Sorry about that.  I jumped through hoops and ladders in order to make these
numbers readable, and surely enough, they wound up being unreadable!  Sheesh.

Also, how much do you think it would cost to buy the O's?  How many regulars are
there in here?  If each regular put twenty bucks in, how close would we be? 
I'll even put in an extra five becasue the commissioner's office requires one
person to be the primary buyer so that there can be one person to make absolute
decisions should there be hassles among the buyers.

I, of course, volunteer to be that man in case Joe torpedoes Mac's plan to have
a backup catcher.  Zepp can be in charge of making up statistics to make our
guys look better than they are, Scott can be in charge of MD-OH trading, since
every trade we have ever made has been with Ohio, starting with the Reds (F.
Robinson) and the Cubs ever since.  I will be in charge of every other trade and
free agency acquisition, especially those involving Glenn Davis.  (I hear tell
he's in great shape and, technically, he is our property).  Also, pay no
attention to the rumor that the Cubbies are in some sort of state called IL. 
Don't believe everything you hear.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, sczepp@... wrote:
>
>  The Orioles where looking to budget about 95 million to payroll to the
correct people in 2009 and as well in 2010 but there was really no one worth
grabbing except for Texeria in the eyes of upepr management although I would of
snarred Dunn instead of Wiggy. So with that in thought, 67 million minus
Mora,Huff,Walker,Baez,Gibbons(yey) from the payroll in 2010 and the payroll is
down to a whopping 40 million even with the added 40 man projections.....So what
I believe is about 30 million to spend this off season and 30 million next
offseason to reach the roughly projected 2011 payroll and at that time, expect a
sale of the team as well as possibly the MASN network. You heard it here 1st!
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> >
> > #23?  I thought we were a midlevel team... and check out Scott's beloved
Cubs at #4, ahead of the Red Sox!  Who woulda thunk it?  Houston ahead of the
Dodgers?  What's going on here?
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > 2009 Team Payrolls
> >
> > Rank  Team                 Payroll        Average
> > 01. New York Yankees.......$201,449,289...$7,748,050
> > 02. New York Mets..........$135,773,988...$4,849,071
> > 03. Chicago Cubs...........$135,050,000...$5,402,000
> > 04. Boston Red Sox.........$122,696,000...$4,089,867
> > 05. Detroit Tigers.........$115,085,145...$4,110,184
> > 06. Los Angeles Angels.....$113,709,000...$4,061,036
> > 07. Philadelphia Phillies..$113,004,048...$4,185,335
> > 08. Houston Astros.........$102,996,415...$3,814,682
> > 09. Los Angeles Dodgers....$100,458,101...$4,018,324
> > 10. Seattle Mariners........$98,904,167...$3,532,292
> > 11. Atlanta Braves..........$96,726,167...$3,335,385
> > 12. Chicago White Sox  $96,068,500   $3,694,942
> > 13. St. Louis Cardinals  $88,528,411   $3,278,830
> > 14. San Francisco Giants  $82,161,450   $3,043,017
> > 15. Cleveland Indians  $81,625,567   $3,023,169
> > 16. Toronto Blue Jays  $80,993,657   $2,892,631
> > 17. Milwaukee Brewers  $79,857,502   $3,194,300
> > 18. Colorado Rockies  $75,201,000   $2,785,222
> > 19. Arizona Diamondbacks  $73,571,667   $2,724,877
> > 20. Cincinnati Reds  $70,968,500   $2,957,021
> > 21. Kansas City Royals  $70,908,333   $2,727,244
> > 22. Texas Rangers  $68,646,023   $2,367,104
> > 23. Baltimore Orioles  $67,101,667   $2,580,833
> > 24. Minnesota Twins  $65,299,267   $2,251,699
> > 25. Tampa Bay Rays  $63,313,035   $2,183,208
> > 26. Oakland Athletics  $62,310,000   $2,225,357
> > 27. Washington Nationals  $59,328,000   $2,045,793
> > 28. Pittsburgh Pirates  $48,743,000  $1,874,731
> > 29. San Diego Padres  $42,796,700   $1,528,454
> > 30. Florida Marlins  $36,814,000   $1,314,786
> >
>

>> and Cubs about to be sold <<
 
The Cub sale went thru and became "official" about a month ago to some
pencil-necked geek whose family owns TD Ameritrade.
 
The guy is as clueless as the jerks before him.....
 
His "plan" to bring a WS to the Cubs is to upgrade the bathroom facilities &
widen the concourses at Wrigley to "so fans can enjoy the Wrigley Experience
more comfortably", build a triangle building housing a Cub Hall of Fame (looks
like it would be an empty building to me!) and to build a bigger clubhouse with
a new weight room for Cub players .... which, of course, are all the reasons why
the Cubs haven't won a WS in over 100 years!
 
It never dawned on the guy that maybe his best bet to get to the WS would be to
possibly IMPROVE the actual product on the field and why every other fan of
every other team, except for Cub fans,  go to ballgames.  But, NAH.... That's
too easy a solution which is why he never thought of it and why it'll be another
100 years before the Cubs approach playing in a WS.

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Steve James <deafhearingdudeinmd@...> wrote:


From: Steve James <deafhearingdudeinmd@...>
Subject: Re: BaltimOrioles Re: MLB Payroll Rankings
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:06 PM


 



Thing I have to wonder is who has enough money to buy a majority share of the
organization that is even interested in buying a baseball team. With the
Dodgers, Padres and Cubs about to be sold, I'm not so sure there will be too
many takers that would be willing to buy the team if they stay in the cellar.

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, sczepp@yahoo. com <sczepp@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: sczepp@yahoo. com <sczepp@yahoo. com>
Subject: BaltimOrioles Re: MLB Payroll Rankings
To: BaltimOrioles@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:44 PM

All signs from an econmoic standpoint signal yes he will sell his 51%, remember
there are 49% of minority owners in the team on top of Angelos. I would love for
David Modell to put a little bit of a bid in....

--- In BaltimOrioles@ yahoogroups. com, Steve James <deafhearingdudeinm d@...>
wrote:
>
> I would be a little surprised if Angelos sells the team by 2011. Even more so
if he sells MASN.
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, sczepp@... <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: sczepp@... <sczepp@...>
> Subject: BaltimOrioles Re: MLB Payroll Rankings
> To: BaltimOrioles@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:16 PM
>
>
> The Orioles where looking to budget about 95 million to payroll to the correct
people in 2009 and as well in 2010 but there was really no one worth grabbing
except for Texeria in the eyes of upepr management although I would of snarred
Dunn instead of Wiggy. So with that in thought, 67 million minus
Mora,Huff,Walker, Baez,Gibbons( yey) from the payroll in 2010 and the payroll is
down to a whopping 40 million even with the added 40 man projections. ....So
what I believe is about 30 million to spend this off season and 30 million next
offseason to reach the roughly projected 2011 payroll and at that time, expect a
sale of the team as well as possibly the MASN network. You heard it here 1st!
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@ yahoogroups. com, "Fang" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> >
> > #23?  I thought we were a midlevel team... and check out Scott's beloved
Cubs at #4, ahead of the Red Sox!  Who woulda thunk it?  Houston ahead of the
Dodgers?  What's going on here?
> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> >
> > 2009 Team Payrolls
> >
> > Rank, Team,          Payroll,       Average
> > 1. New York Yankees  $201,449,289   $7,748,050
> > 2. New York Mets  $135,773,988   $4,849,071
> > 3. Chicago Cubs  $135,050,000   $5,402,000
> > 4. Boston Red Sox  $122,696,000   $4,089,867
> > 5. Detroit Tigers  $115,085,145   $4,110,184
> > 6. Los Angeles Angels  $113,709,000   $4,061,036
> > 7. Philadelphia Phillies  $113,004,048   $4,185,335
> > 8. Houston Astros  $102,996,415   $3,814,682
> > 9. Los Angeles Dodgers  $100,458,101   $4,018,324
> > 10. Seattle Mariners  $98,904,167   $3,532,292
> > 11. Atlanta Braves  $96,726,167   $3,335,385
> > 12. Chicago White Sox  $96,068,500   $3,694,942
> > 13. St. Louis Cardinals  $88,528,411   $3,278,830
> > 14. San Francisco Giants  $82,161,450   $3,043,017
> > 15. Cleveland Indians  $81,625,567   $3,023,169
> > 16. Toronto Blue Jays  $80,993,657   $2,892,631
> > 17. Milwaukee Brewers  $79,857,502   $3,194,300
> > 18. Colorado Rockies  $75,201,000   $2,785,222
> > 19. Arizona Diamondbacks  $73,571,667   $2,724,877
> > 20. Cincinnati Reds  $70,968,500   $2,957,021
> > 21. Kansas City Royals  $70,908,333   $2,727,244
> > 22. Texas Rangers  $68,646,023   $2,367,104
> > 23. Baltimore Orioles  $67,101,667   $2,580,833
> > 24. Minnesota Twins  $65,299,267   $2,251,699
> > 25. Tampa Bay Rays  $63,313,035   $2,183,208
> > 26. Oakland Athletics  $62,310,000   $2,225,357
> > 27. Nationals  $59,328,000   $2,045,793
> > 28. Pirates  $48,743,000  $1,874,731
> > 29. San Diego Padres  $42,796,700   $1,528,454
> > 30. Florida Marlins  $36,814,000   $1,314,786
> >
>
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>> check out Scott's beloved Cubs at #4, ahead of the Red Sox! Who woulda thunk
it? <<
 
This is what happens when you have a GM who doesn't know his ass from a hole in
the wall regarding baseball and opens up the checkbook by out-bidding HIMSELF
for players that come off of career years yet don't fit together as a team
and who decide to sit back, collect the salaries, treat "The Wrigley
Experience" like a trip to Disney World, allow a country club atmosphere in the
clubhouse without any hint that these prima donnas were expected to produce in
exchange for all those cushy contracts.
 
