I saw this today that he needs to play 140 games in the field this
season for a $4.5 mil option to kick in. He's a few games short of it
and has been told that they want to get Gibbons some time at 1B.
Seems that Palmiero is pissed but isn't saying much about it.
If I'd have heard about this in April, I wouldn't have given him much
chance at 140, what do you all think? Personally I think he's just
about done anyway, the O's would be stupid to let him play what he
needs to get to 140 now, he ain't worth $$.5 mil.
Besides didn't they reaquire him to be predominatly a DH? 140 of 162
in the field was pretty much a stretch.

Julio sucks.  I have had enough of Julio for one lifetime.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Stephen James
<stephenjames1979@y...> wrote:
> Hey guys, what do you make of the poor showing of sportsmanship
that Julio made when he almost tore a guy's head off after he gave up
the game winning homerun to the previous guy?
>
>
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Royals 26, Tigers 5, 1st game

Preview - Box Score - Recap

September 9, 2004

AP - Sep 9, 3:58 pm EDT
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DETROIT (AP) -- Joe Randa wore himself out.

He had six hits and tied a major league record by scoring six times
Thursday, helping the Kansas City Royals break a club mark for runs
in a 26-5 rout of the Detroit Tigers in the first game of a
doubleheader.

Randa had five singles and a double, but he wasn't in the starting
lineup for the second game.

``He's awfully tired from running the bases,'' Royals manager Tony
Pena cracked.

Randa also had two RBIs in a game in which the Royals matched an
American League record by putting 13 straight runners on base in an
11-run third inning. It was the most runs allowed by the Tigers in a
nine-inning game -- Detroit allowed 24 runs twice. Randa also became
the first AL player to have six hit and six runs in the same nine-
inning game.

``I'm just glad we can get right out there for the second game,''
said Rondell White, who homered for Detroit. ``After a game like
that, you want to be back on the field as fast as you can.''


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The Royals had 26 hits against five Tigers pitchers. Angel Berroa
had a three-run homer and career-high five RBIs, and Alberto
Castillo knocked in a career-best four runs.

Zack Greinke (8-9) got the win, allowing three runs in five innings
as the Royals improved to 11-7 against the Tigers this season.

``They've got a real good team, but we play our best baseball
against them,'' Pena said.

Jason Johnson (8-13) dropped to 0-5 in his last seven starts,
allowing 11 runs -- nine earned -- in 2 1/3 innings.

Kevin Seitzer was the last Kansas City player with six hits in a
game, on Aug. 2, 1987, and Shawn Green was the last major leaguer to
score six times, on May 23, 2002. Green also had six hits in that
game.

The previous Royals' record for runs scored in a game was 23,
against Minnesota on April 6, 1974. The major league record for a
nine-inning game is 29 runs by the Boston Red Sox against St. Louis
on June 8, 1950. The mark was tied by the White Sox against Kansas
City on April 23, 1955.

Ten days ago, the New York Yankees lost to Cleveland 22-0 for the
worst defeat in team history.


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Kansas City took a 4-0 lead in the first, then made it 6-0 in the
second on Berroa's RBI triple and a run-scoring wild pitch. The
Tigers made it 6-2 in the bottom half on Craig Monroe's 15th homer,
but the Royals put the game away in the third with one of its
biggest innings.

Matt Stairs led off with a groundout, but the next 13 batters
combined for three walks, two doubles and eight singles against
three pitchers.

By the time Ruben Gotay popped out to end the streak, the Royals had
scored 11 runs, one short of a team record, and led 17-2. All nine
Royals scored at least once in the inning.

The inning also featured the inauspicious major league debut of
Tigers' reliever Lino Urdaneta. He came in for Johnson and faced six
batters, allowing six runs on five hits and a walk.

Kansas City got a walk and four singles in the fourth to increase
the margin to 19-2 before White hit a solo homer in the bottom of
the inning.

The Royals added five more runs in the sixth, including their first
homer of the game, a three-run shot by Berroa.

That doesnt boehter me. Every closer snaps from time to time. Even
the best of them do that. Julio is still young I would not want to
see him wind up in the wrong uniform. I think he will really turn it
on in a couple of years. Ryan proved to me he cant close and he
loves his role.
  Speaking of Armando he is doing a fine job down in Florida.

  --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Stephen James
<stephenjames1979@y...> wrote:
> Hey guys, what do you make of the poor showing of sportsmanship
that Julio made when he almost tore a guy's head off after he gave
up the game winning homerun to the previous guy?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I kind of doubt it. Unless the O's trade him and decide to take in another
closer or put Ryan in as the closer role and get a new leftie reliever. Julio
has been decent for us this year though, I say keep him for now but he needs to
get his ass in gear.

joes06 <joes06@...> wrote:Looks like Julio is just another head case like
Armando Benitez.Bet he's gone in the off season..



--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Stephen James <stephenjames1979@y...>
wrote:
> Hey guys, what do you make of the poor showing of sportsmanship that Julio
made when he almost tore a guy's head off after he gave up the game winning
homerun to the previous guy?
>
>
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Looks like Julio is just another head case like Armando Benitez.Bet he's gone in
the off season..



