I remember reading about that accident on another board. That was so sad to read and heartbreaking when you realize that it could happen to anybody. I hope this colt turns out to be everything you hoped for!
I am still waiting on that pony mare I got this winter. For a while we thought that maybe she was not in foal, but shockingly she is, just absolutely no idea of when! The lady told me anywhere from March to Sept. This whole idea of having a foal with no idea of a due date is for the birds I think. How can you get any sleep or plan anything when you could have a mare popping it out anytime? UGH! I just hope the foal looks more like the mommy and I will be happy!
From: Diana Macdonald <dimac99@hotmail.com> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] New Foal To: arabianponyregistryofamerica@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 4:16 PM
Hello All
We only had one foal this year - a chestnut colt with nice amount of chrome. Half-Welsh (Rocko's Gold) out of our 1996 US National Champion Jumper, Half-Arabian/ NSH mare, Shades of Spring+.
"Gold Braid" (pending) is a big strapping boy with tons of strength. He will be presented at the NASPR inspection Labour Day weekend.
Unfortunately last summer we lost MG Inkhredible Fire (2005 National T10 CTR) in a freak pasture accident breaking her neck and the neck of my purebred gelding Estabahn. Inkhi was about 14 days pregnant to *Rosedale Top Cat (BRP/ASPR), we hadn't yet done the ultrasound as we were coordinating it with Spring's pregnancy check.
Diana Macdonald Kintyre Arabians+ Arthur ON Email: dimac99@hotmail. com Check out our horse photos at http://community. webshots. com/user/ dalriadadm
--- On Mon, 6/9/08, Diana Macdonald <dimac99@...> wrote:
From: Diana Macdonald <dimac99@...> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] New Foal To: arabianponyregistryofamerica@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 4:16 PM
Hello All
We only had one foal this year - a chestnut colt with nice amount of chrome. Half-Welsh (Rocko's Gold) out of our 1996 US National Champion Jumper, Half-Arabian/ NSH mare, Shades of Spring+.
"Gold Braid" (pending) is a big strapping boy with tons of strength. He will be presented at the NASPR inspection Labour Day weekend.
Unfortunately last summer we lost MG Inkhredible Fire (2005 National T10 CTR) in a freak pasture accident breaking her neck and the neck of my purebred gelding Estabahn. Inkhi was about 14 days pregnant to *Rosedale Top Cat (BRP/ASPR), we hadn't yet done the ultrasound as we were coordinating it with Spring's pregnancy check.
Diana Macdonald Kintyre Arabians+ Arthur ON Email: dimac99@hotmail. com Check out our horse photos at http://community. webshots. com/user/ dalriadadm
You are so right, absolutely no respect whatsoever and these folks advertised him as a possible 4H project. There is no way this was a colt safe for kids! I found him dangerous when he I got him home and I spent most of my working life handling race horses for a living! Anyway, they had a small barn and pen in their backyard in town and only had him, an elderly horse and his dam who had been sold. So he was in by himself. Now that he is out with a bunch of older horses he is no longer scary to be around. He is learning the respect his human companions failed too. In thier defense, they were extrmely inexperienced with horses. They were nice folks, just didnt have a clue and raised a three year old brat!
--- On Mon, 6/9/08, M Covault <birdcompanions@...> wrote:
From: M Covault <birdcompanions@...> Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] orphan foals To: ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 10:32 AM
I don't know the answer to that. Has your colt been running with other colts or kept isolated during his life (so he doesn't know proper "horse* behavior and mannering)? From what you are saying, it sounds like he also has not been taught ground manners (and doesn't respect human 'space'), right?
From: M Covault <birdcompanions@ onlineok. com> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] orphan foals To: ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 10:28 AM
The orphan Arab colt I fed out this spring was a brat too, no matter what I did, as he wanted to play (rough). He had a small goat companion, and that helped early on, but that just wasn't enough for his needs as he grew. BTW, we *bucket-fed* the milk, not bottle-fed-- no butting on the feeder. That was sure easier on us, and he took to it great. We had no other youngsters for him to buddy with and human bodies are just not appropriate. BUT, as soon as Karen turned him out with a group of older mares, he became very mannerly (and now hangs out with the old sway-backed rescue mares). Being on a large pasture with good grass (and less feed) has made a difference too. He accepted being a *horse* much more quickly and easily than we'd thought he would. The only other orphan colt with which I was familiar was years ago, and the people were novices and he remained a brat far too long, as they *protected* him
from other horses and so had to fend him off from themselves!
Marcy Covault Feathered Companions Aviary Comanche County, OK www.birdcompanions. com "If there are no breeders, our grandchildren will have no pets." "Animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy."
Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
I bought a colt this spring that had been bottled raised because his mother refused to nurse due to an overly tight bag and the owners were inexperienced in how to handle the situation. He is beautiful but was such a spoiled brat he was dangerous to be around, the only way to teach him manners was to turn him out with a small group of much older horses. So far it is working. He is a pure bred Arabian, turns three in July and stands 13.3. Sounds like you are doing everything right in getting this baby off to a good start. I look forward to seeing his pics!
--- On Sun, 6/8/08, M Covault <birdcompanions@ onlineok. com> wrote:
From: M Covault <birdcompanions@ onlineok. com> Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? To: ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 9:16 AM
Congratulations, Cathy.
Thanks for what you've thoughtfully done. I hope mother and colt do well.
In regards to someone's comment about Arabian mares not being the best mothers, over 30+ years, and a *few* foals, all of our Arabian and Arabian-X mares were excellent mothers. In fact, *other* breeds were sometimes a problem, but not our Arabians. I think a big part of that has to do with their being comfortable in their surroundings (feed, etc., not being a factor).
Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
In the wee hours this morning, Macarena foaled a lovely colt, I think he is bay but I'll reserve judgment till later since she has produced brown too. I kind of think "he" is bay though. He's got less of the sootiness compared to Macarena's other foal when she was a new born. We'll see.
And yes, sorry, no photo's yet. They are getting some quiet time ;) Macarena refused her first foal, she was bottle raised. I knew this going into it and other Arabian owners cautioned me that Arabians could be very poor mothers and she could easily also refuse this foal. I chose to refuse to be negative and yet not ignore it like it would just be all better so I began a campaign with Mikey to re-train her so to speak. She was a loner according to her previous owner. She never tolerated the other horses well and just stayed away. When she arrived, I kept her penned a while so she and the others could meet safely and when I
did turn her out to pasture with the other mares, I fully expected they would chase her at least a little.....but nothing. It was sort of weird and she did the same here, keeping to herself. She spent the winter that way but was thriving out there when before she had been boarded and stabled. She was left to relax and grow her foal.