Need I say more???
 
If guys didn't go to Wrigley just for the chicks and the beer garden/singles bar
ambiance and the rubes from Iowa, Wisconsin & Indiana didn't go there just to
"absorb the Wrigley Experience".... which is all a buncha BS.... the place would
be empty.
 
Don't get me started on the freaking Cubs!

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:


From: Fang <fang_guy@...>
Subject: BaltimOrioles MLB Payroll Rankings
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 1:07 PM


 



#23? I thought we were a midlevel team... and check out Scott's beloved Cubs at
#4, ahead of the Red Sox! Who woulda thunk it? Houston ahead of the Dodgers?
What's going on here?
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

2009 Team Payrolls

Rank, Team, Payroll, Average
1. New York Yankees $201,449,289 $7,748,050
2. New York Mets $135,773,988 $4,849,071
3. Chicago Cubs $135,050,000 $5,402,000
4. Boston Red Sox $122,696,000 $4,089,867
5. Detroit Tigers $115,085,145 $4,110,184
6. Los Angeles Angels $113,709,000 $4,061,036
7. Philadelphia Phillies $113,004,048 $4,185,335
8. Houston Astros $102,996,415 $3,814,682
9. Los Angeles Dodgers $100,458,101 $4,018,324
10. Seattle Mariners $98,904,167 $3,532,292
11. Atlanta Braves $96,726,167 $3,335,385
12. Chicago White Sox $96,068,500 $3,694,942
13. St. Louis Cardinals $88,528,411 $3,278,830
14. San Francisco Giants $82,161,450 $3,043,017
15. Cleveland Indians $81,625,567 $3,023,169
16. Toronto Blue Jays $80,993,657 $2,892,631
17. Milwaukee Brewers $79,857,502 $3,194,300
18. Colorado Rockies $75,201,000 $2,785,222
19. Arizona Diamondbacks $73,571,667 $2,724,877
20. Cincinnati Reds $70,968,500 $2,957,021
21. Kansas City Royals $70,908,333 $2,727,244
22. Texas Rangers $68,646,023 $2,367,104
23. Baltimore Orioles $67,101,667 $2,580,833
24. Minnesota Twins $65,299,267 $2,251,699
25. Tampa Bay Rays $63,313,035 $2,183,208
26. Oakland Athletics $62,310,000 $2,225,357
27. Nationals $59,328,000 $2,045,793
28. Pirates $48,743,000 $1,874,731
29. San Diego Padres $42,796,700 $1,528,454
30. Florida Marlins $36,814,000 $1,314,786











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Thing I have to wonder is who has enough money to buy a majority share of the
organization that is even interested in buying a baseball team. With the
Dodgers, Padres and Cubs about to be sold, I'm not so sure there will be too
many takers that would be willing to buy the team if they stay in the cellar.

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, sczepp@... <sczepp@...> wrote:


From: sczepp@... <sczepp@...>
Subject: BaltimOrioles Re: MLB Payroll Rankings
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:44 PM


All signs from an econmoic standpoint signal yes he will sell his 51%, remember
there are 49% of minority owners in the team on top of Angelos. I would love for
David Modell to put a little bit of a bid in....

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Steve James <deafhearingdudeinmd@...>
wrote:
>
> I would be a little surprised if Angelos sells the team by 2011. Even more so
if he sells MASN.
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, sczepp@... <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: sczepp@... <sczepp@...>
> Subject: BaltimOrioles Re: MLB Payroll Rankings
> To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:16 PM
>
>
> The Orioles where looking to budget about 95 million to payroll to the correct
people in 2009 and as well in 2010 but there was really no one worth grabbing
except for Texeria in the eyes of upepr management although I would of snarred
Dunn instead of Wiggy. So with that in thought, 67 million minus
Mora,Huff,Walker,Baez,Gibbons(yey) from the payroll in 2010 and the payroll is
down to a whopping 40 million even with the added 40 man projections.....So what
I believe is about 30 million to spend this off season and 30 million next
offseason to reach the roughly projected 2011 payroll and at that time, expect a
sale of the team as well as possibly the MASN network. You heard it here 1st!
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> >
> > #23?  I thought we were a midlevel team... and check out Scott's beloved
Cubs at #4, ahead of the Red Sox!  Who woulda thunk it?  Houston ahead of the
Dodgers?  What's going on here?
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > 2009 Team Payrolls
> >
> > Rank, Team,          Payroll,       Average
> > 1. New York Yankees  $201,449,289   $7,748,050
> > 2. New York Mets  $135,773,988   $4,849,071
> > 3. Chicago Cubs  $135,050,000   $5,402,000
> > 4. Boston Red Sox  $122,696,000   $4,089,867
> > 5. Detroit Tigers  $115,085,145   $4,110,184
> > 6. Los Angeles Angels  $113,709,000   $4,061,036
> > 7. Philadelphia Phillies  $113,004,048   $4,185,335
> > 8. Houston Astros  $102,996,415   $3,814,682
> > 9. Los Angeles Dodgers  $100,458,101   $4,018,324
> > 10. Seattle Mariners  $98,904,167   $3,532,292
> > 11. Atlanta Braves  $96,726,167   $3,335,385
> > 12. Chicago White Sox  $96,068,500   $3,694,942
> > 13. St. Louis Cardinals  $88,528,411   $3,278,830
> > 14. San Francisco Giants  $82,161,450   $3,043,017
> > 15. Cleveland Indians  $81,625,567   $3,023,169
> > 16. Toronto Blue Jays  $80,993,657   $2,892,631
> > 17. Milwaukee Brewers  $79,857,502   $3,194,300
> > 18. Colorado Rockies  $75,201,000   $2,785,222
> > 19. Arizona Diamondbacks  $73,571,667   $2,724,877
> > 20. Cincinnati Reds  $70,968,500   $2,957,021
> > 21. Kansas City Royals  $70,908,333   $2,727,244
> > 22. Texas Rangers  $68,646,023   $2,367,104
> > 23. Baltimore Orioles  $67,101,667   $2,580,833
> > 24. Minnesota Twins  $65,299,267   $2,251,699
> > 25. Tampa Bay Rays  $63,313,035   $2,183,208
> > 26. Oakland Athletics  $62,310,000   $2,225,357
> > 27. Nationals  $59,328,000   $2,045,793
> > 28. Pirates  $48,743,000  $1,874,731
> > 29. San Diego Padres  $42,796,700   $1,528,454
> > 30. Florida Marlins  $36,814,000   $1,314,786
> >
>
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All signs from an econmoic standpoint signal yes he will sell his 51%, remember
there are 49% of minority owners in the team on top of Angelos. I would love for
David Modell to put a little bit of a bid in....

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Steve James <deafhearingdudeinmd@...>
wrote:
>
> I would be a little surprised if Angelos sells the team by 2011. Even more so
if he sells MASN.
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, sczepp@... <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: sczepp@... <sczepp@...>
> Subject: BaltimOrioles Re: MLB Payroll Rankings
> To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:16 PM
>
>
> The Orioles where looking to budget about 95 million to payroll to the correct
people in 2009 and as well in 2010 but there was really no one worth grabbing
except for Texeria in the eyes of upepr management although I would of snarred
Dunn instead of Wiggy. So with that in thought, 67 million minus
Mora,Huff,Walker,Baez,Gibbons(yey) from the payroll in 2010 and the payroll is
down to a whopping 40 million even with the added 40 man projections.....So what
I believe is about 30 million to spend this off season and 30 million next
offseason to reach the roughly projected 2011 payroll and at that time, expect a
sale of the team as well as possibly the MASN network. You heard it here 1st!
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> >
> > #23?  I thought we were a midlevel team... and check out Scott's beloved
Cubs at #4, ahead of the Red Sox!  Who woulda thunk it?  Houston ahead of the
Dodgers?  What's going on here?
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > 2009 Team Payrolls
> >
> > Rank, Team,          Payroll,       Average
> > 1. New York Yankees  $201,449,289   $7,748,050
> > 2. New York Mets  $135,773,988   $4,849,071
> > 3. Chicago Cubs  $135,050,000   $5,402,000
> > 4. Boston Red Sox  $122,696,000   $4,089,867
> > 5. Detroit Tigers  $115,085,145   $4,110,184
> > 6. Los Angeles Angels  $113,709,000   $4,061,036
> > 7. Philadelphia Phillies  $113,004,048   $4,185,335
> > 8. Houston Astros  $102,996,415   $3,814,682
> > 9. Los Angeles Dodgers  $100,458,101   $4,018,324
> > 10. Seattle Mariners  $98,904,167   $3,532,292
> > 11. Atlanta Braves  $96,726,167   $3,335,385
> > 12. Chicago White Sox  $96,068,500   $3,694,942
> > 13. St. Louis Cardinals  $88,528,411   $3,278,830
> > 14. San Francisco Giants  $82,161,450   $3,043,017
> > 15. Cleveland Indians  $81,625,567   $3,023,169
> > 16. Toronto Blue Jays  $80,993,657   $2,892,631
> > 17. Milwaukee Brewers  $79,857,502   $3,194,300
> > 18. Colorado Rockies  $75,201,000   $2,785,222
> > 19. Arizona Diamondbacks  $73,571,667   $2,724,877
> > 20. Cincinnati Reds  $70,968,500   $2,957,021
> > 21. Kansas City Royals  $70,908,333   $2,727,244
> > 22. Texas Rangers  $68,646,023   $2,367,104
> > 23. Baltimore Orioles  $67,101,667   $2,580,833
> > 24. Minnesota Twins  $65,299,267   $2,251,699
> > 25. Tampa Bay Rays  $63,313,035   $2,183,208
> > 26. Oakland Athletics  $62,310,000   $2,225,357
> > 27. Nationals  $59,328,000   $2,045,793
> > 28. Pirates  $48,743,000  $1,874,731
> > 29. San Diego Padres  $42,796,700   $1,528,454
> > 30. Florida Marlins  $36,814,000   $1,314,786
> >
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I would be a little surprised if Angelos sells the team by 2011. Even more so if
he sells MASN.