--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Stephen James <stephenjames1979@y...>
wrote:
> Hey guys, what do you make of the poor showing of sportsmanship that Julio
made when he almost tore a guy's head off after he gave up the game winning
homerun to the previous guy?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey guys, what do you make of the poor showing of sportsmanship that Julio made
when he almost tore a guy's head off after he gave up the game winning homerun
to the previous guy?


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I don't want to see them overpay just because they have the money.
Milton's ok it just depends on his price. I'd like to see a trade for a Brad
Radke who's a proven workhorse.

Mags and Beltran would be nice too. I really don't see Raffy coming back here
next year and I think Gibbons will be traded and Matos if we get Beltran.

The guy with the highest trade value is probably Mora and they might be willing
to move him because of his age.

It's really hard to say what's going to put them at the next level/ I'd say 2
proven hitters and 2 starters.If they sign a #1 and 2 Lopez would then become
good trade bait.

I just don't have that much faith in Beattiegan.

Hey has anybody noticed the tank job going on at Cleveland..I guess Hargrove's
pulling the strings there now lol


--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Stephen James <stephenjames1979@y...>
wrote:
> Hey guys, Pete said that he is willing to spend major dough for the free
agency and we could spend as much as $50 million on the free agency. With that
much bankroll, who would you make an attempt for in the free agency and what
positions do you think will be worked on?
>
> Starting Pitching:
>
> 1. Eric Milton- He's a left handed starter who's a definate number one
starter. Although his ERA is high, the Phillie's infield doesn't have much
defense which causes the ERA to fluctuate. Also, he's got a heck of a sinkerball
which will cause more groundouts and strikeouts.
>
> 2. Odalis Perez- Another leftie who is not an ace but a definate number 2
starter who could become a potential ace someday. He's only 27 and could be a
very good investment for the O's rotation.
>
> 3. Matt Clement- Not an ace, but a possible number 2 workhorse that can eat up
a lot of innings and give the relievers more save opportunities in close games.
>
> Batting:
>
> 1. Carlos Beltran- One of the best hitters available on the market who is only
27 years old. Many people are saying that the Yankers are a shoo-in to get him
but with the extra bank, we should definately be able to compete for him. Fast,
strong, and hits the hell out of the ball, a great investment.
>
> 2. Magglio Ordonez- If the team decides to move Raphael to the DH role, then
Gibbons will most likely go to first. Maggs would power up the lineup some and
since he was hurt this year, he could come cheap.
>
> Anyways, these are my thoughts. What do you guys think?
>
>
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Hey guys, Pete said that he is willing to spend major dough for the free agency
and we could spend as much as $50 million on the free agency. With that much
bankroll, who would you make an attempt for in the free agency and what
positions do you think will be worked on?

Starting Pitching:

1. Eric Milton- He's a left handed starter who's a definate number one starter.
Although his ERA is high, the Phillie's infield doesn't have much defense which
causes the ERA to fluctuate. Also, he's got a heck of a sinkerball which will
cause more groundouts and strikeouts.

2. Odalis Perez- Another leftie who is not an ace but a definate number 2
starter who could become a potential ace someday. He's only 27 and could be a
very good investment for the O's rotation.

3. Matt Clement- Not an ace, but a possible number 2 workhorse that can eat up a
lot of innings and give the relievers more save opportunities in close games.

Batting:

1. Carlos Beltran- One of the best hitters available on the market who is only
27 years old. Many people are saying that the Yankers are a shoo-in to get him
but with the extra bank, we should definately be able to compete for him. Fast,
strong, and hits the hell out of the ball, a great investment.

2. Magglio Ordonez- If the team decides to move Raphael to the DH role, then
Gibbons will most likely go to first. Maggs would power up the lineup some and
since he was hurt this year, he could come cheap.

Anyways, these are my thoughts. What do you guys think?


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Here's a more complete free agent list with the player's age next season.

2005 COMPLETE FREE AGENTS LIST:

RIGHT-HANDED SPs:
Carl Pavano, 29
Jaret Wright, 29
Kevin Millwood, 30
Kris Benson, 30
Matt Clement, 31
Russ Ortiz, 31
Matt Morris, 31
Derek Lowe, 31
Paul Wilson, 31
Esteban Loaiza, 33
Brad Radke, 32
Aaron Sele, 34
Pedro Martinez, 34
Jon Lieber, 34*
Hideo Nomo, 36
Roger Clemens, 42

LEFT-HANDED SPs:
Odalis Perez, 27
Eric Milton, 30
Shawn Estes, 32
Al Leiter, 39*
David Wells, 42

RELIEF PITCHERS:
Ugueth Urbina, 31
Armando Benitez, 32
Troy Percival, 35
Trevor Hoffman, 37

CATCHERS:
Jason Varitek, 33
Mike Matheny, 33
Henry Blanco, 33
Damian Miller, 35

FIRST BASE:
Carlos Delgado, 32
Richie Sexson, 30
J.T. Snow, 37
Tino Martinez, 37
Brad Fullmer, 30
Rafael Palmeiro, 40*

