--- Brad Hallin <brad@...> wrote:

> From: "Brad Hallin" <brad@...>
> To: <dirty_burd_71@...>
> Subject: RE: Rule question / racing concerns
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:21:30 -0700
>
>  This message was forwarded to me by one of the
> other Track Directors.
> Ironically, what you are talking about was done by
> the 3-time ABA National
> #1 Pro Bubba Harris at this year's ABA Grands. The
> rulebook stipulates that
> a rider must participate in order to receive points
> for that day. Rolling
> out of the gate may seem like the wrong way to go
> about getting points, but
> the rulebook makes no distinction between someone
> who does that versus
> someone who crashes during the course of a race and
> doesn't cross the finish
> line. In the respect, I guess it is a loophole that
> this rider at River
> Valley BMX has found to continue to get points while
> injured. I would hope
> that his class would make with more than 3 riders,
> as he would only be
> getting rider points at that time, but with 3 riders
> - he is technically not
> breaking the rules. As I said, Bubba Harris went to
> the Grands this year
> hoping to compete, but it became evident in practice
> that he couldn't ride.
> He still rolled out of the gate and did a slow lap
> during the motos to
> maintain the rider points for the Grands and to try
> to hang on to a decent
> number for 2008. He ended up National #4. I hope
> this helps, but please feel
> free to call me at 480-961-1903 ext 122 if you have
> any additional questions
> or comments.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Brad Hallin
> Track Director
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> Subject: Rule question / racing concerns
>
> Hello, My son, William Burd, 12 expert, races BMX
> and his home track is
> Bakerview BMX in Mount Vernon, Wa.
> WA01. I don't like bothering anyone with questions
> like this but there have
> been enough other parents talking about it I had to
> check it out with
> someone that would know. I was given your name by
> our track operator and he
> said you could probably help me out with this. What
> are the restrictions for
> racing with an injury (broken leg just out of the
> cast)? Is it, or is it not
> legal to roll off the gate and immediately turn
> around and go back to
> staging lanes or spectator area with out finishing
> the race? Not even riding
> to the first obstacle! I don't mean once and a while
> but every moto and main
> event. He is getting 3rd place expert points doing
> this. This has happened
> over the last two weeks of racing at River Valley
> BMX and I'm suspect he
> will continue till the end of the season.
> My son races against him and asked me about it. I
> checked the rule book but
> didn't really find anything that applied (not real
> good at going through so
> many rules). I didn't mention the boy's name just in
> case he is playing by
> the book. If there is a problem, let me know and I
> will file a complaint
> against him or what ever I have to do. I don't want
> to cause any trouble but
> I just want the racing to be fair.
> Thank you for your time and info on this matter.
> Respectfully, Bruce Burd
>
>
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I would but they yelled at him for that! :)
--- In BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com, knuckle dirty <dirtyknuckle@...>
wrote:
>
> Have Dirty Burd start at the finish line---that will show'em!
>
>
> To: BakerviewBMX@...: dirty_burd_71@...: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:25:09
+0000Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Re: Rule question / racing
concerns---Sent to ABA
>
>
>
>
> I can understand crashing and not finishing but it's the
intentionalDNFs EVERY time, moto after moto, day after day, week after
week thatmakes me wonder. There is no real reason to do this as far as
I cansee unless you have a top ten spot you are protecting. He isn't
doingthat. It should be illegal just for being a nuisance.My
$.02Bruce--- In BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com, knuckle dirty
<dirtyknuckle@>wrote:>> The rider who actually rode the track would
get the better finish. If neither rode the track, they should be put
to last (both of them)and given rider points only.> > And yes, you can
give more than one rider a last place finish---wehave shared 8th place
finishes with other riders after a crash andneither rider finished the
track. > > Did not start (DNS) and Did not finish (DNF) are terms in
the ABArule book for this type of thing.> > > I'm with Scott, if you
have enough to get on the gate three times,you have enough to coast
the track three times.> > > To: BakerviewBMX@: dirty_burd_71@: Wed, 28
Nov 2007 03:45:07+0000Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Re: Rule question /
racingconcerns---Sent to ABA> > > > > In this case it doesn't make a
class. Plenty of kids were thereaboutthe same age to make a class. I
just wonder how it would bescored ifanother rider did the same thing
every time in the samemotos. Whowould get the 3rd and who would get
the 4th if there werefour on thegate? Also, is it really racing not to
race at all? It'sone thing tocrash, loose a chain or something like
that and come backnext timeand race but to NOT race is NOT TO RACE.
The ABA has thefinal word sowe'll just wait and see. I'll stand by
what ever theysay.Bruce--- In BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com, knuckle
dirty<dirtyknuckle@>wrote:>> Very true.> > And helps build a class
too...>> > To: bakerviewbmx@: thebgang@: Tue, 27 Nov
200718:48:24-0700Subject: RE: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question
/racingconcerns---Sent to ABA> > > > > I'm not 100% sure but i
wouldn'tthink it would matter if he crossedthe line or not he will
still getlast place for the day.It would bethe same thing as if he had
wreckedand not finished at all. Bob> > > To: bakerviewbmx@:
dirtyknuckle@:Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:28:55+0000Subject: RE:
[BakerviewBMX] Rulequestion / racingconcerns---Sent to ABA> > > From
what limitedknowledge I posses, the rider in question needs tocross
the finishline.Cut the track and wait, but still needs tofinish...I
may beincorrect on this.> > > To: BakerviewBMX@: dirty_burd_71@: Sun,
25 Nov2007 01:50:56+0000Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question /
racingconcerns---Sent to ABA> > > I'm not one to make waves but I had
alegitimate question aboutracingrules and I wanted an unbiased
answer.The following was sent totheABA. If they are not concerned then
nofoul, no problem. Letthepoints fall where they may. If there is
aproblem, we'll deal withitaccordingly.---------------Hello, My
son,William Burd, 12 expert,races BMX and his home trackis Bakerview
BMXin Mount Vernon, Wa.WA01. I don't like botheringanyone with
questionslike this but therehave been enough otherparents talking
about it Ihad to check it outwith someone that wouldknow. I was given
your nameby our trackoperator and he said youcould probably help me
out withthis. What arethe restrictions forracing with an injury
(broken legjust out of thecast)? Is it, or isit not legal to roll off
the gateand immediatelyturn around and goback to staging lanes or
spectatorarea with outfinishing the race?Not even riding to the first
obstacle!I don't meanonce and a whilebut every moto and main event. He
isgetting 3rd placeexpert pointsdoing this. This has happened over
thelast two weeks ofracing atRiver Valley BMX and I'm suspect he
willcontinue till theend of theseason. My son races against him and
askedme about it. Ichecked therule book but didn't really find
anythingthat applied (notreal goodat going through so many rules). I
didn'tmention the boy'sname justin case he is playing by the book. If
thereis a problem, letme knowand I will file a complaint against him
orwhat ever I have todo. Idon't want to cause any trouble but I
justwant the racing to befair.Thank you for your time and info on
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To: BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com
From: dirty_burd_71@...
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:25:09 +0000
Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Re: Rule question / racing concerns---Sent to ABA