Her third period of pregnancy, we embarked on conditioning her to love and be loved. She was very aloof to begin with. She had the very best manners but obviously did not enjoy or seek out company or a loving touch. It took a full month for her to begin "looking for me" and in the meantime I was very bad. She was penned with the most obnoxiously cuddly, needy foals the weanling llama's and 2 other pregnant mares. She made it obvious she was not interested but Sister was in her face all the time and Sheena seemed to take to her and was (as my son put it) up her butt all the time.
I couldn't be there all day everyday but these guys could and they did their job well. She was forced to eat with Sis in her face, the guineas in her feeder and all sorts of undignified treatment. She relented.
The next step was for Mikey to be part of the foaling process and see how it's done so she got to see Summer foal and care for her baby. They were dry lotted with hay and fed but also got daily turnout in the yard and, in general, they were pampered beyond reason :) Mikey learned the routine quickly and as her time neared, she was given special time in the stall to eat quietly without being disturbed as I began desensitizing her to the touchy feely stuff a foal does. I also started her on a very low dose Domperidone that I titrated to match what I felt was a normal udder for the timing of her due date. Her udder was that of a dry maiden mare less than 3 weeks before foaling so I monitored her and
dosed her as I have my mare Crystal (who has to have it to get her milk in). From what I read about this drug in a study at the University of Kentucky a few years ago, it's more than simply a drug to quickly bring the milk in to a dry mare. There are other benefits that I won't go into here but I feel it was essential for this mare. I had banamine available but prefer not to use it unless absolutely necessary, instead, I began giving her red rasberry leaves about 2 weeks before foaling, starting with a very small amount and working up to a handful. I prayed and left it to God's hands.
This morning, I had slept and woke up again after Mikey had foaled. He was dry and lying down in the barnlot. The others were interested, crowding too much and it seemed to put Mikey off a bit so I turned the others out and brought the colt to the stall and fed Mikey as I looked the colt over. He had not nursed yet, she still
had big wax balls, so I talked softly and rubbed her a bit then rubbed the wax off and gently milked a few drops. I have always talked to her constantly when I was spending time with her and I think it relaxed her because she dropped her head and the colt came near and I held my breath as he found the spot. He came up for air finally with milk streaming down his chin but he looked like he knew he had done something big. I fed her again and of course she bumped him so I pulled him back while she ate and then held her and talked to her again while he nursed again. I made sure he nursed from both sides. She is paying attention to him and when I went out again a few minutes ago, he had gotten up from a short nap and I had fed her again (she's getting very small frequent meals today) and he nursed with her eating. She may not be the best mother but she is coming around and he's a big strappy healthy colt.
I
promise to have photo's sometime today but for now, we are "bonding". I'm heading out to keep things moving in the right direction but I wanted to share her story with you all.
Cathy
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail. com> wrote: > Veronica, > Thanks for the encouragement. I keep my camera ready and the > batteries charged everyday. > We did have a lovely molly mule foaled May 15th, her name is Miss Mabelline. > > > Cathy > > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Veronica Norris > <colorspotsportponie s@...> wrote: >> Hang in there Cathy. I just love your little guy. Those are some nice >> pictures of him. Unfortunatly I am not having any foals this year
or next >> year. I need to sell 2 ponies before my husband will let me bred my mare >> again. So right now I have her leased out to a 13 year old girl who is >> having a blast riding her. Anyway it should be any day now and you will have >> a bouncing foal. >> >> >> >> Veronica >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail. com> >> To: arabianponyregistry ofamerica >> <ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:10:45 PM >> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? >> >> I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything
is >> ready but Macarena herself :) >> >> She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no >> foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding >> out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a >> 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could >> not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements >> but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry. >> I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together. >> >> His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a >> better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals >> have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just >> 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range,
maybe >> smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand mare will >> mature at 12 hands. >> >> Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is >> amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also >> bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm >> curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for >> the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the >> ponies are like? >> Cathy >> >> -- >> Cathy Hill >> Five Hills Farm >> >> > > > > -- > Cathy Hill > Five Hills Farm > Check out our web sites > http://cathill2. tripod.com/ mulefarm/ > http://missouri- foxtrotter- pony.tripod. com/ > And check out our photo albums here > http://s145. photobucket. com/albums/ r205/smoothmule/ >
I called THEM mad...they called ME mad...and DAMN THEM...they outvoted me.
Some days it's not even worth chewing through the restraints
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] New Foal From: Diana Macdonald hotmail.com> Date: Mon, June 09, 2008 4:16 pm To: yahoogroups.com>
Hello All
We only had one foal this year - a chestnut colt with nice amount of chrome. Half-Welsh (Rocko's Gold) out of our 1996 US National Champion Jumper, Half-Arabian/NSH mare, Shades of Spring+.
"Gold Braid" (pending) is a big strapping boy with tons of strength. He will be presented at the NASPR inspection Labour Day weekend.
Unfortunately last summer we lost MG Inkhredible Fire (2005 National T10 CTR) in a freak pasture accident breaking her neck and the neck of my purebred gelding Estabahn. Inkhi was about 14 days pregnant to *Rosedale Top Cat (BRP/ASPR), we hadn't yet done the ultrasound as we were coordinating it with Spring's pregnancy check.
We only had one foal this year - a chestnut colt with nice amount of chrome. Half-Welsh (Rocko's Gold) out of our 1996 US National Champion Jumper, Half-Arabian/NSH mare, Shades of Spring+.
"Gold Braid" (pending) is a big strapping boy with tons of strength. He will be presented at the NASPR inspection Labour Day weekend.
Unfortunately last summer we lost MG Inkhredible Fire (2005 National T10 CTR) in a freak pasture accident breaking her neck and the neck of my purebred gelding Estabahn. Inkhi was about 14 days pregnant to *Rosedale Top Cat (BRP/ASPR), we hadn't yet done the ultrasound as we were coordinating it with Spring's pregnancy check.
Diana Macdonald Kintyre Arabians+
Arthur ON Email: dimac99@... Check out our horse photos at http://community.webshots.com/user/dalriadadm
I don't know the answer to that. Has your colt been running with other colts or kept isolated during his life (so he doesn't know proper "horse* behavior and mannering)? From what you are saying, it sounds like he also has not been taught ground manners (and doesn't respect human 'space'), right?