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, sczepp@... <sczepp@...> wrote:


From: sczepp@... <sczepp@...>
Subject: BaltimOrioles Re: MLB Payroll Rankings
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:16 PM


The Orioles where looking to budget about 95 million to payroll to the correct
people in 2009 and as well in 2010 but there was really no one worth grabbing
except for Texeria in the eyes of upepr management although I would of snarred
Dunn instead of Wiggy. So with that in thought, 67 million minus
Mora,Huff,Walker,Baez,Gibbons(yey) from the payroll in 2010 and the payroll is
down to a whopping 40 million even with the added 40 man projections.....So what
I believe is about 30 million to spend this off season and 30 million next
offseason to reach the roughly projected 2011 payroll and at that time, expect a
sale of the team as well as possibly the MASN network. You heard it here 1st!

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
>
> #23?  I thought we were a midlevel team... and check out Scott's beloved Cubs
at #4, ahead of the Red Sox!  Who woulda thunk it?  Houston ahead of the
Dodgers?  What's going on here?
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2009 Team Payrolls
>
> Rank, Team,          Payroll,       Average
> 1. New York Yankees  $201,449,289   $7,748,050
> 2. New York Mets  $135,773,988   $4,849,071
> 3. Chicago Cubs  $135,050,000   $5,402,000
> 4. Boston Red Sox  $122,696,000   $4,089,867
> 5. Detroit Tigers  $115,085,145   $4,110,184
> 6. Los Angeles Angels  $113,709,000   $4,061,036
> 7. Philadelphia Phillies  $113,004,048   $4,185,335
> 8. Houston Astros  $102,996,415   $3,814,682
> 9. Los Angeles Dodgers  $100,458,101   $4,018,324
> 10. Seattle Mariners  $98,904,167   $3,532,292
> 11. Atlanta Braves  $96,726,167   $3,335,385
> 12. Chicago White Sox  $96,068,500   $3,694,942
> 13. St. Louis Cardinals  $88,528,411   $3,278,830
> 14. San Francisco Giants  $82,161,450   $3,043,017
> 15. Cleveland Indians  $81,625,567   $3,023,169
> 16. Toronto Blue Jays  $80,993,657   $2,892,631
> 17. Milwaukee Brewers  $79,857,502   $3,194,300
> 18. Colorado Rockies  $75,201,000   $2,785,222
> 19. Arizona Diamondbacks  $73,571,667   $2,724,877
> 20. Cincinnati Reds  $70,968,500   $2,957,021
> 21. Kansas City Royals  $70,908,333   $2,727,244
> 22. Texas Rangers  $68,646,023   $2,367,104
> 23. Baltimore Orioles  $67,101,667   $2,580,833
> 24. Minnesota Twins  $65,299,267   $2,251,699
> 25. Tampa Bay Rays  $63,313,035   $2,183,208
> 26. Oakland Athletics  $62,310,000   $2,225,357
> 27. Nationals  $59,328,000   $2,045,793
> 28. Pirates  $48,743,000  $1,874,731
> 29. San Diego Padres  $42,796,700   $1,528,454
> 30. Florida Marlins  $36,814,000   $1,314,786
>




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The Orioles where looking to budget about 95 million to payroll to the correct
people in 2009 and as well in 2010 but there was really no one worth grabbing
except for Texeria in the eyes of upepr management although I would of snarred
Dunn instead of Wiggy. So with that in thought, 67 million minus
Mora,Huff,Walker,Baez,Gibbons(yey) from the payroll in 2010 and the payroll is
down to a whopping 40 million even with the added 40 man projections.....So what
I believe is about 30 million to spend this off season and 30 million next
offseason to reach the roughly projected 2011 payroll and at that time, expect a
sale of the team as well as possibly the MASN network. You heard it here 1st!

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
>
> #23?  I thought we were a midlevel team... and check out Scott's beloved Cubs
at #4, ahead of the Red Sox!  Who woulda thunk it?  Houston ahead of the
Dodgers?  What's going on here?
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2009 Team Payrolls
>
> Rank, Team,          Payroll,       Average
> 1. New York Yankees  $201,449,289   $7,748,050
> 2. New York Mets  $135,773,988   $4,849,071
> 3. Chicago Cubs  $135,050,000   $5,402,000
> 4. Boston Red Sox  $122,696,000   $4,089,867
> 5. Detroit Tigers  $115,085,145   $4,110,184
> 6. Los Angeles Angels  $113,709,000   $4,061,036
> 7. Philadelphia Phillies  $113,004,048   $4,185,335
> 8. Houston Astros  $102,996,415   $3,814,682
> 9. Los Angeles Dodgers  $100,458,101   $4,018,324
> 10. Seattle Mariners  $98,904,167   $3,532,292
> 11. Atlanta Braves  $96,726,167   $3,335,385
> 12. Chicago White Sox  $96,068,500   $3,694,942
> 13. St. Louis Cardinals  $88,528,411   $3,278,830
> 14. San Francisco Giants  $82,161,450   $3,043,017
> 15. Cleveland Indians  $81,625,567   $3,023,169
> 16. Toronto Blue Jays  $80,993,657   $2,892,631
> 17. Milwaukee Brewers  $79,857,502   $3,194,300
> 18. Colorado Rockies  $75,201,000   $2,785,222
> 19. Arizona Diamondbacks  $73,571,667   $2,724,877
> 20. Cincinnati Reds  $70,968,500   $2,957,021
> 21. Kansas City Royals  $70,908,333   $2,727,244
> 22. Texas Rangers  $68,646,023   $2,367,104
> 23. Baltimore Orioles  $67,101,667   $2,580,833
> 24. Minnesota Twins  $65,299,267   $2,251,699
> 25. Tampa Bay Rays  $63,313,035   $2,183,208
> 26. Oakland Athletics  $62,310,000   $2,225,357
> 27. Nationals  $59,328,000   $2,045,793
> 28. Pirates  $48,743,000  $1,874,731
> 29. San Diego Padres  $42,796,700   $1,528,454
> 30. Florida Marlins  $36,814,000   $1,314,786
>

Forget Dan Uggla he is going to cost alot to get him let try Garrett Atkins who
could be back form like when he was 3 year ago !

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:


From: Fang <fang_guy@...>
Subject: BaltimOrioles Re: Orioles to trade for Dan Uggla at Owners meeting
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:11 PM


 





I'll give the Rockies any five of the following five choices for Garrett Atkins:
Rick Schu, Norm Charlton, Allen Wiggins, Travis Taylor, Bam Morris...

