Uggla is 29. He strikes out a lot - but has a pretty decent OBP. Given
the consistent ~30 HRs and 90RsBI o er 4 years despite BA, I'd take
it.

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serious power and has been a decent enough for-average hitter in the past as
well.
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or just one of those years?  (I wonder how old he is).  And would a move to the
AL be better or worse for him?  And don't forget that a trade means we have to
send someone back; thus the term "trade".  Who would that be?
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see him roll the dice on Uggla in a hearbeat - even at a higher cost - rather
than some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.
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two years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a great addition.
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trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about as good
as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat hitting 121
HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring multiple top
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First of all, ever notice that MacPhail is always "laying the groundwork?"  Why
can't he ever just make a deal and come home instead of torturing us Hot Stove
fans?

As for Uggla, he had a terrible year, no question.  But this guy has some
serious power and has been a decent enough for-average hitter in the past as
well.

The question is: was last year a signal to the beginning of the end for him, or
just one of those years?  (I wonder how old he is).  And would a move to the AL
be better or worse for him?  And don't forget that a trade means we have to send
someone back; thus the term "trade".  Who would that be?

But all in all, since MacPhail loves to roll the dice on people, I'd rather see
him roll the dice on Uggla in a hearbeat - even at a higher cost - rather than
some doofus Florida Marlin catching reject.

I've loved this guy for years.  If he is anything close to what he was only two
years ago, this dude is one serious hitter and would be a great addition.



--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, sczepp@... wrote:
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>  Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work for a
trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about as good
as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat hitting 121
HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring multiple top
prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150 times.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/U/Dan-Uggla.shtml
>

I was suppose to put a ? mark after the post header, sorry fo any confusion.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, sczepp@... wrote:
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>  Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work for a
trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about as good
as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat hitting 121
HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring multiple top
prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150 times.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/U/Dan-Uggla.shtml
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It's a money deal, as both are underpaid.  We have nobody of similar salary to
offer them without tapping into the Kiddie Corps, which is out of the question. 
Besides, I think I'd rather have Sherrill back than Jackson.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "joes06" <kingjoey@...> wrote:
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> If Jackson is available fr the price of Sherril,we should be all over it with
a better offer. Notsure what happened down te stretch with Jackson but he was
lights out for most of the season.I'm thinking he was a revived Tampa Bay
reject.I can't figure out why the Tigers have soured on him,their starters are
pretty thin.
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> McPhail is going to scrounge through the non tendered before he does
anything.Some people are saying they'd actually be content with Koji as the
closer next year. What are they smoking? he can't pitch back to back days and
could go on the DL after sneezing. this would be totally stupid.
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> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "ignacy_2000" <ignacy_2000@> wrote:
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> > I wonna womit:
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> > "The Dodgers have some interest in Tigers starter Edwin Jackson, who is
available. But one source with knowledge of the teams' positions said the sides
haven't discussed a trade of Jackson for reliever George Sherrill. Still, a
1-for-1 trade of those players might ultimately make sense for both clubs. A big
reason: Sherrill ($2.75 million) and Jackson ($2.2 million) earned very similar
base salaries in salary arbitration this year
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Lol.  Hey, you wanna rid the world of al Qaeda?  Start signing a few of their
kids as MLB prospects.  You'll see how fast we steal their young when their
parents have to pick between the regular Allah or the Almighty Green Allah.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "ignacy_2000" <ignacy_2000@...> wrote:
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> Who's this Teizeira guy?  Or is he being confused with Al Jazeera, the up and
coming minor league 3bman?
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>   Unless it's Teizeira or Arod or someone else who is the absolute best,
MacPhail intends to build through the draft, and he might very well be right.
>

Why the vomit?  Seems like a reasonable deal to me.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "ignacy_2000" <ignacy_2000@...> wrote:
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> I wonna womit:
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> "The Dodgers have some interest in Tigers starter Edwin Jackson, who is
available. But one source with knowledge of the teams' positions said the sides
haven't discussed a trade of Jackson for reliever George Sherrill. Still, a
1-for-1 trade of those players might ultimately make sense for both clubs. A big
reason: Sherrill ($2.75 million) and Jackson ($2.2 million) earned very similar
base salaries in salary arbitration this year
>