From: M Covault <birdcompanions@onlineok.com> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] orphan foals To: ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 10:28 AM
The orphan Arab colt I fed out this spring was a brat too, no matter what I did, as he wanted to play (rough). He had a small goat companion, and that helped early on, but that just wasn't enough for his needs as he grew. BTW, we *bucket-fed* the milk, not bottle-fed-- no butting on the feeder. That was sure easier on us, and he took to it great. We had no other youngsters for him to buddy with and human bodies are just not appropriate. BUT, as soon as Karen turned him out with a group of older mares, he became very mannerly (and now hangs out with the old sway-backed rescue mares). Being on a large pasture with good grass (and less feed) has made a difference too. He accepted being a *horse* much more quickly and easily than we'd thought he would. The only other orphan colt with which I was familiar was years ago, and the people were novices and he remained a brat far too long, as they *protected* him from other horses and so had to fend him off from themselves!
Marcy Covault Feathered Companions Aviary Comanche County, OK www.birdcompanions. com "If there are no breeders, our grandchildren will have no pets." "Animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy."
Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
I bought a colt this spring that had been bottled raised because his mother refused to nurse due to an overly tight bag and the owners were inexperienced in how to handle the situation. He is beautiful but was such a spoiled brat he was dangerous to be around, the only way to teach him manners was to turn him out with a small group of much older horses. So far it is working. He is a pure bred Arabian, turns three in July and stands 13.3. Sounds like you are doing everything right in getting this baby off to a good start. I look forward to seeing his pics!
--- On Sun, 6/8/08, M Covault <birdcompanions@ onlineok. com> wrote:
From: M Covault <birdcompanions@ onlineok. com> Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? To: ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 9:16 AM
Congratulations, Cathy.
Thanks for what you've thoughtfully done. I hope mother and colt do well.
In regards to someone's comment about Arabian mares not being the best mothers, over 30+ years, and a *few* foals, all of our Arabian and Arabian-X mares were excellent mothers. In fact, *other* breeds were sometimes a problem, but not our Arabians. I think a big part of that has to do with their being comfortable in their surroundings (feed, etc., not being a factor).
Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
In the wee hours this morning, Macarena foaled a lovely colt, I think he is bay but I'll reserve judgment till later since she has produced brown too. I kind of think "he" is bay though. He's got less of the sootiness compared to Macarena's other foal when she was a new born. We'll see.
And yes, sorry, no photo's yet. They are getting some quiet time ;) Macarena refused her first foal, she was bottle raised. I knew this going into it and other Arabian owners cautioned me that Arabians could be very poor mothers and she could easily also refuse this foal. I chose to refuse to be negative and yet not ignore it like it would just be all better so I began a campaign with Mikey to re-train her so to speak. She was a loner according to her previous owner. She never tolerated the other horses well and just stayed away. When she arrived, I kept her penned a while so she and the others could meet safely and when I did turn her out to pasture with the other mares, I fully expected they would chase her at least a little.....but nothing. It was sort of weird and she did the same here, keeping to herself. She spent the winter that way but was thriving out there when before she had been boarded and stabled. She was left to relax and grow her foal.
Her third period of pregnancy, we embarked on conditioning her to love and be loved. She was very aloof to begin with. She had the very best manners but obviously did not enjoy or seek out company or a loving touch. It took a full month for her to begin "looking for me" and in the meantime I was very bad. She was penned with the most obnoxiously cuddly, needy foals the weanling llama's and 2 other pregnant mares. She made it obvious she was not interested but Sister was in her face all the time and Sheena seemed to take to her and was (as my son put it) up her butt all the time. I couldn't be there all day everyday but these guys could and they did their job well. She was forced to eat with Sis in her face, the guineas in her feeder and all sorts of undignified treatment. She relented.
The next step was for Mikey to be part of the foaling process and see how it's done so she got to see Summer foal and care for her baby. They were dry lotted with hay and fed but also got daily turnout in the yard and, in general, they were pampered beyond reason :) Mikey learned the routine quickly and as her time neared, she was given special time in the stall to eat quietly without being disturbed as I began desensitizing her to the touchy feely stuff a foal does. I also started her on a very low dose Domperidone that I titrated to match what I felt was a normal udder for the timing of her due date. Her udder was that of a dry maiden mare less than 3 weeks before foaling so I monitored her and dosed her as I have my mare Crystal (who has to have it to get her milk in). From what I read about this drug in a study at the University of Kentucky a few years ago, it's more than simply a drug to quickly bring the milk in to a dry mare. There are other benefits that I won't go into here but I feel it was essential for this mare. I had banamine available but prefer not to use it unless absolutely necessary, instead, I began giving her red rasberry leaves about 2 weeks before foaling, starting with a very small amount and working up to a handful. I prayed and left it to God's hands.
This morning, I had slept and woke up again after Mikey had foaled. He was dry and lying down in the barnlot. The others were interested, crowding too much and it seemed to put Mikey off a bit so I turned the others out and brought the colt to the stall and fed Mikey as I looked the colt over. He had not nursed yet, she still had big wax balls, so I talked softly and rubbed her a bit then rubbed the wax off and gently milked a few drops. I have always talked to her constantly when I was spending time with her and I think it relaxed her because she dropped her head and the colt came near and I held my breath as he found the spot. He came up for air finally with milk streaming down his chin but he looked like he knew he had done something big. I fed her again and of course she bumped him so I pulled him back while she ate and then held her and talked to her again while he nursed again. I made sure he nursed from both sides. She is paying attention to him and when I went out again a few minutes ago, he had gotten up from a short nap and I had fed her again (she's getting very small frequent meals today) and he nursed with her eating. She may not be the best mother but she is coming around and he's a big strappy healthy colt.
I promise to have photo's sometime today but for now, we are "bonding". I'm heading out to keep things moving in the right direction but I wanted to share her story with you all.