SECOND BASE:
Placido Polanco, 29
Mark Grudzielanek, 30
Todd Walker, 31
Pokey Reese, 31
Jeff Kent, 37

THIRD BASE:
Adrian Beltre, 26
Troy Glaus, 28
Mike Lowell, 31 *
Corey Koskie, 31
Joe Randa, 35
Vinny Castilla, 37

SHORTSTOP:
Cristian Guzman, 27
Alex Gonzalez, 28
Edgar Renteria, 29
Orlando Cabrera, 30
Pokey Reese, 31
Nomar Garciaparra, 32
Craig Counsell, 34
Jose Valentin, 35
Omar Vizquel, 37

OUTFIELD:
Carlos Beltran, 28
J.D. Drew, 29
Richard Hidalgo, 29
Frank Catalanotto, 30
Magglio Ordonez, 31
Jermaine Dye, 31
Danny Bautista, 32
Carl Everett, 33 *
Jeromy Burnitz, 35
Moises Alou, 38

********************************************

*Indicates possible team/player option

-Players listed in order of descending age




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I don't know what I want more--- the O's to beat the Sox, or the Sox to beat the
O's, thus increasing the likelihood that the Yankers might not make the
playoffs.

mikemartin48 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:The Yankees are chickens**t.
Spineless Bud Selig actually stood up
and denied their protest, so it'll be made up. The Yankees want to
play it Oct 4, don't bet on that.
I hope the Bosox catch them, only 2 1/2 back but they have to face
them O's, who've owned them this year.



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The Yankees are chickens**t. Spineless Bud Selig actually stood up
and denied their protest, so it'll be made up. The Yankees want to
play it Oct 4, don't bet on that.
I hope the Bosox catch them, only 2 1/2 back but they have to face
them O's, who've owned them this year.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Stephen James
<stephenjames1979@y...> wrote:
> To At Home Plate: I've got a poll for this issue if you want to
vote on it!
>
> To Orioles: Anytime the Yankers are ticked off, I know you just
love it!
>
> Yankees ask for forfeit as Devil Rays fail to arrive on timeBy
RONALD BLUM, AP Sports Writer
> September 6, 2004
> NEW YORK (AP) -- The New York Yankees asked the commissioner's
office to award them a forfeit over Tampa Bay after the Devil Rays
failed to arrive in time for the scheduled start Monday because of
travel problems in Florida due to Hurricane Frances.
> The doubleheader was changed to a single game and the start time,
pushed back Sunday from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m., was reset for 7 p.m. The
Devil Rays, who reported to Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg at 8
a.m., left the ballpark at 1:05 p.m., departed Tampa International
Airport at 2:40 p.m., arrived at LaGuardia Airport at 5:25 p.m. and
pulled up to Yankee Stadium in two buses at 6:05 p.m.
> ``The rule states that if your team is here and ready to play, and
the other team isn't here and not ready to play, there should be a
forfeit, and we believe there should be a forfeit,'' Yankees
president Randy Levine said.
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> ``There are no plans to reschedule any games until this issue is
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> Levine said the commissioner's office had been told by the Devil
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Levine called for an investigation by baseball, and said that if the
facts as the Yankees understood them were true, the game should be
forfeited. Alternatively, Levine said the game should be rescheduled
for Oct. 4 -- the day after the regular season is scheduled to end --
if it's necessary to decide a postseason race.
> ``Get everything down in print as you will. I have no comment.''
Tampa Bay owner Vince Naimoli said.
> A forfeit didn't appear to be likely.
> ``Given the stage of the season we are in, and the exciting pennant
races, it is critical that we do everything to decide the
championship on the field,'' commissioner Bud Selig said in a
statement.
> Tampa Bay's home games against Detroit on Saturday and Sunday were
postponed, and the Tigers returned home after Friday night's games.
> ``There were plenty of opportunities to get out of Tampa on
Saturday. The airports were open until 3 or 4 o'clock.'' Levine said.
> Devil Rays spokesman Rick Vaughn said the Devil Rays had never
intended to leave before Monday.
> ``The only thing that entered our mind was being with our families
during the hurricane,'' he said.
> The Yankee Stadium gates opened at 11 a.m., and about 1,000 fans
were in the stands on the sunny afternoon when an announcement was
made at 12:45 p.m. that the doubleheader would not start on time.
> ``We had planned on being here all day anyway,'' Yankees captain
Derek Jeter said. ``I don't see how we could play two games today
now.''
> Ray Zincone, a 29-year-old from West Warwick, R.I., drove down to
New York on Monday morning with his wife, Sheila, and 7-year-old son,
Raymond.
> ``I would like to stay if there's a chance to play,'' he said.
> The Yankees reported to Yankee Stadium at noon for the
doubleheader.
> ``Let's get a grill,'' Yankees pitcher Mike Mussina said. ``Hot
dogs and burgers on the field.''
>
> Updated on Monday, Sep 6, 2004 6:12 pm EDT
>
>
>
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To At Home Plate: I've got a poll for this issue if you want to vote on it!

To Orioles: Anytime the Yankers are ticked off, I know you just love it!