Word is the Orioles at the GM meetings this week laid the ground work for a
trade for Marlins IF Dan Uggla. Uggla who plays 2nd can play 3rd about as good
as he can play 2nd and had a strong arm. Uggla has pop to his bat hitting 121
HR's in 4 seasons but whats holding him back from requiring multiple top
prospects in a trade he hit only .243 last season and K'ed 150 times.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/U/Dan-Uggla.shtml

hy do the O's continue to scarpe the barrel for players and expect the overall
team to get better. Admittingly the back up catcher doens't mean all that much
but still this kind of appraoch will spill over into other positions.I guess
Chad Moeller's mentor days are over.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
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> If they move Matt to 1B, they have an all-star in the wings!!
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> O's sign minor league catcher
> Michel Hernandez, 31, played 35 games for Rays in 2009
> 8:24 p.m. EST, November 10, 2009
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> The Orioles on Tuesday signed minor league free agent catcher Michel
Hernandez, who played in 35 games for the Tampa Bay Rays last season, batting
.242 with a homer and 12 RBIs. He was 9-for-46 (.196) with six RBIs in 55 games
with Triple-A Durham in 2009.
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Right and even the original author was posturing. I mean I think his main
reason for it making sense was salary.

On Nov 12, 2009 6:31 AM, "joes06" <kingjoey@...> wrote:



If Jackson is available fr the price of Sherril,we should be all over it
with a better offer. Notsure what happened down te stretch with Jackson but
he was lights out for most of the season.I'm thinking he was a revived Tampa
Bay reject.I can't figure out why the Tigers have soured on him,their
starters are pretty thin.

McPhail is going to scrounge through the non tendered before he does
anything.Some people are saying they'd actually be content with Koji as the
closer next year. What are they smoking? he can't pitch back to back days
and could go on the DL after sneezing. this would be totally stupid.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
"ignacy_2000" <ignacy_2000@...> wrote:
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> I wonna womit:
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> "The Dodgers have some interest in Tigers starter Edwin Jackson, who is
available. But one source with knowledge of the teams' positions said the
sides haven't discussed a trade of Jackson for reliever George Sherrill.
Still, a 1-for-1 trade of those players might ultimately make sense for both
clubs. A big reason: Sherrill ($2.75 million) and Jackson ($2.2 million)
earned very similar base salaries in salary arbitration this year
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If Jackson is available fr the price of Sherril,we should be all over it with a
better offer. Notsure what happened down te stretch with Jackson but he was
lights out for most of the season.I'm thinking he was a revived Tampa Bay
reject.I can't figure out why the Tigers have soured on him,their starters are
pretty thin.

McPhail is going to scrounge through the non tendered before he does
anything.Some people are saying they'd actually be content with Koji as the
closer next year. What are they smoking? he can't pitch back to back days and
could go on the DL after sneezing. this would be totally stupid.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "ignacy_2000" <ignacy_2000@...> wrote:
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> I wonna womit:
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> "The Dodgers have some interest in Tigers starter Edwin Jackson, who is
available. But one source with knowledge of the teams' positions said the sides
haven't discussed a trade of Jackson for reliever George Sherrill. Still, a
1-for-1 trade of those players might ultimately make sense for both clubs. A big
reason: Sherrill ($2.75 million) and Jackson ($2.2 million) earned very similar
base salaries in salary arbitration this year
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Whats the stats on Jackson? Whats his story?

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Steve James <deafhearingdudeinmd@...>
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> To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 5:30 PM
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available. But one source with knowledge of the teams' positions said the sides
haven't discussed a trade of Jackson for reliever George Sherrill. Still, a
1-for-1 trade of those players might ultimately make sense for both clubs. A big
reason: Sherrill ($2.75 million) and Jackson ($2.2 million) earned very similar
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How interesting it would be for the Dodgers to get Jackson considering they were
the ones that drafted him in the first place!

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From: ignacy_2000 <ignacy_2000@...>
Subject: BaltimOrioles sherrill for edwin jackson?
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 5:30 PM


I wonna womit:

"The Dodgers have some interest in Tigers starter Edwin Jackson, who is
available. But one source with knowledge of the teams' positions said the sides
haven't discussed a trade of Jackson for reliever George Sherrill. Still, a
1-for-1 trade of those players might ultimately make sense for both clubs. A big
reason: Sherrill ($2.75 million) and Jackson ($2.2 million) earned very similar
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Who's this Teizeira guy?  Or is he being confused with Al Jazeera, the up and
coming minor league 3bman?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

   Unless it's Teizeira or Arod or someone else who is the absolute best,
MacPhail intends to build through the draft, and he might very well be right.