Cathy
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail. com> wrote: > Veronica, > Thanks for the encouragement. I keep my camera ready and the > batteries charged everyday. > We did have a lovely molly mule foaled May 15th, her name is Miss Mabelline. > > > Cathy > > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Veronica Norris > <colorspotsportponie s@...> wrote: >> Hang in there Cathy. I just love your little guy. Those are some nice >> pictures of him. Unfortunatly I am not having any foals this year or next >> year. I need to sell 2 ponies before my husband will let me bred my mare >> again. So right now I have her leased out to a 13 year old girl who is >> having a blast riding her. Anyway it should be any day now and you will have >> a bouncing foal. >> >> >> >> Veronica >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail. com> >> To: arabianponyregistry ofamerica >> <ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:10:45 PM >> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? >> >> I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything is >> ready but Macarena herself :) >> >> She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no >> foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding >> out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a >> 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could >> not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements >> but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry. >> I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together. >> >> His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a >> better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals >> have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just >> 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range, maybe >> smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand mare will >> mature at 12 hands. >> >> Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is >> amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also >> bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm >> curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for >> the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the >> ponies are like? >> Cathy >> >> -- >> Cathy Hill >> Five Hills Farm >> >> > > > > -- > Cathy Hill > Five Hills Farm > Check out our web sites > http://cathill2. tripod.com/ mulefarm/ > http://missouri- foxtrotter- pony.tripod. com/ > And check out our photo albums here > http://s145. photobucket. com/albums/ r205/smoothmule/ >
--- On Sun, 6/8/08, M Covault <birdcompanions@...> wrote:
From: M Covault <birdcompanions@...> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] orphan foals To: ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 10:28 AM
The orphan Arab colt I fed out this spring was a brat too, no matter what I did, as he wanted to play (rough). He had a small goat companion, and that helped early on, but that just wasn't enough for his needs as he grew. BTW, we *bucket-fed* the milk, not bottle-fed-- no butting on the feeder. That was sure easier on us, and he took to it great. We had no other youngsters for him to buddy with and human bodies are just not appropriate. BUT, as soon as Karen turned him out with a group of older mares, he became very mannerly (and now hangs out with the old sway-backed rescue mares). Being on a large pasture with good grass (and less feed) has made a difference too. He accepted being a *horse* much more quickly and easily than we'd thought he would. The only other orphan colt with which I was familiar was years ago, and the people were novices and he remained a brat far too long, as they *protected* him
from other horses and so had to fend him off from themselves!
Marcy Covault Feathered Companions Aviary Comanche County, OK www.birdcompanions. com "If there are no breeders, our grandchildren will have no pets." "Animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy."
Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
I bought a colt this spring that had been bottled raised because his mother refused to nurse due to an overly tight bag and the owners were inexperienced in how to handle the situation. He is beautiful but was such a spoiled brat he was dangerous to be around, the only way to teach him manners was to turn him out with a small group of much older horses. So far it is working. He is a pure bred Arabian, turns three in July and stands 13.3. Sounds like you are doing everything right in getting this baby off to a good start. I look forward to seeing his pics!
--- On Sun, 6/8/08, M Covault <birdcompanions@ onlineok. com> wrote:
From: M Covault <birdcompanions@ onlineok. com> Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? To: ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 9:16 AM
Congratulations, Cathy.
Thanks for what you've thoughtfully done. I hope mother and colt do well.
In regards to someone's comment about Arabian mares not being the best mothers, over 30+ years, and a *few* foals, all of our Arabian and Arabian-X mares were excellent mothers. In fact, *other* breeds were sometimes a problem, but not our Arabians. I think a big part of that has to do with their being comfortable in their surroundings (feed, etc., not being a factor).
Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
In the wee hours this morning, Macarena foaled a lovely colt, I think he is bay but I'll reserve judgment till later since she has produced brown too. I kind of think "he" is bay though. He's got less of the sootiness compared to Macarena's other foal when she was a new born. We'll see.
And yes, sorry, no photo's yet. They are getting some quiet time ;) Macarena refused her first foal, she was bottle raised. I knew this going into it and other Arabian owners cautioned me that Arabians could be very poor mothers and she could easily also refuse this foal. I chose to refuse to be negative and yet not ignore it like it would just be all better so I began a campaign with Mikey to re-train her so to speak. She was a loner according to her previous owner. She never tolerated the other horses well and just stayed away. When she arrived, I kept her penned a while so she and the others could meet safely and when I
did turn her out to pasture with the other mares, I fully expected they would chase her at least a little.....but nothing. It was sort of weird and she did the same here, keeping to herself. She spent the winter that way but was thriving out there when before she had been boarded and stabled. She was left to relax and grow her foal.
Her third period of pregnancy, we embarked on conditioning her to love and be loved. She was very aloof to begin with. She had the very best manners but obviously did not enjoy or seek out company or a loving touch. It took a full month for her to begin "looking for me" and in the meantime I was very bad. She was penned with the most obnoxiously cuddly, needy foals the weanling llama's and 2 other pregnant mares. She made it obvious she was not interested but Sister was in her face all the time and Sheena seemed to take to her and was (as my son put it) up her butt all the time.
I couldn't be there all day everyday but these guys could and they did their job well. She was forced to eat with Sis in her face, the guineas in her feeder and all sorts of undignified treatment. She relented.
The next step was for Mikey to be part of the foaling process and see how it's done so she got to see Summer foal and care for her baby. They were dry lotted with hay and fed but also got daily turnout in the yard and, in general, they were pampered beyond reason :) Mikey learned the routine quickly and as her time neared, she was given special time in the stall to eat quietly without being disturbed as I began desensitizing her to the touchy feely stuff a foal does. I also started her on a very low dose Domperidone that I titrated to match what I felt was a normal udder for the timing of her due date. Her udder was that of a dry maiden mare less than 3 weeks before foaling so I monitored her and
dosed her as I have my mare Crystal (who has to have it to get her milk in). From what I read about this drug in a study at the University of Kentucky a few years ago, it's more than simply a drug to quickly bring the milk in to a dry mare. There are other benefits that I won't go into here but I feel it was essential for this mare. I had banamine available but prefer not to use it unless absolutely necessary, instead, I began giving her red rasberry leaves about 2 weeks before foaling, starting with a very small amount and working up to a handful. I prayed and left it to God's hands.
This morning, I had slept and woke up again after Mikey had foaled. He was dry and lying down in the barnlot. The others were interested, crowding too much and it seemed to put Mikey off a bit so I turned the others out and brought the colt to the stall and fed Mikey as I looked the colt over. He had not nursed yet, she still
had big wax balls, so I talked softly and rubbed her a bit then rubbed the wax off and gently milked a few drops. I have always talked to her constantly when I was spending time with her and I think it relaxed her because she dropped her head and the colt came near and I held my breath as he found the spot. He came up for air finally with milk streaming down his chin but he looked like he knew he had done something big. I fed her again and of course she bumped him so I pulled him back while she ate and then held her and talked to her again while he nursed again. I made sure he nursed from both sides. She is paying attention to him and when I went out again a few minutes ago, he had gotten up from a short nap and I had fed her again (she's getting very small frequent meals today) and he nursed with her eating. She may not be the best mother but she is coming around and he's a big strappy healthy colt.