Yankees ask for forfeit as Devil Rays fail to arrive on timeBy RONALD BLUM, AP
Sports Writer
September 6, 2004
NEW YORK (AP) -- The New York Yankees asked the commissioner's office to award
them a forfeit over Tampa Bay after the Devil Rays failed to arrive in time for
the scheduled start Monday because of travel problems in Florida due to
Hurricane Frances.
The doubleheader was changed to a single game and the start time, pushed back
Sunday from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m., was reset for 7 p.m. The Devil Rays, who reported
to Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg at 8 a.m., left the ballpark at 1:05 p.m.,
departed Tampa International Airport at 2:40 p.m., arrived at LaGuardia Airport
at 5:25 p.m. and pulled up to Yankee Stadium in two buses at 6:05 p.m.
``The rule states that if your team is here and ready to play, and the other
team isn't here and not ready to play, there should be a forfeit, and we believe
there should be a forfeit,'' Yankees president Randy Levine said.
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``There are no plans to reschedule any games until this issue is worked out,''
he said.
Levine said the commissioner's office had been told by the Devil Rays that Tampa
Bay would head to New York late Friday or Saturday. Levine called for an
investigation by baseball, and said that if the facts as the Yankees understood
them were true, the game should be forfeited. Alternatively, Levine said the
game should be rescheduled for Oct. 4 -- the day after the regular season is
scheduled to end -- if it's necessary to decide a postseason race.
``Get everything down in print as you will. I have no comment.'' Tampa Bay owner
Vince Naimoli said.
A forfeit didn't appear to be likely.
``Given the stage of the season we are in, and the exciting pennant races, it is
critical that we do everything to decide the championship on the field,''
commissioner Bud Selig said in a statement.
Tampa Bay's home games against Detroit on Saturday and Sunday were postponed,
and the Tigers returned home after Friday night's games.
``There were plenty of opportunities to get out of Tampa on Saturday. The
airports were open until 3 or 4 o'clock.'' Levine said.
Devil Rays spokesman Rick Vaughn said the Devil Rays had never intended to leave
before Monday.
``The only thing that entered our mind was being with our families during the
hurricane,'' he said.
The Yankee Stadium gates opened at 11 a.m., and about 1,000 fans were in the
stands on the sunny afternoon when an announcement was made at 12:45 p.m. that
the doubleheader would not start on time.
``We had planned on being here all day anyway,'' Yankees captain Derek Jeter
said. ``I don't see how we could play two games today now.''
Ray Zincone, a 29-year-old from West Warwick, R.I., drove down to New York on
Monday morning with his wife, Sheila, and 7-year-old son, Raymond.
``I would like to stay if there's a chance to play,'' he said.
The Yankees reported to Yankee Stadium at noon for the doubleheader.
``Let's get a grill,'' Yankees pitcher Mike Mussina said. ``Hot dogs and burgers
on the field.''

Updated on Monday, Sep 6, 2004 6:12 pm EDT



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I guess im so so on that. I liked the guy he was money a couple of playoff
games for us inclusing the Indian game that Webster dropped the ball at home.

mikemartin48 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:How about that Moose? He's good.
Something I've been thinking about today: Where does Mussina rank
among Pitchers in O's history?
The best pitcher in O's history in Baltimore is Jim Palmer, no
contest.
After him in no particular order: McGregor, Flanagan, Cuellar,
Wilhelm, Pappas. Where do you all think Mussina falls in? Top 5? Top
10? Certainly better than Ben McDonald who came up the same time as
Mussina.
I never really liked the guy very much, my big argument is that he
never won 20 and always went in the tank in Sept. What do you all
think?
I actually agreed with Angelos when he refused to pay him $15 mil/yr.



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How about that Moose? He's good.
Something I've been thinking about today: Where does Mussina rank
among Pitchers in O's history?
The best pitcher in O's history in Baltimore is Jim Palmer, no
contest.
After him in no particular order: McGregor, Flanagan, Cuellar,
Wilhelm, Pappas. Where do you all think Mussina falls in? Top 5? Top
10? Certainly better than Ben McDonald who came up the same time as
Mussina.
I never really liked the guy very much, my big argument is that he
never won 20 and always went in the tank in Sept. What do you all
think?
I actually agreed with Angelos when he refused to pay him $15 mil/yr.

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LOL, thats the 1st joke in this room in months.

mikemartin48 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Ponson, 9-13,5.65 era,$7mil/yr vs
Mussina 9-8,5.43 era,$16mil/yr.
Swell, nice job by George, think he'll extend Mussina's contract? How
many more years does it run? Maybe the O's can let George have Omar
Daal too for about $10 mil, we'll throw in Marty Cordova for free.



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Ponson, 9-13,5.65 era,$7mil/yr vs Mussina 9-8,5.43 era,$16mil/yr.
Swell, nice job by George, think he'll extend Mussina's contract? How
many more years does it run? Maybe the O's can let George have Omar
Daal too for about $10 mil, we'll throw in Marty Cordova for free.

Clinton's been on the south beach diet.Don't know what that one is. I know one
thing any diet that gets you stuff yourself with animal fat can't be good for
the ole ticker.