I wonna womit:

"The Dodgers have some interest in Tigers starter Edwin Jackson, who is
available. But one source with knowledge of the teams' positions said the sides
haven't discussed a trade of Jackson for reliever George Sherrill. Still, a
1-for-1 trade of those players might ultimately make sense for both clubs. A big
reason: Sherrill ($2.75 million) and Jackson ($2.2 million) earned very similar
base salaries in salary arbitration this year

True.  The flip side of the catcher coin is that first basemen grow on trees,
but there are maybe half a dozen really good catchers in the majors at any given
time, if that.  And I would dare to say that almost every team in the playoffs
has one of those few good ones.  And Wieters is likely going to be better than
any of them.

I try not to delve into hyperbole too often, but I think Wieters will be a Hall
of Famer in the Yogi Berra / Johnny Bench / Mickey Cochrane class of player.  He
is going to be great, maybe the greatest catcher ever, and we don't want to dick
around with his position too much and screw everything up if it's going to throw
him off his stride.




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> You could be right although I still have a feeling he will be a more elite
catcher than he would an above average first baseman. Also keep in mind that it
was his first season getting called up and even though he had a slow start, if
you look at each stop in the minors he always had a slow start and ended up
hitting well. I'd like to see what he can do with a full season in Pigtown.





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> Subject: Re: BaltimOrioles No sooner asked than answered
> To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:33 PM
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thinks he is going to be a superstar, and since catcher is a pretty tough
position in which to stay healthy on a regular basis, people tend to look for
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catcher during the second half of the season in throwing runners out at second
base? That's not something you can just teach a catcher, it's also instinct. I
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You could be right although I still have a feeling he will be a more elite
catcher than he would an above average first baseman. Also keep in mind that it
was his first season getting called up and even though he had a slow start, if
you look at each stop in the minors he always had a slow start and ended up
hitting well. I'd like to see what he can do with a full season in Pigtown.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:


From: Fang <fang_guy@...>
Subject: Re: BaltimOrioles No sooner asked than answered
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:33 PM




I think Matt might be a victim of his own success, Stephen.  Since everyone
thinks he is going to be a superstar, and since catcher is a pretty tough
position in which to stay healthy on a regular basis, people tend to look for
ways of moving him to a safer position.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Steve James <deafhearingdudeinmd@...>
wrote:
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> I think moving Matt to first would be a bad call. Wasn't he a top 3 or 5
catcher during the second half of the season in throwing runners out at second
base? That's not something you can just teach a catcher, it's also instinct. I
would like to see if maybe Reimold might be able to move to first.




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I think Matt might be a victim of his own success, Stephen.  Since everyone
thinks he is going to be a superstar, and since catcher is a pretty tough
position in which to stay healthy on a regular basis, people tend to look for
ways of moving him to a safer position.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Steve James <deafhearingdudeinmd@...>
wrote:
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> I think moving Matt to first would be a bad call. Wasn't he a top 3 or 5
catcher during the second half of the season in throwing runners out at second
base? That's not something you can just teach a catcher, it's also instinct. I
would like to see if maybe Reimold might be able to move to first.




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I think moving Matt to first would be a bad call. Wasn't he a top 3 or 5 catcher
during the second half of the season in throwing runners out at second base?
That's not something you can just teach a catcher, it's also instinct. I would
like to see if maybe Reimold might be able to move to first.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:


From: Fang <fang_guy@...>
Subject: Re: BaltimOrioles No sooner asked than answered
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 1:11 PM







