Greg,

I am using Terracycle's power side & return Idlers on my Baron.
I originally purchased the power side idler by itself because the
return idler kit was not available at the time.
I needed to keep the chain tube & use a fixed (not floating) setup to
clear the double century bags that I have strapped under the seat.
I was able to use the original chain keeper with the chain tube
attached, but had to use spacers to align the chain tube with the new
idler sprocket.
Any misalignment created a lot of noise.

Later when I purchased the return idler kit, I had numerous problems
with the installation & was in touch with Terracycle several times.
The return idlers must float to avoid the chain running against the
sides of the idlers which creates a lot of noise.
My Baron is a 2003 & required an adapter that moves the upper idler
forward.
The lower return idler requires that you either cutoff the original
chain keeper or reverse the mount so that the original chain keeper is
facing away from the idler.
For my installation the seat bolt that is shared with the lower idler
mount had to be replaced with one with a narrower head as it
interfered with the idler when it floated in toward the frame.
My lower idler mount was slightly bent & this caused a misalignment
that would not allow the chain to clear the side of the idler in the
lower gears on the cassette.
The forward movement of the upper return idler changed the chain line
so that it interfered with the back of the front tire when turning left.
I rotated the lower idler mount forward about 45° to correct this.
Some of these fixes I figured out & some were from Pat & Robert of
Terracycle.
By all means talk with these people about any problems that you're
having with their products.
They were very quick to respond to my problems & were able to supply a
couple of the non standard parts that I needed to complete the
installation at no additional charge.

Remember to check your chain length when you are finished.
Since the Terracycle idlers are larger than the originals, you may
need to add a couple of links to your chain.

Robert


--- In BaronOwners@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Billesbach" <gbilles@...>
wrote:
>
> Tennbent,
> I bought the orange Baron and My brother Mike bought the White Baron
> from Bentupcycles.
> I have the same triple as you. Bentupcycles replaced what came with the
> my Baron to the triple with a wider Axle.(for chain clearance of the
> stock chainline)
> Mike put terracycle Idlers on his White Baron and changed his chainline
> to low. I believe he used an Idler that he had on another of his bikes.
> It is a Terracycle idler and has no problems with that set up. (That I
> know of)
> I tried this also, but had the same noise problems as you with my (new)
> Terracycle idler. I didn't like the low chainline or the noise from the
> Terracycle Idler and have since gone back to the original Optima Baron
> chainline set-up, with the exception of the chain tube which I removed.
> The chain power and return paths clear each other by aprox. 1/8 in.
> Result is everything is quiet again and the chain doesn't come off when
> back peddeling with the low chainline and wheel turned.
> I tried the same (new) Terracycle Idler I bought for the Baron on my 05
> Catrike Speed. It was noisy there also.
> My question, is this:
> What did you end up finding out about your Terracyle Idler. Did you get
> it to work quietly? Did Terracyle help?
> I haven't contacted Terracyle yet. I though I'd see what you ended up
> doing before contacting them.
> Thanx.
> Greg
>
> His Baron
>