WOW!! What a birthday present!  She's a sweet machine and I'm really
enjoying the lighter wheels and shorter frame than my stock mid-size
Giro.  The paint job is beautiful, but gonna have to get this bod
into better shape to make the flames believeable!  Again, thanks to
John and Spectrum for a beautiful Giro!  J

Joel,  What is in a name--especially when it comes to colors?  Mine
has a "silver sparkle" base coat with a "lollipop red" top coat. No
clear coat but it really shines with two coats of good wax.

Your coater was recommended to me but I was reluctant to try to deal
by remote on color choice and design.  I also needed a new shipping
box for the frame.  I hated to deal with the hazards of shipping and
also did not want to wait a long time for my frame to be ready.  Then
there was the cost.

Curious how much your coating job cost and how much shipping cost
(where do you live?).  If you do not mind sharing you can tell me off-
forum.


--- In Bacchetta_Bikes@yahoogroups.com, "drjeh1" <drjeh@c...> wrote:
> Don,
>
> The color is a "candy apple red."  It has a gold base coat, a
> transparent red metallic color coat, then a clear coat.  Looks
> amazing in the sunlight.
>
> Joel

I'd appreciate info on what changes/improvements were made between
the 2002 and 2003 Strada and whether the parts have been made
available to retrofit a 2002.

Thanks for any help,
Barry

Don,

The color is a "candy apple red."  It has a gold base coat, a
transparent red metallic color coat, then a clear coat.  Looks
amazing in the sunlight.

Joel

Jason wrote:

> Is there any advantage to using the mid-ship rack v. the rear rack?
> The Bacchetta web site mentions better weight distribution, but I'm
> not sure what that means - faster overall, faster up hills, more
> stable ride?  Or maybe a rear rack is better?  Not sure, just wanted
> your opinion.

Lots of people responded, but I have another question:  What are all you
people carrying?  I have a FastBack hydration pack with removable tool bag
on my Giro seat back.  The hydration pack holds my 70 oz Platypus water
bladder, and there's a removable sleeve for my Topeak Master Blaster pump.
The tool bag holds a slew of stuff: 4 tubes (2 each for my different sized
wheels), allen wrench set, patch kit, some other tools, sunscreen, sweat
rag, asthma inhaler, energy bars, wallet and cell phone, and there's STILL
room if I buy an extra bottle of Gatorade.  If I had to bring a windbreaker
or something, it would fit with no problem.

Granted, there's no room for a lap top computer or an extra pair of shoes,
but for a long day ride (I rode 65 miles on Saturday and 58 on Monday), it's
plenty of space, and it has no effect whatso ever on handling.

Shari Bernhard
Plantation, FL
Bacchetta Giro  RANS V-Rex  RANS Screamer  Greenspeed GTO
     ~0           ~0           0   ~0          ~0
      \\/\%        \\/\%      \\/\_\\/\%       \\/\-%
_____O___o________O___o_______O____+___O______O--O-O_____

Bacchetta's famous left-hand front brake is a remarkable mirror-image copy
of the Shimano Ultegra/Durace brakeset.  But the one thing they didn't
mirror too well is the pad.  I find that the pads that come standard with
the Aero don't grip the Velocity rims very well. The rubber is very stiff
and they tend to make a gritty sandpaper noise when braking.  They also have
a tendency to pick up grit that becomes imbedded in the pad. Anyone else
have this problem?

I found that by simply replacing the Bacchetta pads with genuine Durace
increases braking performance significantly.  The raspy braking sounds
cease, and you gain considerable control.  The Durace pads are virtually
identical in shape, and so replacement is a snap. A big boost in braking
power for only $10 per wheel!
--
Best, Matt

Congratulations on your bike choice. I really like my Giro, but one word of
advice "Don't overdo". You really haven't got your bent legs yet. If you do
some long rides with hills, SPIN up them. As a matter of fact just spin for
the first several hundred miles.
It is common practice for new riders to go out and push hard early on,
because riding a bent is so much fun and they want to keep up with thier
buds. It can cause real problems with the knees.
I really want you to enjoy your new ride, and you will, but it takes some
time to get adjusted. Your speed will only increase
Denny in Sayre, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "hwadler" <hwadler@...>
To: <Bacchetta_Bikes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:35 AM
Subject: [Bacchetta_Bikes] Giro test ride