BTW Zepper.What the hell did you do to Fang to make him flip his wig??


--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, SC Zepp <sczepp@y...> wrote:
> By the way dude I never brought up Clinton and his non military record because
I dont have that right because i was never in the military myself.  So I leave
that issue alone. I have had Heart Surgery but it was Open Heart.   I really
have to wander if that diet was good for Clinton he is not the 1st to be on that
carb no card low card diet to have to have Bypass.  I think this has to be
addressed before others go on this diet.
>
> SC Zepp <sczepp@y...> wrote:Yeah check out that liberal times poll
dude.........
>
> "Thomas F. Wainman Jr." <twainman@c...> wrote:There is nothing wrong with the
National Guard, but there is a problem when
> people like you have made a big deal about Clinton, but have nothing to say
> when Our pres and vice pres avoided the war.  It won't matter next spring we
> will have a democrat in Pres again and the O's should make the playoffs if
> they get pitching.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SC Zepp [mailto:sczepp@y...]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:11 PM
> To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: BaltimOrioles YANK-MES LOSE!! YANK-MES LOSE!!!
>
> Last time they won, Reagan was president.  Whats wrong with the gaurd he
> didnt flee country, but no bashing anyman going in for Heart Surgery.... Ahh
> maybe you have woke Fang up?
>
> twainman@c... wrote:I hate the Yanks, but The Yanks have lost Wrol,d
> Seriess when Democrats were in office.  I will take my chances with the
> Yanks, Guard Boy must go!  The last time the Orioles were in the playoffs we
> had a democratic Pres.  So this is another reason Georgie must go.
>
>
> > So the Yanks have never won a World Series with a Republican in the
> > White House? Finally a reason to give Sparky four more years. ROTFL
> >
> >
> > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, SC Zepp <sczepp@y...> wrote:
> > > Eddie has done wanders with that young lineup.   One FACT of the
> > day, the Yankees have never won a World Series when a Republican is
> > the President.........
> > >  Got you Fang on the fact of the day.
> > >
> > > Mitch <landoc63@y...> wrote:
> > > Ladies and Gentlemen,
> > >
> > > After decades of villiany and injustice, a glimmer a radiant
> > sunshine
> > > has broken forth across the land. The New York Yankees, the "Best
> > > Team In Baseball" LOL, have been beaten before their arrogant,
> > rude,
> > > idiotic fans in fabled Yankee Stadium. Actually, beaten is such an
> > > inappropriate word for the events of August 31, 2004, a day that
> > will
> > > be remembered by all true and honorable baseball fans for all
> > > eternity. The Cleveland Indians DEMOLISHED the Yankees by a score
> > of
> > > 22 to ZERO!!! NADA, ZILCH, NEIN!!!! And on 22 hits no less. The
> > only
> > > sad thing is that it wasn't our beloved O's or even the Boston Red
> > > Sox. Had either of us done the deed, the Big Crabapple would be a
> > > pile of rubble (No offense to those who lost loved ones on 9/11)
> > from
> > > rioting fans. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but with the GOP
> > > convention being there when this happened, it might be a good idea
> > to
> > > leave all those delegates and officials there until the Yanks win
> > > again. Which hopefully will be about 2055, by which time the bill
> > for
> > > all the crap that team has done to baseball should be paid up.
> > Thanks
> > > and have a good day. GO O'S!!!!!
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By the way dude I never brought up Clinton and his non military record because I
dont have that right because i was never in the military myself.  So I leave
that issue alone. I have had Heart Surgery but it was Open Heart.   I really
have to wander if that diet was good for Clinton he is not the 1st to be on that
carb no card low card diet to have to have Bypass.  I think this has to be
addressed before others go on this diet.

SC Zepp <sczepp@...> wrote:Yeah check out that liberal times poll
dude.........

"Thomas F. Wainman Jr." <twainman@...> wrote:There is nothing wrong with
the National Guard, but there is a problem when
people like you have made a big deal about Clinton, but have nothing to say
when Our pres and vice pres avoided the war.  It won't matter next spring we
will have a democrat in Pres again and the O's should make the playoffs if
they get pitching.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: SC Zepp [mailto:sczepp@...]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:11 PM
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: BaltimOrioles YANK-MES LOSE!! YANK-MES LOSE!!!

Last time they won, Reagan was president.  Whats wrong with the gaurd he
didnt flee country, but no bashing anyman going in for Heart Surgery.... Ahh
maybe you have woke Fang up?

twainman@... wrote:I hate the Yanks, but The Yanks have lost Wrol,d
Seriess when Democrats were in office.  I will take my chances with the
Yanks, Guard Boy must go!  The last time the Orioles were in the playoffs we
had a democratic Pres.  So this is another reason Georgie must go.