I can understand crashing and not finishing but it's the intentional
DNFs EVERY time, moto after moto, day after day, week after week that
makes me wonder. There is no real reason to do this as far as I can
see unless you have a top ten spot you are protecting. He isn't doing
that. It should be illegal just for being a nuisance.
My $.02
Bruce

--- In BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com, knuckle dirty <dirtyknuckle@...>
wrote:
>
> The rider who actually rode the track would get the better finish.
If neither rode the track, they should be put to last (both of them)
and given rider points only.
>
> And yes, you can give more than one rider a last place finish---we
have shared 8th place finishes with other riders after a crash and
neither rider finished the track.
>
> Did not start (DNS) and Did not finish (DNF) are terms in the ABA
rule book for this type of thing.
>
>
> I'm with Scott, if you have enough to get on the gate three times,
you have enough to coast the track three times.
>
>
> To: BakerviewBMX@...: dirty_burd_71@...: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:45:07
+0000Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Re: Rule question / racing
concerns---Sent to ABA
>
>
>
>
> In this case it doesn't make a class. Plenty of kids were there
aboutthe same age to make a class. I just wonder how it would be
scored ifanother rider did the same thing every time in the same
motos. Whowould get the 3rd and who would get the 4th if there were
four on thegate? Also, is it really racing not to race at all? It's
one thing tocrash, loose a chain or something like that and come back
next timeand race but to NOT race is NOT TO RACE. The ABA has the
final word sowe'll just wait and see. I'll stand by what ever they
say.Bruce--- In BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com, knuckle dirty
<dirtyknuckle@>wrote:>> Very true.> > And helps build a class too...>
> > To: bakerviewbmx@: thebgang@: Tue, 27 Nov 2007
18:48:24-0700Subject: RE: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question /
racingconcerns---Sent to ABA> > > > > I'm not 100% sure but i wouldn't
think it would matter if he crossedthe line or not he will still get
last place for the day.It would bethe same thing as if he had wrecked
and not finished at all. Bob> > > To: bakerviewbmx@: dirtyknuckle@:
Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:28:55+0000Subject: RE: [BakerviewBMX] Rule
question / racingconcerns---Sent to ABA> > > From what limited
knowledge I posses, the rider in question needs tocross the finish
line.Cut the track and wait, but still needs tofinish...I may be
incorrect on this.> > > To: BakerviewBMX@: dirty_burd_71@: Sun, 25 Nov
2007 01:50:56+0000Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing
concerns---Sent to ABA> > > I'm not one to make waves but I had a
legitimate question aboutracingrules and I wanted an unbiased answer.
The following was sent totheABA. If they are not concerned then no
foul, no problem. Letthepoints fall where they may. If there is a
problem, we'll deal withitaccordingly.---------------Hello, My son,
William Burd, 12 expert,races BMX and his home trackis Bakerview BMX
in Mount Vernon, Wa.WA01. I don't like botheringanyone with questions
like this but therehave been enough otherparents talking about it I
had to check it outwith someone that wouldknow. I was given your name
by our trackoperator and he said youcould probably help me out with
this. What arethe restrictions forracing with an injury (broken leg
just out of thecast)? Is it, or isit not legal to roll off the gate
and immediatelyturn around and goback to staging lanes or spectator
area with outfinishing the race?Not even riding to the first obstacle!
I don't meanonce and a whilebut every moto and main event. He is
getting 3rd placeexpert pointsdoing this. This has happened over the
last two weeks ofracing atRiver Valley BMX and I'm suspect he will
continue till theend of theseason. My son races against him and asked
me about it. Ichecked therule book but didn't really find anything
that applied (notreal goodat going through so many rules). I didn't
mention the boy'sname justin case he is playing by the book. If there
is a problem, letme knowand I will file a complaint against him or
what ever I have todo. Idon't want to cause any trouble but I just
want the racing to befair.Thank you for your time and info on this
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I can understand crashing and not finishing but it's the intentional
DNFs EVERY time, moto after moto, day after day, week after week that