> Next Monday I'll do a 40 mile flat club ride and Thursday a 50
> mile club ride with about 1500' of climbing. Will know how good
> the Giro is or how bad I am. :-).
>
> When I get my bent muscles I'll try some real climbs.
> --
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> Email: hwadler@...
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>

Looks like I'm going to be the new owner of a used Giro as of this
Friday, thanks to Nanda Holtz. Not only did he let me ride his Giro
but he took my girlfriend and me for a ~35 mile ride around Brentwood.

We started out on a bike trail where we got my girlfriend (an
accomplished DF rider) to try his wife's Stratus and then the Giro.

When we hit traffic she went back to her DF and I on the Giro tried to
keep up with Nanda on the Stratus. Next he found some hills for me to
see if I could climb with the Giro.

We finished off with a stop for cold drinks and then back to Nanda's home.

This was hospitality above and beyond. I had expected a shot ride
around the block but he gave me a real test. I was praying I would not
crash on his bike.

I can't say enough about what a great person he is.  Thanks Nanda!

My girlfriend and I talked later and we felt that I would not be any
slower on the Giro than on my DF and I might be faster climbing with
the Giro. As I get conditioned to the Giro I should only improve.

With that in mind I called the current Giro owner and we made a deal.
I pick up the bike Friday.

Next Monday I'll do a 40 mile flat club ride and Thursday a 50
mile club ride with about 1500' of climbing. Will know how good
the Giro is or how bad I am. :-).

When I get my bent muscles I'll try some real climbs.
--
Web site: www.wadler.org
Email: hwadler@...

"Don't sit
in the pack and feather your brakes and rest. Use your aerodynamic
advantage and get out of the pack and muster all the speed you can.
You must carry this extra speed into the base of the next hill and
hold the highest gear you can on the uphill. Stay on the Big chain
ring and big gear as long as you can. Turning over that big gear just"
Snip...

Hey,
Really great story but don't count the Aero short on climbs with the upright
boy's. On climbs like you described in your funny story the Aero will out
climb even the DF guy's on the uphill sections combined with its aerodynamic
efficiency it will just devastate a pack of riders of equal fitness with the
Aero rider.
As your fitness improves do ride pacelines with the guy's/gal's and feather
the brakes and hang with them on any climbs. That always fry's them since
they know what happens when you let the thing loose on the decents. I think
that you proved to them that the Aero is fast and next time you can make
nice to the enemy.
Really that is a blast to! Who knows which one out there secretly wants a
bike like the Aero!
I know I have talked a few VERY fast CAT riders into Aero's!
Take care...

Kevin

Hi Warren -

I will try some contact cement.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Regards,
Ralph

Hi Warren -

I will try some contact cement.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Regards,
Ralph

--- In Bacchetta_Bikes@yahoogroups.com, "DSHAULIS" <dshaulis@y...>
wrote:
> HB,  check the previous thread on the fork and the Spaero for
> details.  As I remember, the fork is not available yet from B.
John
> said it may or may not be available without a bike attached in the
> future.  Maybe the manufacturer will offer it on the market.
>
> Installing the carbon fork on a stock Giro frame is problematic
(at
> best).  Be aware of some important points that were mentioned
> (actually, revealed to me in bits and pieces through strict cross
> examining of John):
>
> 1.  The carbon fork will not accept fat tires.  It is strictly a
go-
> fast, skinny-tire fork.
>
> 2.  It is a lower profile design than the stock Giro fork so it
will
> require an extension of the head tube to maintain bike geometry.
>
> 3.  Since the fork will not accept V-brakes it will require a new
> brake and maybe a new lever.
>
> I have already decided that trying to upgrade the fork on my
custom
> Giro is a loosing proposition.  The cost/benefit ratio just was
not
> there.  The head tube extension was the fatal blow.
>
> Don

