Tom Withers is Cleveland's AP beat writer.  This is the article he wrote when
Jamal became the last of the last of 50,000 players who have exploded along with
the last twenty-five comments of the 174 who have written in as of 405 PM, from
the Harvard and Yale Creative Writing Guild who generally writes this stuff and
sends it in.  You may have already heard of Jamal Lewis.
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Lewis says Mangini overworking Browns
By TOM WITHERS, AP Sports Writer
2 hours, 50 minutes ago

BEREA, Ohio (AP)—Cleveland Browns running back Jamal Lewis said he's frustrated
by another losing season and believes coach Eric Mangini is pushing his players
too hard.

Lewis, who intends to retire after this season, said Thursday that he doesn't
want to be a "babysitter" to Cleveland's younger players. He wants to win and
expressed disappointment that two- and three-hour practices aren't translating
into wins for the team, which has a 1-7 record.

"There's talent all over this locker room, young and old," he said before
practice. "There's talent everywhere, but that talent has got to be ready for
Sunday, it's got to be fresh for Sunday. You can work all day, but if you're
going to work like that, you're probably not going to get what you want out of
your players."

While Lewis doesn't mind working hard, he said Mangini is wearing out his
players. The team captain said he hasn't approached his coach about making
changes.

"This is his show, not mine," Lewis said. "You got to take care of your crop. If
you don't, when it comes time to harvest, you're not going to make no money
because the crop is no good. That's that."

Lewis said the length and intensity of Mangini's practices are not the issue,
it's that the first-year coach's approach isn't producing wins.

"If I'm going to come out here and work the way I work, then I want results,"
Lewis said. "Right now, that's not what's going on. I feel like it's just a
waste of time for me."

Earlier, Mangini said he has changed his approach and adjusted this season.

Lewis was asked to comment on the coach's stance.

"Next question," he said.

  174. Posted by northrun46 Thu Nov 12 4:37pm EST
You look in he eyes and you knows he stupid

  173. Posted by northrun46 Thu Nov 12 4:36pm EST
You look in he eyes and you knows he stupid

  172. Posted by northrun46 Thu Nov 12 4:36pm EST
You look in he eyes and you knows he stupid

  171. Posted by pyronite59 Thu Nov 12 4:34pm EST
I mean come on, we talkin' bout practice. Not the actual game, we talkin' bout
practice. It's a different story come game time, but we talkin' bout practice.
We talkin' bout practice. It's not like he's not givin' 100%, but we talkin'
bout practice. Seriously! We talkin' bout practice. Just practice, man. Not the
game, not actually goin out on the field to score real points..... we talkin'
bout practice. Practice! We talkin' bout practice.

  170. Posted by Islam Thu Nov 12 4:29pm EST
vvvvvvvvvvvvvdfgtftrtrt

  169. Posted by allenh1@... Thu Nov 12 4:29pm EST Report Abuse
Always nice when the media "chats up" a convicted drug dealer, even in
Cleveland!

  168. Posted by AintBeleven Thu Nov 12 4:27pm EST
This is what the NFL has come down to........


........Whine Whine Whine when the little babies dont get their way!

he should go miserate with TO!
  167. Posted by AintBeleven Thu Nov 12 4:27pm EST
This is whatthe NFL has come down to........


........Whine Whine Whine when the little babies dont get their way!

he should go miserate with TO!

  166. Posted by Jeffrey Thu Nov 12 4:27pm EST
Sure, that'll work Jamal - work a little less. The results have been SO GOOD so
far.....

  165. Posted by buttonflyguy469 Thu Nov 12 4:26pm EST
maybe lewis would rather flip burgers at Jack"s. seem like they could have a
team reunion in a couple years. and nobody would really care. oppps, sorry,
seems that you have to work for eight hours instead of standing around for 4
hours and excersing for about 45 minutes. nice gig, lewis. spend you money on
tyson defense fund.

  164. Posted by Lind Thu Nov 12 4:25pm EST
Mangina is the most hated man in Cleveland since Mr. Common Sense and Ernest
Byner.

  163. Posted by Larry Thu Nov 12 4:25pm EST
Lewis, should have manned up, and gone to the coach to express his sentiments,
instead of the press. Keep it in house dude.

  162. Posted by steve d Thu Nov 12 4:23pm EST
POST 155 ARE U NUTS AND IS LEWIS NUTS!!!??? great talent? where ? have they made
the playoffs ever with this so called great talent. the team is absolute
goarbage in fact last years lions team had more talent and was more competitive
in games than this years team. Edwards rops passes , lewis is too old and slow,
no QB'S nothing, i mean ur best players are a kick returner in cribbs and a DT
in rodgers and dequell Jackson is solid, other than that this team is absolute
garbage. I mean the bears played awful, get ripped on for the win yet the score
was still 30-6! how bad is this team!at least last year the lions had calvin
johnson, kevin smith and ernie sims! great talent are u kidding Talent hell mora
should answer that question, this roster has absolutely nothing, blow up the
team

  161. Posted by drunk dude Thu Nov 12 4:23pm EST
I think the Browns players a just angry that the excessively soft coaching style
of Crennel has ended abruptly, and he's been replaced with a serious coach who
expects them to act and perform like professionals.

  160. Posted by buttonflyguy469 Thu Nov 12 4:22pm EST
maybe lewis would rather flip burgers at Jack"s. seem like they could have a
team reunion in a couple years. and nobody would really care. oppps, sorry,
seems that you have to work for eight hours instead of standing around for 4
hours and excersing for about 45 minutes. nice gig, lewis. spend you money on
tyson defense fund.

  159. Posted by chewy Thu Nov 12 4:22pm EST Report Abuse
not to defend mangini jamal is only averageing 58 yrd a game 0 td 349 yards
total I would have his ass out there to practicing.2 or 3 hrs a day for the
amount of money they make

  158. Posted by Thayer Thu Nov 12 4:22pm EST
Working too hard? These are supposed to PROFESSIONAL athletes!! Two hours is
pretty much normal lengths for practice from the time an athlete hits jr. high.
my theory is that isn't the coaching as much as it is the fact that the Browns
have nothing but sucky quarterbacks and a dinosaur for a running back.

  157. Posted by Steve Thu Nov 12 4:22pm EST
shut it all down

  156. Posted by EricT Thu Nov 12 4:21pm EST
I can't believe anyone is defending Mangini. The guy is a proven looser. His
record is sub .500 and that was BEFORE he joined the Browns.

He systematically stripped the Browns of all of their talent. He traded Edwards
and Winslow. He let Sean Jones walk and has destroyed whatever Brady Quinn might
have had. That's 3 first rounders and a 2nd rounder among others. On top of that
I fully expect Josh Cribbs to walk as soon as he can. Hey Mangini might even
trade him before he looses his job just to set Cleveland back another couple
years.