I
promise to have photo's sometime today but for now, we are "bonding". I'm heading out to keep things moving in the right direction but I wanted to share her story with you all.
Cathy
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail. com> wrote: > Veronica, > Thanks for the encouragement. I keep my camera ready and the > batteries charged everyday. > We did have a lovely molly mule foaled May 15th, her name is Miss Mabelline. > > > Cathy > > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Veronica Norris > <colorspotsportponie s@...> wrote: >> Hang in there Cathy. I just love your little guy. Those are some nice >> pictures of him. Unfortunatly I am not having any foals this year
or next >> year. I need to sell 2 ponies before my husband will let me bred my mare >> again. So right now I have her leased out to a 13 year old girl who is >> having a blast riding her. Anyway it should be any day now and you will have >> a bouncing foal. >> >> >> >> Veronica >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail. com> >> To: arabianponyregistry ofamerica >> <ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:10:45 PM >> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? >> >> I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything
is >> ready but Macarena herself :) >> >> She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no >> foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding >> out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a >> 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could >> not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements >> but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry. >> I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together. >> >> His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a >> better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals >> have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just >> 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range,
maybe >> smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand mare will >> mature at 12 hands. >> >> Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is >> amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also >> bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm >> curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for >> the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the >> ponies are like? >> Cathy >> >> -- >> Cathy Hill >> Five Hills Farm >> >> > > > > -- > Cathy Hill > Five Hills Farm > Check out our web sites > http://cathill2. tripod.com/ mulefarm/ > http://missouri- foxtrotter- pony.tripod. com/ > And check out our photo albums here > http://s145. photobucket. com/albums/ r205/smoothmule/ >
I haven't raised an orphan, but did put one filly on another mare because her mom wasn't nursing her well enough. She wasn't a brat, but would nurse on *anyone* (would try to anyway) until after she was grown.
The thing I have is a donkey gelding that I put my foals in with and I think he'd be good to raise an orphan. He's quite the curmudgeon and keeps all the weaned babies in line.
The orphan Arab colt I fed out this spring was a brat too, no matter what I did, as he wanted to play (rough). He had a small goat companion, and that helped early on, but that just wasn't enough for his needs as he grew. BTW, we *bucket-fed* the milk, not bottle-fed--no butting on the feeder. That was sure easier on us, and he took to it great. We had no other youngsters for him to buddy with and human bodies are just not appropriate. BUT, as soon as Karen turned him out with a group of older mares, he became very mannerly (and now hangs out with the old sway-backed rescue mares). Being on a large pasture with good grass (and less feed) has made a difference too. He accepted being a *horse* much more quickly and easily than we'd thought he would. The only other orphan colt with which I was familiar was years ago, and the people were novices and he remained a brat far too long, as they *protected* him from other horses and so had to fend him off from themselves!
The orphan Arab colt I fed out this spring was a brat too, no matter what I did, as he wanted to play (rough). He had a small goat companion, and that helped early on, but that just wasn't enough for his needs as he grew. BTW, we *bucket-fed* the milk, not bottle-fed--no butting on the feeder. That was sure easier on us, and he took to it great. We had no other youngsters for him to buddy with and human bodies are just not appropriate. BUT, as soon as Karen turned him out with a group of older mares, he became very mannerly (and now hangs out with the old sway-backed rescue mares). Being on a large pasture with good grass (and less feed) has made a difference too. He accepted being a *horse* much more quickly and easily than we'd thought he would. The only other orphan colt with which I was familiar was years ago, and the people were novices and he remained a brat far too long, as they *protected* him from other horses and so had to fend him off from themselves!
Marcy Covault Feathered Companions Aviary Comanche County, OK www.birdcompanions.com "If there are no breeders, our grandchildren will have no pets." "Animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy."
Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
I bought a colt this spring that had been bottled raised because his mother refused to nurse due to an overly tight bag and the owners were inexperienced in how to handle the situation. He is beautiful but was such a spoiled brat he was dangerous to be around, the only way to teach him manners was to turn him out with a small group of much older horses. So far it is working. He is a pure bred Arabian, turns three in July and stands 13.3. Sounds like you are doing everything right in getting this baby off to a good start. I look forward to seeing his pics!
--- On Sun, 6/8/08, M Covault <birdcompanions@onlineok.com> wrote:
From: M Covault <birdcompanions@onlineok.com> Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? To: ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 9:16 AM
Congratulations, Cathy.
Thanks for what you've thoughtfully done. I hope mother and colt do well.
In regards to someone's comment about Arabian mares not being the best mothers, over 30+ years, and a *few* foals, all of our Arabian and Arabian-X mares were excellent mothers. In fact, *other* breeds were sometimes a problem, but not our Arabians. I think a big part of that has to do with their being comfortable in their surroundings (feed, etc., not being a factor).
Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
In the wee hours this morning, Macarena foaled a lovely colt, I think he is bay but I'll reserve judgment till later since she has produced brown too. I kind of think "he" is bay though. He's got less of the sootiness compared to Macarena's other foal when she was a new born. We'll see.
And yes, sorry, no photo's yet. They are getting some quiet time ;) Macarena refused her first foal, she was bottle raised. I knew this going into it and other Arabian owners cautioned me that Arabians could be very poor mothers and she could easily also refuse this foal. I chose to refuse to be negative and yet not ignore it like it would just be all better so I began a campaign with Mikey to re-train her so to speak. She was a loner according to her previous owner. She never tolerated the other horses well and just stayed away. When she arrived, I kept her penned a while so she and the others could meet safely and when I did turn her out to pasture with the other mares, I fully expected they would chase her at least a little.....but nothing. It was sort of weird and she did the same here, keeping to herself. She spent the winter that way but was thriving out there when before she had been boarded and stabled. She was left to relax and grow her foal.
