No surprise here, when they said he was seen in a bar drinking. He had
a BA of .15.
The Cardinals record ain't very good in this area.
Along with the booze, it seems that Hancock was a stoner too, they
found weed and pipes and crap in his car.
Daryl Kile had weed in his room when they found him dead a couple years
back.
Tony LaRussa got busted for DUI a month or so ago.
Makes you wonder why they cut Sidney Ponson, seems like he'd fit in
there perfect.

This is what I saw in that article:
"Johnny Sain, who just passed away last year, put pitching coaches on
the map. He took me under his wing in 1979, and he had more 20-game
winners than anybody in the history of baseball. Why wouldn't I pick
the brain of the most successful pitching coach in the history of the
game? Sad to say, there were some people that didn't want to listen
to him."
-- Leo Mazzone

I'm just nick picking, remembering when the O's were a lot better.
This season my hope for them is the same it's been for the past 10
years: get back to .500.
Anything can happen, look at last year's Detroit Tigers.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, SC Zepp <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
> he didnt say he had the most he mentioned someone else.
>
> mikemartin48 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:          I just
looked it up, took only a few minutes. Pitching coaches with 20
> game winners: Johhny Sain had 17, George Bamberger had 18. Sorry
Leo,
> your hero didn't have the most in MLB history but a guy whose
position
> you now fill did.
>
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Who cares - he knew Sain, Sain had a lot - obviously he knew something about
coaching pitchers....

N.


On 5/4/07, SC Zepp <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
>   he didnt say he had the most he mentioned someone else.
>
> mikemartin48 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com>>
> wrote: I just looked it up, took only a few minutes. Pitching coaches with
> 20
> game winners: Johhny Sain had 17, George Bamberger had 18. Sorry Leo,
> your hero didn't have the most in MLB history but a guy whose position
> you now fill did.
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He's right....

N.


On 5/4/07, Stephen James <stephenjames1979@...> wrote:
>
>   Even though I'm just as frustrated as anyone as to how the O's have been
> after their fast start, I'm getting more frustrated by the negativity in the
> group. Seems like we never talk about the good AND bad side of things like
> the Scout.com <http://scout.com/> group that I'm in. So I'm no longer
> gonna stick around in this group. See ya.
>
> Stephen
>
> What is with these spam messages that always ask: "Do you prefer blondes
> or brunettes?"
>
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--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, Stephen James
<stephenjames1979@...> wrote:
>
> Even though I'm just as frustrated as anyone as to how the O's have
been after their fast start, I'm getting more frustrated by the
negativity in the group. Seems like we never talk about the good AND
bad side of things like the Scout.com group that I'm in. So I'm no
longer gonna stick around in this group. See ya.
>
>   Stephen

Ok. Here are some things to ponder from the rumor mill.

Brian Lawrence couldn't crack Colorado's rotation, so the 31 year-old
soft-tosser is now a free agent.  Since teams aren't willing to give
up much on May 2nd, Lawrence has multiple suitors.  The Denver Post
reports that the Orioles, Tigers, and Padres have interest.

The Orioles are currently 12-14, 5 games out in their division and
2.5 games out for the wild card.  With the Yankees floundering a bit,
they can at least allow themselves to dream about a playoff spot.
It's time to start pondering possible improvements to push the club
to the next level.

What they really need is a power bat; the Orioles are 11th in the
league with a .392 SLG.  However, management may view starting
pitching as a more pressing concern.  The starters collectively have
a 4.72 ERA (10th in the league), and Jaret Wright is out indefinitely
with shoulder concerns.  Not that Wright would be helping that 4.72
mark if he was out there.

The O's can take solace in Erik Bedard's strong peripherals as well
as indications (before last night) that Daniel Cabrera had turned a
corner with his control.  But Steve Trachsel (0.79 K/BB) and Adam
Loewen (0.75 K/BB) are precariously perched atop decent ERAs not
built to last.  Loewen at least can blame his abnormally strong
opposition, but Trax is a long shot to keep pitching well.

Hayden Penn is undergoing surgery, leaving Jeremy Guthrie and Brian
Burres as possible replacements for Wright.  Guthrie, a former first
rounder, is a nice gamble under Leo Mazzone.  Still, PECOTA doesn't
see he or Burres coming in under a 5.00 ERA this year.  Jeff Zrebiec
mentions past trade discussions about Josh Fogg and Byung-Hyun Kim,
options that are none too inspiring.

The Orioles often spin their wheels and tread water, but the Yanks'
struggles could present an opportunity to bring respectability back
to the franchise.  To do so, they need to acquire an ace starter.
We're probably at least a month off from such a possibility, and I
doubt the Indians end up trading C.C. Sabathia as speculated here.
Carlos Zambrano could be that available ace, if the O's would send
Loewen to the Cubs.  Dontrelle Willis and Brad Penny are a couple of
other names the Orioles could consider to bolster their rotation.
Baltimore certainly has a few young arms the Marlins would covet.

(Reported by Ken Rosenthal)
The Orioles may make an offer to Alex Rodriguez, should he opt out of
his contract at year's end.  It's admittedly a longshot, though the
O's did win the bidding for Miguel Tejada back in December of '03.
If not A-Rod, then the Orioles will chase a "premium center
fielder."  Translation: Ichiro, Andruw, or Torii.  Seems unlikely
that Corey Patterson, a Scott Boras client, returns to Baltimore in
2008.

he didnt say he had the most he mentioned someone else.

mikemartin48 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:          I just looked it up,
took only a few minutes. Pitching coaches with 20
game winners: Johhny Sain had 17, George Bamberger had 18. Sorry Leo,
your hero didn't have the most in MLB history but a guy whose position
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I just looked it up, took only a few minutes. Pitching coaches with 20
game winners: Johhny Sain had 17, George Bamberger had 18. Sorry Leo,
your hero didn't have the most in MLB history but a guy whose position
you now fill did.

Even though I'm just as frustrated as anyone as to how the O's have been after
their fast start, I'm getting more frustrated by the negativity in the group.
Seems like we never talk about the good AND bad side of things like the
Scout.com group that I'm in. So I'm no longer gonna stick around in this group.
See ya.

   Stephen


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Right now, about the only thing I care about is that Manchester United
tanked it in the Champions League, losing 3-0 to Milan.