You absolutely do NOT get rid of talent in the NFL. What he got in return for 3
first rounders and a second is NOTHING but some NY Jets retreads. The Jets are
better off without those players AND Mangini.

I am not saying I can coach the Browns or anyone else for that matter but a Head
coach is not there to truly coach but to manage. He needs to assemble the best
in his staff and his team. He has not done that. top that off with guys not
wanting to play for him and he's done in this league.

  155. Posted by lcctennispro Thu Nov 12 4:15pm EST
I think Jamal has handled himself like a true pro and has set a great example
for the younger Browns. He's been a mentor to Harrison and shown a great work
ethic. He's frustrated and you can't blame him. All true Browns fans are
frustrated. The Browns have had some good, if not great, talent, but they've
been let go or traded away, primarily the receivers: Jurevicious, Winslow,
Edwards. The team they had two years ago has been replaced by ex-Jets and
players who lack the same skill level as the players we had in 2007. Now, thanks
to Mangini, we're three years away from being playoff contenders again. Mangini
has to go. He doesn't have what it takes to rebuild. He's made this team worse!
Schottenheimer would be a good pick. So would Cowher. Get a good GM in there who
can evaluate talent on the team and talent in the draft. We have a lot of draft
picks next year, so getting a good GM is important if we're going to rebuild.

  154. Posted by F. C Thu Nov 12 4:10pm EST

145. Posted by traveling gyn Thu Nov 12 3:59pm EST How bout the idiot that
thinks bringing Cower into Cleveland would make them winners. Steelers would
have won at least three championships under Cower if he wasn't so pig headed and
narrow minded. Yeah, he can bring Kordell with him to replace Brady Quinn.....
hahahahaahhaaaaa
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I might be wrong on this one but I thought Cower said he would never coach for
the browns? Can you blame him?

  153. Posted by Paul Thu Nov 12 4:10pm EST
Being from Baltimore, I can tell you Jamal Lewis is a cry baby, lazy ass,
over-paid has-been. He has NEVER been worth what he has been paid, and is only
living off his one Super Bowl season. It's a good thing he's retiring. Maybe
Cleveland will find a good use for the money they spend on his lazy ass.

  152. Posted by Tommy Thu Nov 12 4:10pm EST
So, Jets players from the past couple seasons under Mangini went through the
same training and no one complained about being worked too hard. Mangini does
the same stuff with the Browns and they complain that it's too hard? Makes you
wonder if it's the coach or the players around him....

  151. Posted by Big Greaser Thu Nov 12 4:08pm EST
2-3 hrs a day practice - what a whiner! thats nothin!!!

  150. Posted by Wordsworthy Thu Nov 12 4:05pm EST
Another Mangenious moment.

I am prretty sure Beneitz coldcocked(SP) Stawberry then of all people Alan
Mills came to the rescue of Benetiz and the both of the as a 1-2 punch beat the
living piss out of several Yankees.

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> <<  289 saves as well as a career ERA of 3.13. Stephen  >>
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>
> Well, those seem like pretty good closer stats to me.  He was also involved in
a couple of other yowser events that I might have mixed up when thinking of him
as being involved in the Mussina fight.  From Wikipedia:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Benítez was signed in 1990 by the Baltimore Orioles as a free agent. Coming up
through the Orioles' farm system, he made his debut in 1994. While with the
Orioles, he initially struggled, collecting a 5.66 ERA in 1995 and faltering in
the postseason frequently. [1]. In the 1996 ALCS he yielded the infamous Jeffrey
Maier home run. By 1998 he started to show some of his future potential earning
a 3.82 ERA and 22 saves in 71 games. In 1997 Benitez had a break out year, as he
excelled in the set up role for Orioles' closer Randy Myers, forming a lethal
1-2 punch at the back end of the Orioles bullpen and propelling them to the A.L.
East pennant.
>
> In 1998, as the fulltime closer for the Orioles his season was defined by an
incident that occurred in May at Yankee Stadium. WIth the Orioles clinging to a
5-4 8th inning lead, Benitez gave up a 3-run home run to Bernie Williams. After
allowing the home run, a clearly flustered and frustrated Benitez drilled the
next batter, Tino Martinez in the back and challenged the entire Yankees' bench
to a brawl. The Yankees' complied and Benitez took a hard blow from Darryl
Strawberry that knocked him back into the dugout, after narrowly escaping the
reach of enraged Yankees' reliever Graeme Lloyd. This was also the second time
Benitez hit Tino Martinez after allowing a home run, the previous time occurring
in 1995 at Oriole Park when Martinez was a member of the Mariners. Benitez
received an 8 game suspension for his actions.
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<<  289 saves as well as a career ERA of 3.13. Stephen  >>


Well, those seem like pretty good closer stats to me.  He was also involved in a
couple of other yowser events that I might have mixed up when thinking of him as
being involved in the Mussina fight.  From Wikipedia:
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Benítez was signed in 1990 by the Baltimore Orioles as a free agent. Coming up
through the Orioles' farm system, he made his debut in 1994. While with the
Orioles, he initially struggled, collecting a 5.66 ERA in 1995 and faltering in
the postseason frequently. [1]. In the 1996 ALCS he yielded the infamous Jeffrey
Maier home run. By 1998 he started to show some of his future potential earning
a 3.82 ERA and 22 saves in 71 games. In 1997 Benitez had a break out year, as he
excelled in the set up role for Orioles' closer Randy Myers, forming a lethal
1-2 punch at the back end of the Orioles bullpen and propelling them to the A.L.
East pennant.

In 1998, as the fulltime closer for the Orioles his season was defined by an
incident that occurred in May at Yankee Stadium. WIth the Orioles clinging to a
5-4 8th inning lead, Benitez gave up a 3-run home run to Bernie Williams. After
allowing the home run, a clearly flustered and frustrated Benitez drilled the
next batter, Tino Martinez in the back and challenged the entire Yankees' bench
to a brawl. The Yankees' complied and Benitez took a hard blow from Darryl
Strawberry that knocked him back into the dugout, after narrowly escaping the
reach of enraged Yankees' reliever Graeme Lloyd. This was also the second time
Benitez hit Tino Martinez after allowing a home run, the previous time occurring
in 1995 at Oriole Park when Martinez was a member of the Mariners. Benitez
received an 8 game suspension for his actions.




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289 saves as well as a career ERA of 3.13.
 
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Subject: [BaltimoRavens] Re: Worst Balto signing ever?
To: BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
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I'll look him up in case you are right, but I don't recall his being all that
bad, especially if you accept his on-again-off-again abilities.




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I'll look him up in case you are right, but I don't recall his being all that
bad, especially if you accept his on-again-off-again abilities.




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> Benitrez and good closer should never be used in the same sentence. Ever.

Benitez was a good closer for at least part of his career, he just had maturity
issues.

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Subject: Re: [BaltimoRavens] Re: Worst Balto signing ever?
To: BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 1:08 PM


Benitrez and good closer should never be used in the same sentence. Ever.