Her third period of pregnancy, we embarked on conditioning her to love and be loved. She was very aloof to begin with. She had the very best manners but obviously did not enjoy or seek out company or a loving touch. It took a full month for her to begin "looking for me" and in the meantime I was very bad. She was penned with the most obnoxiously cuddly, needy foals the weanling llama's and 2 other pregnant mares. She made it obvious she was not interested but Sister was in her face all the time and Sheena seemed to take to her and was (as my son put it) up her butt all the time. I couldn't be there all day everyday but these guys could and they did their job well. She was forced to eat with Sis in her face, the guineas in her feeder and all sorts of undignified treatment. She relented.
The next step was for Mikey to be part of the foaling process and see how it's done so she got to see Summer foal and care for her baby. They were dry lotted with hay and fed but also got daily turnout in the yard and, in general, they were pampered beyond reason :) Mikey learned the routine quickly and as her time neared, she was given special time in the stall to eat quietly without being disturbed as I began desensitizing her to the touchy feely stuff a foal does. I also started her on a very low dose Domperidone that I titrated to match what I felt was a normal udder for the timing of her due date. Her udder was that of a dry maiden mare less than 3 weeks before foaling so I monitored her and dosed her as I have my mare Crystal (who has to have it to get her milk in). From what I read about this drug in a study at the University of Kentucky a few years ago, it's more than simply a drug to quickly bring the milk in to a dry mare. There are other benefits that I won't go into here but I feel it was essential for this mare. I had banamine available but prefer not to use it unless absolutely necessary, instead, I began giving her red rasberry leaves about 2 weeks before foaling, starting with a very small amount and working up to a handful. I prayed and left it to God's hands.
This morning, I had slept and woke up again after Mikey had foaled. He was dry and lying down in the barnlot. The others were interested, crowding too much and it seemed to put Mikey off a bit so I turned the others out and brought the colt to the stall and fed Mikey as I looked the colt over. He had not nursed yet, she still had big wax balls, so I talked softly and rubbed her a bit then rubbed the wax off and gently milked a few drops. I have always talked to her constantly when I was spending time with her and I think it relaxed her because she dropped her head and the colt came near and I held my breath as he found the spot. He came up for air finally with milk streaming down his chin but he looked like he knew he had done something big. I fed her again and of course she bumped him so I pulled him back while she ate and then held her and talked to her again while he nursed again. I made sure he nursed from both sides. She is paying attention to him and when I went out again a few minutes ago, he had gotten up from a short nap and I had fed her again (she's getting very small frequent meals today) and he nursed with her eating. She may not be the best mother but she is coming around and he's a big strappy healthy colt.
I promise to have photo's sometime today but for now, we are "bonding". I'm heading out to keep things moving in the right direction but I wanted to share her story with you all.
Cathy
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail. com> wrote: > Veronica, > Thanks for the encouragement. I keep my camera ready and the > batteries charged everyday. > We did have a lovely molly mule foaled May 15th, her name is Miss Mabelline. > > > Cathy > > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Veronica Norris > <colorspotsportponie s@...> wrote: >> Hang in there Cathy. I just love your little guy. Those are some nice >> pictures of him. Unfortunatly I am not having any foals this year or next >> year. I need to sell 2 ponies before my husband will let me bred my mare >> again. So right now I have her leased out to a 13 year old girl who is >> having a blast riding her. Anyway it should be any day now and you will have >> a bouncing foal. >> >> >> >> Veronica >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail. com> >> To: arabianponyregistry ofamerica >> <ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:10:45 PM >> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? >> >> I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything is >> ready but Macarena herself :) >> >> She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no >> foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding >> out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a >> 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could >> not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements >> but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry. >> I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together. >> >> His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a >> better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals >> have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just >> 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range, maybe >> smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand mare will >> mature at 12 hands. >> >> Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is >> amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also >> bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm >> curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for >> the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the >> ponies are like? >> Cathy >> >> -- >> Cathy Hill >> Five Hills Farm >> >> > > > > -- > Cathy Hill > Five Hills Farm > Check out our web sites > http://cathill2. tripod.com/ mulefarm/ > http://missouri- foxtrotter- pony.tripod. com/ > And check out our photo albums here > http://s145. photobucket. com/albums/ r205/smoothmule/ >
I bought a colt this spring that had been bottled raised because his mother refused to nurse due to an overly tight bag and the owners were inexperienced in how to handle the situation. He is beautiful but was such a spoiled brat he was dangerous to be around, the only way to teach him manners was to turn him out with a small group of much older horses. So far it is working. He is a pure bred Arabian, turns three in July and stands 13.3. Sounds like you are doing everything right in getting this baby off to a good start. I look forward to seeing his pics!
--- On Sun, 6/8/08, M Covault <birdcompanions@...> wrote:
From: M Covault <birdcompanions@...> Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? To: ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 9:16 AM
Congratulations, Cathy.
Thanks for what you've thoughtfully done. I hope mother and colt do well.
In regards to someone's comment about Arabian mares not being the best mothers, over 30+ years, and a *few* foals, all of our Arabian and Arabian-X mares were excellent mothers. In fact, *other* breeds were sometimes a problem, but not our Arabians. I think a big part of that has to do with their being comfortable in their surroundings (feed, etc., not being a factor).
Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
In the wee hours this morning, Macarena foaled a lovely colt, I think he is bay but I'll reserve judgment till later since she has produced brown too. I kind of think "he" is bay though. He's got less of the sootiness compared to Macarena's other foal when she was a new born. We'll see.
And yes, sorry, no photo's yet. They are getting some quiet time ;) Macarena refused her first foal, she was bottle raised. I knew this going into it and other Arabian owners cautioned me that Arabians could be very poor mothers and she could easily also refuse this foal. I chose to refuse to be negative and yet not ignore it like it would just be all better so I began a campaign with Mikey to re-train her so to speak. She was a loner according to her previous owner. She never tolerated the other horses well and just stayed away. When she arrived, I kept her penned a while so she and the others could meet safely and when I
did turn her out to pasture with the other mares, I fully expected they would chase her at least a little.....but nothing. It was sort of weird and she did the same here, keeping to herself. She spent the winter that way but was thriving out there when before she had been boarded and stabled. She was left to relax and grow her foal.
Her third period of pregnancy, we embarked on conditioning her to love and be loved. She was very aloof to begin with. She had the very best manners but obviously did not enjoy or seek out company or a loving touch. It took a full month for her to begin "looking for me" and in the meantime I was very bad. She was penned with the most obnoxiously cuddly, needy foals the weanling llama's and 2 other pregnant mares. She made it obvious she was not interested but Sister was in her face all the time and Sheena seemed to take to her and was (as my son put it) up her butt all the time.