Too frustrating to watch the O's just suck....  Haven't watched a game in a
week....

N.


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>   hahaha, ughhhhhhhhh, oh boyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
>
> mikemartin48 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com>>
> wrote: With the Yankees sweep yesterday, it put the O's in the cellar of the
>
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hahaha, ughhhhhhhhh, oh boyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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He said Johnny Sain had more 20 game winners than anyone in MLB
history? Well I remember George Bamberger with the O's and they had
at least one 20 game winner every year for 14 years, don't know if
George was there for all of them but he was for most of those years.
Of course the O's haven't had a 20 game winner since Mike Boddicker.
Nobody's been close except for Mr May, Mussina who went in the tank
every Labor day and Sidney who had 17 when the O's rented him out to
the Giants.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, SC Zepp <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
> now if they could get a cleanup hitter I think the Orioles would be
OK, not good but OK.
>
> mwjergs <mwjergs@...> wrote:          Saw this today on MLB.com
>
> Q&A with Leo Mazzone
> Legendary pitching coach pleased with direction of O's staff
> By Spencer Fordin / MLB.com
>
> Leo Mazzone learned his trade from legendary pitching coach Johnny
> Sain. (Marc Serota/Getty Images)
> MLB Headlines
>
> Now in his second season as the Orioles' pitching coach, Leo
Mazzone
> spent 15 1/2 very successful seasons in that same capacity with the
> Atlanta Braves. The Keyser, W.Va., native grew up near Cumberland,
> Md., playing ball with Orioles manager Sam Perlozzo as a youth.
> Mazzone pitched in the Minor Leagues for nine seasons, compiling a
53-
> 56 record and 3.77 ERA. He chatted with beat reporter Spencer
Fordin
> about a variety of topics regarding Baltimore's 2007 pitching
staff.
>
> MLB.com: Your starters are throwing a lot of pitches without
getting
> particularly deep in the game on a regular basis. How do you get
> deeper into the game?
>
> Mazzone: I'm very pleased with the staff as a whole -- starters and
> relievers. It doesn't concern me. We're striking out a lot of guys,
> and in some cases, it's tough to get some strikes. They're out
there
> giving everything they have. They prepare and they work hard, and
> that's the trademark of this pitching staff. It will all settle in.
>
> MLB.com: Does there come a point where you ask them to pitch to
> contact instead of going for strikeouts?
>
> Mazzone: No. You can't make that a focal point. You know what
they'd
> do if you made that a focal point? They'd throw more pitches. It's
> like when people say, "Don't walk this guy," or, "Cut down on your
> walks." They know that already. Years ago, just to show you how it
> works the opposite, if a pitcher gave up an 0-2 hit, a lot of
> managers would fine them. Finally, pitchers said, "Forget this,"
and
> they'd throw the 0-2 pitch up against the backstop. There's your
ball
> one.
>
> And it works the same for hitters. If there was a runner on third
and
> less than two outs, you'd get fined if you couldn't get him in --
but
> nobody could get him in. It worked the opposite way. Bobby Cox once
> told me that he did that as a young manager and stopped doing it
> because it didn't work.
>
> MLB.com: So you have to be careful with the rules you present to
> these guys?
>
> Mazzone: The less you present to them, the better off they are as
far
> as that type of thing. You work on a daily basis to improve,
prepare
> and get ready for your next outing or your next appearance. And
> that's really what this is all about, because you're going to play
at
> least 162 games.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
>
> "Johnny Sain, who just passed away last year, put pitching coaches
on
> the map. He took me under his wing in 1979, and he had more 20-game
> winners than anybody in the history of baseball. Why wouldn't I
pick
> the brain of the most successful pitching coach in the history of
the
> game? Sad to say, there were some people that didn't want to listen
> to him."
> -- Leo Mazzone
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
>
>
> MLB.com: Where do you see Jeremy Guthrie, long-term? Is he a late
> reliever?
>
> Mazzone: I think he's a starter, down the road. He's got an above-
> average fastball, and the breaking ball and offspeed stuff are good
> enough. The key in his spot start was his location and the command
of
> his fastball. He was really popping it.
>
> Brian Burres has done a great job for us, too. I think Burres and
> Guthrie really complement the staff extremely well in what we're
> trying to get done in terms of multiple innings from those guys and
> specialists in other roles.
>
> I think Danys Baez has been throwing the low strike really well.
I'd
> heard he had trouble doing that, but he hasn't had trouble doing
that
> here. Everybody adjusts as their career moves on. You can't stay
the
> same all the time -- no matter how good you are.
>
> MLB.com: How important is it to have a sense of humor when you're
> coaching?
>
> Mazzone: It's very important. I've always had a sense of humor. We
> have normal conversations, but sometimes we joke around and
sometimes
> we're more serious than others. It's a feel thing. You get to know
> the individual's personalities, and then you adjust your
presentation
> based on their personality.
>
> MLB.com Would you like to see the team go back to an 11-man
pitching
> staff?
>
> Mazzone: Of course you'd like to go back to an 11-man pitching
staff -
> - that would mean you have a stronger staff as far as workload. But
> the way pitching is evolving now in the game, your 12-man staff is
> becoming a norm. And the reason for that -- and the reason for more
> emphasis being put on the setup man -- is that starters don't go as
> long as they used to. That's the evolution of pitching from the
time
> you're a Little Leaguer to a big leaguer. Man, they even have pitch
> counts now in Little League.
>
> MLB.com So that's why you say it doesn't bother you? Because that's
> the way the game is everywhere?
>
> Mazzone: A great coach -- Red Auerbach -- once said that you adapt
to
> changing times and changing athletes. From when I came into the big
> leagues in June 1990 until now, the emphasis on the setup man has
> become much more important. Before, you used to have the starter
> getting to your late-inning guy, and you'd have about three or four
> relief pitchers that didn't get to pitch for a week or more. I
always
> used to say, "I hope I've got three or four guys complaining that
> they're not getting enough work." That doesn't seem to happen
> anymore.
>
> MLB.com: Do you find that lessons from other sports translate to
> baseball?
>
> Mazzone: Sure. They translate from coaching sport to sport. If I'm
> just talking pitching, I want the information to come from Jim
> Palmer, Don Sutton, Sandy Koufax, Whitey Ford, Mike Flanagan -- the
> guys that have been there and done it. But if you're talking about
> coaching or motivating, you're talking about Red Auerbach and Vince
> Lombardi -- people like that.
>
> You want to find out their approach. It's not that you're going to
be
> like them, but you try to educate yourself about them. Those types
of
> people and that type of reading material help broaden your
approach.
> And, of course, as far as mentors go, I've had two that were as
good
> as they get -- Johnny Sain and Bobby Cox.
>
> Johnny Sain, who just passed away last year, put pitching coaches
on
> the map. He took me under his wing in 1979, and he had more 20-game
> winners than anybody in the history of baseball. Why wouldn't I
pick
> the brain of the most successful pitching coach in the history of
the
> game? Sad to say, there were some people that didn't want to listen
> to him. And that happens a lot. The ones that don't want to receive
> that knowledge, to me, it doesn't make any sense.
>
> MLB.com They're content with what they are? It doesn't sound like
> they want to improve.
>
> Mazzone: I keep a note in my briefcase, and I've had it my entire
> Major League coaching career. It says, "If you don't care who gets
> the credit, you'll be more successful." When I first became a Minor
> League coach, I thought everybody worked together to develop a
> product. But everybody was jockeying for position to move up
> themselves. It shocked me when I first got into coaching, but I
guess
> I was naive.
>
> It was worse among the coaches than it ever was with players. I
don't
> know if you'd call it competitive, but that's what made me
appreciate
> that note. The only credit I want to see is a pitcher performing
> well -- and them getting the credit for performing well. Me, I just
> lay in the weeds.
>
>
>
>
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AL east. It may be an extended stay the way these bums are playing.