makes me wonder. There is no real reason to do this as far as I can
see unless you have a top ten spot you are protecting. He isn't doing
that. It should be illegal just for being a nuisance.
My $.02
Bruce

--- In BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com, knuckle dirty <dirtyknuckle@...>
wrote:
>
> The rider who actually rode the track would get the better finish.
If neither rode the track, they should be put to last (both of them)
and given rider points only.
>
> And yes, you can give more than one rider a last place finish---we
have shared 8th place finishes with other riders after a crash and
neither rider finished the track.
>
> Did not start (DNS) and Did not finish (DNF) are terms in the ABA
rule book for this type of thing.
>
>
> I'm with Scott, if you have enough to get on the gate three times,
you have enough to coast the track three times.
>
>
> To: BakerviewBMX@...: dirty_burd_71@...: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:45:07
+0000Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Re: Rule question / racing
concerns---Sent to ABA
>
>
>
>
> In this case it doesn't make a class. Plenty of kids were there
aboutthe same age to make a class. I just wonder how it would be
scored ifanother rider did the same thing every time in the same
motos. Whowould get the 3rd and who would get the 4th if there were
four on thegate? Also, is it really racing not to race at all? It's
one thing tocrash, loose a chain or something like that and come back
next timeand race but to NOT race is NOT TO RACE. The ABA has the
final word sowe'll just wait and see. I'll stand by what ever they
say.Bruce--- In BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com, knuckle dirty
<dirtyknuckle@>wrote:>> Very true.> > And helps build a class too...>
> > To: bakerviewbmx@: thebgang@: Tue, 27 Nov 2007
18:48:24-0700Subject: RE: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question /
racingconcerns---Sent to ABA> > > > > I'm not 100% sure but i wouldn't
think it would matter if he crossedthe line or not he will still get
last place for the day.It would bethe same thing as if he had wrecked
and not finished at all. Bob> > > To: bakerviewbmx@: dirtyknuckle@:
Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:28:55+0000Subject: RE: [BakerviewBMX] Rule
question / racingconcerns---Sent to ABA> > > From what limited
knowledge I posses, the rider in question needs tocross the finish
line.Cut the track and wait, but still needs tofinish...I may be
incorrect on this.> > > To: BakerviewBMX@: dirty_burd_71@: Sun, 25 Nov
2007 01:50:56+0000Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing
concerns---Sent to ABA> > > I'm not one to make waves but I had a
legitimate question aboutracingrules and I wanted an unbiased answer.
The following was sent totheABA. If they are not concerned then no
foul, no problem. Letthepoints fall where they may. If there is a
problem, we'll deal withitaccordingly.---------------Hello, My son,
William Burd, 12 expert,races BMX and his home trackis Bakerview BMX
in Mount Vernon, Wa.WA01. I don't like botheringanyone with questions
like this but therehave been enough otherparents talking about it I
had to check it outwith someone that wouldknow. I was given your name
by our trackoperator and he said youcould probably help me out with
this. What arethe restrictions forracing with an injury (broken leg
just out of thecast)? Is it, or isit not legal to roll off the gate
and immediatelyturn around and goback to staging lanes or spectator
area with outfinishing the race?Not even riding to the first obstacle!
I don't meanonce and a whilebut every moto and main event. He is
getting 3rd placeexpert pointsdoing this. This has happened over the
last two weeks ofracing atRiver Valley BMX and I'm suspect he will
continue till theend of theseason. My son races against him and asked
me about it. Ichecked therule book but didn't really find anything
that applied (notreal goodat going through so many rules). I didn't
mention the boy'sname justin case he is playing by the book. If there
is a problem, letme knowand I will file a complaint against him or
what ever I have todo. Idon't want to cause any trouble but I just
want the racing to befair.Thank you for your time and info on this
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To: BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com
From: dirty_burd_71@...
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:45:07 +0000
Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Re: Rule question / racing concerns---Sent to ABA

