BaronOwners@ yahoogroups. com
From: wordy@internode. on.net
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:13:46 +1100
Subject: [BaronOwners] Re:Baron or Fujin?


I have the Raptor which as far as I can tell is a carbon Baron. I've dropped the chain and changed the bars pictured to a swivel stem with the M5 vee bar.  http://www.flickr. com/photos/ brecumbent/ 2153458016/
 
I'm running a Terracycle idler. There are no chain rub issues for me BUT I need the full road width to do a U turn. I have a dual front setup with a 60 tooth ring. The bike is beautifully stable - my max. speed so far is 70 kph but there's no indication that it would misbehave at 100.
 
I can't speak for the Fujin but I did briefly own the Seiran SL and the Challenge build is excellent.
 
In favour of the Baron is the fact that the Optima bikes are a 'system'  - you can visit their web site and buy off the shelf accessories.
 
I own an Optima Lynx for touring and IMO the dedicated touring bike is a far better choice than the Baron.
It's simply more comfortable and already set up with racks. I wouldn't want to tour on the Raptor. It would be perfectly feasible to tow a BOB (which would be my choice rather than panniers,) but you sacrifice comfort for speed.




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What's a Baron "Lite"? chain rubbing, at least for me, was only an issue when I dropped the chain, but was solved when I put two 3" floating chaintubes on the...
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Can anyone comment on the seat pad on the Baron? I have read on a couple of threads that it is thin and can lead to some discomfort. Thanks! Lisa To:...
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... couple of threads that it is thin and can lead to some discomfort. ... I am still using the original pad that came with my Baron. It's a 2" open cell foam....
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I'm a Baron fan, with little other experience. It's important to get a seat that fits! A proper seat fit stands the head up without other support. The foam...
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90 kph???!! You must be an expert on seats having "soiled" so many at those speeds. Can you recommend one for us slow pokes with fecal stain resistance not a...
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... Seems about right! One of my normal rides takes me down about an 8% grade. I routinely hit 52mph (~84kph) & I'm sure that I've gone faster than that. ...
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And I hear that the Baron is so stable it can handle those speeds. Yes the Fujin maybe light, but the extra weight with the Baron I believe makes it a great...
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... I will start by saying that I don't have a Baron yet, but I plan to get one by next spring. I have gone just over 82kph and somewhat routinely attain...
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Obviously you haven't fallen at those speeds. I slid 5 meters on my butt on asphalt after falling at 55kph. The result you can see on my posted pics. On a...
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... No I have not crashed at those speeds, but I have at the speed you described (55kph). In racing there are falls. Meeting the pavement at half that is no...
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And the good news about the Baron is that you'll land on your ass instead of your head. ... described (55kph). In racing there are falls. Meeting the pavement...
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Check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Dapy1xUq0 Now picture it wthout the fairing! ... you ... at ... a...
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And now on a DF ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbT8N42QJik&feature=related ... pavement ... on...
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