--- In BaltimOrioles@ yahoogroups. com, Noel Schively <nschively@. ..> wrote:
>
> Heard Garrett Atkins is being shopped as well....
> http://www.thebaseb allcube.com/ players/A/ Garrett-Atkins. shtml
>
> <http://www.thebaseb allcube.com/ players/A/ Garrett-Atkins. shtml>N.

om <BaltimOrioles% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > Scott Rendler <itzscott1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Going to take more than Ray and Wiggy <<
> > >
> > > The Marlins consistently and successfully go after top prospects. When
> > they develop and approach big-money time, they trade them for more top
> > prospects.
> > >
> > > They burned the Cubs in the Juan Pierre trade by getting Nolasco, Pinto
> > and Mitre in return for a speedy guy that had no defense and absolutely no
> > arm. 3rd base coaches were needing to go thru Tommy John surgery after
> > waving runners around 3rd whenever the ball was hit to Pierre. The Cubs were
> > just as desperate for a leadoff man who plays CF as the O's seem to be about
> > getting a 3rd baseman.... which is scarey.
> > >
> > > You can't stress defense enough up the middle and at 3rd & 1st base. Guys
> > like Uggla end up giving up as many runs as they generate over the course of
> > a long season.
> > >
> > > It'll be interesting to see where this goes. I can see the O's spending
> > to try to get Lackey & Garland, but I can't see the O's giving up a couple
> > of crown jewels and expand the payroll to get Uggla.
> >
> > t a true cleanup hitter.
> > > >
> > > > There was a first baseman named Mike Jacobs last year who hit 25-30 HRs
> > > > every year since forever, yet he was always below everyone's radar and
> > KC
> > > > got him from Florida for a washed-up RP. I was pissed at the time (I
> > didn't
> > > > even know he was available) and said so in here.
> > > >
> > > > Yet Florida got the last laugh over me (and KC) because it turned out
> > that
> > > > Jacobs went from a 25 HR guy to a zero HR guy (assumedly) just by
> > switching
> > > > leagues.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I don't know why I brought that up. If it's the change in
> > leagues,
> > > > that can work for you as well as against you. And Uggla will get the
> > > > Baltimore version of a tickertape down Broadway. His newly healthy ego
> > will
> > > > put him in a good mood before he swings a bat.
> > > >
> > > > You know what? This guy will likely swat more than a few regardless of
> > > > average and we should put on a full-court press. If he sucks, he sucks,
> > but
> > > > at least we will have gone down swinging for once. And if there is ever
> > a
> > > > time to trade for him, following last year is it. How about Chris Ray
> > and
> > > > Wigginton with a conditional second player from them to us depending on
> > > > Wiggy's (and/or Uggla's) results?
> > > >
> > > > I know SF is after him, too, and they are never afraid to pull the
> > switch,
> > > > so I feel we had better act swiftly or we won't act at all. I'll even
> > go on
> > > > record as an Official Fang Proponent of any reasonable swap we can put
> > > > together to bring this guy to the Yards. But I fear that if we don't do
> > it
> > > > by the end of this coming weekend, he will be gone.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BaltimOrioles@ yahoogroups. com <BaltimOrioles% 40yahoogroups.
com><BaltimOriol es%
> > 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > Noel Schively <nschively@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Uggla is 29. He strikes out a lot - but has a pretty decent OBP.
> > Given
> > > > > the consistent ~30 HRs and 90RsBI o er 4 years despite BA, I'd take
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, November 12, 2009, Fang <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > First of all, ever notice that MacPhail is always "laying the
> > > > groundwork?" Why can't he ever just make a deal and come home instead
> > of
> > > > torturing us Hot Stove fans?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for Uggla, he had a terrible year, no question. But this guy has
> > > > some serious power and has been a decent enough for-average hitter in
> > the
> > > > past as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The question is: was last year a signal to the beginning of the end
> > for
> > > > him, or just one of those years? (I wonder how old he is). And would a
> > move
> > > > to the AL be better or worse for him? And don't forget that a trade
> > means we
> > > > have to send someone back; thus the term "trade". Who would that be?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But all in all, since MacPhail loves to roll the dice on people,
> > I'd
> > > > rather see him roll the dice on Uggla in a hearbeat - even at a higher
> > cost
> > > > - rather than some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've loved this guy for years. If he is anything close to what he
> > was
> > > > only two years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a
> > great
> > > > addition.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BaltimOrioles@ yahoogroups. com<BaltimOrioles% 40yahoogroups.
com><BaltimOriol es%
> > 40yahoogroups. com> <javascript: _e({},
> > > > 'cvml', 'BaltimOrioles% 40yahoogroups. com');>, sczepp@ wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground
> > work
> > > > for a trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd
> > about
> > > > as good as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his
> > bat
> > > > hitting 121 HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring
> > > > multiple top prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed
> > 150
> > > > times. http://www.thebaseb allcube.com/ players/U/ Dan-Uggla. shtml
> > > > > >>
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> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Noel Schively
> > > > > ============ =======
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> > > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Noel Schively
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> > > www.mobtownplayers. com
> > >
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> > > Passw0rd - 1234
> > >
> > > Maryland Terps Group:
> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Terrapin_ City
> > >
> > > Baltimore Ravens Group:
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I'll give the Rockies any five of the following five choices for Garrett Atkins:
Rick Schu, Norm Charlton, Allen Wiggins, Travis Taylor, Bam Morris...




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Noel Schively <nschively@...> wrote:
>
> Heard Garrett Atkins is being shopped as well....
> http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/A/Garrett-Atkins.shtml
>
> <http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/A/Garrett-Atkins.shtml>N.




om <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Scott Rendler <itzscott1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Going to take more than Ray and Wiggy <<
> > >
> > > The Marlins consistently and successfully go after top prospects. When
> > they develop and approach big-money time, they trade them for more top
> > prospects.
> > >
> > > They burned the Cubs in the Juan Pierre trade by getting Nolasco, Pinto
> > and Mitre in return for a speedy guy that had no defense and absolutely no
> > arm. 3rd base coaches were needing to go thru Tommy John surgery after
> > waving runners around 3rd whenever the ball was hit to Pierre. The Cubs were
> > just as desperate for a leadoff man who plays CF as the O's seem to be about
> > getting a 3rd baseman.... which is scarey.
> > >
> > > You can't stress defense enough up the middle and at 3rd & 1st base. Guys
> > like Uggla end up giving up as many runs as they generate over the course of
> > a long season.
> > >
> > > It'll be interesting to see where this goes. I can see the O's spending
> > to try to get Lackey & Garland, but I can't see the O's giving up a couple
> > of crown jewels and expand the payroll to get Uggla.
> >
> > t a true cleanup hitter.
> > > >
> > > > There was a first baseman named Mike Jacobs last year who hit 25-30 HRs
> > > > every year since forever, yet he was always below everyone's radar and
> > KC
> > > > got him from Florida for a washed-up RP. I was pissed at the time (I
> > didn't
> > > > even know he was available) and said so in here.
> > > >
> > > > Yet Florida got the last laugh over me (and KC) because it turned out
> > that
> > > > Jacobs went from a 25 HR guy to a zero HR guy (assumedly) just by
> > switching
> > > > leagues.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I don't know why I brought that up. If it's the change in
> > leagues,
> > > > that can work for you as well as against you. And Uggla will get the
> > > > Baltimore version of a tickertape down Broadway. His newly healthy ego
> > will
> > > > put him in a good mood before he swings a bat.
> > > >
> > > > You know what? This guy will likely swat more than a few regardless of
> > > > average and we should put on a full-court press. If he sucks, he sucks,
> > but
> > > > at least we will have gone down swinging for once. And if there is ever
> > a
> > > > time to trade for him, following last year is it. How about Chris Ray
> > and
> > > > Wigginton with a conditional second player from them to us depending on
> > > > Wiggy's (and/or Uggla's) results?
> > > >
> > > > I know SF is after him, too, and they are never afraid to pull the
> > switch,
> > > > so I feel we had better act swiftly or we won't act at all. I'll even
> > go on
> > > > record as an Official Fang Proponent of any reasonable swap we can put
> > > > together to bring this guy to the Yards. But I fear that if we don't do
> > it
> > > > by the end of this coming weekend, he will be gone.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com><BaltimOrioles%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Noel Schively <nschively@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Uggla is 29. He strikes out a lot - but has a pretty decent OBP.
> > Given
> > > > > the consistent ~30 HRs and 90RsBI o er 4 years despite BA, I'd take
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, November 12, 2009, Fang <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First of all, ever notice that MacPhail is always "laying the
> > > > groundwork?" Why can't he ever just make a deal and come home instead
> > of
> > > > torturing us Hot Stove fans?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for Uggla, he had a terrible year, no question. But this guy has
> > > > some serious power and has been a decent enough for-average hitter in
> > the
> > > > past as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The question is: was last year a signal to the beginning of the end
> > for
> > > > him, or just one of those years? (I wonder how old he is). And would a
> > move
> > > > to the AL be better or worse for him? And don't forget that a trade
> > means we
> > > > have to send someone back; thus the term "trade". Who would that be?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But all in all, since MacPhail loves to roll the dice on people,
> > I'd
> > > > rather see him roll the dice on Uggla in a hearbeat - even at a higher
> > cost
> > > > - rather than some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've loved this guy for years. If he is anything close to what he
> > was
> > > > only two years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a
> > great
> > > > addition.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com<BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com><BaltimOrioles%
> > 40yahoogroups.com> <javascript:_e({},
> > > > 'cvml', 'BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com');>, sczepp@ wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground
> > work
> > > > for a trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd
> > about
> > > > as good as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his
> > bat
> > > > hitting 121 HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring
> > > > multiple top prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed
> > 150
> > > > times. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/U/Dan-Uggla.shtml
> > > > > >>
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> > >
> > >
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> > > Noel Schively
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> > >
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> > >
> > > Fantasy League still open:
> > > League ID# - 134385
> > > Passw0rd   - 1234
> > >
> > > Maryland Terps Group:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Terrapin_City
> > >
> > > Baltimore Ravens Group:
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#23?  I thought we were a midlevel team... and check out Scott's beloved Cubs at
#4, ahead of the Red Sox!  Who woulda thunk it?  Houston ahead of the Dodgers? 
What's going on here?
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2009 Team Payrolls