Hi Don,

Thanks for all the information on the fork, I had no idea of all the
details surrounding it.  Seems like there is a headtube extender
that Serotta sells that you hammer into the headtube.  Maybe this
would deal w/that issue?  Thanks again for the info Don!  HB

I rearraged my photos.  The complete bike is now #28

--- In Bacchetta_Bikes@yahoogroups.com, "DSHAULIS" <dshaulis@y...>
wrote:
> I finally got a digital picture of my completed bike.  It is #26
> under Photos>bikes

I finally got a digital picture of my completed bike.  It is #26
under Photos>bikes

> Joel
> Riding a Strada in Kansas

===========

It looks great, Joel.  My Strada is at Spectrum awaiting a multicolor
makeup also.  I'm glad to hear you approve of their work. Based on
their web site, I just sent it out there. For anyone wondering, the
pix are under the Jeanette folder.

Rod Kuehl
Riverview, FL

Joel,  What color is that?  It looks a lot like my bike
(photos>bikes>Don's custom) except for the flames.  My red might be
deeper. It changes color in the light.  Pictures make it hard to
compare.

Great wheel choice.

I posted some pictures of my wife's new Giro.  I'll post a few more
as soon as I can figure out how to get my file size down.

The frame started as a small raw Giro frame John Schlitter obtained
for me.  Spectrum PowderWorks in Colorado Springs provided the
amazing paint job. . .all powder coat, down to the flames, logo and
clear coat.  John was then kind enough to put it together for us.

Thanks to John for all the great help and putting together a
beautiful bike.  Thanks to Sheryl at Spectrum for tolerating all my
questions.  Thanks as well to Steve and Gilbert at Tailwind in
Topeka for advice on parts.

She took it for a spin today, she said it rides like a dream.

Joel
Riding a Strada in Kansas

Hi Denny,
How about having a list somewhere (on the photo page perhaps?) just for
links to personal photo albums that list members may have on sites such as
Ofoto, Clubphoto, Imageevent, etc. That way folks who already have those
services could take the pressure off of the Yahoo site, and still post their
photo links to the group.

Paul John

n 9/1/03 11:39 AM, Dennis Voorhees at dvoorhees@... wrote:

> Hey gang I've just been looking at the photo album. There are some
> really nice pictures in there. It's great seeing the bikes and
> people that ride them. We do have a problem though and I need some
> help on this one. The space is filling up. We are up to 85% of the
> allocated space of 30mb. It appears that this is all the space we
> can get. I don't want to limit the photo's are available and really
> enjoy seeing new ones, so I'm looking for Idea's.
> One thing you can do is get the photo size down as small as you can.
> The newer digital camera's with the 2megapixel plus capability
> really chews up space. I use Photoshop and compress photos down to
> much smaller sizes by saving as Jpeg. I'm sure there are other
> programs out there. It's surprising how little detail is lost in the
> process, especially if your viewing them on a svga display.
> Another Idea is if your taking a photo just for this egroup, take it
> in 640x480 format. This really helps reduce the size without using
> an editor program.
> Thats just a couple of Ideas, if you have any others lets hear them.
>
> Denny in Sayre, Pa
> Owner/moderator Bacchetta_Bikes egroup
>
>
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>

Denny,  Are we running out of space for the site, or just for what is
partitioned off for photos (if it is partitioned at all)?  If it is
just photos, some posters could remove photos if they have posted
more than just one or two of their bike.

I am on another Yahoo forum for TacT audio users.  The moderator
there keeps begging us (with limited cooperation) to not over quote
when we respond to a message.  It is not necessary to keep a long
string of previous messages attached to a two line response.  Would
this help our situation?  Don

It would appear that the vision is mutual, not that there is anything wrong
with that.

JV

At 06:58 AM 9/1/2003, truestorys wrote:
>See, they
>don't
>"see" you as a person, or a bike rider, but just general
>rabble on the
>DF road of life.

Denny,

Don't know the year, do you know how to tell? Even so, do you know any reason
it couldn't adapt? I'd be willing to buy it and try. Send me your price off
line and we'll go from there.