Actually, look for Moeller to indeed be back.  This is mostly "move Matt to
first" talk, which is not going to happen, at least not this year.  But both the
coaches and the staff loved Moeller, and he can hit as good or better than most
of the other catcher bums, so I'm thinking that they are bringing in a bunch of
potential backup catchers under the "Well, you never know" rule that Andy loves
so much, but will wind up sticking with Moeller.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Steve James <deafhearingdudeinmd@...>
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Guerlimo Rodriguez wont be back on the 40 man or with Norfolk as he turned down
his DFA.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
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first" talk, which is not going to happen, at least not this year.  But both the
coaches and the staff loved Moeller, and he can hit as good or better than most
of the other catcher bums, so I'm thinking that they are bringing in a bunch of
potential backup catchers under the "Well, you never know" rule that Andy loves
so much, but will wind up sticking with Moeller.
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Actually, look for Moeller to indeed be back.  This is mostly "move Matt to
first" talk, which is not going to happen, at least not this year.  But both the
coaches and the staff loved Moeller, and he can hit as good or better than most
of the other catcher bums, so I'm thinking that they are bringing in a bunch of
potential backup catchers under the "Well, you never know" rule that Andy loves
so much, but will wind up sticking with Moeller.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Steve James <deafhearingdudeinmd@...>
wrote:
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> I'm guessing this means that Moeller won't be back?




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I'm guessing this means that Moeller won't be back?

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:


From: Fang <fang_guy@...>
Subject: BaltimOrioles No sooner asked than answered
To: BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:36 AM


If they move Matt to 1B, they have an all-star in the wings!!
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O's sign minor league catcher
Michel Hernandez, 31, played 35 games for Rays in 2009
8:24 p.m. EST, November 10, 2009

The Orioles on Tuesday signed minor league free agent catcher Michel Hernandez,
who played in 35 games for the Tampa Bay Rays last season, batting .242 with a
homer and 12 RBIs. He was 9-for-46 (.196) with six RBIs in 55 games with
Triple-A Durham in 2009.

Hernandez, 31, will be one of a handful of catchers the Orioles invite to spring
training to compete for the backup job behind Matt Wieters.

- Jeff Zrebiec




Again
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Joseph who was with Frederick is a very good catcher although Weiters is a
superb catcher,Joseph will make into the MLB in 2-3 seasons. Joseph's backup in
Frderick, was Weiters backup in college and he hit very well for Frederick.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
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> If they move Matt to 1B, they have an all-star in the wings!!
> --------------------------------------------------------------
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> O's sign minor league catcher
> Michel Hernandez, 31, played 35 games for Rays in 2009
> 8:24 p.m. EST, November 10, 2009
>
> The Orioles on Tuesday signed minor league free agent catcher Michel
Hernandez, who played in 35 games for the Tampa Bay Rays last season, batting
.242 with a homer and 12 RBIs. He was 9-for-46 (.196) with six RBIs in 55 games
with Triple-A Durham in 2009.
>
> Hernandez, 31, will be one of a handful of catchers the Orioles invite to
spring training to compete for the backup job behind Matt Wieters.
>
> - Jeff Zrebiec
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> Again
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I  just hope he is not another Henn.

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From: joes06 <kingjoey@...>
To: <BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: BaltimOrioles Re: 17.18 MLB ERA -- well, maybe he plays third base, too

This is exactly the kind of lightening in a bottle player that McPhail worships.
if he succeeds he'll get credit for being a genius ,if he fails,it'll be a low
risk move that didn't cost us anything.Having an 18 ERA against the worst team
in baseball doesn't bother McPhail one bit after all he blew away the Toledo
Mudhens.McPhail sets himself up for a self fufilling phropecy.He gets scrubs
then says we're not close enough to by big free agents.I see idiot fans now
saying 2012 might be the competing year.Next year it'll go to 2013 and so
on.Claiming this guy means another player will be exposed to waivers before the
rule 5 draft or one less protected player.

It wouldn't surprise me though to see them sign Delgado. Think about it,it won't
block Snyder because he'll spend half his time on the DL.