In this case it doesn't make a class. Plenty of kids were there about
the same age to make a class. I just wonder how it would be scored if
another rider did the same thing every time in the same motos. Who
would get the 3rd and who would get the 4th if there were four on the
gate? Also, is it really racing not to race at all? It's one thing to
crash, loose a chain or something like that and come back next time
and race but to NOT race is NOT TO RACE. The ABA has the final word so
we'll just wait and see. I'll stand by what ever they say.
Bruce
--- In BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com, knuckle dirty <dirtyknuckle@...>
wrote:
>
> Very true.
>
> And helps build a class too...
>
>
> To: bakerviewbmx@...: thebgang@...: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:48:24
-0700Subject: RE: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing
concerns---Sent to ABA
>
>
>
>
> I'm not 100% sure but i wouldn't think it would matter if he crossed
the line or not he will still get last place for the day.It would be
the same thing as if he had wrecked and not finished at all. Bob
>
>
> To: bakerviewbmx@...: dirtyknuckle@...: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:28:55
+0000Subject: RE: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing
concerns---Sent to ABA
>
>
> From what limited knowledge I posses, the rider in question needs to
cross the finish line.Cut the track and wait, but still needs to
finish...I may be incorrect on this.
>
>
> To: BakerviewBMX@...: dirty_burd_71@...: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:50:56
+0000Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing concerns---Sent to ABA
>
>
> I'm not one to make waves but I had a legitimate question about
racingrules and I wanted an unbiased answer. The following was sent to
theABA. If they are not concerned then no foul, no problem. Let
thepoints fall where they may. If there is a problem, we'll deal with
itaccordingly.---------------Hello, My son, William Burd, 12 expert,
races BMX and his home trackis Bakerview BMX in Mount Vernon, Wa.
WA01. I don't like botheringanyone with questions like this but there
have been enough otherparents talking about it I had to check it out
with someone that wouldknow. I was given your name by our track
operator and he said youcould probably help me out with this. What are
the restrictions forracing with an injury (broken leg just out of the
cast)? Is it, or isit not legal to roll off the gate and immediately
turn around and goback to staging lanes or spectator area with out
finishing the race?Not even riding to the first obstacle! I don't mean
once and a whilebut every moto and main event. He is getting 3rd place
expert pointsdoing this. This has happened over the last two weeks of
racing atRiver Valley BMX and I'm suspect he will continue till the
end of theseason. My son races against him and asked me about it. I
checked therule book but didn't really find anything that applied (not
real goodat going through so many rules). I didn't mention the boy's
name justin case he is playing by the book. If there is a problem, let
me knowand I will file a complaint against him or what ever I have to
do. Idon't want to cause any trouble but I just want the racing to be
fair.Thank you for your time and info on this matter.Respectfully,
Bruce Burd
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From what limited knowledge I posses, the rider in question needs to cross the finish line.
Cut the track and wait, but still needs to finish...I may be incorrect on this.

