--- In ArkansasShooters@yahoogroups.com, bob davy <davhue68@...> wrote:
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> I see a lot of danger is these posts- the same kind of problems that
I saw from the other side of the fence in my 25 year law enforcement
career.
> Jurisdictions overlap, and in good setups, Deputies, Troopers and
Police Officers cooperate in enforceing the law. What one thinks he
is seeing, may not be what is actually happening. As a Police Sgt, I
was in charge and made the decisions in many cases, including the
cooperation of Troopers and Deputies.. If they didn't like it, they
could leave my jurisdiction and keep their mouths shut ( complaining
would just get them in trouble if I made counter complaints---it was
MY area) The obverse was true when I was in their baliwick.
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> Technology should not be denied to our Cops-- How they use it
should be our focus, not the equipment and its capability. We see
this over seas-our soldiers get vests and mine detectors when they
need them, why is it different here at home- there are enemies here too!
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> "The police are the people and the people are the police" This is
a quote from Sir Robert Peele- the founder of modern day policing, the
one whom the Bobbies of England are named after. We have forgotten
this- or just become too lazy to oversee them like we should be doing.
The Cops are our employees!!! And I have witnessed many times the
results of the citizens and the cops working together.. But mostly
we let the politicians run things and don't conern ourselves. Well,
then we have abuses- our rights get violated and or freedoms start to
evaporate.. They work for us--- we should let them know. A lot of
the street level officers, troopers, deputies would be very glad to
have us oversee them and protect them from the administration and the
politicians they have to put up with. A lot of the Admin people are
just politicians in disguise-- ( if you are one of them and are not
politically controlled- you know who you are and I apologize for
lumping you in with
> them) What happens in most cases is the public focuses on a Lt,
Chief or Sheriff and thinks that they have an "in" with the department.
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> So- let them know- get to know the street level cops whose
jurisdiction you live and work in. Let them know when they goof up----
and more importantly- let them know when they do a good job. Don't
just tell their bosses, Lts, Sheriffs, Chiefs------ write the
newspaper and praise them publicly. I have had a few commendations
from the public that I later found out went no further than the
Chief's desk and then to the trash can.
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> It will be a lot harder for a state agency, or federal, to come in
to an area and run roughshod over our rights if we have just a few
dedicated public servants in place to block the potential abuses. But
we won't have them there if they do not know and feel that they have
our backing.
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> Our system of government is desgined to be a large circle, with
every person responsible to someone next to them in the circle---- not
a ladder, but a circle with the very "top" connected to the bottom
through US- the people. If you don't like what the cops are doing,
tell them- if you don't like what the courts are doing- tell them---
we, the people are what is supposed to make our government different
from all others---- but we are staying home from the voting places,
afraid to speak out against a popular but crooked politician, too busy
to write a simple letter to the editor about a rookie cop who showed
compassion for an accident victim.
> Before we condem the other parts of our system-let us examine
ourselves... Isn't there something written about splinters in someone
else's eye and planks in our own?
> Bob D
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HOORAY! for Bob. Some common sense to this thread. I agree with 100
percent. I've known a lot of police officers. 95% of them are good
honest hardworking folks doing what is really a thankless job.

Mike
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> John <holyscamolli@...> wrote:
> I don't think it's too much of a joke. I've been witness
to this
> "multi-jurisdictional" task force of sorts. I-540 from south
> Fayetteville, to almost Winslow. Springdale city PD cruisers pulling
> over vehicles on the highway. Folks---the city limits of Springdale
> is some 30 miles away! Fayetteville Pd have also taken part. That
> city limits is approximately 8-10 miles away. And Washington county
> sheriff officers are taking part as well which they have a right to,
> usually supervised by one visible State Trooper in the region. I used
> to see a trooper every now and then on the highway---now--it's almost
> every day. I've seen several of them doing traffic stops in the city
> limits of Fort Smith, and likewise, city cops doing highway patrols.
> Something is different, and I've even called two State Police
> headquarters inquiring. They don't have any idea what I'm talking
> about. Practice or harassment? At times when the economy is
> suffering, gas prices keep going higher----and all of the sudden law
> enforcement decides it's time to suppress the masses? Folks---it's
> the same way you teach a dog---conditional training. Getting us used
> to control. Think about it some more. Some of it may be B.S., but
> you need to see the big picture. The mandatory national ID has been
> put off until December of 2009. I don't think they'll be delaying it
> any longer than that. Will you be ready for what goes down?
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