They could also sign Varatek and move Weiters to first which I wouldn't have a
problem with.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
>
> Check out this guy's stats against the O's.  I can see where his first MLB
performance, against the Orioles, would have impressed the hell out of MacPhail.
Worst pick of all time, except for Suggs.  Or Glenn Davis.  Or Zepp's fantasy
football wide receivers.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> O's claim righty Gabino off waivers from Twins
>
> He appeared in two games with Minnesota in 2009, went 6-4 with a 2.94 ERA at
Triple-A
>
> The Orioles on Monday claimed right-handed pitcher Armando Gabino off waivers
from the Minnesota Twins, leaving them with 34 players on their 40-man roster.
Gabino, 26, went 6-4 with three saves in a 38 games (seven starts) for Triple-A
Rochester in 2009, and had a 17.18 ERA in two appearances for the Twins. He made
his major league debut against the Orioles on Aug. 25, allowing four earned
runs, five hits and three walks in 2 2/3 innings while getting a no decision in
the Twins' 7-6 victory.
>
> Third baseman Melvin Mora was classified as a Type B free agent, but that's
essentially a moot point because the Orioles have no interest in offering him
arbitration, a necessary step for getting draft-pick compensation for the
player. Relievers Danys Baez and Mark Hendrickson, who are free agents after
playing for the Orioles last season, didn't get either Type A or Type B
classification.
>
> -- Jeff Zrebiec
>




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O's sign minor league catcher
Michel Hernandez, 31, played 35 games for Rays in 2009
8:24 p.m. EST, November 10, 2009

The Orioles on Tuesday signed minor league free agent catcher Michel Hernandez,
who played in 35 games for the Tampa Bay Rays last season, batting .242 with a
homer and 12 RBIs. He was 9-for-46 (.196) with six RBIs in 55 games with
Triple-A Durham in 2009.

Hernandez, 31, will be one of a handful of catchers the Orioles invite to spring
training to compete for the backup job behind Matt Wieters.

- Jeff Zrebiec




Again
Start your own thread

We have like 34 on the 40 man....

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Fang <fang_guy@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I agree with all of this, Dr, J. MacPhail does love this sort of aquisition
> becasue he can't lose. If the guy turns out, he's a genius. If not, the deal
> is forgotten in ten minutes.
>
> One thing you said bothers me - does this guy automatically become a part
> of the 40-man roster? The O's actually have a minor league system now, and I
> would really like to protect as many of them as I can. If we lose one now,
> then this deal kind of becomes our own Rule-5 snatch, albeit without being
> forced to keep him on the team all year. That means this kid had better be
> better than the kid we lose or we got taken.
>
> I really see no point in Delgado (if he's any good, they'll just wind up
> trading him in July anyway), although I would love to have Varitek,
> regardless of how they use him and regardless of his age. He's be great for
> the club. I think they really missed Kevin Millar last year on the chemistry
> side of the coin. And I agree that it would be really cool if they could
> turn Wieters into a 1B, although we passed up a chance to draft Buster Posey
> and I don't know if we have another catcher in the system.
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "joes06" <kingjoey@...> wrote:
> >
> > This is exactly the kind of lightening in a bottle player that McPhail
> worships. if he succeeds he'll get credit for being a genius ,if he
> fails,it'll be a low risk move that didn't cost us anything.Having an 18 ERA
> against the worst team in baseball doesn't bother McPhail one bit after all
> he blew away the Toledo Mudhens.McPhail sets himself up for a self fufilling
> phropecy.He gets scrubs then says we're not close enough to by big free
> agents.I see idiot fans now saying 2012 might be the competing year.Next
> year it'll go to 2013 and so on.Claiming this guy means another player will
> be exposed to waivers before the rule 5 draft or one less protected player.
> >
> > It wouldn't surprise me though to see them sign Delgado. Think about
> it,it won't block Snyder because he'll spend half his time on the DL.
> >
> > They could also sign Varatek and move Weiters to first which I wouldn't
> have a problem with.
>
> season, didn't get either Type A or Type B classification.
> > >
> > > -- Jeff Zrebiec
> > >
> >
>
>
>



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Don't you love how they give scores in the Scouting Report without any legend
telling you what it means?

In other words, he got a 54 score for his 'Control'.  Is that good?  Is that
bad?  Somewhere in between?  These numbers are meaningless unless there is
something to which we can compare it.