Thanks

EE

--
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Sacramento, CA
95821
Home:  916-481-6559
Office:916-654-7716

Hey gang I've just been looking at the photo album. There are some
really nice pictures in there. It's great seeing the bikes and
people that ride them. We do have a problem though and I need some
help on this one. The space is filling up. We are up to 85% of the
allocated space of 30mb. It appears that this is all the space we
can get. I don't want to limit the photo's are available and really
enjoy seeing new ones, so I'm looking for Idea's.
One thing you can do is get the photo size down as small as you can.
The newer digital camera's with the 2megapixel plus capability
really chews up space. I use Photoshop and compress photos down to
much smaller sizes by saving as Jpeg. I'm sure there are other
programs out there. It's surprising how little detail is lost in the
process, especially if your viewing them on a svga display.
Another Idea is if your taking a photo just for this egroup, take it
in 640x480 format. This really helps reduce the size without using
an editor program.
Thats just a couple of Ideas, if you have any others lets hear them.

Denny in Sayre, Pa
Owner/moderator Bacchetta_Bikes egroup

----- Original Message -----

From: truestorys

To: Bacchetta_Bikes@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:58 AM

Subject: [Bacchetta_Bikes] Rollers, My Aero and Me

I took the Aero out riding Rollers yesterday and Man oh Man did it
fly!

Rollers here in Texas are hills from 100 to 200 feet tall with medium
steepness inclines.

I met up with a group of about 15 Diamond Frame riders at 7:00 am so
we could all beat the heat, do 50 miles and be eating Chicken Fried
Steak by noon at Hobo Junction. I had ridden with this group about 6
months ago, Pre-Aero.  So when I pulled the big wheeled thing out of
the back of the pick up, I got the normal wide eyed, "Here comes
another Geek", look.  Then when I proceed to start the sucker up,
by
throwing my right foot on the pre-positioned right pedal, I discover
that the rear cassette was still on the smallest clog! And I couldn't
turn the front crank without tears and Knee pain. So I reinforce the
recumbent Goob stereotype as I proceeded to do a beautiful flailing,
falling, right hand turn into the side of my new metallic blue Dodge
Ram pickup.  Leaving an attractive 6-foot long deep grooved scar, from
tailgate to front door, right at handle bar height.  I will surly tell
my lovely wife that some psycho with a grocery cart at Wal-Mart, who
must have hated Dodge Trucks, created this new crease on her side of
the truck. Oh God, she'll see the thing EVERY time she gets in!  I'll
be reminded forever, that I haven't fixed the Truck yet and that
I'm
an idiot!

So finally recovering and mounting up, the group leaves the school
parking lot and heads out. In about a mile we have to cross a Major
four-lane highway so we can get to rural country of no cars and
combines. Well the Highway is 'built" up about 5 feet, so there's this
little 30 degree incline to get up and on the highway and we all get
the Stoplight bright red.  SO now I'm a mile into the ride, stopped on
an incline, in a pack of know-it-all upright wedgee riders waiting for
the light to change.  I'll never get this High Bottom Bracket bike
going uphill!

I do the only safe thing.  I get off the Aero. And when the light
turns green, I  walk/trot across the 4-lane highway and into Rural
riding heaven.  Fifteen Uprights stand on their pedals and try and
leave this Loser on a recumbent in the dust.

Oh, but the Aero, not likes to be left in the dust.

It and the new improving legs of its owner, quickly catch the Diamond
Frame pack without collapsing a lung.  I settle onto the back,
recovering and resting as the pack settles into a pace at about
20-mph.    As I sit in the back, no one throws a water bottle or any
negative words my way, but you can read the pack's body language
and
it says, "At the first opportunity we are DROPPING this recumbent
geek!"

And at about the 10-mile mark, opportunity begins to Knock!

Little did I know that we would be riding a 20-mile section of
beautiful little rollers today.  BUT, to get to the first Downhill,
you got to ride up the first uphill.  And the Diamond framed fanatics
drop the Hammer at the site of the first recumbent eating incline.  Of
course, they crest the hill first, and I'm sure I saw several
riders
look backwards, over their shoulders and sneer. As I sat spinning
madly away on my M5 seat and mentally said to myself over and over:
"Spin. Spin, Spin, Spin them legs."