> So the Yanks have never won a World Series with a Republican in the
> White House? Finally a reason to give Sparky four more years. ROTFL
>
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, SC Zepp <sczepp@y...> wrote:
> > Eddie has done wanders with that young lineup.   One FACT of the
> day, the Yankees have never won a World Series when a Republican is
> the President.........
> >  Got you Fang on the fact of the day.
> >
> > Mitch <landoc63@y...> wrote:
> > Ladies and Gentlemen,
> >
> > After decades of villiany and injustice, a glimmer a radiant
> sunshine
> > has broken forth across the land. The New York Yankees, the "Best
> > Team In Baseball" LOL, have been beaten before their arrogant,
> rude,
> > idiotic fans in fabled Yankee Stadium. Actually, beaten is such an
> > inappropriate word for the events of August 31, 2004, a day that
> will
> > be remembered by all true and honorable baseball fans for all
> > eternity. The Cleveland Indians DEMOLISHED the Yankees by a score
> of
> > 22 to ZERO!!! NADA, ZILCH, NEIN!!!! And on 22 hits no less. The
> only
> > sad thing is that it wasn't our beloved O's or even the Boston Red
> > Sox. Had either of us done the deed, the Big Crabapple would be a
> > pile of rubble (No offense to those who lost loved ones on 9/11)
> from
> > rioting fans. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but with the GOP
> > convention being there when this happened, it might be a good idea
> to
> > leave all those delegates and officials there until the Yanks win
> > again. Which hopefully will be about 2055, by which time the bill
> for
> > all the crap that team has done to baseball should be paid up.
> Thanks
> > and have a good day. GO O'S!!!!!
> >
> >
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Yeah check out that liberal times poll dude.........

"Thomas F. Wainman Jr." <twainman@...> wrote:There is nothing wrong with
the National Guard, but there is a problem when
people like you have made a big deal about Clinton, but have nothing to say
when Our pres and vice pres avoided the war.  It won't matter next spring we
will have a democrat in Pres again and the O's should make the playoffs if
they get pitching.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: SC Zepp [mailto:sczepp@...]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:11 PM
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: BaltimOrioles YANK-MES LOSE!! YANK-MES LOSE!!!

Last time they won, Reagan was president.  Whats wrong with the gaurd he
didnt flee country, but no bashing anyman going in for Heart Surgery.... Ahh
maybe you have woke Fang up?

twainman@... wrote:I hate the Yanks, but The Yanks have lost Wrol,d
Seriess when Democrats were in office.  I will take my chances with the
Yanks, Guard Boy must go!  The last time the Orioles were in the playoffs we
had a democratic Pres.  So this is another reason Georgie must go.


> So the Yanks have never won a World Series with a Republican in the
> White House? Finally a reason to give Sparky four more years. ROTFL
>
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, SC Zepp <sczepp@y...> wrote:
> > Eddie has done wanders with that young lineup.   One FACT of the
> day, the Yankees have never won a World Series when a Republican is
> the President.........
> >  Got you Fang on the fact of the day.
> >
> > Mitch <landoc63@y...> wrote:
> > Ladies and Gentlemen,
> >
> > After decades of villiany and injustice, a glimmer a radiant
> sunshine
> > has broken forth across the land. The New York Yankees, the "Best
> > Team In Baseball" LOL, have been beaten before their arrogant,
> rude,
> > idiotic fans in fabled Yankee Stadium. Actually, beaten is such an
> > inappropriate word for the events of August 31, 2004, a day that
> will
> > be remembered by all true and honorable baseball fans for all
> > eternity. The Cleveland Indians DEMOLISHED the Yankees by a score
> of
> > 22 to ZERO!!! NADA, ZILCH, NEIN!!!! And on 22 hits no less. The
> only
> > sad thing is that it wasn't our beloved O's or even the Boston Red
> > Sox. Had either of us done the deed, the Big Crabapple would be a
> > pile of rubble (No offense to those who lost loved ones on 9/11)
> from
> > rioting fans. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but with the GOP
> > convention being there when this happened, it might be a good idea
> to
> > leave all those delegates and officials there until the Yanks win
> > again. Which hopefully will be about 2055, by which time the bill
> for
> > all the crap that team has done to baseball should be paid up.
> Thanks
> > and have a good day. GO O'S!!!!!
> >
> >
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There is nothing wrong with the National Guard, but there is a problem when
people like you have made a big deal about Clinton, but have nothing to say
when Our pres and vice pres avoided the war.  It won't matter next spring we
will have a democrat in Pres again and the O's should make the playoffs if
they get pitching.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: SC Zepp [mailto:sczepp@...]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:11 PM
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: BaltimOrioles YANK-MES LOSE!! YANK-MES LOSE!!!

Last time they won, Reagan was president.  Whats wrong with the gaurd he
didnt flee country, but no bashing anyman going in for Heart Surgery.... Ahh
maybe you have woke Fang up?

twainman@... wrote:I hate the Yanks, but The Yanks have lost Wrol,d
Seriess when Democrats were in office.  I will take my chances with the
Yanks, Guard Boy must go!  The last time the Orioles were in the playoffs we
had a democratic Pres.  So this is another reason Georgie must go.