I couldn't be there all day everyday but these guys could and they did their job well. She was forced to eat with Sis in her face, the guineas in her feeder and all sorts of undignified treatment. She relented.
The next step was for Mikey to be part of the foaling process and see how it's done so she got to see Summer foal and care for her baby. They were dry lotted with hay and fed but also got daily turnout in the yard and, in general, they were pampered beyond reason :) Mikey learned the routine quickly and as her time neared, she was given special time in the stall to eat quietly without being disturbed as I began desensitizing her to the touchy feely stuff a foal does. I also started her on a very low dose Domperidone that I titrated to match what I felt was a normal udder for the timing of her due date. Her udder was that of a dry maiden mare less than 3 weeks before foaling so I monitored her and
dosed her as I have my mare Crystal (who has to have it to get her milk in). From what I read about this drug in a study at the University of Kentucky a few years ago, it's more than simply a drug to quickly bring the milk in to a dry mare. There are other benefits that I won't go into here but I feel it was essential for this mare. I had banamine available but prefer not to use it unless absolutely necessary, instead, I began giving her red rasberry leaves about 2 weeks before foaling, starting with a very small amount and working up to a handful. I prayed and left it to God's hands.
This morning, I had slept and woke up again after Mikey had foaled. He was dry and lying down in the barnlot. The others were interested, crowding too much and it seemed to put Mikey off a bit so I turned the others out and brought the colt to the stall and fed Mikey as I looked the colt over. He had not nursed yet, she still
had big wax balls, so I talked softly and rubbed her a bit then rubbed the wax off and gently milked a few drops. I have always talked to her constantly when I was spending time with her and I think it relaxed her because she dropped her head and the colt came near and I held my breath as he found the spot. He came up for air finally with milk streaming down his chin but he looked like he knew he had done something big. I fed her again and of course she bumped him so I pulled him back while she ate and then held her and talked to her again while he nursed again. I made sure he nursed from both sides. She is paying attention to him and when I went out again a few minutes ago, he had gotten up from a short nap and I had fed her again (she's getting very small frequent meals today) and he nursed with her eating. She may not be the best mother but she is coming around and he's a big strappy healthy colt.
I
promise to have photo's sometime today but for now, we are "bonding". I'm heading out to keep things moving in the right direction but I wanted to share her story with you all.
Cathy
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail. com> wrote: > Veronica, > Thanks for the encouragement. I keep my camera ready and the > batteries charged everyday. > We did have a lovely molly mule foaled May 15th, her name is Miss Mabelline. > > > Cathy > > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Veronica Norris > <colorspotsportponie s@...> wrote: >> Hang in there Cathy. I just love your little guy. Those are some nice >> pictures of him. Unfortunatly I am not having any foals this year
or next >> year. I need to sell 2 ponies before my husband will let me bred my mare >> again. So right now I have her leased out to a 13 year old girl who is >> having a blast riding her. Anyway it should be any day now and you will have >> a bouncing foal. >> >> >> >> Veronica >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail. com> >> To: arabianponyregistry ofamerica >> <ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:10:45 PM >> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? >> >> I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything
is >> ready but Macarena herself :) >> >> She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no >> foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding >> out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a >> 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could >> not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements >> but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry. >> I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together. >> >> His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a >> better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals >> have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just >> 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range,
maybe >> smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand mare will >> mature at 12 hands. >> >> Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is >> amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also >> bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm >> curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for >> the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the >> ponies are like? >> Cathy >> >> -- >> Cathy Hill >> Five Hills Farm >> >> > > > > -- > Cathy Hill > Five Hills Farm > Check out our web sites > http://cathill2. tripod.com/ mulefarm/ > http://missouri- foxtrotter- pony.tripod. com/ > And check out our photo albums here > http://s145. photobucket. com/albums/ r205/smoothmule/ >
Thanks for what you've thoughtfully done. I hope mother and colt do well.
In regards to someone's comment about Arabian mares not being the best mothers, over 30+ years, and a *few* foals, all of our Arabian and Arabian-X mares were excellent mothers. In fact, *other* breeds were sometimes a problem, but not our Arabians. I think a big part of that has to do with their being comfortable in their surroundings (feed, etc., not being a factor).
Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
In the wee hours this morning, Macarena foaled a lovely colt, I think he is bay but I'll reserve judgment till later since she has produced brown too. I kind of think "he" is bay though. He's got less of the sootiness compared to Macarena's other foal when she was a new born. We'll see.
And yes, sorry, no photo's yet. They are getting some quiet time ;) Macarena refused her first foal, she was bottle raised. I knew this going into it and other Arabian owners cautioned me that Arabians could be very poor mothers and she could easily also refuse this foal. I chose to refuse to be negative and yet not ignore it like it would just be all better so I began a campaign with Mikey to re-train her so to speak. She was a loner according to her previous owner. She never tolerated the other horses well and just stayed away. When she arrived, I kept her penned a while so she and the others could meet safely and when I did turn her out to pasture with the other mares, I fully expected they would chase her at least a little.....but nothing. It was sort of weird and she did the same here, keeping to herself. She spent the winter that way but was thriving out there when before she had been boarded and stabled. She was left to relax and grow her foal.
Her third period of pregnancy, we embarked on conditioning her to love and be loved. She was very aloof to begin with. She had the very best manners but obviously did not enjoy or seek out company or a loving touch. It took a full month for her to begin "looking for me" and in the meantime I was very bad. She was penned with the most obnoxiously cuddly, needy foals the weanling llama's and 2 other pregnant mares. She made it obvious she was not interested but Sister was in her face all the time and Sheena seemed to take to her and was (as my son put it) up her butt all the time. I couldn't be there all day everyday but these guys could and they did their job well. She was forced to eat with Sis in her face, the guineas in her feeder and all sorts of undignified treatment. She relented.