But on the first hill they didn't drop me by much and when I
crested I
saw laid out before me the "Valley of the Aero" as I named it
later.
There were green hills and cactus scrub and downhills that would bring
tears of joy to any recumbent geeks eyes.  So as the pack settles into
their false belief that they've seen the last of that Recumbent
Goob,
I put the chain up on the front 55 tooth crank and begin the
systematic destruction of the Diamond Frames!

Oh the pleasure to come. <g>

The thing about riding rollers on a recumbent with a pack of Upright
bikes is you can't ride with them.  You must use all the recumbent
Downhill advantage you have over the cursed Diamond Frames.
Don't sit
in the pack and feather your brakes and rest.  Use your aerodynamic
advantage and get out of the pack and muster all the speed you can.
You must carry this extra speed into the base of the next hill and
hold the highest gear you can on the uphill.  Stay on the Big chain
ring and big gear as long as you can. Turning over that big gear just
3 or four more times will blast you another 50 feet up the hill.  AND
this just destroys the bikes that are chasing you.

One must always remember, that the "Diamond Frame" brain has
been
conditioned repeatedly that they will catch the over weight fat
recumbent guy on the next hill. Why, they have passed countless
Bike-E's going up hill and their DF brain tells them that you will
soon be burnt toast on the end of a shape DF stick.   See, they
don't
"see" you as a person, or a bike rider, but just general
rabble on the
DF road of life.

So as you charge the next hill, stay in that big gear just 1 or 2 or 3
more turns of the 55 tooth crank.  Push that Gear!  Fly up that hill!
Look in that geekey mirror on your sunglasses and see the Diamond
Frames charge upward in mass confusion as you attempt to hold the
hill.  Some DF'ers will panic and scream out to their kind, that
the
recumbent must be reeled in at all cost!  That their manhood is on the
line!  That Diamond Frames must continue to rule the world!

But their hope will fade as you crest the hill, smile at another
beautiful recumbent downhill, upshift once again, and begin blasting
down the next hill.

Rollers are your friends.

And 20 miles of Rollers is Paradise.

And sometime during this 20 miles of Diamond Frame carnage that is
occurring behind me, I begin to sing this old song from my Hippie
days.

A song by P. F. Sloan.

"The Eve of Destruction"

"But you tell me over, and over, and over, and over again my
friend
You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction
No, no, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction"

Road Bike Destruction that is!


   Don
Hammer Down.
    Man Don what a well writen story.  Grinning from ear to ear.  I don't know how I can wait.  Thanks

Bill (aero wannabe)

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I took the Aero out riding Rollers yesterday and Man oh Man did it
fly!

Rollers here in Texas are hills from 100 to 200 feet tall with medium
steepness inclines.

I met up with a group of about 15 Diamond Frame riders at 7:00 am so
we could all beat the heat, do 50 miles and be eating Chicken Fried
Steak by noon at Hobo Junction. I had ridden with this group about 6
months ago, Pre-Aero.  So when I pulled the big wheeled thing out of
the back of the pick up, I got the normal wide eyed, "Here comes
another Geek", look.  Then when I proceed to start the sucker up,
by
throwing my right foot on the pre-positioned right pedal, I discover
that the rear cassette was still on the smallest clog! And I couldn't
turn the front crank without tears and Knee pain. So I reinforce the
recumbent Goob stereotype as I proceeded to do a beautiful flailing,
falling, right hand turn into the side of my new metallic blue Dodge
Ram pickup.  Leaving an attractive 6-foot long deep grooved scar, from
tailgate to front door, right at handle bar height.  I will surly tell
my lovely wife that some psycho with a grocery cart at Wal-Mart, who
must have hated Dodge Trucks, created this new crease on her side of
the truck. Oh God, she'll see the thing EVERY time she gets in!  I'll
be reminded forever, that I haven't fixed the Truck yet and that
I'm
an idiot!