now if they could get a cleanup hitter I think the Orioles would be OK, not good
but OK.

mwjergs <mwjergs@...> wrote:          Saw this today on MLB.com

Q&A with Leo Mazzone
Legendary pitching coach pleased with direction of O's staff
By Spencer Fordin / MLB.com

Leo Mazzone learned his trade from legendary pitching coach Johnny
Sain. (Marc Serota/Getty Images)
MLB Headlines

Now in his second season as the Orioles' pitching coach, Leo Mazzone
spent 15 1/2 very successful seasons in that same capacity with the
Atlanta Braves. The Keyser, W.Va., native grew up near Cumberland,
Md., playing ball with Orioles manager Sam Perlozzo as a youth.
Mazzone pitched in the Minor Leagues for nine seasons, compiling a 53-
56 record and 3.77 ERA. He chatted with beat reporter Spencer Fordin
about a variety of topics regarding Baltimore's 2007 pitching staff.

MLB.com: Your starters are throwing a lot of pitches without getting
particularly deep in the game on a regular basis. How do you get
deeper into the game?

Mazzone: I'm very pleased with the staff as a whole -- starters and
relievers. It doesn't concern me. We're striking out a lot of guys,
and in some cases, it's tough to get some strikes. They're out there
giving everything they have. They prepare and they work hard, and
that's the trademark of this pitching staff. It will all settle in.

MLB.com: Does there come a point where you ask them to pitch to
contact instead of going for strikeouts?

Mazzone: No. You can't make that a focal point. You know what they'd
do if you made that a focal point? They'd throw more pitches. It's
like when people say, "Don't walk this guy," or, "Cut down on your
walks." They know that already. Years ago, just to show you how it
works the opposite, if a pitcher gave up an 0-2 hit, a lot of
managers would fine them. Finally, pitchers said, "Forget this," and
they'd throw the 0-2 pitch up against the backstop. There's your ball
one.

And it works the same for hitters. If there was a runner on third and
less than two outs, you'd get fined if you couldn't get him in -- but
nobody could get him in. It worked the opposite way. Bobby Cox once
told me that he did that as a young manager and stopped doing it
because it didn't work.

MLB.com: So you have to be careful with the rules you present to
these guys?

Mazzone: The less you present to them, the better off they are as far
as that type of thing. You work on a daily basis to improve, prepare
and get ready for your next outing or your next appearance. And
that's really what this is all about, because you're going to play at
least 162 games.
----------------------------------------------------------
----------

"Johnny Sain, who just passed away last year, put pitching coaches on
the map. He took me under his wing in 1979, and he had more 20-game
winners than anybody in the history of baseball. Why wouldn't I pick
the brain of the most successful pitching coach in the history of the
game? Sad to say, there were some people that didn't want to listen
to him."
-- Leo Mazzone

----------------------------------------------------------
----------


MLB.com: Where do you see Jeremy Guthrie, long-term? Is he a late
reliever?

Mazzone: I think he's a starter, down the road. He's got an above-
average fastball, and the breaking ball and offspeed stuff are good
enough. The key in his spot start was his location and the command of
his fastball. He was really popping it.

Brian Burres has done a great job for us, too. I think Burres and
Guthrie really complement the staff extremely well in what we're
trying to get done in terms of multiple innings from those guys and
specialists in other roles.

I think Danys Baez has been throwing the low strike really well. I'd
heard he had trouble doing that, but he hasn't had trouble doing that
here. Everybody adjusts as their career moves on. You can't stay the
same all the time -- no matter how good you are.

MLB.com: How important is it to have a sense of humor when you're
coaching?

Mazzone: It's very important. I've always had a sense of humor. We
have normal conversations, but sometimes we joke around and sometimes
we're more serious than others. It's a feel thing. You get to know
the individual's personalities, and then you adjust your presentation
based on their personality.

MLB.com Would you like to see the team go back to an 11-man pitching
staff?

Mazzone: Of course you'd like to go back to an 11-man pitching staff -
- that would mean you have a stronger staff as far as workload. But
the way pitching is evolving now in the game, your 12-man staff is
becoming a norm. And the reason for that -- and the reason for more
emphasis being put on the setup man -- is that starters don't go as
long as they used to. That's the evolution of pitching from the time
you're a Little Leaguer to a big leaguer. Man, they even have pitch
counts now in Little League.

MLB.com So that's why you say it doesn't bother you? Because that's
the way the game is everywhere?

Mazzone: A great coach -- Red Auerbach -- once said that you adapt to
changing times and changing athletes. From when I came into the big
leagues in June 1990 until now, the emphasis on the setup man has
become much more important. Before, you used to have the starter
getting to your late-inning guy, and you'd have about three or four
relief pitchers that didn't get to pitch for a week or more. I always
used to say, "I hope I've got three or four guys complaining that
they're not getting enough work." That doesn't seem to happen
anymore.