--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, sczepp@... wrote:
>
>  Folks in the scout room wholive in Rochester are saying this is a good move,
there was just no room for this guy in almost a Guthrie like move, low risk, we
will see how he reacts. At the least he is a long relief pitcher who can spot
start. The bullpen make no mistakes about it needs attention and this is not a
bad move.  http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Armando-Gabino.shtml




rotected player.
> >
> > It wouldn't surprise me though to see them sign Delgado. Think about it,it
won't block Snyder because he'll spend half his time on the DL.
> >
> > They could also sign Varatek and move Weiters to first which I wouldn't have
a problem with.
> >
> > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Check out this guy's stats against the O's.  I can see where his first MLB
performance, against the Orioles, would have impressed the hell out of MacPhail.
Worst pick of all time, except for Suggs.  Or Glenn Davis.  Or Zepp's fantasy
football wide receivers.
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > O's claim righty Gabino off waivers from Twins
> > >
> > > He appeared in two games with Minnesota in 2009, went 6-4 with a 2.94 ERA
at Triple-A
> > >
> > > The Orioles on Monday claimed right-handed pitcher Armando Gabino off
waivers from the Minnesota Twins, leaving them with 34 players on their 40-man
roster. Gabino, 26, went 6-4 with three saves in a 38 games (seven starts) for
Triple-A Rochester in 2009, and had a 17.18 ERA in two appearances for the
Twins. He made his major league debut against the Orioles on Aug. 25, allowing
four earned runs, five hits and three walks in 2 2/3 innings while getting a no
decision in the Twins' 7-6 victory.
> > >
> > > Third baseman Melvin Mora was classified as a Type B free agent, but
that's essentially a moot point because the Orioles have no interest in offering
him arbitration, a necessary step for getting draft-pick compensation for the
player. Relievers Danys Baez and Mark Hendrickson, who are free agents after
playing for the Orioles last season, didn't get either Type A or Type B
classification.
> > >
> > > -- Jeff Zrebiec
> > >
> >
>

I agree with all of this, Dr, J.  MacPhail does love this sort of aquisition
becasue he can't lose.  If the guy turns out, he's a genius.  If not, the deal
is forgotten in ten minutes.

One thing you said bothers me - does this guy automatically become a part of the
40-man roster?  The O's actually have a minor league system now, and I would
really like to protect as many of them as I can.  If we lose one now, then this
deal kind of becomes our own Rule-5 snatch, albeit without being forced to keep
him on the team all year.  That means this kid had better be better than the kid
we lose or we got taken.

I really see no point in Delgado (if he's any good, they'll just wind up trading
him in July anyway), although I would love to have Varitek, regardless of how
they use him and regardless of his age.  He's be great for the club.  I think
they really missed Kevin Millar last year on the chemistry side of the coin. 
And I agree that it would be really cool if they could turn Wieters into a 1B,
although we passed up a chance to draft Buster Posey and I don't know if we have
another catcher in the system.






--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "joes06" <kingjoey@...> wrote:
>
> This is exactly the kind of lightening in a bottle player that McPhail
worships. if he succeeds he'll get credit for being a genius ,if he fails,it'll
be a low risk move that didn't cost us anything.Having an 18 ERA against the
worst team in baseball doesn't bother McPhail one bit after all he blew away the
Toledo Mudhens.McPhail sets himself up for a self fufilling phropecy.He gets
scrubs then says we're not close enough to by big free agents.I see idiot fans
now saying 2012 might be the competing year.Next year it'll go to 2013 and so
on.Claiming this guy means another player will be exposed to waivers before the
rule 5 draft or one less protected player.
>
> It wouldn't surprise me though to see them sign Delgado. Think about it,it
won't block Snyder because he'll spend half his time on the DL.
>
> They could also sign Varatek and move Weiters to first which I wouldn't have a
problem with.




  season, didn't get either Type A or Type B classification.
> >
> > -- Jeff Zrebiec
> >
>

Im not saying we go get him but he is not the injury filled player like some
think he is. He will be 38, if he wants a 1-2 year deal is it not worth it for a
team to ink him up? He will probably bat 255 with 25 HR 100 rbi in 2010, what he
does in 2011 is a different story.
  http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/D/Carlos-Delgado.shtml

Folks in the scout room wholive in Rochester are saying this is a good move,
there was just no room for this guy in almost a Guthrie like move, low risk, we
will see how he reacts. At the least he is a long relief pitcher who can spot
start. The bullpen make no mistakes about it needs attention and this is not a
bad move.  http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Armando-Gabino.shtml