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To: BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com
From: dirty_burd_71@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:50:56 +0000
Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing concerns---Sent to ABA

I'm not one to make waves but I had a legitimate question about racing
rules and I wanted an unbiased answer. The following was sent to the
ABA. If they are not concerned then no foul, no problem. Let the
points fall where they may. If there is a problem, we'll deal with it
accordingly.--------
-------
Hello, My son, William Burd, 12 expert, races BMX and his home track
is Bakerview BMX in Mount Vernon, Wa. WA01. I don't like bothering
anyone with questions like this but there have been enough other
parents talking about it I had to check it out with someone that would
know. I was given your name by our track operator and he said you
could probably help me out with this. What are the restrictions for
racing with an injury (broken leg just out of the cast)? Is it, or is
it not legal to roll off the gate and immediately turn around and go
back to staging lanes or spectator area with out finishing the race?
Not even riding to the first obstacle! I don't mean once and a while
but every moto and main event. He is getting 3rd place expert points
doing this. This has happened over the last two weeks of racing at
River Valley BMX and I'm suspect he will continue till the end of the
season. My son races against him and asked me about it. I checked the
rule book but didn't really find anything that applied (not real good
at going through so many rules). I didn't mention the boy's name just
in case he is playing by the book. If there is a problem, let me know
and I will file a complaint against him or what ever I have to do. I
don't want to cause any trouble but I just want the racing to be fair.
Thank you for your time and info on this matter.
Respectfully, Bruce Burd

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In this case it doesn't make a class. Plenty of kids were there about
the same age to make a class. I just wonder how it would be scored if
another rider did the same thing every time in the same motos. Who
would get the 3rd and who would get the 4th if there were four on the
gate? Also, is it really racing not to race at all? It's one thing to
crash, loose a chain or something like that and come back next time
and race but to NOT race is NOT TO RACE. The ABA has the final word so
we'll just wait and see. I'll stand by what ever they say.
Bruce
--- In BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com, knuckle dirty <dirtyknuckle@...>
wrote:
>
> Very true.
>
> And helps build a class too...
>
>
> To: bakerviewbmx@...: thebgang@...: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:48:24
-0700Subject: RE: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing
concerns---Sent to ABA
>
>
>
>
> I'm not 100% sure but i wouldn't think it would matter if he crossed
the line or not he will still get last place for the day.It would be
the same thing as if he had wrecked and not finished at all. Bob
>
>
> To: bakerviewbmx@...: dirtyknuckle@...: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:28:55
+0000Subject: RE: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing
concerns---Sent to ABA
>
>
> From what limited knowledge I posses, the rider in question needs to
cross the finish line.Cut the track and wait, but still needs to
finish...I may be incorrect on this.
>
>
> To: BakerviewBMX@...: dirty_burd_71@...: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:50:56
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> I'm not one to make waves but I had a legitimate question about
racingrules and I wanted an unbiased answer. The following was sent to
theABA. If they are not concerned then no foul, no problem. Let
thepoints fall where they may. If there is a problem, we'll deal with
itaccordingly.---------------Hello, My son, William Burd, 12 expert,
races BMX and his home trackis Bakerview BMX in Mount Vernon, Wa.
WA01. I don't like botheringanyone with questions like this but there
have been enough otherparents talking about it I had to check it out
with someone that wouldknow. I was given your name by our track
operator and he said youcould probably help me out with this. What are
the restrictions forracing with an injury (broken leg just out of the
cast)? Is it, or isit not legal to roll off the gate and immediately
turn around and goback to staging lanes or spectator area with out
finishing the race?Not even riding to the first obstacle! I don't mean
once and a whilebut every moto and main event. He is getting 3rd place
expert pointsdoing this. This has happened over the last two weeks of
racing atRiver Valley BMX and I'm suspect he will continue till the
end of theseason. My son races against him and asked me about it. I
checked therule book but didn't really find anything that applied (not
real goodat going through so many rules). I didn't mention the boy's
name justin case he is playing by the book. If there is a problem, let
me knowand I will file a complaint against him or what ever I have to
do. Idon't want to cause any trouble but I just want the racing to be
fair.Thank you for your time and info on this matter.Respectfully,
Bruce Burd
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To: bakerviewbmx@yahoogroups.com
From: thebgang@...
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:48:24 -0700
Subject: RE: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing concerns---Sent to ABA

I'm not 100% sure but i wouldn't think it would matter if he crossed the line or not he will still get last place for the day.It would be the same thing as if he had wrecked and not finished at all. Bob

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To: bakerviewbmx@yahoogroups.com
From: dirtyknuckle@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:28:55 +0000
Subject: RE: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing concerns---Sent to ABA

From what limited knowledge I posses, the rider in question needs to cross the finish line.
Cut the track and wait, but still needs to finish...I may be incorrect on this.