Rank, Team,          Payroll,       Average
1. New York Yankees  $201,449,289   $7,748,050
2. New York Mets  $135,773,988   $4,849,071
3. Chicago Cubs  $135,050,000   $5,402,000
4. Boston Red Sox  $122,696,000   $4,089,867
5. Detroit Tigers  $115,085,145   $4,110,184
6. Los Angeles Angels  $113,709,000   $4,061,036
7. Philadelphia Phillies  $113,004,048   $4,185,335
8. Houston Astros  $102,996,415   $3,814,682
9. Los Angeles Dodgers  $100,458,101   $4,018,324
10. Seattle Mariners  $98,904,167   $3,532,292
11. Atlanta Braves  $96,726,167   $3,335,385
12. Chicago White Sox  $96,068,500   $3,694,942
13. St. Louis Cardinals  $88,528,411   $3,278,830
14. San Francisco Giants  $82,161,450   $3,043,017
15. Cleveland Indians  $81,625,567   $3,023,169
16. Toronto Blue Jays  $80,993,657   $2,892,631
17. Milwaukee Brewers  $79,857,502   $3,194,300
18. Colorado Rockies  $75,201,000   $2,785,222
19. Arizona Diamondbacks  $73,571,667   $2,724,877
20. Cincinnati Reds  $70,968,500   $2,957,021
21. Kansas City Royals  $70,908,333   $2,727,244
22. Texas Rangers  $68,646,023   $2,367,104
23. Baltimore Orioles  $67,101,667   $2,580,833
24. Minnesota Twins  $65,299,267   $2,251,699
25. Tampa Bay Rays  $63,313,035   $2,183,208
26. Oakland Athletics  $62,310,000   $2,225,357
27. Nationals  $59,328,000   $2,045,793
28. Pirates  $48,743,000  $1,874,731
29. San Diego Padres  $42,796,700   $1,528,454
30. Florida Marlins  $36,814,000   $1,314,786

Heard Garrett Atkins is being shopped as well....
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/A/Garrett-Atkins.shtml

<http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/A/Garrett-Atkins.shtml>N.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Ok, you have successfully chased me away from Uggla, especially if he is
> going to cost a lot. We cannot afford a poor defense. On the other hand, how
> about DH? But how much do you pay for a DH?
>
> I have no use for Garland, but I very much want Lackey, as I want a #1 guy.
> Even way back when (this morning) wahen I was in love with Uggla, I would
> still have taken Lackey since he's not only a pitcher, but a very good one
> when he's healthy, which isn't often but often enough to matter.
> Injury-wise, he's Jim Palmer, not Carl Pavano.
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...> wrote:
> >
> > >> Going to take more than Ray and Wiggy <<
> >
> > The Marlins consistently and successfully go after top prospects. When
> they develop and approach big-money time, they trade them for more top
> prospects.
> >
> > They burned the Cubs in the Juan Pierre trade by getting Nolasco, Pinto
> and Mitre in return for a speedy guy that had no defense and absolutely no
> arm. 3rd base coaches were needing to go thru Tommy John surgery after
> waving runners around 3rd whenever the ball was hit to Pierre. The Cubs were
> just as desperate for a leadoff man who plays CF as the O's seem to be about
> getting a 3rd baseman.... which is scarey.
> >
> > You can't stress defense enough up the middle and at 3rd & 1st base. Guys
> like Uggla end up giving up as many runs as they generate over the course of
> a long season.
> >
> > It'll be interesting to see where this goes. I can see the O's spending
> to try to get Lackey & Garland, but I can't see the O's giving up a couple
> of crown jewels and expand the payroll to get Uggla.
>
> t a true cleanup hitter.
> > >
> > > There was a first baseman named Mike Jacobs last year who hit 25-30 HRs
> > > every year since forever, yet he was always below everyone's radar and
> KC
> > > got him from Florida for a washed-up RP. I was pissed at the time (I
> didn't
> > > even know he was available) and said so in here.
> > >
> > > Yet Florida got the last laugh over me (and KC) because it turned out
> that
> > > Jacobs went from a 25 HR guy to a zero HR guy (assumedly) just by
> switching
> > > leagues.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I don't know why I brought that up. If it's the change in
> leagues,
> > > that can work for you as well as against you. And Uggla will get the
> > > Baltimore version of a tickertape down Broadway. His newly healthy ego
> will
> > > put him in a good mood before he swings a bat.
> > >
> > > You know what? This guy will likely swat more than a few regardless of
> > > average and we should put on a full-court press. If he sucks, he sucks,
> but
> > > at least we will have gone down swinging for once. And if there is ever
> a
> > > time to trade for him, following last year is it. How about Chris Ray
> and
> > > Wigginton with a conditional second player from them to us depending on
> > > Wiggy's (and/or Uggla's) results?
> > >
> > > I know SF is after him, too, and they are never afraid to pull the
> switch,
> > > so I feel we had better act swiftly or we won't act at all. I'll even
> go on
> > > record as an Official Fang Proponent of any reasonable swap we can put
> > > together to bring this guy to the Yards. But I fear that if we don't do
> it
> > > by the end of this coming weekend, he will be gone.
> > >
> > > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com><BaltimOrioles%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Noel Schively <nschively@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Uggla is 29. He strikes out a lot - but has a pretty decent OBP.
> Given
> > > > the consistent ~30 HRs and 90RsBI o er 4 years despite BA, I'd take
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, November 12, 2009, Fang <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > First of all, ever notice that MacPhail is always "laying the
> > > groundwork?" Why can't he ever just make a deal and come home instead
> of
> > > torturing us Hot Stove fans?
> > > > >
> > > > > As for Uggla, he had a terrible year, no question. But this guy has
> > > some serious power and has been a decent enough for-average hitter in
> the
> > > past as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > The question is: was last year a signal to the beginning of the end
> for
> > > him, or just one of those years? (I wonder how old he is). And would a
> move
> > > to the AL be better or worse for him? And don't forget that a trade
> means we
> > > have to send someone back; thus the term "trade". Who would that be?
> > > > >
> > > > > But all in all, since MacPhail loves to roll the dice on people,
> I'd
> > > rather see him roll the dice on Uggla in a hearbeat - even at a higher
> cost
> > > - rather than some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've loved this guy for years. If he is anything close to what he
> was
> > > only two years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a
> great
> > > addition.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In
BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com<BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com><BaltimOrioles%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <javascript:_e({},
> > > 'cvml', 'BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com');>, sczepp@ wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground
> work
> > > for a trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd
> about
> > > as good as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his
> bat
> > > hitting 121 HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring
> > > multiple top prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed
> 150
> > > times. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/U/Dan-Uggla.shtml
> > > > >>
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The thing I don't likr about uggla. His offensive numbers are so good
because he is a 2b. Move him to 1b or 3b and he is kind of average.

But who knows maybe a move and his bat will get a little bit better as 3b
isn't as demanding. I wonder what it takes to get him

On Nov 12, 2009 1:32 PM, "Fang" <fang_guy@...> wrote:





Ok, you have successfully chased me away from Uggla, especially if he is
going to cost a lot. We cannot afford a poor defense. On the other hand, how
about DH? But how much do you pay for a DH?

I have no use for Garland, but I very much want Lackey, as I want a #1 guy.
Even way back when (this morning) wahen I was in love with Uggla, I would
still have taken Lackey since he's not only a pitcher, but a very good one
when he's healthy, which isn't often but often enough to matter.
Injury-wise, he's Jim Palmer, not Carl Pavano.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...> wrote: >


> >> Going to take more than Ray and Wiggy << >   > The Marlins consistently
and successfully go aft...

t a true cleanup hitter. > > > > There was a first baseman named Mike Jacobs
last year who hit 25-30...



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Ok, you have successfully chased me away from Uggla, especially if he is going
to cost a lot.  We cannot afford a poor defense.  On the other hand, how about
DH?  But how much do you pay for a DH?