> So the Yanks have never won a World Series with a Republican in the
> White House? Finally a reason to give Sparky four more years. ROTFL
>
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, SC Zepp <sczepp@y...> wrote:
> > Eddie has done wanders with that young lineup.   One FACT of the
> day, the Yankees have never won a World Series when a Republican is
> the President.........
> >  Got you Fang on the fact of the day.
> >
> > Mitch <landoc63@y...> wrote:
> > Ladies and Gentlemen,
> >
> > After decades of villiany and injustice, a glimmer a radiant
> sunshine
> > has broken forth across the land. The New York Yankees, the "Best
> > Team In Baseball" LOL, have been beaten before their arrogant,
> rude,
> > idiotic fans in fabled Yankee Stadium. Actually, beaten is such an
> > inappropriate word for the events of August 31, 2004, a day that
> will
> > be remembered by all true and honorable baseball fans for all
> > eternity. The Cleveland Indians DEMOLISHED the Yankees by a score
> of
> > 22 to ZERO!!! NADA, ZILCH, NEIN!!!! And on 22 hits no less. The
> only
> > sad thing is that it wasn't our beloved O's or even the Boston Red
> > Sox. Had either of us done the deed, the Big Crabapple would be a
> > pile of rubble (No offense to those who lost loved ones on 9/11)
> from
> > rioting fans. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but with the GOP
> > convention being there when this happened, it might be a good idea
> to
> > leave all those delegates and officials there until the Yanks win
> > again. Which hopefully will be about 2055, by which time the bill
> for
> > all the crap that team has done to baseball should be paid up.
> Thanks
> > and have a good day. GO O'S!!!!!
> >
> >
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Last time they won, Reagan was president.  Whats wrong with the gaurd he didnt
flee country, but no bashing anyman going in for Heart Surgery.... Ahh maybe you
have woke Fang up?

twainman@... wrote:I hate the Yanks, but The Yanks have lost Wrol,d
Seriess when Democrats were in office.  I will take my chances with the Yanks,
Guard Boy must go!  The last time the Orioles were in the playoffs we had a
democratic Pres.  So this is another reason Georgie must go.


> So the Yanks have never won a World Series with a Republican in the
> White House? Finally a reason to give Sparky four more years. ROTFL
>
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, SC Zepp <sczepp@y...> wrote:
> > Eddie has done wanders with that young lineup.   One FACT of the
> day, the Yankees have never won a World Series when a Republican is
> the President.........
> >  Got you Fang on the fact of the day.
> >
> > Mitch <landoc63@y...> wrote:
> > Ladies and Gentlemen,
> >
> > After decades of villiany and injustice, a glimmer a radiant
> sunshine
> > has broken forth across the land. The New York Yankees, the "Best
> > Team In Baseball" LOL, have been beaten before their arrogant,
> rude,
> > idiotic fans in fabled Yankee Stadium. Actually, beaten is such an
> > inappropriate word for the events of August 31, 2004, a day that
> will
> > be remembered by all true and honorable baseball fans for all
> > eternity. The Cleveland Indians DEMOLISHED the Yankees by a score
> of
> > 22 to ZERO!!! NADA, ZILCH, NEIN!!!! And on 22 hits no less. The
> only
> > sad thing is that it wasn't our beloved O's or even the Boston Red
> > Sox. Had either of us done the deed, the Big Crabapple would be a
> > pile of rubble (No offense to those who lost loved ones on 9/11)
> from
> > rioting fans. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but with the GOP
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> to
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I hate the Yanks, but The Yanks have lost Wrol,d Seriess when Democrats were in
office.  I will take my chances with the Yanks, Guard Boy must go!  The last
time the Orioles were in the playoffs we had a democratic Pres.  So this is
another reason Georgie must go.


> So the Yanks have never won a World Series with a Republican in the
> White House? Finally a reason to give Sparky four more years. ROTFL
>
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, SC Zepp <sczepp@y...> wrote:
> > Eddie has done wanders with that young lineup.   One FACT of the
> day, the Yankees have never won a World Series when a Republican is
> the President.........
> >  Got you Fang on the fact of the day.
> >
> > Mitch <landoc63@y...> wrote:
> > Ladies and Gentlemen,
> >
> > After decades of villiany and injustice, a glimmer a radiant
> sunshine
> > has broken forth across the land. The New York Yankees, the "Best
> > Team In Baseball" LOL, have been beaten before their arrogant,
> rude,
> > idiotic fans in fabled Yankee Stadium. Actually, beaten is such an
> > inappropriate word for the events of August 31, 2004, a day that
> will
> > be remembered by all true and honorable baseball fans for all
> > eternity. The Cleveland Indians DEMOLISHED the Yankees by a score
> of
> > 22 to ZERO!!! NADA, ZILCH, NEIN!!!! And on 22 hits no less. The
> only
> > sad thing is that it wasn't our beloved O's or even the Boston Red
> > Sox. Had either of us done the deed, the Big Crabapple would be a
> > pile of rubble (No offense to those who lost loved ones on 9/11)
> from
> > rioting fans. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but with the GOP
> > convention being there when this happened, it might be a good idea
> to
> > leave all those delegates and officials there until the Yanks win
> > again. Which hopefully will be about 2055, by which time the bill
> for
> > all the crap that team has done to baseball should be paid up.
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> > and have a good day. GO O'S!!!!!
> >
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So the Yanks have never won a World Series with a Republican in the
White House? Finally a reason to give Sparky four more years. ROTFL