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To: BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com
From: dirty_burd_71@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:50:56 +0000
Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing concerns---Sent to ABA

I'm not one to make waves but I had a legitimate question about racing
rules and I wanted an unbiased answer. The following was sent to the
ABA. If they are not concerned then no foul, no problem. Let the
points fall where they may. If there is a problem, we'll deal with it
accordingly.--------
-------
Hello, My son, William Burd, 12 expert, races BMX and his home track
is Bakerview BMX in Mount Vernon, Wa. WA01. I don't like bothering
anyone with questions like this but there have been enough other
parents talking about it I had to check it out with someone that would
know. I was given your name by our track operator and he said you
could probably help me out with this. What are the restrictions for
racing with an injury (broken leg just out of the cast)? Is it, or is
it not legal to roll off the gate and immediately turn around and go
back to staging lanes or spectator area with out finishing the race?
Not even riding to the first obstacle! I don't mean once and a while
but every moto and main event. He is getting 3rd place expert points
doing this. This has happened over the last two weeks of racing at
River Valley BMX and I'm suspect he will continue till the end of the
season. My son races against him and asked me about it. I checked the
rule book but didn't really find anything that applied (not real good
at going through so many rules). I didn't mention the boy's name just
in case he is playing by the book. If there is a problem, let me know
and I will file a complaint against him or what ever I have to do. I
don't want to cause any trouble but I just want the racing to be fair.
Thank you for your time and info on this matter.
Respectfully, Bruce Burd

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To: bakerviewbmx@yahoogroups.com
From: dirtyknuckle@...
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:28:55 +0000
Subject: RE: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing concerns---Sent to ABA

From what limited knowledge I posses, the rider in question needs to cross the finish line.
Cut the track and wait, but still needs to finish...I may be incorrect on this.

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To: BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com
From: dirty_burd_71@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:50:56 +0000
Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing concerns---Sent to ABA

I'm not one to make waves but I had a legitimate question about racing
rules and I wanted an unbiased answer. The following was sent to the
ABA. If they are not concerned then no foul, no problem. Let the
points fall where they may. If there is a problem, we'll deal with it
accordingly.--------
-------
Hello, My son, William Burd, 12 expert, races BMX and his home track
is Bakerview BMX in Mount Vernon, Wa. WA01. I don't like bothering
anyone with questions like this but there have been enough other
parents talking about it I had to check it out with someone that would
know. I was given your name by our track operator and he said you
could probably help me out with this. What are the restrictions for
racing with an injury (broken leg just out of the cast)? Is it, or is
it not legal to roll off the gate and immediately turn around and go
back to staging lanes or spectator area with out finishing the race?
Not even riding to the first obstacle! I don't mean once and a while
but every moto and main event. He is getting 3rd place expert points
doing this. This has happened over the last two weeks of racing at
River Valley BMX and I'm suspect he will continue till the end of the
season. My son races against him and asked me about it. I checked the
rule book but didn't really find anything that applied (not real good
at going through so many rules). I didn't mention the boy's name just
in case he is playing by the book. If there is a problem, let me know
and I will file a complaint against him or what ever I have to do. I
don't want to cause any trouble but I just want the racing to be fair.
Thank you for your time and info on this matter.
Respectfully, Bruce Burd

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To: BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com
From: dirty_burd_71@...
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:50:56 +0000
Subject: [BakerviewBMX] Rule question / racing concerns---Sent to ABA

I'm not one to make waves but I had a legitimate question about racing
rules and I wanted an unbiased answer. The following was sent to the
ABA. If they are not concerned then no foul, no problem. Let the
points fall where they may. If there is a problem, we'll deal with it
accordingly.--------
-------
Hello, My son, William Burd, 12 expert, races BMX and his home track
is Bakerview BMX in Mount Vernon, Wa. WA01. I don't like bothering
anyone with questions like this but there have been enough other
parents talking about it I had to check it out with someone that would
know. I was given your name by our track operator and he said you
could probably help me out with this. What are the restrictions for
racing with an injury (broken leg just out of the cast)? Is it, or is
it not legal to roll off the gate and immediately turn around and go
back to staging lanes or spectator area with out finishing the race?
Not even riding to the first obstacle! I don't mean once and a while
but every moto and main event. He is getting 3rd place expert points
doing this. This has happened over the last two weeks of racing at
River Valley BMX and I'm suspect he will continue till the end of the
season. My son races against him and asked me about it. I checked the
rule book but didn't really find anything that applied (not real good
at going through so many rules). I didn't mention the boy's name just
in case he is playing by the book. If there is a problem, let me know
and I will file a complaint against him or what ever I have to do. I
don't want to cause any trouble but I just want the racing to be fair.
Thank you for your time and info on this matter.
Respectfully, Bruce Burd