MLB.com: Do you find that lessons from other sports translate to
baseball?

Mazzone: Sure. They translate from coaching sport to sport. If I'm
just talking pitching, I want the information to come from Jim
Palmer, Don Sutton, Sandy Koufax, Whitey Ford, Mike Flanagan -- the
guys that have been there and done it. But if you're talking about
coaching or motivating, you're talking about Red Auerbach and Vince
Lombardi -- people like that.

You want to find out their approach. It's not that you're going to be
like them, but you try to educate yourself about them. Those types of
people and that type of reading material help broaden your approach.
And, of course, as far as mentors go, I've had two that were as good
as they get -- Johnny Sain and Bobby Cox.

Johnny Sain, who just passed away last year, put pitching coaches on
the map. He took me under his wing in 1979, and he had more 20-game
winners than anybody in the history of baseball. Why wouldn't I pick
the brain of the most successful pitching coach in the history of the
game? Sad to say, there were some people that didn't want to listen
to him. And that happens a lot. The ones that don't want to receive
that knowledge, to me, it doesn't make any sense.

MLB.com They're content with what they are? It doesn't sound like
they want to improve.

Mazzone: I keep a note in my briefcase, and I've had it my entire
Major League coaching career. It says, "If you don't care who gets
the credit, you'll be more successful." When I first became a Minor
League coach, I thought everybody worked together to develop a
product. But everybody was jockeying for position to move up
themselves. It shocked me when I first got into coaching, but I guess
I was naive.

It was worse among the coaches than it ever was with players. I don't
know if you'd call it competitive, but that's what made me appreciate
that note. The only credit I want to see is a pitcher performing
well -- and them getting the credit for performing well. Me, I just
lay in the weeds.






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Saw this today on MLB.com

Q&A with Leo Mazzone
Legendary pitching coach pleased with direction of O's staff
By Spencer Fordin / MLB.com

Leo Mazzone learned his trade from legendary pitching coach Johnny
Sain. (Marc Serota/Getty Images)
MLB Headlines

Now in his second season as the Orioles' pitching coach, Leo Mazzone
spent 15 1/2 very successful seasons in that same capacity with the
Atlanta Braves. The Keyser, W.Va., native grew up near Cumberland,
Md., playing ball with Orioles manager Sam Perlozzo as a youth.
Mazzone pitched in the Minor Leagues for nine seasons, compiling a 53-
56 record and 3.77 ERA. He chatted with beat reporter Spencer Fordin
about a variety of topics regarding Baltimore's 2007 pitching staff.

MLB.com: Your starters are throwing a lot of pitches without getting
particularly deep in the game on a regular basis. How do you get
deeper into the game?

Mazzone: I'm very pleased with the staff as a whole -- starters and
relievers. It doesn't concern me. We're striking out a lot of guys,
and in some cases, it's tough to get some strikes. They're out there
giving everything they have. They prepare and they work hard, and
that's the trademark of this pitching staff. It will all settle in.

MLB.com: Does there come a point where you ask them to pitch to
contact instead of going for strikeouts?

Mazzone: No. You can't make that a focal point. You know what they'd
do if you made that a focal point? They'd throw more pitches. It's
like when people say, "Don't walk this guy," or, "Cut down on your
walks." They know that already. Years ago, just to show you how it
works the opposite, if a pitcher gave up an 0-2 hit, a lot of
managers would fine them. Finally, pitchers said, "Forget this," and
they'd throw the 0-2 pitch up against the backstop. There's your ball
one.

And it works the same for hitters. If there was a runner on third and
less than two outs, you'd get fined if you couldn't get him in -- but
nobody could get him in. It worked the opposite way. Bobby Cox once
told me that he did that as a young manager and stopped doing it
because it didn't work.

MLB.com: So you have to be careful with the rules you present to
these guys?

Mazzone: The less you present to them, the better off they are as far
as that type of thing. You work on a daily basis to improve, prepare
and get ready for your next outing or your next appearance. And
that's really what this is all about, because you're going to play at
least 162 games.
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"Johnny Sain, who just passed away last year, put pitching coaches on
the map. He took me under his wing in 1979, and he had more 20-game
winners than anybody in the history of baseball. Why wouldn't I pick
the brain of the most successful pitching coach in the history of the
game? Sad to say, there were some people that didn't want to listen
to him."
-- Leo Mazzone

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MLB.com: Where do you see Jeremy Guthrie, long-term? Is he a late
reliever?

Mazzone: I think he's a starter, down the road. He's got an above-
average fastball, and the breaking ball and offspeed stuff are good
enough. The key in his spot start was his location and the command of
his fastball. He was really popping it.

Brian Burres has done a great job for us, too. I think Burres and
Guthrie really complement the staff extremely well in what we're
trying to get done in terms of multiple innings from those guys and
specialists in other roles.

I think Danys Baez has been throwing the low strike really well. I'd
heard he had trouble doing that, but he hasn't had trouble doing that
here. Everybody adjusts as their career moves on. You can't stay the
same all the time -- no matter how good you are.

MLB.com: How important is it to have a sense of humor when you're
coaching?

Mazzone: It's very important. I've always had a sense of humor. We
have normal conversations, but sometimes we joke around and sometimes
we're more serious than others. It's a feel thing. You get to know
the individual's personalities, and then you adjust your presentation
based on their personality.

MLB.com Would you like to see the team go back to an 11-man pitching
staff?

Mazzone: Of course you'd like to go back to an 11-man pitching staff -
- that would mean you have a stronger staff as far as workload. But
the way pitching is evolving now in the game, your 12-man staff is
becoming a norm. And the reason for that -- and the reason for more
emphasis being put on the setup man -- is that starters don't go as
long as they used to. That's the evolution of pitching from the time
you're a Little Leaguer to a big leaguer. Man, they even have pitch
counts now in Little League.

MLB.com So that's why you say it doesn't bother you? Because that's
the way the game is everywhere?

Mazzone: A great coach -- Red Auerbach -- once said that you adapt to
changing times and changing athletes. From when I came into the big
leagues in June 1990 until now, the emphasis on the setup man has
become much more important. Before, you used to have the starter
getting to your late-inning guy, and you'd have about three or four
relief pitchers that didn't get to pitch for a week or more. I always
used to say, "I hope I've got three or four guys complaining that
they're not getting enough work." That doesn't seem to happen
anymore.