I have no use for Garland, but I very much want Lackey, as I want a #1 guy. 
Even way back when (this morning) wahen I was in love with Uggla, I would still
have taken Lackey since he's not only a pitcher, but a very good one when he's
healthy, which isn't often but often enough to matter.  Injury-wise, he's Jim
Palmer, not Carl Pavano.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...> wrote:
>
> >> Going to take more than Ray and Wiggy <<
>  
> The Marlins consistently and successfully go after top prospects. When they
develop and approach big-money time, they trade them for more top prospects.
>  
> They burned the Cubs in the Juan Pierre trade by getting Nolasco, Pinto and
Mitre in return for a speedy guy that had no defense and absolutely no arm. 3rd
base coaches were needing to go thru Tommy John surgery after waving runners
around 3rd whenever the ball was hit to Pierre. The Cubs were just as desperate
for a leadoff man who plays CF as the O's seem to be about getting a 3rd
baseman.... which is scarey.
>  
> You can't stress defense enough up the middle and at 3rd & 1st base. Guys like
Uggla end up giving up as many runs as they generate over the course of a long
season.
>  
> It'll be interesting to see where this goes. I can see the O's spending to try
to get Lackey & Garland, but I can't see the O's giving up a couple of crown
jewels and expand the payroll to get Uggla.




t a true cleanup hitter.
> >
> > There was a first baseman named Mike Jacobs last year who hit 25-30 HRs
> > every year since forever, yet he was always below everyone's radar and KC
> > got him from Florida for a washed-up RP. I was pissed at the time (I didn't
> > even know he was available) and said so in here.
> >
> > Yet Florida got the last laugh over me (and KC) because it turned out that
> > Jacobs went from a 25 HR guy to a zero HR guy (assumedly) just by switching
> > leagues.
> >
> > Anyway, I don't know why I brought that up. If it's the change in leagues,
> > that can work for you as well as against you. And Uggla will get the
> > Baltimore version of a tickertape down Broadway. His newly healthy ego will
> > put him in a good mood before he swings a bat.
> >
> > You know what? This guy will likely swat more than a few regardless of
> > average and we should put on a full-court press. If he sucks, he sucks, but
> > at least we will have gone down swinging for once. And if there is ever a
> > time to trade for him, following last year is it. How about Chris Ray and
> > Wigginton with a conditional second player from them to us depending on
> > Wiggy's (and/or Uggla's) results?
> >
> > I know SF is after him, too, and they are never afraid to pull the switch,
> > so I feel we had better act swiftly or we won't act at all. I'll even go on
> > record as an Official Fang Proponent of any reasonable swap we can put
> > together to bring this guy to the Yards. But I fear that if we don't do it
> > by the end of this coming weekend, he will be gone.
> >
> > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Noel Schively <nschively@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Uggla is 29. He strikes out a lot - but has a pretty decent OBP. Given
> > > the consistent ~30 HRs and 90RsBI o er 4 years despite BA, I'd take
> > > it.
> > >
> > > On Thursday, November 12, 2009, Fang <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > First of all, ever notice that MacPhail is always "laying the
> > groundwork?" Why can't he ever just make a deal and come home instead of
> > torturing us Hot Stove fans?
> > > >
> > > > As for Uggla, he had a terrible year, no question. But this guy has
> > some serious power and has been a decent enough for-average hitter in the
> > past as well.
> > > >
> > > > The question is: was last year a signal to the beginning of the end for
> > him, or just one of those years? (I wonder how old he is). And would a move
> > to the AL be better or worse for him? And don't forget that a trade means we
> > have to send someone back; thus the term "trade". Who would that be?
> > > >
> > > > But all in all, since MacPhail loves to roll the dice on people, I'd
> > rather see him roll the dice on Uggla in a hearbeat - even at a higher cost
> > - rather than some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.
> > > >
> > > > I've loved this guy for years. If he is anything close to what he was
> > only two years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a great
> > addition.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>
<javascript:_e({},
> > 'cvml', 'BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com');>, sczepp@ wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work
> > for a trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about
> > as good as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat
> > hitting 121 HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring
> > multiple top prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150
> > times. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/U/Dan-Uggla.shtml
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Noel Schively
> > > ===================
> > > www.mobtownplayers.com
> > >
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> >
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>
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>> Going to take more than Ray and Wiggy <<
 
The Marlins consistently and successfully go after top prospects. When they
develop and approach big-money time, they trade them for more top prospects.
 
They burned the Cubs in the Juan Pierre trade by getting Nolasco, Pinto and
Mitre in return for a speedy guy that had no defense and absolutely no arm. 3rd
base coaches were needing to go thru Tommy John surgery after waving runners
around 3rd whenever the ball was hit to Pierre. The Cubs were just as desperate
for a leadoff man who plays CF as the O's seem to be about getting a 3rd
baseman.... which is scarey.
 
You can't stress defense enough up the middle and at 3rd & 1st base. Guys like
Uggla end up giving up as many runs as they generate over the course of a long
season.
 
It'll be interesting to see where this goes. I can see the O's spending to try
to get Lackey & Garland, but I can't see the O's giving up a couple of crown
jewels and expand the payroll to get Uggla.
--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Noel Schively <nschively@...> wrote:


From: Noel Schively <nschively@...>
Subject: Re: BaltimOrioles Re: Orioles to trade for Dan Uggla at Owners meeting
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 10:17 AM


He has played third in his career - approaching 1000 games at 2nd, 288? at
3rd.

He kicked Hanley Ramirez's ass because Ramirez wasn't trying to win....

Going to take more than Ray and Wiggy....

N.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Most sluggers strike out a lot. It sort of comes with the territory. And a
> case can be made that at 29. he might be hitting his stride, despite last
> year. (Although I would indeed like to know why what happened last year (a)
> happened at all, and (b) happened last year)!
>
> Also, BA in this guy is not as important as OPS. But here's one that needs
> answering - he has apparently never played 3B, yet everyone is assuming that
> he can play 3B. Why is this? Other concerns - how much does he make and how
> is he in the clubhouse? Also, he is probably not a true cleanup hitter.
>
> There was a first baseman named Mike Jacobs last year who hit 25-30 HRs
> every year since forever, yet he was always below everyone's radar and KC
> got him from Florida for a washed-up RP. I was pissed at the time (I didn't
> even know he was available) and said so in here.
>
> Yet Florida got the last laugh over me (and KC) because it turned out that
> Jacobs went from a 25 HR guy to a zero HR guy (assumedly) just by switching
> leagues.
>
> Anyway, I don't know why I brought that up. If it's the change in leagues,
> that can work for you as well as against you. And Uggla will get the
> Baltimore version of a tickertape down Broadway. His newly healthy ego will
> put him in a good mood before he swings a bat.
>
> You know what? This guy will likely swat more than a few regardless of
> average and we should put on a full-court press. If he sucks, he sucks, but
> at least we will have gone down swinging for once. And if there is ever a
> time to trade for him, following last year is it. How about Chris Ray and
> Wigginton with a conditional second player from them to us depending on
> Wiggy's (and/or Uggla's) results?
>
> I know SF is after him, too, and they are never afraid to pull the switch,
> so I feel we had better act swiftly or we won't act at all. I'll even go on
> record as an Official Fang Proponent of any reasonable swap we can put
> together to bring this guy to the Yards. But I fear that if we don't do it
> by the end of this coming weekend, he will be gone.
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Noel Schively <nschively@...> wrote:
> >
> > Uggla is 29. He strikes out a lot - but has a pretty decent OBP. Given
> > the consistent ~30 HRs and 90RsBI o er 4 years despite BA, I'd take
> > it.
> >
> > On Thursday, November 12, 2009, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > First of all, ever notice that MacPhail is always "laying the
> groundwork?" Why can't he ever just make a deal and come home instead of
> torturing us Hot Stove fans?
> > >
> > > As for Uggla, he had a terrible year, no question. But this guy has
> some serious power and has been a decent enough for-average hitter in the
> past as well.
> > >
> > > The question is: was last year a signal to the beginning of the end for
> him, or just one of those years? (I wonder how old he is). And would a move
> to the AL be better or worse for him? And don't forget that a trade means we
> have to send someone back; thus the term "trade". Who would that be?
> > >
> > > But all in all, since MacPhail loves to roll the dice on people, I'd
> rather see him roll the dice on Uggla in a hearbeat - even at a higher cost
> - rather than some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.
> > >
> > > I've loved this guy for years. If he is anything close to what he was
> only two years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a great
> addition.
> > >
> > > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>
<javascript:_e({},
> 'cvml', 'BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com');>, sczepp@ wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work
> for a trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about
> as good as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat
> hitting 121 HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring
> multiple top prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150
> times. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/U/Dan-Uggla.shtml
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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Wasnt that the rap on Mora, lil range at 2nd/SS so he was put in the OF,
Orioles put him at 3rd and whamo...

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yeah, I was going to ask about his defense, but that was before I heard about
his limited 3B experience.  I hadn't really thought about his 2B defense, which,
if lousy, can only get worse at third.
>
> As Scott correctly points out, we desperately need a strong defense
considering such a young and inexperienced pitching staff.  That doesn't keep me
from wanting Uggla, but it could alter what I am willing to pay.
>
>
>
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@> wrote:
> >
> > Uggla's a 2nd baseman with below average defense, range and speed. It would
be a gamble putting him at 3rd. He's kinda like a slow Luke Scott without a
glove.
> >  
> > The O's need pitching more than anything and would have to give up some
pretty good pitching prospects to get him. The Fish have an outstanding scouting
staff and know what they'd want from the O's in return. The big thing is if the
O's would be willing to give up those pitching prospects for Uggla.
> >  
> > Uggla doesn't excite me at 3rd. Wouldn't be a completely bad acquisition but
I think the O's can get by at 3rd with someone else if they concentrate more on
pitching and defense. With Markakis, Jones, Weiters and Roberts.... the urgency
isn't for someone to pound the ball all the time.... it's to keep other teams
from pounding the ball all the time and surrounding their pitching with good
defense.
>
>
>
>
> even at a higher cost - rather than some doofus Florida Marlin catching
reject.
> > >
> > > I've loved this guy for years.  If he is anything close to what he was
only two years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a great
addition.
> > >
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> > >>  Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work
for a trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about as
good as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat hitting
121 HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring multiple top
prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150 times.
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Yeah, I was going to ask about his defense, but that was before I heard about
his limited 3B experience.  I hadn't really thought about his 2B defense, which,
if lousy, can only get worse at third.

