Dang it Bob, why do you have to make so much sense? Just when we was about to
have fun!
Bwana Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: bob davy
To: ArkansasShooters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [ArkansasShooters] Re: local law enforcement being taken over by
homeland security


I see a lot of danger is these posts- the same kind of problems that I saw
from the other side of the fence in my 25 year law enforcement career.
Jurisdictions overlap, and in good setups, Deputies, Troopers and Police
Officers cooperate in enforceing the law. What one thinks he is seeing, may not
be what is actually happening. As a Police Sgt, I was in charge and made the
decisions in many cases, including the cooperation of Troopers and Deputies.. If
they didn't like it, they could leave my jurisdiction and keep their mouths shut
( complaining would just get them in trouble if I made counter complaints---it
was MY area) The obverse was true when I was in their baliwick.

Technology should not be denied to our Cops-- How they use it should be our
focus, not the equipment and its capability. We see this over seas-our soldiers
get vests and mine detectors when they need them, why is it different here at
home- there are enemies here too!

"The police are the people and the people are the police" This is a quote from
Sir Robert Peele- the founder of modern day policing, the one whom the Bobbies
of England are named after. We have forgotten this- or just become too lazy to
oversee them like we should be doing. The Cops are our employees!!! And I have
witnessed many times the results of the citizens and the cops working together..
But mostly we let the politicians run things and don't conern ourselves. Well,
then we have abuses- our rights get violated and or freedoms start to
evaporate.. They work for us--- we should let them know. A lot of the street
level officers, troopers, deputies would be very glad to have us oversee them
and protect them from the administration and the politicians they have to put up
with. A lot of the Admin people are just politicians in disguise-- ( if you are
one of them and are not politically controlled- you know who you are and I
apologize for lumping you in with
them) What happens in most cases is the public focuses on a Lt, Chief or
Sheriff and thinks that they have an "in" with the department.

So- let them know- get to know the street level cops whose jurisdiction you
live and work in. Let them know when they goof up---- and more importantly- let
them know when they do a good job. Don't just tell their bosses, Lts, Sheriffs,
Chiefs------ write the newspaper and praise them publicly. I have had a few
commendations from the public that I later found out went no further than the
Chief's desk and then to the trash can.

It will be a lot harder for a state agency, or federal, to come in to an area
and run roughshod over our rights if we have just a few dedicated public
servants in place to block the potential abuses. But we won't have them there if
they do not know and feel that they have our backing.

Our system of government is desgined to be a large circle, with every person
responsible to someone next to them in the circle---- not a ladder, but a circle
with the very "top" connected to the bottom through US- the people. If you don't
like what the cops are doing, tell them- if you don't like what the courts are
doing- tell them--- we, the people are what is supposed to make our government
different from all others---- but we are staying home from the voting places,
afraid to speak out against a popular but crooked politician, too busy to write
a simple letter to the editor about a rookie cop who showed compassion for an
accident victim.
Before we condem the other parts of our system-let us examine ourselves...
Isn't there something written about splinters in someone else's eye and planks
in our own?
Bob D






John <holyscamolli@...> wrote:
I don't think it's too much of a joke. I've been witness to this
"multi-jurisdictional" task force of sorts. I-540 from south
Fayetteville, to almost Winslow. Springdale city PD cruisers pulling
over vehicles on the highway. Folks---the city limits of Springdale
is some 30 miles away! Fayetteville Pd have also taken part. That
city limits is approximately 8-10 miles away. And Washington county
sheriff officers are taking part as well which they have a right to,
usually supervised by one visible State Trooper in the region. I used
to see a trooper every now and then on the highway---now--it's almost
every day. I've seen several of them doing traffic stops in the city
limits of Fort Smith, and likewise, city cops doing highway patrols.
Something is different, and I've even called two State Police
headquarters inquiring. They don't have any idea what I'm talking
about. Practice or harassment? At times when the economy is
suffering, gas prices keep going higher----and all of the sudden law
enforcement decides it's time to suppress the masses? Folks---it's
the same way you teach a dog---conditional training. Getting us used
to control. Think about it some more. Some of it may be B.S., but
you need to see the big picture. The mandatory national ID has been
put off until December of 2009. I don't think they'll be delaying it
any longer than that. Will you be ready for what goes down?

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