So finally recovering and mounting up, the group leaves the school
parking lot and heads out. In about a mile we have to cross a Major
four-lane highway so we can get to rural country of no cars and
combines. Well the Highway is 'built" up about 5 feet, so there's this
little 30 degree incline to get up and on the highway and we all get
the Stoplight bright red.  SO now I'm a mile into the ride, stopped on
an incline, in a pack of know-it-all upright wedgee riders waiting for
the light to change.  I'll never get this High Bottom Bracket bike
going uphill!

I do the only safe thing.  I get off the Aero. And when the light
turns green, I  walk/trot across the 4-lane highway and into Rural
riding heaven.  Fifteen Uprights stand on their pedals and try and
leave this Loser on a recumbent in the dust.

Oh, but the Aero, not likes to be left in the dust.

It and the new improving legs of its owner, quickly catch the Diamond
Frame pack without collapsing a lung.  I settle onto the back,
recovering and resting as the pack settles into a pace at about
20-mph.    As I sit in the back, no one throws a water bottle or any
negative words my way, but you can read the pack's body language
and
it says, "At the first opportunity we are DROPPING this recumbent
geek!"

And at about the 10-mile mark, opportunity begins to Knock!

Little did I know that we would be riding a 20-mile section of
beautiful little rollers today.  BUT, to get to the first Downhill,
you got to ride up the first uphill.  And the Diamond framed fanatics
drop the Hammer at the site of the first recumbent eating incline.  Of
course, they crest the hill first, and I'm sure I saw several
riders
look backwards, over their shoulders and sneer. As I sat spinning
madly away on my M5 seat and mentally said to myself over and over:
"Spin. Spin, Spin, Spin them legs."

But on the first hill they didn't drop me by much and when I
crested I
saw laid out before me the "Valley of the Aero" as I named it
later.
There were green hills and cactus scrub and downhills that would bring
tears of joy to any recumbent geeks eyes.  So as the pack settles into
their false belief that they've seen the last of that Recumbent
Goob,
I put the chain up on the front 55 tooth crank and begin the
systematic destruction of the Diamond Frames!

Oh the pleasure to come. <g>

The thing about riding rollers on a recumbent with a pack of Upright
bikes is you can't ride with them.  You must use all the recumbent
Downhill advantage you have over the cursed Diamond Frames.
Don't sit
in the pack and feather your brakes and rest.  Use your aerodynamic
advantage and get out of the pack and muster all the speed you can.
You must carry this extra speed into the base of the next hill and
hold the highest gear you can on the uphill.  Stay on the Big chain
ring and big gear as long as you can. Turning over that big gear just
3 or four more times will blast you another 50 feet up the hill.  AND
this just destroys the bikes that are chasing you.

One must always remember, that the "Diamond Frame" brain has
been
conditioned repeatedly that they will catch the over weight fat
recumbent guy on the next hill. Why, they have passed countless
Bike-E's going up hill and their DF brain tells them that you will
soon be burnt toast on the end of a shape DF stick.   See, they
don't
"see" you as a person, or a bike rider, but just general
rabble on the
DF road of life.

So as you charge the next hill, stay in that big gear just 1 or 2 or 3
more turns of the 55 tooth crank.  Push that Gear!  Fly up that hill!
Look in that geekey mirror on your sunglasses and see the Diamond
Frames charge upward in mass confusion as you attempt to hold the
hill.  Some DF'ers will panic and scream out to their kind, that
the
recumbent must be reeled in at all cost!  That their manhood is on the
line!  That Diamond Frames must continue to rule the world!

But their hope will fade as you crest the hill, smile at another
beautiful recumbent downhill, upshift once again, and begin blasting
down the next hill.

Rollers are your friends.

And 20 miles of Rollers is Paradise.

And sometime during this 20 miles of Diamond Frame carnage that is
occurring behind me, I begin to sing this old song from my Hippie
days.

A song by P. F. Sloan.

"The Eve of Destruction"

"But you tell me over, and over, and over, and over again my
friend
You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction
No, no, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction"

Road Bike Destruction that is!


    Don
Hammer Down.

Ralph,

> Apparently, the seat foam gets forced forward, exposing the pan.
> Has anyone else encountered this problem and come up with a
solution?

A light shot of 3M spray contact cement on the pan and pad, left to
dry, before installing pad.

Warren