As Scott correctly points out, we desperately need a strong defense considering
such a young and inexperienced pitching staff.  That doesn't keep me from
wanting Uggla, but it could alter what I am willing to pay.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Scott Rendler <itzscott1@...> wrote:
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> Uggla's a 2nd baseman with below average defense, range and speed. It would be
a gamble putting him at 3rd. He's kinda like a slow Luke Scott without a glove.
>  
> The O's need pitching more than anything and would have to give up some pretty
good pitching prospects to get him. The Fish have an outstanding scouting staff
and know what they'd want from the O's in return. The big thing is if the O's
would be willing to give up those pitching prospects for Uggla.
>  
> Uggla doesn't excite me at 3rd. Wouldn't be a completely bad acquisition but I
think the O's can get by at 3rd with someone else if they concentrate more on
pitching and defense. With Markakis, Jones, Weiters and Roberts.... the urgency
isn't for someone to pound the ball all the time.... it's to keep other teams
from pounding the ball all the time and surrounding their pitching with good
defense.




even at a higher cost - rather than some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.
> >
> > I've loved this guy for years.  If he is anything close to what he was only
two years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a great addition.
> >
> > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com');>, sczepp@ wrote:
> >>
> >>  Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work for
a trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about as good
as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat hitting 121
HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring multiple top
prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150 times.
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He has played third in his career - approaching 1000 games at 2nd, 288? at
3rd.

He kicked Hanley Ramirez's ass because Ramirez wasn't trying to win....

Going to take more than Ray and Wiggy....

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:

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> Most sluggers strike out a lot. It sort of comes with the territory. And a
> case can be made that at 29. he might be hitting his stride, despite last
> year. (Although I would indeed like to know why what happened last year (a)
> happened at all, and (b) happened last year)!
>
> Also, BA in this guy is not as important as OPS. But here's one that needs
> answering - he has apparently never played 3B, yet everyone is assuming that
> he can play 3B. Why is this? Other concerns - how much does he make and how
> is he in the clubhouse? Also, he is probably not a true cleanup hitter.
>
> There was a first baseman named Mike Jacobs last year who hit 25-30 HRs
> every year since forever, yet he was always below everyone's radar and KC
> got him from Florida for a washed-up RP. I was pissed at the time (I didn't
> even know he was available) and said so in here.
>
> Yet Florida got the last laugh over me (and KC) because it turned out that
> Jacobs went from a 25 HR guy to a zero HR guy (assumedly) just by switching
> leagues.
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> Anyway, I don't know why I brought that up. If it's the change in leagues,
> that can work for you as well as against you. And Uggla will get the
> Baltimore version of a tickertape down Broadway. His newly healthy ego will
> put him in a good mood before he swings a bat.
>
> You know what? This guy will likely swat more than a few regardless of
> average and we should put on a full-court press. If he sucks, he sucks, but
> at least we will have gone down swinging for once. And if there is ever a
> time to trade for him, following last year is it. How about Chris Ray and
> Wigginton with a conditional second player from them to us depending on
> Wiggy's (and/or Uggla's) results?
>
> I know SF is after him, too, and they are never afraid to pull the switch,
> so I feel we had better act swiftly or we won't act at all. I'll even go on
> record as an Official Fang Proponent of any reasonable swap we can put
> together to bring this guy to the Yards. But I fear that if we don't do it
> by the end of this coming weekend, he will be gone.
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Noel Schively <nschively@...> wrote:
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> > Uggla is 29. He strikes out a lot - but has a pretty decent OBP. Given
> > the consistent ~30 HRs and 90RsBI o er 4 years despite BA, I'd take
> > it.
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> torturing us Hot Stove fans?
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> > > As for Uggla, he had a terrible year, no question. But this guy has
> some serious power and has been a decent enough for-average hitter in the
> past as well.
> > >
> > > The question is: was last year a signal to the beginning of the end for
> him, or just one of those years? (I wonder how old he is). And would a move
> to the AL be better or worse for him? And don't forget that a trade means we
> have to send someone back; thus the term "trade". Who would that be?
> > >
> > > But all in all, since MacPhail loves to roll the dice on people, I'd
> rather see him roll the dice on Uggla in a hearbeat - even at a higher cost
> - rather than some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.
> > >
> > > I've loved this guy for years. If he is anything close to what he was
> only two years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a great
> addition.
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> > > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > >> Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work
> for a trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about
> as good as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat
> hitting 121 HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring
> multiple top prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150
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Most sluggers strike out a lot.  It sort of comes with the territory.  And a
case can be made that at 29. he might be hitting his stride, despite last year. 
(Although I would indeed like to know why what happened last year (a) happened
at all, and (b) happened  last year)!

Also, BA in this guy is not as important as OPS.  But here's one that needs
answering - he has apparently never played 3B, yet everyone is assuming that he
can play 3B.  Why is this?  Other concerns - how much does he make and how is he
in the clubhouse?  Also, he is probably not a true cleanup hitter.

There was a first baseman named Mike Jacobs last year who hit 25-30 HRs every
year since forever, yet he was always below everyone's radar and KC got him from
Florida for a washed-up RP.  I was pissed at the time (I didn't even know he was
available) and said so in here.

Yet Florida got the last laugh over me (and KC) because it turned out that
Jacobs went from a 25 HR guy to a zero HR guy (assumedly) just by switching
leagues.

Anyway, I don't know why I brought that up.  If it's the change in leagues, that
can work for you as well as against you.  And Uggla will get the Baltimore
version of a tickertape down Broadway.  His newly healthy ego will put him in a
good mood before he swings a bat.

You know what?  This guy will likely swat more than a few regardless of average
and we should put on a full-court press.  If he sucks, he sucks, but at least we
will have gone down swinging for once.  And if there is ever a time to trade for
him, following last year is it.  How about Chris Ray and Wigginton with a
conditional second player from them to us depending on Wiggy's (and/or Uggla's)
results?

I know SF is after him, too, and they are never afraid to pull the switch, so I
feel we had better act swiftly or we won't act at all.  I'll even go on record
as an Official Fang Proponent of any reasonable swap we can put together to
bring this guy to the Yards.  But I fear that if we don't do it by the end of
this coming weekend, he will be gone.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Noel Schively <nschively@...> wrote:
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> Uggla is 29. He strikes out a lot - but has a pretty decent OBP. Given
> the consistent ~30 HRs and 90RsBI o er 4 years despite BA, I'd take
> it.
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> On Thursday, November 12, 2009, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:
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Why can't he ever just make a deal and come home instead of torturing us Hot
Stove fans?
> >
> > As for Uggla, he had a terrible year, no question.  But this guy has some
serious power and has been a decent enough for-average hitter in the past as
well.
> >
> > The question is: was last year a signal to the beginning of the end for him,
or just one of those years?  (I wonder how old he is).  And would a move to the
AL be better or worse for him?  And don't forget that a trade means we have to
send someone back; thus the term "trade".  Who would that be?
> >
> > But all in all, since MacPhail loves to roll the dice on people, I'd rather
see him roll the dice on Uggla in a hearbeat - even at a higher cost - rather
than some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.
> >
> > I've loved this guy for years.  If he is anything close to what he was only
two years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a great addition.
> >
> > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com');>, sczepp@ wrote:
> >>
> >>  Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work for
a trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about as good
as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat hitting 121
HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring multiple top
prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150 times.
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Uggla's a 2nd baseman with below average defense, range and speed. It would be a
gamble putting him at 3rd. He's kinda like a slow Luke Scott without a glove.
 
The O's need pitching more than anything and would have to give up some pretty
good pitching prospects to get him. The Fish have an outstanding scouting staff
and know what they'd want from the O's in return. The big thing is if the O's
would be willing to give up those pitching prospects for Uggla.
 
Uggla doesn't excite me at 3rd. Wouldn't be a completely bad acquisition but I
think the O's can get by at 3rd with someone else if they concentrate more on
pitching and defense. With Markakis, Jones, Weiters and Roberts.... the urgency
isn't for someone to pound the ball all the time.... it's to keep other teams
from pounding the ball all the time and surrounding their pitching with good
defense.

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Noel Schively <nschively@...> wrote:


From: Noel Schively <nschively@...>
Subject: Re: BaltimOrioles Re: Orioles to trade for Dan Uggla at Owners meeting
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:10 AM


Uggla is 29. He strikes out a lot - but has a pretty decent OBP. Given
the consistent ~30 HRs and 90RsBI o er 4 years despite BA, I'd take
it.