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I'd rather have Case than Boller. Hell, I'd rather have Case than Glenn Davis.

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Subject: [BaltimoRavens] Re: Worst Balto signing ever?
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Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 1:04 PM




Wow.  Not bad.  Speaking of which, how 'bout Stoney Case.




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t was pretty cool, too.  Had something to do with hitting a batter, I think. 
On the baseball front, Benitez turned out to be a pretty good closer for quite a
few years, though most of them in the NL, mainly the Mets.  I'm not too sure
why we gotr rid of him, though I think we can safely assume that, as usual,  we
did not get a hell of a great return on the deal.
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> --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, sczepp@ wrote:
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> >  That was Alan Mills in the Seattle brawl, not Armando Benetiz. Benetiz did
not pop up up until 1997 when he gave up that grand slam in game 6 with 2 outs
in the 8th up 3-0. Benetiz was involved in a huge Yankee-Oriole brawl in or
around 1998 or 1999.
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> n't hurt in The Fight", became a generic snotty reply for denying anything at
all.   
> > >
> > > And then, of ocurse, was the 'Why Not' season.  One season after 0-21,
nobody could beat us.  A kid named Dave Johnson came out of nowhere.  He had
no fastball, no curveball, no changeup (or all changeups, depending upon how you
looked at it!).  Basically, no anything.  But if he wanted that ball to wind
up one inch nothwest of the plate, it would wind up one inch northwest of the
plate.  Location, location, location.  And a rookie closer named Gregg Olsen
would come in in the ninth and nothing throw curveballs that roll fall off a
table to the first two batters and then throw three seriously wicked fastballs
to get the last guy. 
> > >
> > > Well, that what it was like with Glenn Davis.  The funny thing is that he
wasn't even on the team for much of it.  Didn't matter; he karma was everywhere
in the Baltimore Metro area.  I know it sounds trite, but I don't know how else
to put it:  You had to live through those three or four years - roughly 1988 to
1993 - to believe it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > return. I dont consider Carr a blockbuster FA but Foxworth was paid big
bucks so he gets strong consideration but it is early in his Raven career.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, Gary M Gettier <liquidironrain@>
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> > > > > Glenn Davis. Anything else is child's play.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM, hbc_7840 <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does Boller count, even though he played here for seven years as a
draftee?
> > > > > > I know he was a draft pick, and I also know there were worse players
than he
> > > > > > on this earth (maybe) and certainly nobody tried harder and the
offense
> > > > > > around him generally stunk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But Kyle was exceptionally bad for an exceptionally long period of
time and
> > > > > > almost always had exceptionally bad results. He never even got
lucky. And
> > > > > > don't forget that he cost Billick his job.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroupscom>,
> > > > > > sczepp@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Belle was not a dud on the field, he put up #'s. How about Sid
Fernandez
> > > > > > with the Orioles? Scott Mitchell was worse then Gerbac but Gerbac
was not
> > > > > > god awful but his pride was really beat down, was a dumb call to
replace
> > > > > > Dilfer after winning the ring but who knows if they kept Holmes and
or Lewis
> > > > > > does not get hurt in 2002?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Glenn Davis, hands down. If it has to be a free agent signing
instead
> > > > > > of a trade, then I'll have to give it some thought. Dunno what Suggs
is
> > > > > > doing in there, but other than that, Joe's guys are not bad. Segui,
Belle,
> > > > > > and throw in various players the Oriole picked up during the
Flanagan years.
> > > > > > I'm tempted to name Elvis Grbak as a quality pick, but the reality
is that
> > > > > > he took us to the playoffs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I feel like I'm missing a big name, but it's just not coming to
mind
> > > > > > right now.
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > Dave Graham <outlaw_the_great@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > you on crack?  get the f out of here
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Benitrez and good closer should never be used in the same sentence. Ever.

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Wow.  Not bad.  Speaking of which, how 'bout Stoney Case.




--- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, "Steve James" <deafhearingdudeinmd@...>
wrote:
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> Kordell Stewart




t was pretty cool, too.  Had something to do with hitting a batter, I think.  On
the baseball front, Benitez turned out to be a pretty good closer for quite a
few years, though most of them in the NL, mainly the Mets.  I'm not too sure why
we gotr rid of him, though I think we can safely assume that, as usual,  we did
not get a hell of a great return on the deal.
>
>
>
>
> --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, sczepp@ wrote:
> >
> >  That was Alan Mills in the Seattle brawl, not Armando Benetiz. Benetiz did
not pop up up until 1997 when he gave up that grand slam in game 6 with 2 outs
in the 8th up 3-0. Benetiz was involved in a huge Yankee-Oriole brawl in or
around 1998 or 1999.
>
>
>
>
> n't hurt in The Fight", became a generic snotty reply for denying anything at
all.
> > >
> > > And then, of ocurse, was the 'Why Not' season.  One season after 0-21,
nobody could beat us.  A kid named Dave Johnson came out of nowhere.  He had no
fastball, no curveball, no changeup (or all changeups, depending upon how you
looked at it!).  Basically, no anything.  But if he wanted that ball to wind up
one inch nothwest of the plate, it would wind up one inch northwest of the
plate.  Location, location, location.  And a rookie closer named Gregg Olsen
would come in in the ninth and nothing throw curveballs that roll fall off a
table to the first two batters and then throw three seriously wicked fastballs
to get the last guy.
> > >
> > > Well, that what it was like with Glenn Davis.  The funny thing is that he
wasn't even on the team for much of it.  Didn't matter; he karma was everywhere
in the Baltimore Metro area.  I know it sounds trite, but I don't know how else
to put it:  You had to live through those three or four years - roughly 1988 to
1993 - to believe it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > return. I dont consider Carr a blockbuster FA but Foxworth was paid big
bucks so he gets strong consideration but it is early in his Raven career.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, Gary M Gettier <liquidironrain@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Glenn Davis. Anything else is child's play.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM, hbc_7840 <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does Boller count, even though he played here for seven years as a
draftee?
> > > > > > I know he was a draft pick, and I also know there were worse players
than he
> > > > > > on this earth (maybe) and certainly nobody tried harder and the
offense
> > > > > > around him generally stunk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But Kyle was exceptionally bad for an exceptionally long period of
time and
> > > > > > almost always had exceptionally bad results. He never even got
lucky. And
> > > > > > don't forget that he cost Billick his job.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroupscom>,
> > > > > > sczepp@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Belle was not a dud on the field, he put up #'s. How about Sid
Fernandez
> > > > > > with the Orioles? Scott Mitchell was worse then Gerbac but Gerbac
was not
> > > > > > god awful but his pride was really beat down, was a dumb call to
replace
> > > > > > Dilfer after winning the ring but who knows if they kept Holmes and
or Lewis
> > > > > > does not get hurt in 2002?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Glenn Davis, hands down. If it has to be a free agent signing
instead
> > > > > > of a trade, then I'll have to give it some thought. Dunno what Suggs
is
> > > > > > doing in there, but other than that, Joe's guys are not bad. Segui,
Belle,
> > > > > > and throw in various players the Oriole picked up during the
Flanagan years.
> > > > > > I'm tempted to name Elvis Grbak as a quality pick, but the reality
is that
> > > > > > he took us to the playoffs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I feel like I'm missing a big name, but it's just not coming to
mind
> > > > > > right now.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > Dave Graham <outlaw_the_great@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > you on crack?  get the f out of here
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > Albert Belle
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From: hbc_7840 <fang_guy@...>
To: <BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 02:15 PM
Subject: [BaltimoRavens] Re: Worst Balto signing ever?