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "joes06" <kingjoey@...> wrote:
>
> This is exactly the kind of lightening in a bottle player that McPhail
worships. if he succeeds he'll get credit for being a genius ,if he fails,it'll
be a low risk move that didn't cost us anything.Having an 18 ERA against the
worst team in baseball doesn't bother McPhail one bit after all he blew away the
Toledo Mudhens.McPhail sets himself up for a self fufilling phropecy.He gets
scrubs then says we're not close enough to by big free agents.I see idiot fans
now saying 2012 might be the competing year.Next year it'll go to 2013 and so
on.Claiming this guy means another player will be exposed to waivers before the
rule 5 draft or one less protected player.
>
> It wouldn't surprise me though to see them sign Delgado. Think about it,it
won't block Snyder because he'll spend half his time on the DL.
>
> They could also sign Varatek and move Weiters to first which I wouldn't have a
problem with.
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@> wrote:
> >
> > Check out this guy's stats against the O's.  I can see where his first MLB
performance, against the Orioles, would have impressed the hell out of MacPhail.
Worst pick of all time, except for Suggs.  Or Glenn Davis.  Or Zepp's fantasy
football wide receivers.
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > O's claim righty Gabino off waivers from Twins
> >
> > He appeared in two games with Minnesota in 2009, went 6-4 with a 2.94 ERA at
Triple-A
> >
> > The Orioles on Monday claimed right-handed pitcher Armando Gabino off
waivers from the Minnesota Twins, leaving them with 34 players on their 40-man
roster. Gabino, 26, went 6-4 with three saves in a 38 games (seven starts) for
Triple-A Rochester in 2009, and had a 17.18 ERA in two appearances for the
Twins. He made his major league debut against the Orioles on Aug. 25, allowing
four earned runs, five hits and three walks in 2 2/3 innings while getting a no
decision in the Twins' 7-6 victory.
> >
> > Third baseman Melvin Mora was classified as a Type B free agent, but that's
essentially a moot point because the Orioles have no interest in offering him
arbitration, a necessary step for getting draft-pick compensation for the
player. Relievers Danys Baez and Mark Hendrickson, who are free agents after
playing for the Orioles last season, didn't get either Type A or Type B
classification.
> >
> > -- Jeff Zrebiec
> >
>

This is exactly the kind of lightening in a bottle player that McPhail worships.
if he succeeds he'll get credit for being a genius ,if he fails,it'll be a low
risk move that didn't cost us anything.Having an 18 ERA against the worst team
in baseball doesn't bother McPhail one bit after all he blew away the Toledo
Mudhens.McPhail sets himself up for a self fufilling phropecy.He gets scrubs
then says we're not close enough to by big free agents.I see idiot fans now
saying 2012 might be the competing year.Next year it'll go to 2013 and so
on.Claiming this guy means another player will be exposed to waivers before the
rule 5 draft or one less protected player.

It wouldn't surprise me though to see them sign Delgado. Think about it,it won't
block Snyder because he'll spend half his time on the DL.

They could also sign Varatek and move Weiters to first which I wouldn't have a
problem with.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Fang" <fang_guy@...> wrote:
>
> Check out this guy's stats against the O's.  I can see where his first MLB
performance, against the Orioles, would have impressed the hell out of MacPhail.
Worst pick of all time, except for Suggs.  Or Glenn Davis.  Or Zepp's fantasy
football wide receivers.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> O's claim righty Gabino off waivers from Twins
>
> He appeared in two games with Minnesota in 2009, went 6-4 with a 2.94 ERA at
Triple-A
>
> The Orioles on Monday claimed right-handed pitcher Armando Gabino off waivers
from the Minnesota Twins, leaving them with 34 players on their 40-man roster.
Gabino, 26, went 6-4 with three saves in a 38 games (seven starts) for Triple-A
Rochester in 2009, and had a 17.18 ERA in two appearances for the Twins. He made
his major league debut against the Orioles on Aug. 25, allowing four earned
runs, five hits and three walks in 2 2/3 innings while getting a no decision in
the Twins' 7-6 victory.
>
> Third baseman Melvin Mora was classified as a Type B free agent, but that's
essentially a moot point because the Orioles have no interest in offering him
arbitration, a necessary step for getting draft-pick compensation for the
player. Relievers Danys Baez and Mark Hendrickson, who are free agents after
playing for the Orioles last season, didn't get either Type A or Type B
classification.
>
> -- Jeff Zrebiec
>