On Thursday, November 12, 2009, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:
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Why can't he ever just make a deal and come home instead of torturing us Hot
Stove fans?
>
> As for Uggla, he had a terrible year, no question.  But this guy has some
serious power and has been a decent enough for-average hitter in the past as
well.
>
> The question is: was last year a signal to the beginning of the end for him,
or just one of those years?  (I wonder how old he is).  And would a move to the
AL be better or worse for him?  And don't forget that a trade means we have to
send someone back; thus the term "trade".  Who would that be?
>
> But all in all, since MacPhail loves to roll the dice on people, I'd rather
see him roll the dice on Uggla in a hearbeat - even at a higher cost - rather
than some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.
>
> I've loved this guy for years.  If he is anything close to what he was only
two years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a great addition.
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com');>, sczepp@... wrote:
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>>  Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work for a
trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about as good
as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat hitting 121
HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring multiple top
prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150 times.
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Uggla is 29. He strikes out a lot - but has a pretty decent OBP. Given
the consistent ~30 HRs and 90RsBI o er 4 years despite BA, I'd take
it.

On Thursday, November 12, 2009, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:
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> First of all, ever notice that MacPhail is always "laying the groundwork?" 
Why can't he ever just make a deal and come home instead of torturing us Hot
Stove fans?
>
> As for Uggla, he had a terrible year, no question.  But this guy has some
serious power and has been a decent enough for-average hitter in the past as
well.
>
> The question is: was last year a signal to the beginning of the end for him,
or just one of those years?  (I wonder how old he is).  And would a move to the
AL be better or worse for him?  And don't forget that a trade means we have to
send someone back; thus the term "trade".  Who would that be?
>
> But all in all, since MacPhail loves to roll the dice on people, I'd rather
see him roll the dice on Uggla in a hearbeat - even at a higher cost - rather
than some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.
>
> I've loved this guy for years.  If he is anything close to what he was only
two years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a great addition.
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com');>, sczepp@... wrote:
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>>  Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work for a
trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about as good
as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat hitting 121
HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring multiple top
prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150 times.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/U/Dan-Uggla.shtml
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First of all, ever notice that MacPhail is always "laying the groundwork?"  Why
can't he ever just make a deal and come home instead of torturing us Hot Stove
fans?

As for Uggla, he had a terrible year, no question.  But this guy has some
serious power and has been a decent enough for-average hitter in the past as
well.

The question is: was last year a signal to the beginning of the end for him, or
just one of those years?  (I wonder how old he is).  And would a move to the AL
be better or worse for him?  And don't forget that a trade means we have to send
someone back; thus the term "trade".  Who would that be?

But all in all, since MacPhail loves to roll the dice on people, I'd rather see
him roll the dice on Uggla in a hearbeat - even at a higher cost - rather than
some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.

I've loved this guy for years.  If he is anything close to what he was only two
years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a great addition.



--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, sczepp@... wrote:
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>  Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work for a
trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about as good
as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat hitting 121
HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring multiple top
prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150 times.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/U/Dan-Uggla.shtml
>

I was suppose to put a ? mark after the post header, sorry fo any confusion.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, sczepp@... wrote:
>
>  Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work for a
trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about as good
as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat hitting 121
HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring multiple top
prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150 times.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/U/Dan-Uggla.shtml
>

It's a money deal, as both are underpaid.  We have nobody of similar salary to
offer them without tapping into the Kiddie Corps, which is out of the question. 
Besides, I think I'd rather have Sherrill back than Jackson.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "joes06" <kingjoey@...> wrote:
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> If Jackson is available fr the price of Sherril,we should be all over it with
a better offer. Notsure what happened down te stretch with Jackson but he was
lights out for most of the season.I'm thinking he was a revived Tampa Bay
reject.I can't figure out why the Tigers have soured on him,their starters are
pretty thin.
>
> McPhail is going to scrounge through the non tendered before he does
anything.Some people are saying they'd actually be content with Koji as the
closer next year. What are they smoking? he can't pitch back to back days and
could go on the DL after sneezing. this would be totally stupid.
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "ignacy_2000" <ignacy_2000@> wrote:
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> > I wonna womit:
> >
> > "The Dodgers have some interest in Tigers starter Edwin Jackson, who is
available. But one source with knowledge of the teams' positions said the sides
haven't discussed a trade of Jackson for reliever George Sherrill. Still, a
1-for-1 trade of those players might ultimately make sense for both clubs. A big
reason: Sherrill ($2.75 million) and Jackson ($2.2 million) earned very similar
base salaries in salary arbitration this year
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Lol.  Hey, you wanna rid the world of al Qaeda?  Start signing a few of their
kids as MLB prospects.  You'll see how fast we steal their young when their
parents have to pick between the regular Allah or the Almighty Green Allah.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "ignacy_2000" <ignacy_2000@...> wrote:
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> Who's this Teizeira guy?  Or is he being confused with Al Jazeera, the up and
coming minor league 3bman?
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MacPhail intends to build through the draft, and he might very well be right.
>

Why the vomit?  Seems like a reasonable deal to me.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "ignacy_2000" <ignacy_2000@...> wrote:
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> I wonna womit:
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> "The Dodgers have some interest in Tigers starter Edwin Jackson, who is
available. But one source with knowledge of the teams' positions said the sides
haven't discussed a trade of Jackson for reliever George Sherrill. Still, a
1-for-1 trade of those players might ultimately make sense for both clubs. A big
reason: Sherrill ($2.75 million) and Jackson ($2.2 million) earned very similar
base salaries in salary arbitration this year
>

Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work for a
trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about as good
as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat hitting 121
HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring multiple top
prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150 times.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/U/Dan-Uggla.shtml

hy do the O's continue to scarpe the barrel for players and expect the overall
team to get better. Admittingly the back up catcher doens't mean all that much
but still this kind of appraoch will spill over into other positions.I guess
Chad Moeller's mentor days are over.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
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> If they move Matt to 1B, they have an all-star in the wings!!
> --------------------------------------------------------------
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> O's sign minor league catcher
> Michel Hernandez, 31, played 35 games for Rays in 2009
> 8:24 p.m. EST, November 10, 2009
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> The Orioles on Tuesday signed minor league free agent catcher Michel
Hernandez, who played in 35 games for the Tampa Bay Rays last season, batting
.242 with a homer and 12 RBIs. He was 9-for-46 (.196) with six RBIs in 55 games
with Triple-A Durham in 2009.
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> Hernandez, 31, will be one of a handful of catchers the Orioles invite to
spring training to compete for the backup job behind Matt Wieters.
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Right and even the original author was posturing. I mean I think his main
reason for it making sense was salary.

On Nov 12, 2009 6:31 AM, "joes06" <kingjoey@...> wrote:



If Jackson is available fr the price of Sherril,we should be all over it
with a better offer. Notsure what happened down te stretch with Jackson but
he was lights out for most of the season.I'm thinking he was a revived Tampa
Bay reject.I can't figure out why the Tigers have soured on him,their
starters are pretty thin.

McPhail is going to scrounge through the non tendered before he does
anything.Some people are saying they'd actually be content with Koji as the
closer next year. What are they smoking? he can't pitch back to back days
and could go on the DL after sneezing. this would be totally stupid.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
"ignacy_2000" <ignacy_2000@...> wrote:
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> I wonna womit:
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> "The Dodgers have some interest in Tigers starter Edwin Jackson, who is
available. But one source with knowledge of the teams' positions said the
sides haven't discussed a trade of Jackson for reliever George Sherrill.
Still, a 1-for-1 trade of those players might ultimately make sense for both
clubs. A big reason: Sherrill ($2.75 million) and Jackson ($2.2 million)
earned very similar base salaries in salary arbitration this year
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If Jackson is available fr the price of Sherril,we should be all over it with a
better offer. Notsure what happened down te stretch with Jackson but he was
lights out for most of the season.I'm thinking he was a revived Tampa Bay
reject.I can't figure out why the Tigers have soured on him,their starters are
pretty thin.

McPhail is going to scrounge through the non tendered before he does
anything.Some people are saying they'd actually be content with Koji as the
closer next year. What are they smoking? he can't pitch back to back days and
could go on the DL after sneezing. this would be totally stupid.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "ignacy_2000" <ignacy_2000@...> wrote:
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> I wonna womit:
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> "The Dodgers have some interest in Tigers starter Edwin Jackson, who is
available. But one source with knowledge of the teams' positions said the sides
haven't discussed a trade of Jackson for reliever George Sherrill. Still, a
1-for-1 trade of those players might ultimately make sense for both clubs. A big
reason: Sherrill ($2.75 million) and Jackson ($2.2 million) earned very similar
base salaries in salary arbitration this year
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Whats the stats on Jackson? Whats his story?

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Steve James <deafhearingdudeinmd@...>
wrote:
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> How interesting it would be for the Dodgers to get Jackson considering they
were the ones that drafted him in the first place!
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> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, ignacy_2000 <ignacy_2000@...> wrote:
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> From: ignacy_2000 <ignacy_2000@...>
> Subject: BaltimOrioles sherrill for edwin jackson?
> To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 5:30 PM
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> I wonna womit:
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> "The Dodgers have some interest in Tigers starter Edwin Jackson, who is
available. But one source with knowledge of the teams' positions said the sides
haven't discussed a trade of Jackson for reliever George Sherrill. Still, a
1-for-1 trade of those players might ultimately make sense for both clubs. A big
reason: Sherrill ($2.75 million) and Jackson ($2.2 million) earned very similar
base salaries in salary arbitration this year
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