Absolutely.   Alan Mills.  I stand corrected.  I confused him with Benitez
becasue of that other big fight, I guess.

And yes, the Benitez fight was pretty cool, too.  Had something to do with
hitting a batter, I think.  On the baseball front, Benitez turned out to be a
pretty good closer for quite a few years, though most of them in the NL, mainly
the Mets.  I'm not too sure why we gotr rid of him, though I think we can safely
assume that, as usual,  we did not get a hell of a great return on the deal.




--- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, sczepp@... wrote:
>
>  That was Alan Mills in the Seattle brawl, not Armando Benetiz. Benetiz did
not pop up up until 1997 when he gave up that grand slam in game 6 with 2 outs
in the 8th up 3-0. Benetiz was involved in a huge Yankee-Oriole brawl in or
around 1998 or 1999.




n't hurt in The Fight", became a generic snotty reply for denying anything at
all.
> >
> > And then, of ocurse, was the 'Why Not' season.  One season after 0-21,
nobody could beat us.  A kid named Dave Johnson came out of nowhere.  He had no
fastball, no curveball, no changeup (or all changeups, depending upon how you
looked at it!).  Basically, no anything.  But if he wanted that ball to wind up
one inch nothwest of the plate, it would wind up one inch northwest of the
plate.  Location, location, location.  And a rookie closer named Gregg Olsen
would come in in the ninth and nothing throw curveballs that roll fall off a
table to the first two batters and then throw three seriously wicked fastballs
to get the last guy.
> >
> > Well, that what it was like with Glenn Davis.  The funny thing is that he
wasn't even on the team for much of it.  Didn't matter; he karma was everywhere
in the Baltimore Metro area.  I know it sounds trite, but I don't know how else
to put it:  You had to live through those three or four years - roughly 1988 to
1993 - to believe it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > return. I dont consider Carr a blockbuster FA but Foxworth was paid big
bucks so he gets strong consideration but it is early in his Raven career.
> > >
> > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, Gary M Gettier <liquidironrain@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Glenn Davis. Anything else is child's play.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM, hbc_7840 <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Does Boller count, even though he played here for seven years as a
draftee?
> > > > > I know he was a draft pick, and I also know there were worse players
than he
> > > > > on this earth (maybe) and certainly nobody tried harder and the
offense
> > > > > around him generally stunk.
> > > > >
> > > > > But Kyle was exceptionally bad for an exceptionally long period of
time and
> > > > > almost always had exceptionally bad results. He never even got lucky.
And
> > > > > don't forget that he cost Billick his job.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com <BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroupscom>,
> > > > > sczepp@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Belle was not a dud on the field, he put up #'s. How about Sid
Fernandez
> > > > > with the Orioles? Scott Mitchell was worse then Gerbac but Gerbac was
not
> > > > > god awful but his pride was really beat down, was a dumb call to
replace
> > > > > Dilfer after winning the ring but who knows if they kept Holmes and or
Lewis
> > > > > does not get hurt in 2002?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Glenn Davis, hands down. If it has to be a free agent signing
instead
> > > > > of a trade, then I'll have to give it some thought. Dunno what Suggs
is
> > > > > doing in there, but other than that, Joe's guys are not bad. Segui,
Belle,
> > > > > and throw in various players the Oriole picked up during the Flanagan
years.
> > > > > I'm tempted to name Elvis Grbak as a quality pick, but the reality is
that
> > > > > he took us to the playoffs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I feel like I'm missing a big name, but it's just not coming to
mind
> > > > > right now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > Dave Graham <outlaw_the_great@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you on crack?  get the f out of here
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 9, 2009, 5:36 AM
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > David Segui
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Albert Belle
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Absolutely.   Alan Mills.  I stand corrected.  I confused him with Benitez
becasue of that other big fight, I guess.

And yes, the Benitez fight was pretty cool, too.  Had something to do with
hitting a batter, I think.  On the baseball front, Benitez turned out to be a
pretty good closer for quite a few years, though most of them in the NL, mainly
the Mets.  I'm not too sure why we gotr rid of him, though I think we can safely
assume that, as usual,  we did not get a hell of a great return on the deal.




--- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, sczepp@... wrote:
>
>  That was Alan Mills in the Seattle brawl, not Armando Benetiz. Benetiz did
not pop up up until 1997 when he gave up that grand slam in game 6 with 2 outs
in the 8th up 3-0. Benetiz was involved in a huge Yankee-Oriole brawl in or
around 1998 or 1999.




n't hurt in The Fight", became a generic snotty reply for denying anything at
all.
> >
> > And then, of ocurse, was the 'Why Not' season.  One season after 0-21,
nobody could beat us.  A kid named Dave Johnson came out of nowhere.  He had no
fastball, no curveball, no changeup (or all changeups, depending upon how you
looked at it!).  Basically, no anything.  But if he wanted that ball to wind up
one inch nothwest of the plate, it would wind up one inch northwest of the
plate.  Location, location, location.  And a rookie closer named Gregg Olsen
would come in in the ninth and nothing throw curveballs that roll fall off a
table to the first two batters and then throw three seriously wicked fastballs
to get the last guy.
> >
> > Well, that what it was like with Glenn Davis.  The funny thing is that he
wasn't even on the team for much of it.  Didn't matter; he karma was everywhere
in the Baltimore Metro area.  I know it sounds trite, but I don't know how else
to put it:  You had to live through those three or four years - roughly 1988 to
1993 - to believe it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > return. I dont consider Carr a blockbuster FA but Foxworth was paid big
bucks so he gets strong consideration but it is early in his Raven career.
> > >
> > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, Gary M Gettier <liquidironrain@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Glenn Davis. Anything else is child's play.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM, hbc_7840 <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Does Boller count, even though he played here for seven years as a
draftee?
> > > > > I know he was a draft pick, and I also know there were worse players
than he
> > > > > on this earth (maybe) and certainly nobody tried harder and the
offense
> > > > > around him generally stunk.
> > > > >
> > > > > But Kyle was exceptionally bad for an exceptionally long period of
time and
> > > > > almost always had exceptionally bad results. He never even got lucky.
And
> > > > > don't forget that he cost Billick his job.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > sczepp@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Belle was not a dud on the field, he put up #'s. How about Sid
Fernandez
> > > > > with the Orioles? Scott Mitchell was worse then Gerbac but Gerbac was
not
> > > > > god awful but his pride was really beat down, was a dumb call to
replace
> > > > > Dilfer after winning the ring but who knows if they kept Holmes and or
Lewis
> > > > > does not get hurt in 2002?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Glenn Davis, hands down. If it has to be a free agent signing
instead
> > > > > of a trade, then I'll have to give it some thought. Dunno what Suggs
is
> > > > > doing in there, but other than that, Joe's guys are not bad. Segui,
Belle,
> > > > > and throw in various players the Oriole picked up during the Flanagan
years.
> > > > > I'm tempted to name Elvis Grbak as a quality pick, but the reality is
that
> > > > > he took us to the playoffs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I feel like I'm missing a big name, but it's just not coming to
mind
> > > > > right now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > Dave Graham <outlaw_the_great@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you on crack?  get the f out of here
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 9, 2009, 5:36 AM
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That was Alan Mills in the Seattle brawl, not Armando Benetiz. Benetiz did not
pop up up until 1997 when he gave up that grand slam in game 6 with 2 outs in
the 8th up 3-0. Benetiz was involved in a huge Yankee-Oriole brawl in or around
1998 or 1999.

--- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Glenn Davis.  The name itself makes your neck hairs stand up.
>
> Traded for Curt Schilling, a legitimate Hall of Fame candidate who played for
Philly, Arizona, Boston.  And Steve Finley, probably no HOF candidate -
borderline at best - but fifteen solid years as an outstanding centerfielder
mainly with Houston and San Diego.  And Pete Harnisch, no HOF to be sure, but
five or six years solid years, mostly with Cincinnati, as a valuable and
successful member of the rotation.
>
> You can define this thing anyway you wish, but there is only one Glenn Davis. 
The guy who doubled home a run in his very first at-bat as an Oriole.  Many more
to come, we thought.  Especially after he hit his first home run ... one of 24,
which is not too bad, I must say, back in those days before steroids.  Not too
bad that is, until you realize that his total of 24 was for ALL THREE YEARS he
was here!!
>
> To be fair, he was not Albert Belle, who was more thrilled than anyone to have
gotten injured so that he could retire while getting paid.  Davis felt as bad or
worse than anyone else.  He kept trying, but the more he tried, the worse he
got.
>
> And when he wasn't bad, he was unlucky: Got hurt swinging the bat too hard on
a strikeout.  Got hurt in a barfight that he didn't start.  Got hurt getting
bopped on the head in the dugout by a hard line drive foul ball by one of his
own guys.
>
> You had to live through the three to five remarkable years of the Glenn Davis
era to understand the greatness of it.  It was like living through World War One
and trying to explain it to people: Nobody could understand what the hell you
were fighting for, but they knew that you had been through something special.
>
> Anyone in here remember 0-21?  Did you put your head lights on?  I did for
awhile, but it became clear soon enough to the whole town that we were all going
to have to buy new headlights if we kept it up an that it was not going to help
them win anyway.
>
> How about The Fight?  There were lots of fights but only one The Fight, and if
you saw it, you'll know the that particular one that  was it.  Everyone
remembers The Fight, but nobody remembers Glen Davis' four or five strikeouts
that game.  I'll bet every Seattle Mariner who had his head torn out of it's
roots and off it's shoulder by Armando Benitez certainly remembers it.  People
think he was a lunatic, but he simply knew what everyone knew - that Mike
Mussina had to be protected or the season was over that day.  And surely enough,
Moose was hurt that day despite Armando's best efforts and despite the club's
denials.  No way he was recovered until '95 at least.  "Yeah, and Mussina wasn't
hurt in The Fight", became a generic snotty reply for denying anything at all.
>
> And then, of ocurse, was the 'Why Not' season.  One season after 0-21, nobody
could beat us.  A kid named Dave Johnson came out of nowhere.  He had no
fastball, no curveball, no changeup (or all changeups, depending upon how you
looked at it!).  Basically, no anything.  But if he wanted that ball to wind up
one inch nothwest of the plate, it would wind up one inch northwest of the
plate.  Location, location, location.  And a rookie closer named Gregg Olsen
would come in in the ninth and nothing throw curveballs that roll fall off a
table to the first two batters and then throw three seriously wicked fastballs
to get the last guy.
>
> Well, that what it was like with Glenn Davis.  The funny thing is that he
wasn't even on the team for much of it.  Didn't matter; he karma was everywhere
in the Baltimore Metro area.  I know it sounds trite, but I don't know how else
to put it:  You had to live through those three or four years - roughly 1988 to
1993 - to believe it.
>
>
>
>
> return. I dont consider Carr a blockbuster FA but Foxworth was paid big bucks
so he gets strong consideration but it is early in his Raven career.
> >
> > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, Gary M Gettier <liquidironrain@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Glenn Davis. Anything else is child's play.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM, hbc_7840 <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does Boller count, even though he played here for seven years as a
draftee?
> > > > I know he was a draft pick, and I also know there were worse players
than he
> > > > on this earth (maybe) and certainly nobody tried harder and the offense
> > > > around him generally stunk.
> > > >
> > > > But Kyle was exceptionally bad for an exceptionally long period of time
and
> > > > almost always had exceptionally bad results. He never even got lucky.
And
> > > > don't forget that he cost Billick his job.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com <BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > sczepp@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Belle was not a dud on the field, he put up #'s. How about Sid
Fernandez
> > > > with the Orioles? Scott Mitchell was worse then Gerbac but Gerbac was
not
> > > > god awful but his pride was really beat down, was a dumb call to replace
> > > > Dilfer after winning the ring but who knows if they kept Holmes and or
Lewis
> > > > does not get hurt in 2002?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Glenn Davis, hands down. If it has to be a free agent signing
instead
> > > > of a trade, then I'll have to give it some thought. Dunno what Suggs is
> > > > doing in there, but other than that, Joe's guys are not bad. Segui,
Belle,
> > > > and throw in various players the Oriole picked up during the Flanagan
years.
> > > > I'm tempted to name Elvis Grbak as a quality pick, but the reality is
that
> > > > he took us to the playoffs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I feel like I'm missing a big name, but it's just not coming to mind
> > > > right now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Dave Graham <outlaw_the_great@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > you on crack?  get the f out of here
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Glenn Davis.  The name itself makes your neck hairs stand up.

Traded for Curt Schilling, a legitimate Hall of Fame candidate who played for
Philly, Arizona, Boston.  And Steve Finley, probably no HOF candidate -
borderline at best - but fifteen solid years as an outstanding centerfielder
mainly with Houston and San Diego.  And Pete Harnisch, no HOF to be sure, but
five or six years solid years, mostly with Cincinnati, as a valuable and
successful member of the rotation.