MLB.com: Do you find that lessons from other sports translate to
baseball?

Mazzone: Sure. They translate from coaching sport to sport. If I'm
just talking pitching, I want the information to come from Jim
Palmer, Don Sutton, Sandy Koufax, Whitey Ford, Mike Flanagan -- the
guys that have been there and done it. But if you're talking about
coaching or motivating, you're talking about Red Auerbach and Vince
Lombardi -- people like that.

You want to find out their approach. It's not that you're going to be
like them, but you try to educate yourself about them. Those types of
people and that type of reading material help broaden your approach.
And, of course, as far as mentors go, I've had two that were as good
as they get -- Johnny Sain and Bobby Cox.

Johnny Sain, who just passed away last year, put pitching coaches on
the map. He took me under his wing in 1979, and he had more 20-game
winners than anybody in the history of baseball. Why wouldn't I pick
the brain of the most successful pitching coach in the history of the
game? Sad to say, there were some people that didn't want to listen
to him. And that happens a lot. The ones that don't want to receive
that knowledge, to me, it doesn't make any sense.

MLB.com They're content with what they are? It doesn't sound like
they want to improve.

Mazzone: I keep a note in my briefcase, and I've had it my entire
Major League coaching career. It says, "If you don't care who gets
the credit, you'll be more successful." When I first became a Minor
League coach, I thought everybody worked together to develop a
product. But everybody was jockeying for position to move up
themselves. It shocked me when I first got into coaching, but I guess
I was naive.

It was worse among the coaches than it ever was with players. I don't
know if you'd call it competitive, but that's what made me appreciate
that note. The only credit I want to see is a pitcher performing
well -- and them getting the credit for performing well. Me, I just
lay in the weeds.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, SC Zepp <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
> I have said this before and will get beat up on this. I wanted
Eddie as the skipper back in 2004. He could not of done any worse not
that there has been a lto of true talent here other then Tejada since
then. Look at this team unwated ball players as starters.
>   1-Roberts, yeah I believe he could start elsewhere
>   2-Mora, was not wanted by a NL team and had a couple of good
season but still a utility man on a good team.
>   3-Kakes, most ball clubs would not of had him up last season
>   4-Tejada, only true starter
>   5-Huff, PH on most clubs
>   6-Gibbons, well we know
>   7-Ramon-Yes he starts most places
>   8-Patterson, maybe a 5thg OF
>   9-Millar, at best a reserve
>   10-Payton, just where the Sox had him, bench
>   11-Bynum, ofh boy
>   12-Bako, well backup
>   13-Bedard, 4th man on good team
>   14-DC, would just be arriving on a good team
>   15-Loewen, still in minors
>   16-Traschel, signed last day no one wanted him
>   17-Wright,used bum
>   18-Benson, no team was knocking door down to get him
>   19-Ray, like him but still jus tarriving on most clubs
>   Rest of BP any one would want arms

Murray could have been in the mix. But I was more surprised that Rick
Dempsey was never named manager. It seemed for years that he would
have been the best move, even PR wise to show the fans a link to the
past. I still can't understand why Perlozzo hung around after the
slap in the face hiring that was "Hey, I'm from New York" Lee
Mazzilli.

How is Tejada the only true starter? Hernandez, Roberts, and Mora all
could start elsewhere. I diagree with Mora. Look at his stats, he has
bee just as productive as any other 3B over the past five years. He
is just starting to decline.
It's been the arguement for years that the O's need a #1 pitcher and
#4 hitter. They still don't have them.

doesnt matter who is coaching this team the product is crap!

joes06 <joes91752@...> wrote:          out indefinately.Just what we
needed. I just wonder if Mazzone's side
sessions aren't wearing these guys out.I would sure like to wake up one
day and see the O's have fired him and Perlozzo.






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out indefinately.Just what we needed. I just wonder if Mazzone's side
sessions aren't wearing these guys out.I would sure like to wake up one
day and see the O's have fired him and Perlozzo.

I have said this before and will get beat up on this. I wanted Eddie as the
skipper back in 2004. He could not of done any worse not that there has been a
lto of true talent here other then Tejada since then. Look at this team unwated
ball players as starters.
   1-Roberts, yeah I believe he could start elsewhere
   2-Mora, was not wanted by a NL team and had a couple of good season but still
a utility man on a good team.
   3-Kakes, most ball clubs would not of had him up last season
   4-Tejada, only true starter
   5-Huff, PH on most clubs
   6-Gibbons, well we know
   7-Ramon-Yes he starts most places
   8-Patterson, maybe a 5thg OF
   9-Millar, at best a reserve
   10-Payton, just where the Sox had him, bench
   11-Bynum, ofh boy
   12-Bako, well backup
   13-Bedard, 4th man on good team
   14-DC, would just be arriving on a good team
   15-Loewen, still in minors
   16-Traschel, signed last day no one wanted him
   17-Wright,used bum
   18-Benson, no team was knocking door down to get him
   19-Ray, like him but still jus tarriving on most clubs
   Rest of BP any one would want arms

Stephen James <stephenjames1979@...> wrote:
           I still often wonder about the manager with the Marlins last year,
Giraldi? Maybe he could be a possible candidate smetime in the future.

Noel Schively <nschively@...> wrote: Point is - not that many fiery
managers. And when they're fiery on the
field, they're fiery - with someone - off the field. If Piniella couldn't
get along with the regimes in Seattle and Tampa when they started losing,
how well do you think he or someone like him would last with the current
regime here? How long do you give him in Chicago?

Where's Sciosa now?

N.