I'm not one to make waves but I had a legitimate question about racing
rules and I wanted an unbiased answer. The following was sent to the
ABA. If they are not concerned then no foul, no problem. Let the
points fall where they may. If there is a problem, we'll deal with it
accordingly.--------
-------
Hello, My son, William Burd, 12 expert, races BMX and his home track
is Bakerview BMX in Mount Vernon, Wa. WA01. I don't like bothering
anyone with questions like this but there have been enough other
parents talking about it I had to check it out with someone that would
know. I was given your name by our track operator and he said you
could probably help me out with this. What are the restrictions for
racing with an injury (broken leg just out of the cast)? Is it, or is
it not legal to roll off the gate and immediately turn around and go
back to staging lanes or spectator area with out finishing the race?
Not even riding to the first obstacle! I don't mean once and a while
but every moto and main event. He is getting 3rd place expert points
doing this. This has happened over the last two weeks of racing at
River Valley BMX and I'm suspect he will continue till the end of the
season. My son races against him and asked me about it. I checked the
rule book but didn't really find anything that applied (not real good
at going through so many rules). I didn't mention the boy's name just
in case he is playing by the book. If there is a problem, let me know
and I will file a complaint against him or what ever I have to do. I
don't want to cause any trouble but I just want the racing to be fair.
Thank you for your time and info on this matter.
Respectfully, Bruce Burd

Mark from River Valley BMX said the track is in good condition and
they will be racing there this weekend. Is there anyone going down to
River Valley Sunday morning? If so would Dirty Burd be able to hitch a
ride with you? I'm going to be racing my lawn mower in Roy that same
morning and can't get him to Sumner for him to race. Let me know.
THANKS! Dirty Burd Sr. (Bruce)

Don't hang up your bike just yet ! Weatherman is promising a great
weekend for Racing @ Bakerview BMX Saturday & Sunday, signups 2:00 to
3:00 ( October 13th & 14th )
When there, don't forget to cast your vote for this years nominated
riders.
Year End Awards Potluck for Bakerview BMX is set for November 16th,
friday evening @ Hill Crest Lodge in Mt. Vernon.
Come Join Us !
Scot Johnston

Make it happen Monte ! Lot's of Washington riders would head North.
Scot

How many people would support a ABA indoor in canada?? I am going to a meeting tomorrow night and would like to know how many washington riders they could expect if they allowed us to come up. This is still in the planning stages and may not happen, but there is a group of people(including me) that are going to be making a presentation and i need to be able to tell them how many riders would support them since we are without a indoor in washington state this year. 

reply and let me know if you would support a ABA indoor program right across the border. If we could double a current programs rider numbers, they might like it.........cross your fingers.

Monty Cavadini

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How many people would support a ABA indoor in canada?? I am going to a meeting tomorrow night and would like to know how many washington riders they could expect if they allowed us to come up. This is still in the planning stages and may not happen, but there is a group of people(including me) that are going to be making a presentation and i need to be able to tell them how many riders would support them since we are without a indoor in washington state this year. 

reply and let me know if you would support a ABA indoor program right across the border. If we could double a current programs rider numbers, they might like it.........cross your fingers.

Monty Cavadini

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--- In BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com, cavadinibmx@... wrote:
> You already probably put me on the list but just wanted to make
sure.You know we would show up just like in years past.The Burgess
gang is up for that.Bob Burgess
> How many people would support a ABA indoor in canada?? I am going
to a meeting tomorrow night and would like to know how many
washington riders they could expect if they allowed us to come up.
This is still in the planning stages and may not happen, but there is
a group of people(including me)?that are going to be making a
presentation and i need to be able to tell them how many riders would
support them since we are without a indoor in washington state this
year.?
>
> reply and let me know if you would support a ABA indoor program
right across the border. If we could double a current programs rider
numbers, they might like it.........cross your fingers.
>
> Monty Cavadini
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: cavadinibmx@...
Sent: Oct 9, 2007 11:02 AM
To: bmxtalk@yahoogroups.com, bakerviewbmx@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BakerviewBMX] INDOOR IN CANADA???

How many people would support a ABA indoor in canada?? I am going to a meeting tomorrow night and would like to know how many washington riders they could expect if they allowed us to come up. This is still in the planning stages and may not happen, but there is a group of people(including me) that are going to be making a presentation and i need to be able to tell them how many riders would support them since we are without a indoor in washington state this year. 

reply and let me know if you would support a ABA indoor program right across the border. If we could double a current programs rider numbers, they might like it.........cross your fingers.