You can define this thing anyway you wish, but there is only one Glenn Davis. 
The guy who doubled home a run in his very first at-bat as an Oriole.  Many more
to come, we thought.  Especially after he hit his first home run ... one of 24,
which is not too bad, I must say, back in those days before steroids.  Not too
bad that is, until you realize that his total of 24 was for ALL THREE YEARS he
was here!!

To be fair, he was not Albert Belle, who was more thrilled than anyone to have
gotten injured so that he could retire while getting paid.  Davis felt as bad or
worse than anyone else.  He kept trying, but the more he tried, the worse he
got.

And when he wasn't bad, he was unlucky: Got hurt swinging the bat too hard on a
strikeout.  Got hurt in a barfight that he didn't start.  Got hurt getting
bopped on the head in the dugout by a hard line drive foul ball by one of his
own guys.

You had to live through the three to five remarkable years of the Glenn Davis
era to understand the greatness of it.  It was like living through World War One
and trying to explain it to people: Nobody could understand what the hell you
were fighting for, but they knew that you had been through something special.

Anyone in here remember 0-21?  Did you put your head lights on?  I did for
awhile, but it became clear soon enough to the whole town that we were all going
to have to buy new headlights if we kept it up an that it was not going to help
them win anyway.

How about The Fight?  There were lots of fights but only one The Fight, and if
you saw it, you'll know the that particular one that  was it.  Everyone
remembers The Fight, but nobody remembers Glen Davis' four or five strikeouts
that game.  I'll bet every Seattle Mariner who had his head torn out of it's
roots and off it's shoulder by Armando Benitez certainly remembers it.  People
think he was a lunatic, but he simply knew what everyone knew - that Mike
Mussina had to be protected or the season was over that day.  And surely enough,
Moose was hurt that day despite Armando's best efforts and despite the club's
denials.  No way he was recovered until '95 at least.  "Yeah, and Mussina wasn't
hurt in The Fight", became a generic snotty reply for denying anything at all.

And then, of ocurse, was the 'Why Not' season.  One season after 0-21, nobody
could beat us.  A kid named Dave Johnson came out of nowhere.  He had no
fastball, no curveball, no changeup (or all changeups, depending upon how you
looked at it!).  Basically, no anything.  But if he wanted that ball to wind up
one inch nothwest of the plate, it would wind up one inch northwest of the
plate.  Location, location, location.  And a rookie closer named Gregg Olsen
would come in in the ninth and nothing throw curveballs that roll fall off a
table to the first two batters and then throw three seriously wicked fastballs
to get the last guy.

Well, that what it was like with Glenn Davis.  The funny thing is that he wasn't
even on the team for much of it.  Didn't matter; he karma was everywhere in the
Baltimore Metro area.  I know it sounds trite, but I don't know how else to put
it:  You had to live through those three or four years - roughly 1988 to 1993 -
to believe it.




return. I dont consider Carr a blockbuster FA but Foxworth was paid big bucks so
he gets strong consideration but it is early in his Raven career.
>
> --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, Gary M Gettier <liquidironrain@> wrote:
> >
> > Glenn Davis. Anything else is child's play.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM, hbc_7840 <fang_guy@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does Boller count, even though he played here for seven years as a
draftee?
> > > I know he was a draft pick, and I also know there were worse players than
he
> > > on this earth (maybe) and certainly nobody tried harder and the offense
> > > around him generally stunk.
> > >
> > > But Kyle was exceptionally bad for an exceptionally long period of time
and
> > > almost always had exceptionally bad results. He never even got lucky. And
> > > don't forget that he cost Billick his job.
> > >
> > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com <BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > sczepp@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Belle was not a dud on the field, he put up #'s. How about Sid Fernandez
> > > with the Orioles? Scott Mitchell was worse then Gerbac but Gerbac was not
> > > god awful but his pride was really beat down, was a dumb call to replace
> > > Dilfer after winning the ring but who knows if they kept Holmes and or
Lewis
> > > does not get hurt in 2002?
> > > >
> > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com <BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Glenn Davis, hands down. If it has to be a free agent signing instead
> > > of a trade, then I'll have to give it some thought. Dunno what Suggs is
> > > doing in there, but other than that, Joe's guys are not bad. Segui, Belle,
> > > and throw in various players the Oriole picked up during the Flanagan
years.
> > > I'm tempted to name Elvis Grbak as a quality pick, but the reality is that
> > > he took us to the playoffs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel like I'm missing a big name, but it's just not coming to mind
> > > right now.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Dave Graham <outlaw_the_great@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you on crack?  get the f out of here
> > > > >
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Davis was a trade folks....Most of the FA signing in Bmore have pretty much paid
a return. I dont consider Carr a blockbuster FA but Foxworth was paid big bucks
so he gets strong consideration but it is early in his Raven career.

--- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, Gary M Gettier <liquidironrain@...> wrote:
>
> Glenn Davis. Anything else is child's play.
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM, hbc_7840 <fang_guy@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does Boller count, even though he played here for seven years as a draftee?
> > I know he was a draft pick, and I also know there were worse players than he
> > on this earth (maybe) and certainly nobody tried harder and the offense
> > around him generally stunk.
> >
> > But Kyle was exceptionally bad for an exceptionally long period of time and
> > almost always had exceptionally bad results. He never even got lucky. And
> > don't forget that he cost Billick his job.
> >
> > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com <BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > sczepp@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Belle was not a dud on the field, he put up #'s. How about Sid Fernandez
> > with the Orioles? Scott Mitchell was worse then Gerbac but Gerbac was not
> > god awful but his pride was really beat down, was a dumb call to replace
> > Dilfer after winning the ring but who knows if they kept Holmes and or Lewis
> > does not get hurt in 2002?
> > >
> > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com <BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Glenn Davis, hands down. If it has to be a free agent signing instead
> > of a trade, then I'll have to give it some thought. Dunno what Suggs is
> > doing in there, but other than that, Joe's guys are not bad. Segui, Belle,
> > and throw in various players the Oriole picked up during the Flanagan years.
> > I'm tempted to name Elvis Grbak as a quality pick, but the reality is that
> > he took us to the playoffs.
> > > >
> > > > I feel like I'm missing a big name, but it's just not coming to mind
> > right now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com <BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Dave Graham <outlaw_the_great@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > you on crack?  get the f out of here
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > 9, 2009, 5:36 AM
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Glenn Davis. Anything else is child's play.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM, hbc_7840 <fang_guy@...> wrote:

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> Does Boller count, even though he played here for seven years as a draftee?
> I know he was a draft pick, and I also know there were worse players than he
> on this earth (maybe) and certainly nobody tried harder and the offense
> around him generally stunk.
>
> But Kyle was exceptionally bad for an exceptionally long period of time and
> almost always had exceptionally bad results. He never even got lucky. And
> don't forget that he cost Billick his job.
>
> --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com <BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> sczepp@... wrote:
> >
> > Belle was not a dud on the field, he put up #'s. How about Sid Fernandez
> with the Orioles? Scott Mitchell was worse then Gerbac but Gerbac was not
> god awful but his pride was really beat down, was a dumb call to replace
> Dilfer after winning the ring but who knows if they kept Holmes and or Lewis
> does not get hurt in 2002?
> >
> > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com <BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Glenn Davis, hands down. If it has to be a free agent signing instead
> of a trade, then I'll have to give it some thought. Dunno what Suggs is
> doing in there, but other than that, Joe's guys are not bad. Segui, Belle,
> and throw in various players the Oriole picked up during the Flanagan years.
> I'm tempted to name Elvis Grbak as a quality pick, but the reality is that
> he took us to the playoffs.
> > >
> > > I feel like I'm missing a big name, but it's just not coming to mind
> right now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com <BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Dave Graham <outlaw_the_great@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > you on crack?  get the f out of here
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If it was Suggs of 3 or 4 years ago,I'd be fine with it. But there's no way this
guy should be the highest paid LB in the game and i don't think he's worth 60
some million bucks,the way he's playing now.The big difference between this year
and last year is the absense of Scott and Leonard. Landry isn't a hitter and
Scott just had a nose for the ball.

I knew fang would bring up Glenn Davis even though he was traded for lol.

--- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, "joes06" <kingjoey@...> wrote:
>
> Suggs
> David Segui
> Albert Belle
> Other?
>

Does Boller count, even though he played here for seven years as a draftee?  I
know he was a draft pick, and I also know there were worse players than he on
this earth (maybe) and certainly nobody tried harder and the offense around him
generally stunk.

But Kyle  was exceptionally bad for an exceptionally long period of time and
almost always had exceptionally bad results.  He never even got lucky.  And
don't forget that he cost Billick his job.



--- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, sczepp@... wrote:
>
> Belle was not a dud on the field, he put up #'s. How about Sid Fernandez with
the Orioles? Scott Mitchell was worse then Gerbac but Gerbac was not god awful
but his pride was really beat down, was a dumb call to replace Dilfer after
winning the ring but who knows if they kept Holmes and or Lewis does not get
hurt in 2002?
>
> --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Glenn Davis, hands down.  If it has to be a free agent signing instead of a
trade, then I'll have to give it some thought.  Dunno what Suggs is doing in
there, but other than that, Joe's guys are not bad.  Segui, Belle, and throw in
various players the Oriole picked up during the Flanagan years.  I'm tempted to
name Elvis Grbak as a quality pick, but the reality is that he took us to the
playoffs.
> >
> > I feel like I'm missing a big name, but it's just not coming to mind right
now.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, Dave Graham <outlaw_the_great@> wrote:
> > >
> > > you on crack?  get the f out of here
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  9, 2009, 5:36 AM
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Belle was not a dud on the field, he put up #'s. How about Sid Fernandez with
the Orioles? Scott Mitchell was worse then Gerbac but Gerbac was not god awful
but his pride was really beat down, was a dumb call to replace Dilfer after
winning the ring but who knows if they kept Holmes and or Lewis does not get
hurt in 2002?

--- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Glenn Davis, hands down.  If it has to be a free agent signing instead of a
trade, then I'll have to give it some thought.  Dunno what Suggs is doing in
there, but other than that, Joe's guys are not bad.  Segui, Belle, and throw in
various players the Oriole picked up during the Flanagan years.  I'm tempted to
name Elvis Grbak as a quality pick, but the reality is that he took us to the
playoffs.
>
> I feel like I'm missing a big name, but it's just not coming to mind right
now.
>
>
>
>
> --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, Dave Graham <outlaw_the_great@> wrote:
> >
> > you on crack?  get the f out of here
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Glenn Davis, hands down.  If it has to be a free agent signing instead of a
trade, then I'll have to give it some thought.  Dunno what Suggs is doing in
there, but other than that, Joe's guys are not bad.  Segui, Belle, and throw in
various players the Oriole picked up during the Flanagan years.  I'm tempted to
name Elvis Grbak as a quality pick, but the reality is that he took us to the
playoffs.

I feel like I'm missing a big name, but it's just not coming to mind right now.




--- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, Dave Graham <outlaw_the_great@...> wrote:
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> you on crack?  get the f out of here




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Thwe beauty of Searcy is that he did not fail us on the field, as he never made
it to the field.  Not one play.  But he made sure to stay on the IR so that we
had to pay him.




--- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, sczepp@... wrote:
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you on crack?  get the f out of here

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, joes06 <kingjoey@...> wrote:

From: joes06 <kingjoey@...>
Subject: [BaltimoRavens] Worst Balto signing ever?
To: BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:36 AM







 









       Suggs

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Albert Belle

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Ravens signed an OT a few seasons back, maybe in 2002? Leon Searcy.

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> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:36 AM
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Boller.

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, joes06 <kingjoey@...> wrote:


From: joes06 <kingjoey@...>
Subject: [BaltimoRavens] Worst Balto signing ever?
To: BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:36 AM


Suggs
David Segui
Albert Belle
Other?



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Ed had the play of the game, stripping Ocho after that huge first down they
got. That kept them in the game. Only to have Hooshka miss another important
field goal.


On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Econ <scat19@...> wrote:

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> How many turnover has Reed cost this year, but he is past his prime? Also,
> the guy had a penalty, but it was after the play so it doesn't affect
> possession. Flacco held on to the ball too long and missed the deep throw to
> Clayton causing that interception. Flacco had a bad day, it wasn't about the
> time. If he was confident, he would have thrown a lot earlier, but he was
> afraid of turning the ball over so he kept looking for the wide open guy
> thus dumped the ball off or got sacked.
>
> Econ
>
> ________________________________
> From: joes06 <kingjoey@... <kingjoey%40comcast.net>>
> To: BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com <BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 5:33:47 AM
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> Subject: [BaltimoRavens] Re: Q1 - 0-14
>
> Last year's first half wasn't all that good for the Ravens either but they
> got a lot of breaks in the second half when they caught fire.They're not
> getting any breaks this year. The one guy threw his helmet on the field
> yesterday and didn't get called. Mason threw his helmet on the sidelines and
> got a penalty. They showed the one gy basically tackled Ray Lewis and no
> call but called Gaither on a similar holding.Missing the FG took the starch
> out of the team.I'm trying to decide which off season move was the worst.I
> like Oher's potential but he's had a ton of penalties this year and gets
> beat off the line quite a big. Kenny Britt could have been the big reciever
> we've needed for year. The n you have letting Stover go. the new guys
> doesn't have it between the ears to handle the presure. His kicks have too
> much hook on them.Then you give the bigest LB contract in history to an out
> of shape Suggs who's probably just getting in from the night before.This
> guys
> closing speed on the QB or a runner has slowed to a crawl.Ray,Pryce and
> Reed are well past their primes.Still it should have been a winnable game
> since cincy only scored 17 points.Flacco had no time at all in the pocket.
>
> --- In BaltimoRavens@ yahoogroups. com, "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@.. .> wrote:
> >
> > After tomorrow night, we will be two games in back of both Cincinnati and
> Pittsburgh. That means we not only cannot win the AFC North title, but also
> we cannot win the wildcard, which will now come through our division.
> >
> > This is amazing. Do you realize that we can no longer make the
> post-season?
> >
>
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How many turnover has Reed cost this year, but he is past his prime?  Also, the
guy had a penalty, but it was after the play so it doesn't affect possession. 
Flacco held on to the ball too long and missed the deep throw to Clayton causing
that interception.  Flacco had a bad day, it wasn't about the time.  If he was
confident, he would have thrown a lot earlier, but he was afraid of turning the
ball over so he kept looking for the wide open guy thus dumped the ball off or
got sacked.