On 5/2/07, SC Zepp <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
> Lou was more of a anti upper management disagreement then player hate.
>
> Noel Schively <nschively@... <nschively%40gmail.com>> wrote: Larry
> Bowa - fiery manager who managed to alienate his players, the team
> tanked, and he got rid out on a rail in Philly....
>
> Lou Pineilla - who couldn't take the losing in Tampa and quit ... after
> essentially quitting the Mariners when they started to go downhill....
>
> N.
>
> On 5/2/07, mwjergs <mwjergs@... <mwjergs%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com><BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "joes06" <joes91752@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe so but Perlozzo accepts losing and that carries throughout
> > the
> > > team. Plus he won't get off his ass in the dugout and defend his
> > > players.All he does is chew gum a 100 miles an hour and look
> > > interested.Mazzone is obsessed with the down and away strikes and
> > > it's just causing more walks. get rid of both of them and get some
> > > fresh brains in here.
> >
> > Perlozzo and Mazzone have been on the job for one season and a month.
> > It's not time to call for their heads..yet.
> > It's sounds more like you just don't like Perlozzo's style. Which I'm
> > not exactly a huge fan of either but name any MLB managers that are
> > fiery and get up it player's faces and don't accept losing - as you
> > say. That type of manager doesn't exist anymore and how could they
> > when every player makes more than you do.
> > These players are professionals. They get paid way too much money to
> > play a kid's game. Coaches put players in a position to use their
> > skills to be successful. The players take it the rest of the way.
> > I feel that with the Orioles organization there is plenty of blame to
> > go around.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Noel Schively
>
> ============================
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> April 6 - 28
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I still often wonder about the manager with the Marlins last year, Giraldi?
Maybe he could be a possible candidate smetime in the future.

Noel Schively <nschively@...> wrote:          Point is - not that many
fiery managers. And when they're fiery on the
field, they're fiery - with someone - off the field. If Piniella couldn't
get along with the regimes in Seattle and Tampa when they started losing,
how well do you think he or someone like him would last with the current
regime here? How long do you give him in Chicago?

Where's Sciosa now?

N.

On 5/2/07, SC Zepp <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
> Lou was more of a anti upper management disagreement then player hate.
>
> Noel Schively <nschively@... <nschively%40gmail.com>> wrote: Larry
> Bowa - fiery manager who managed to alienate his players, the team
> tanked, and he got rid out on a rail in Philly....
>
> Lou Pineilla - who couldn't take the losing in Tampa and quit ... after
> essentially quitting the Mariners when they started to go downhill....
>
> N.
>
> On 5/2/07, mwjergs <mwjergs@... <mwjergs%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com><BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "joes06" <joes91752@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe so but Perlozzo accepts losing and that carries throughout
> > the
> > > team. Plus he won't get off his ass in the dugout and defend his
> > > players.All he does is chew gum a 100 miles an hour and look
> > > interested.Mazzone is obsessed with the down and away strikes and
> > > it's just causing more walks. get rid of both of them and get some
> > > fresh brains in here.
> >
> > Perlozzo and Mazzone have been on the job for one season and a month.
> > It's not time to call for their heads..yet.
> > It's sounds more like you just don't like Perlozzo's style. Which I'm
> > not exactly a huge fan of either but name any MLB managers that are
> > fiery and get up it player's faces and don't accept losing - as you
> > say. That type of manager doesn't exist anymore and how could they
> > when every player makes more than you do.
> > These players are professionals. They get paid way too much money to
> > play a kid's game. Coaches put players in a position to use their
> > skills to be successful. The players take it the rest of the way.
> > I feel that with the Orioles organization there is plenty of blame to
> > go around.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Noel Schively
>
> ============================
> Double X
> At the Mobtown Theater
> April 6 - 28
> www.mobtown.net
> A festival of women playwrights from across the country
>
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Okay - so are you saying a) you want Piniella here, b) the Italian would get
along with the Greek - because Angelos is something like a mafioso, the kind
of capo that Piniella would respect and follow?

What?

N.


On 5/2/07, SC Zepp <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
>   PA is a mafia leader if I ever seen one. Trying to keep things down.
> doesnt work because the MLB is so messed up with no cap no arbritation share
> like the NFL does. Hey didnt PA's firm represent Tony Panuti(sp) back in the
> day? Talk about some big time clout.
>
> Noel Schively <nschively@... <nschively%40gmail.com>> wrote: Point
> is - not that many fiery managers. And when they're fiery on the
> field, they're fiery - with someone - off the field. If Piniella couldn't
> get along with the regimes in Seattle and Tampa when they started losing,
> how well do you think he or someone like him would last with the current
> regime here? How long do you give him in Chicago?
>
> Where's Sciosa now?
>
> N.
>
> On 5/2/07, SC Zepp <sczepp@... <sczepp%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Lou was more of a anti upper management disagreement then player hate.
> >
> > Noel Schively <nschively@...
<nschively%40gmail.com><nschively%40gmail.com>> wrote: Larry
> > Bowa - fiery manager who managed to alienate his players, the team
> > tanked, and he got rid out on a rail in Philly....
> >
> > Lou Pineilla - who couldn't take the losing in Tampa and quit ... after
> > essentially quitting the Mariners when they started to go downhill....
> >
> > N.
> >
> > On 5/2/07, mwjergs <mwjergs@...
<mwjergs%40yahoo.com><mwjergs%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com><BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com><BaltimOrioles\
%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "joes06" <joes91752@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Maybe so but Perlozzo accepts losing and that carries throughout
> > > the
> > > > team. Plus he won't get off his ass in the dugout and defend his
> > > > players.All he does is chew gum a 100 miles an hour and look
> > > > interested.Mazzone is obsessed with the down and away strikes and
> > > > it's just causing more walks. get rid of both of them and get some
> > > > fresh brains in here.
> > >
> > > Perlozzo and Mazzone have been on the job for one season and a month.
> > > It's not time to call for their heads..yet.
> > > It's sounds more like you just don't like Perlozzo's style. Which I'm
> > > not exactly a huge fan of either but name any MLB managers that are
> > > fiery and get up it player's faces and don't accept losing - as you
> > > say. That type of manager doesn't exist anymore and how could they
> > > when every player makes more than you do.
> > > These players are professionals. They get paid way too much money to
> > > play a kid's game. Coaches put players in a position to use their
> > > skills to be successful. The players take it the rest of the way.
> > > I feel that with the Orioles organization there is plenty of blame to
> > > go around.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Noel Schively
> >
> > ============================
> > Double X
> > At the Mobtown Theater
> > April 6 - 28
> > www.mobtown.net
> > A festival of women playwrights from across the country
> >
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>
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> April 6 - 28
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PA is a mafia leader if I ever seen one. Trying to keep things down. doesnt work
because the MLB is so messed up with no cap no arbritation share like the NFL
does.  Hey didnt PA's firm represent Tony Panuti(sp) back in the day? Talk about
some big time clout.