Monty Cavadini

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-----Original Message-----
From: BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of cavadinibmx@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:02 AM
To: bmxtalk@yahoogroups.com; bakerviewbmx@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BakerviewBMX] INDOOR IN CANADA???

How many people would support a ABA indoor in canada?? I am going to a meeting tomorrow night and would like to know how many washington riders they could expect if they allowed us to come up. This is still in the planning stages and may not happen, but there is a group of people(including me) that are going to be making a presentation and i need to be able to tell them how many riders would support them since we are without a indoor in washington state this year. 

reply and let me know if you would support a ABA indoor program right across the border. If we could double a current programs rider numbers, they might like it.........cross your fingers.

Monty Cavadini

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hey scot just heads up about austin he is doing much better he gained about 20 lbs and looks great energy up been doing running sprints to keep leg muscles up he is so avid about his racing....... we are so sorry about not being apart of the race team this year austin really needed some r&r and be on the right meds and gain some weight these last couple of months have been rough on him he wanted me to tell you hello and to see when the next couple races are in october thanks scot alaine hatfield 425-374-7555

bakerviewbmx <bakerviewbmx@yahoo.com> wrote:

Earned Double @ Bakerview Sept. 22nd, signups 2:00 to 3:00.
Mystery Moto's
Kona Bike Raffle
Single Point Sunday, signups 2:00 to 3:00
Final Thursday Night Race Sept. 27th, signups 6:00 to 6:30

Note: it is my understanding that McCollum Park BMX is now racing only
Saturday's, signups 10:00 to 11:00.

Scot Johnston

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Earned Double @ Bakerview Sept. 22nd, signups 2:00 to 3:00.
Mystery Moto's
Kona Bike Raffle
Single Point Sunday, signups 2:00 to 3:00
Final Thursday Night Race Sept. 27th, signups 6:00 to 6:30

Note: it is my understanding that McCollum Park BMX is now racing only
Saturday's, signups 10:00 to 11:00.

Scot Johnston

Earned Double @ Bakerview Sept. 22nd, signups 2:00 to 3:00.
Mystery Moto's
Kona Bike Raffle
Single Point Sunday, signups 2:00 to 3:00
Final Thursday Night Race Sept. 27th, signups 6:00 to 6:30

Note: it is my understanding that McCollum Park BMX is now racing only
Saturday's, signups 10:00 to 11:00.

Scot Johnston

Thursday Night Thunder Race August 30th, signup's 6:00 to 7:00

Bakerview BMX will be Racing Saturday & Sunday over the Labor Day
weekend and may be the only West side track running.
Sept. 1st & 2nd, signups 2:00 to 3:00.

Sept. 7th - 9th River Valley State Finals Weekend.

Sept. 22nd Bakerview BMX Earned Double Point Race, signups 2:00 to 3:00.

Scot Johnston

We were in Grand Junction, CO., Tucson, AZ., and Apple Valley, CA. so
far and Dirty Burd picked up 3 wins and a third place. We should be in
Chico, CA. on Thursday for a race there. We don't get computer access
all the time so I'm at the library in Rancho Cucamonga, Ca. using
theirs!
See you all when we get back!
Dirty Sr.

Scott,

If your having problems with your Bakerview Yahoo! Group

Please feel free to email me and I would be glad to try and

help you out some.

 

Take care,

 

Geneb...Wenatchee,Washington-USA
   All Things Northwest in BMX!
    ***** Gene`s BMX *****
    http://www.genesbmx.com

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: scot johnston

To: BakerviewBMX@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:25 PM

Subject: Re: [BakerviewBMX] Re: You've received a private message from a friend!

I had just recently changed group settings to ' Moderator ' approval for new members. Not sure whats going on. If anyone is more computer savvy then I, let me know ... this could get out of hand.

Scot

Bruce <dirty_burd_71@yahoo.com> wrote:

This is a typical SPAMMER!!! These messages will just become more
prevalent as time passes. The group needs to be moderated, at least
for membership. I have a group on Yahoo and now check everyone that
wants to join. You'd be suprized how many SPAMMERS want on these
groups and message boards so you'll notice them and maybe look at
their CRA... uh, er, I mean CRUD.
That's my two cents, Dirty Burd Sr.
P.S. We may be in Grand Junction, Co. on Tuesday for their evening
race! We'll see..........
P.P.S. HI BLAIN!!

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