Econ




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From: joes06 <kingjoey@...>
To: BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 5:33:47 AM
Subject: [BaltimoRavens] Re: Q1 - 0-14


Last year's first half wasn't all that good for the Ravens either but they got a
lot of breaks in the second half when they caught fire.They're not getting any
breaks this year. The one guy threw his helmet on the field yesterday and didn't
get called. Mason threw his helmet on the sidelines and got a penalty. They
showed the one gy basically tackled Ray Lewis and no call but called Gaither on
a similar holding.Missing the FG took the starch out of the team.I'm trying to
decide which off season move was the worst.I like Oher's potential but he's had
a ton of penalties this year and gets beat off the line quite a big. Kenny Britt
could have been the big reciever we've needed for year. The n you have letting
Stover go. the new guys doesn't have it between the ears to handle the presure.
His kicks have too much hook on them.Then you give the bigest LB contract in
history to an out of shape Suggs who's probably just getting in from the night
before.This guys
  closing speed on the QB or a runner has slowed to a crawl.Ray,Pryce and Reed
are well past their primes.Still it should have been a winnable game since cincy
only scored 17 points.Flacco had no time at all in the pocket.

--- In BaltimoRavens@ yahoogroups. com, "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@.. .> wrote:
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> After tomorrow night, we will be two games in back of both Cincinnati and
Pittsburgh.  That means we not only cannot win the AFC North title, but also we
cannot win the wildcard, which will now come through our division.
>
> This is amazing.  Do you realize that we can no longer make the post-season?
>







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If you are referring to the play near the end of the game, the Bengals
player *did* get flagged for throwing his helmet, but it was after the play
ended, so the Bengals kept the ball and had to move back 15 yards.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:33 AM, joes06 <kingjoey@...> wrote:

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>
> Last year's first half wasn't all that good for the Ravens either but they
> got a lot of breaks in the second half when they caught fire.They're not
> getting any breaks this year. The one guy threw his helmet on the field
> yesterday and didn't get called. Mason threw his helmet on the sidelines and
> got a penalty. They showed the one gy basically tackled Ray Lewis and no
> call but called Gaither on a similar holding.Missing the FG took the starch
> out of the team.I'm trying to decide which off season move was the worst.I
> like Oher's potential but he's had a ton of penalties this year and gets
> beat off the line quite a big. Kenny Britt could have been the big reciever
> we've needed for year. The n you have letting Stover go. the new guys
> doesn't have it between the ears to handle the presure. His kicks have too
> much hook on them.Then you give the bigest LB contract in history to an out
> of shape Suggs who's probably just getting in from the night before.This
> guys closing speed on the QB or a runner has slowed to a crawl.Ray,Pryce and
> Reed are well past their primes.Still it should have been a winnable game
> since cincy only scored 17 points.Flacco had no time at all in the pocket.
>
>
> --- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com <BaltimoRavens%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
> >
> > After tomorrow night, we will be two games in back of both Cincinnati and
> Pittsburgh. That means we not only cannot win the AFC North title, but also
> we cannot win the wildcard, which will now come through our division.
> >
> > This is amazing. Do you realize that we can no longer make the
> post-season?
> >
>
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Suggs?  You are crazy

On Nov 9, 2009 5:36 AM, "joes06" <kingjoey@...> wrote:



Suggs
David Segui
Albert Belle
Other?




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Suggs
David Segui
Albert Belle
Other?

Last year's first half wasn't all that good for the Ravens either but they got a
lot of breaks in the second half when they caught fire.They're not getting any
breaks this year. The one guy threw his helmet on the field yesterday and didn't
get called. Mason threw his helmet on the sidelines and got a penalty. They
showed the one gy basically tackled Ray Lewis and no call but called Gaither on
a similar holding.Missing the FG took the starch out of the team.I'm trying to
decide which off season move was the worst.I like Oher's potential but he's had
a ton of penalties this year and gets beat off the line quite a big. Kenny Britt
could have been the big reciever we've needed for year. The n you have letting
Stover go. the new guys doesn't have it between the ears to handle the presure.
His kicks have too much hook on them.Then you give the bigest LB contract in
history to an out of shape Suggs who's probably just getting in from the night
before.This guys closing speed on the QB or a runner has slowed to a
crawl.Ray,Pryce and Reed are well past their primes.Still it should have been a
winnable game since cincy only scored 17 points.Flacco had no time at all in the
pocket.

--- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
>
> After tomorrow night, we will be two games in back of both Cincinnati and
Pittsburgh.  That means we not only cannot win the AFC North title, but also we
cannot win the wildcard, which will now come through our division.
>
> This is amazing.  Do you realize that we can no longer make the post-season?
>

Fang is right, they needed to split with Cincy or have swept NE and Minn and
they did not do it. The offense is to blah and nothing going on with play
calling.

--- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
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> Who knows, who caes?  Is there any way to the playoffs without beating
Pittsburgh twice?  Even if we did, it would take a Cincy collapse, and they are
too good and too well-coached for that to happen.
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> -- In BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com, Econ <scat19@> wrote:
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> > From: "sczepp@" <sczepp@>
> > To: BaltimoRavens@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 4:32:21 PM
> > Subject: [BaltimoRavens] Re: Q1 - 0-14
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> > D-coach, what about the O-coach, D only gave up 17 and adjusted then there
is the kicker.....
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> > --- In BaltimoRavens@ yahoogroups. com, "joes06" <kingjoey@ .> wrote:
> > >
> > > The Bengals are just better prepared and more energized than the
Ravens.The Ravens def. corinator has to go after the season. Can't believe they
didn't try to get Dick Nolan back.This is the worse game I'ves seen them play
since the Giants last year.
> > >
> > > --- In BaltimoRavens@ yahoogroups. com, "hbc_7840" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > After tomorrow night, we will be two games in back of both Cincinnati
and Pittsburgh.  That means we not only cannot win the AFC North title, but also
we cannot win the wildcard, which will now come through our division.
> > > >
> > > > This is amazing.  Do you realize that we can no longer make the
post-season?
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