Noel Schively <nschively@...> wrote:          Point is - not that many
fiery managers. And when they're fiery on the
field, they're fiery - with someone - off the field. If Piniella couldn't
get along with the regimes in Seattle and Tampa when they started losing,
how well do you think he or someone like him would last with the current
regime here? How long do you give him in Chicago?

Where's Sciosa now?

N.

On 5/2/07, SC Zepp <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
> Lou was more of a anti upper management disagreement then player hate.
>
> Noel Schively <nschively@... <nschively%40gmail.com>> wrote: Larry
> Bowa - fiery manager who managed to alienate his players, the team
> tanked, and he got rid out on a rail in Philly....
>
> Lou Pineilla - who couldn't take the losing in Tampa and quit ... after
> essentially quitting the Mariners when they started to go downhill....
>
> N.
>
> On 5/2/07, mwjergs <mwjergs@... <mwjergs%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com><BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "joes06" <joes91752@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe so but Perlozzo accepts losing and that carries throughout
> > the
> > > team. Plus he won't get off his ass in the dugout and defend his
> > > players.All he does is chew gum a 100 miles an hour and look
> > > interested.Mazzone is obsessed with the down and away strikes and
> > > it's just causing more walks. get rid of both of them and get some
> > > fresh brains in here.
> >
> > Perlozzo and Mazzone have been on the job for one season and a month.
> > It's not time to call for their heads..yet.
> > It's sounds more like you just don't like Perlozzo's style. Which I'm
> > not exactly a huge fan of either but name any MLB managers that are
> > fiery and get up it player's faces and don't accept losing - as you
> > say. That type of manager doesn't exist anymore and how could they
> > when every player makes more than you do.
> > These players are professionals. They get paid way too much money to
> > play a kid's game. Coaches put players in a position to use their
> > skills to be successful. The players take it the rest of the way.
> > I feel that with the Orioles organization there is plenty of blame to
> > go around.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Noel Schively
>
> ============================
> Double X
> At the Mobtown Theater
> April 6 - 28
> www.mobtown.net
> A festival of women playwrights from across the country
>
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Point is - not that many fiery managers.  And when they're fiery on the
field, they're fiery - with someone - off the field.  If Piniella couldn't
get along with the regimes in Seattle and Tampa when they started losing,
how well do you think he or someone like him would last with the current
regime here?  How long do you give him in Chicago?

Where's Sciosa now?

N.


On 5/2/07, SC Zepp <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
>   Lou was more of a anti upper management disagreement then player hate.
>
> Noel Schively <nschively@... <nschively%40gmail.com>> wrote: Larry
> Bowa - fiery manager who managed to alienate his players, the team
> tanked, and he got rid out on a rail in Philly....
>
> Lou Pineilla - who couldn't take the losing in Tampa and quit ... after
> essentially quitting the Mariners when they started to go downhill....
>
> N.
>
> On 5/2/07, mwjergs <mwjergs@... <mwjergs%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com
<BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com><BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "joes06" <joes91752@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe so but Perlozzo accepts losing and that carries throughout
> > the
> > > team. Plus he won't get off his ass in the dugout and defend his
> > > players.All he does is chew gum a 100 miles an hour and look
> > > interested.Mazzone is obsessed with the down and away strikes and
> > > it's just causing more walks. get rid of both of them and get some
> > > fresh brains in here.
> >
> > Perlozzo and Mazzone have been on the job for one season and a month.
> > It's not time to call for their heads..yet.
> > It's sounds more like you just don't like Perlozzo's style. Which I'm
> > not exactly a huge fan of either but name any MLB managers that are
> > fiery and get up it player's faces and don't accept losing - as you
> > say. That type of manager doesn't exist anymore and how could they
> > when every player makes more than you do.
> > These players are professionals. They get paid way too much money to
> > play a kid's game. Coaches put players in a position to use their
> > skills to be successful. The players take it the rest of the way.
> > I feel that with the Orioles organization there is plenty of blame to
> > go around.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Noel Schively
>
> ============================
> Double X
> At the Mobtown Theater
> April 6 - 28
> www.mobtown.net
> A festival of women playwrights from across the country
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Lou was more of a anti upper management disagreement then player hate.

Noel Schively <nschively@...> wrote:          Larry Bowa - fiery manager
who managed to alienate his players, the team
tanked, and he got rid out on a rail in Philly....

Lou Pineilla - who couldn't take the losing in Tampa and quit ... after
essentially quitting the Mariners when they started to go downhill....

N.

On 5/2/07, mwjergs <mwjergs@...> wrote:
>
> --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "joes06" <joes91752@...> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe so but Perlozzo accepts losing and that carries throughout
> the
> > team. Plus he won't get off his ass in the dugout and defend his
> > players.All he does is chew gum a 100 miles an hour and look
> > interested.Mazzone is obsessed with the down and away strikes and
> > it's just causing more walks. get rid of both of them and get some
> > fresh brains in here.
>
> Perlozzo and Mazzone have been on the job for one season and a month.
> It's not time to call for their heads..yet.
> It's sounds more like you just don't like Perlozzo's style. Which I'm
> not exactly a huge fan of either but name any MLB managers that are
> fiery and get up it player's faces and don't accept losing - as you
> say. That type of manager doesn't exist anymore and how could they
> when every player makes more than you do.
> These players are professionals. They get paid way too much money to
> play a kid's game. Coaches put players in a position to use their
> skills to be successful. The players take it the rest of the way.
> I feel that with the Orioles organization there is plenty of blame to
> go around.
>
>
>

--
Noel Schively

============================
Double X
At the Mobtown Theater
April 6 - 28
www.mobtown.net
A festival of women playwrights from across the country

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Larry Bowa - fiery manager who managed to alienate his players, the team
tanked, and he got rid out on a rail in Philly....

Lou Pineilla - who couldn't take the losing in Tampa and quit ... after
essentially quitting the Mariners when they started to go downhill....

N.