--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, SC Zepp <sczepp@y...> wrote:
> Eddie has done wanders with that young lineup.   One FACT of the
day, the Yankees have never won a World Series when a Republican is
the President.........
>  Got you Fang on the fact of the day.
>
> Mitch <landoc63@y...> wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> After decades of villiany and injustice, a glimmer a radiant
sunshine
> has broken forth across the land. The New York Yankees, the "Best
> Team In Baseball" LOL, have been beaten before their arrogant,
rude,
> idiotic fans in fabled Yankee Stadium. Actually, beaten is such an
> inappropriate word for the events of August 31, 2004, a day that
will
> be remembered by all true and honorable baseball fans for all
> eternity. The Cleveland Indians DEMOLISHED the Yankees by a score
of
> 22 to ZERO!!! NADA, ZILCH, NEIN!!!! And on 22 hits no less. The
only
> sad thing is that it wasn't our beloved O's or even the Boston Red
> Sox. Had either of us done the deed, the Big Crabapple would be a
> pile of rubble (No offense to those who lost loved ones on 9/11)
from
> rioting fans. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but with the GOP
> convention being there when this happened, it might be a good idea
to
> leave all those delegates and officials there until the Yanks win
> again. Which hopefully will be about 2055, by which time the bill
for
> all the crap that team has done to baseball should be paid up.
Thanks
> and have a good day. GO O'S!!!!!
>
>
>
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cal-ripken-jrs-fans-only
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Same as the previous few years, the final goal I've had for the O's
is to get win 63, so as not to lose 100. Now that that is almost
certain, next is 70 wins or this year seeing that last year they won
72 or something, I'm pulling for them to surpass that number. A .500
season is pretty much remote. They have 6 games left vs NY and 8 vs
Boston. Althought they've killed the Bosox and have a shot at
knocking them out in October. It looks like another season simular to
last. After spending bucks for free agents the front office can't be
too thrilled, should have invested a little more in pitching. I
didn't think they'd improve much without upgrading the pitching staff.
Nice to see loyal diehard fans that'll stick by their favorite team
when they kind of suck. You want to win all the time? Jump on the
Yankee bandwagon.

Please try not to be so vulgur.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "fang_guy" <hbcaplan@v...> wrote:
> Fuck the Orioles.  I hope every last person in the front office and
> on the ballfield rots in hell and dies and slow, painful death, along
> with their spouses and along with ther kids.  Think I am being rude?
> Well, this is the seventh straight year that they have stunk, and so
> far as I am concerned, they are out of excuses.
>
> Suck their dicks if you want, but I am done with them.

How many days until Segui gets hurt????? Im banking he falls in the
dugout.

Eddie has done wanders with that young lineup.   One FACT of the day, the
Yankees have never won a World Series when a Republican is the
President.........
  Got you Fang on the fact of the day.

Mitch <landoc63@...> wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen,

After decades of villiany and injustice, a glimmer a radiant sunshine
has broken forth across the land. The New York Yankees, the "Best
Team In Baseball" LOL, have been beaten before their arrogant, rude,
idiotic fans in fabled Yankee Stadium. Actually, beaten is such an
inappropriate word for the events of August 31, 2004, a day that will
be remembered by all true and honorable baseball fans for all
eternity. The Cleveland Indians DEMOLISHED the Yankees by a score of
22 to ZERO!!! NADA, ZILCH, NEIN!!!! And on 22 hits no less. The only
sad thing is that it wasn't our beloved O's or even the Boston Red
Sox. Had either of us done the deed, the Big Crabapple would be a
pile of rubble (No offense to those who lost loved ones on 9/11) from
rioting fans. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but with the GOP
convention being there when this happened, it might be a good idea to
leave all those delegates and officials there until the Yanks win
again. Which hopefully will be about 2055, by which time the bill for
all the crap that team has done to baseball should be paid up. Thanks
and have a good day. GO O'S!!!!!



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Ladies and Gentlemen,

After decades of villiany and injustice, a glimmer a radiant sunshine
has broken forth across the land. The New York Yankees, the "Best
Team In Baseball" LOL, have been beaten before their arrogant, rude,
idiotic fans in fabled Yankee Stadium. Actually, beaten is such an
inappropriate word for the events of August 31, 2004, a day that will
be remembered by all true and honorable baseball fans for all
eternity. The Cleveland Indians DEMOLISHED the Yankees by a score of
22 to ZERO!!! NADA, ZILCH, NEIN!!!! And on 22 hits no less. The only
sad thing is that it wasn't our beloved O's or even the Boston Red
Sox. Had either of us done the deed, the Big Crabapple would be a
pile of rubble (No offense to those who lost loved ones on 9/11) from
rioting fans. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but with the GOP
convention being there when this happened, it might be a good idea to
leave all those delegates and officials there until the Yanks win
again. Which hopefully will be about 2055, by which time the bill for
all the crap that team has done to baseball should be paid up. Thanks
and have a good day. GO O'S!!!!!