On 5/2/07, mwjergs <mwjergs@...> wrote:
>
>   --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "joes06" <joes91752@...> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe so but Perlozzo accepts losing and that carries throughout
> the
> > team. Plus he won't get off his ass in the dugout and defend his
> > players.All he does is chew gum a 100 miles an hour and look
> > interested.Mazzone is obsessed with the down and away strikes and
> > it's just causing more walks. get rid of both of them and get some
> > fresh brains in here.
>
> Perlozzo and Mazzone have been on the job for one season and a month.
> It's not time to call for their heads..yet.
> It's sounds more like you just don't like Perlozzo's style. Which I'm
> not exactly a huge fan of either but name any MLB managers that are
> fiery and get up it player's faces and don't accept losing - as you
> say. That type of manager doesn't exist anymore and how could they
> when every player makes more than you do.
> These players are professionals. They get paid way too much money to
> play a kid's game. Coaches put players in a position to use their
> skills to be successful. The players take it the rest of the way.
> I feel that with the Orioles organization there is plenty of blame to
> go around.
>
>
>



--
Noel Schively

============================
Double X
At the Mobtown Theater
April 6 - 28
www.mobtown.net
A festival of women playwrights from across the country


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--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "joes06" <joes91752@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe so but Perlozzo accepts losing and that carries throughout
the
> team. Plus he won't get off his ass in the dugout and defend his
> players.All he does is chew gum a 100 miles an hour and look
> interested.Mazzone is obsessed with the down and away strikes and
> it's just causing more walks. get rid of both of them and get some
> fresh brains in here.

Perlozzo and Mazzone have been on the job for one season and a month.
It's not time to call for their heads..yet.
It's sounds more like you just don't like Perlozzo's style. Which I'm
not exactly a huge fan of either but name any MLB managers that are
fiery and get up it player's faces and don't accept losing - as you
say. That type of manager doesn't exist anymore and how could they
when every player makes more than you do.
These players are professionals. They get paid way too much money to
play a kid's game. Coaches put players in a position to use their
skills to be successful. The players take it the rest of the way.
I feel that with the Orioles organization there is plenty of blame to
go around.

They've known about this a couple of years. Why not get it done last
Oct as a precaution.Now Loewen might be hurt yipeeeeeeeee

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, SC Zepp <sczepp@...> wrote:
>
> Bone spurs in his elbow. Not serious and could of pitched through if
he was in a pennant race but the team and Penn feel as if it best for
him to get this done now......Fanger/zeppers new #1 scott find is
Brandon Tripp and he is down in Delamrva. He is hitting over 400 with a
few ding dongs. He plays OF very well. Scoutng report has him in Bowie
by years end.
>
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Bone spurs in his elbow. Not serious and could of pitched through if he was in a
pennant race but the team and Penn feel as if it best for him to get this done
now......Fanger/zeppers new #1 scott find is Brandon Tripp and he is down in
Delamrva. He is hitting over 400 with a few ding dongs. He plays OF very well.
Scoutng report has him in Bowie by years end.


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you know what guys, could Eddie do any worse with these guys? In the midst of a
loosing streak at home I could see Eddie defending one of his players and the
crowd chanting, Eddie,Eddie,Eddie.............. Oh man it would be dynamic to
say the least. Guys would have to hustle at all times. Hitting the ball deep
wasnt Eddie game in fact he could spray the ball all over. His game plan in LA
is to spray the ball all over because he has no true power hitter in that
lineup.

joes06 <joes91752@...> wrote:          Maybe so but Perlozzo accepts
losing and that carries throughout the
team. Plus he won't get off his ass in the dugout and defend his
players.All he does is chew gum a 100 miles an hour and look
interested.Mazzone is obsessed with the down and away strikes and
it's just causing more walks. get rid of both of them and get some
fresh brains in here.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Noel Schively" <nschively@...>
wrote:
>
> LOL. Good points....
>
> N.
>
>
> On 5/1/07, mwjergs <mwjergs@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > mikemartin48 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > They get all these f-ing relievers and still can't get anybody
out.
> > > Looks like another 65 win season. Perlozzo stinks, Mazzone is a
> > fraud,
> > > back up the bus.
> > >
> >
> > Perrlozzo needs to hit better in the clutch and Mazzone needs to
get
> > ahead of hitters.
> > Bah!
> > Coaching is the least of the Orioles concerns. The organization
needs a
> > major restructuring from the top down. Please sell Pete!!!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Noel Schively
>
> ============================
> Double X
> At the Mobtown Theater
> April 6 - 28
> www.mobtown.net
> A festival of women playwrights from across the country
>
>
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>






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Maybe so but Perlozzo accepts losing and that carries throughout the
team. Plus he won't get off his ass in the dugout and defend his
players.All he does is chew gum a 100 miles an hour and look
interested.Mazzone is obsessed with the down and away strikes and
it's just causing more walks. get rid of both of them and get some
fresh brains in here.

--- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com, "Noel Schively" <nschively@...>
wrote:
>
> LOL.  Good points....
>
> N.
>
>
> On 5/1/07, mwjergs <mwjergs@...> wrote:
> >
> >   --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > mikemartin48 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > They get all these f-ing relievers and still can't get anybody
out.
> > > Looks like another 65 win season. Perlozzo stinks, Mazzone is a
> > fraud,
> > > back up the bus.
> > >
> >
> > Perrlozzo needs to hit better in the clutch and Mazzone needs to
get
> > ahead of hitters.
> > Bah!
> > Coaching is the least of the Orioles concerns. The organization
needs a
> > major restructuring from the top down. Please sell Pete!!!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Noel Schively
>
> ============================
> Double X
> At the Mobtown Theater
> April 6 - 28
> www.mobtown.net
> A festival of women playwrights from across the country
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

LOL.  Good points....

N.


On 5/1/07, mwjergs <mwjergs@...> wrote:
>
>   --- In BaltimOrioles@yahoogroups.com <BaltimOrioles%40yahoogroups.com>,
> mikemartin48 <no_reply@...> wrote:
> >
> > They get all these f-ing relievers and still can't get anybody out.
> > Looks like another 65 win season. Perlozzo stinks, Mazzone is a
> fraud,
> > back up the bus.
> >
>
> Perrlozzo needs to hit better in the clutch and Mazzone needs to get
> ahead of hitters.
> Bah!
> Coaching is the least of the Orioles concerns. The organization needs a
> major restructuring from the top down. Please sell Pete!!!
>
>
>



--
Noel Schively

============================
Double X
At the Mobtown Theater
April 6 - 28
www.mobtown.net
A festival of women playwrights from across the country


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