The next step was for Mikey to be part of the foaling process and see how it's done so she got to see Summer foal and care for her baby. They were dry lotted with hay and fed but also got daily turnout in the yard and, in general, they were pampered beyond reason :) Mikey learned the routine quickly and as her time neared, she was given special time in the stall to eat quietly without being disturbed as I began desensitizing her to the touchy feely stuff a foal does. I also started her on a very low dose Domperidone that I titrated to match what I felt was a normal udder for the timing of her due date. Her udder was that of a dry maiden mare less than 3 weeks before foaling so I monitored her and dosed her as I have my mare Crystal (who has to have it to get her milk in). From what I read about this drug in a study at the University of Kentucky a few years ago, it's more than simply a drug to quickly bring the milk in to a dry mare. There are other benefits that I won't go into here but I feel it was essential for this mare. I had banamine available but prefer not to use it unless absolutely necessary, instead, I began giving her red rasberry leaves about 2 weeks before foaling, starting with a very small amount and working up to a handful. I prayed and left it to God's hands.
This morning, I had slept and woke up again after Mikey had foaled. He was dry and lying down in the barnlot. The others were interested, crowding too much and it seemed to put Mikey off a bit so I turned the others out and brought the colt to the stall and fed Mikey as I looked the colt over. He had not nursed yet, she still had big wax balls, so I talked softly and rubbed her a bit then rubbed the wax off and gently milked a few drops. I have always talked to her constantly when I was spending time with her and I think it relaxed her because she dropped her head and the colt came near and I held my breath as he found the spot. He came up for air finally with milk streaming down his chin but he looked like he knew he had done something big. I fed her again and of course she bumped him so I pulled him back while she ate and then held her and talked to her again while he nursed again. I made sure he nursed from both sides. She is paying attention to him and when I went out again a few minutes ago, he had gotten up from a short nap and I had fed her again (she's getting very small frequent meals today) and he nursed with her eating. She may not be the best mother but she is coming around and he's a big strappy healthy colt.
I promise to have photo's sometime today but for now, we are "bonding". I'm heading out to keep things moving in the right direction but I wanted to share her story with you all.
Cathy
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail.com> wrote: > Veronica, > Thanks for the encouragement. I keep my camera ready and the > batteries charged everyday. > We did have a lovely molly mule foaled May 15th, her name is Miss Mabelline. > > > Cathy > > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Veronica Norris > <colorspotsportponies@...> wrote: >> Hang in there Cathy. I just love your little guy. Those are some nice >> pictures of him. Unfortunatly I am not having any foals this year or next >> year. I need to sell 2 ponies before my husband will let me bred my mare >> again. So right now I have her leased out to a 13 year old girl who is >> having a blast riding her. Anyway it should be any day now and you will have >> a bouncing foal. >> >> >> >> Veronica >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail.com> >> To: arabianponyregistryofamerica >> <ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:10:45 PM >> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? >> >> I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything is >> ready but Macarena herself :) >> >> She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no >> foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding >> out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a >> 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could >> not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements >> but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry. >> I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together. >> >> His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a >> better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals >> have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just >> 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range, maybe >> smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand mare will >> mature at 12 hands. >> >> Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is >> amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also >> bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm >> curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for >> the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the >> ponies are like? >> Cathy >> >> -- >> Cathy Hill >> Five Hills Farm >> >> > > > > -- > Cathy Hill > Five Hills Farm > Check out our web sites > http://cathill2.tripod.com/mulefarm/ > http://missouri-foxtrotter-pony.tripod.com/ > And check out our photo albums here > http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r205/smoothmule/ >
In the wee hours this morning, Macarena foaled a lovely colt, I think
he is bay but I'll reserve judgment till later since she has produced
brown too. I kind of think "he" is bay though. He's got less of the
sootiness compared to Macarena's other foal when she was a new born.
We'll see.
And yes, sorry, no photo's yet. They are getting some quiet time ;)
Macarena refused her first foal, she was bottle raised. I knew this
going into it and other Arabian owners cautioned me that Arabians
could be very poor mothers and she could easily also refuse this foal.
I chose to refuse to be negative and yet not ignore it like it would
just be all better so I began a campaign with Mikey to re-train her so
to speak. She was a loner according to her previous owner. She never
tolerated the other horses well and just stayed away. When she
arrived, I kept her penned a while so she and the others could meet
safely and when I did turn her out to pasture with the other mares, I
fully expected they would chase her at least a little.....but nothing.
It was sort of weird and she did the same here, keeping to herself.
She spent the winter that way but was thriving out there when before
she had been boarded and stabled. She was left to relax and grow her
foal.
Her third period of pregnancy, we embarked on conditioning her to love
and be loved. She was very aloof to begin with. She had the very
best manners but obviously did not enjoy or seek out company or a
loving touch. It took a full month for her to begin "looking for me"
and in the meantime I was very bad. She was penned with the most
obnoxiously cuddly, needy foals the weanling llama's and 2 other
pregnant mares. She made it obvious she was not interested but Sister
was in her face all the time and Sheena seemed to take to her and was
(as my son put it) up her butt all the time. I couldn't be there all
day everyday but these guys could and they did their job well. She
was forced to eat with Sis in her face, the guineas in her feeder and
all sorts of undignified treatment. She relented.
The next step was for Mikey to be part of the foaling process and see
how it's done so she got to see Summer foal and care for her baby.
They were dry lotted with hay and fed but also got daily turnout in
the yard and, in general, they were pampered beyond reason :)
Mikey learned the routine quickly and as her time neared, she was
given special time in the stall to eat quietly without being disturbed
as I began desensitizing her to the touchy feely stuff a foal does. I
also started her on a very low dose Domperidone that I titrated to
match what I felt was a normal udder for the timing of her due date.
Her udder was that of a dry maiden mare less than 3 weeks before
foaling so I monitored her and dosed her as I have my mare Crystal
(who has to have it to get her milk in). From what I read about this
drug in a study at the University of Kentucky a few years ago, it's
more than simply a drug to quickly bring the milk in to a dry mare.
There are other benefits that I won't go into here but I feel it was
essential for this mare. I had banamine available but prefer not to
use it unless absolutely necessary, instead, I began giving her red
rasberry leaves about 2 weeks before foaling, starting with a very
small amount and working up to a handful. I prayed and left it to
God's hands.
This morning, I had slept and woke up again after Mikey had foaled.
He was dry and lying down in the barnlot. The others were interested,
crowding too much and it seemed to put Mikey off a bit so I turned the
others out and brought the colt to the stall and fed Mikey as I looked
the colt over. He had not nursed yet, she still had big wax balls, so
I talked softly and rubbed her a bit then rubbed the wax off and
gently milked a few drops. I have always talked to her constantly
when I was spending time with her and I think it relaxed her because
she dropped her head and the colt came near and I held my breath as he
found the spot. He came up for air finally with milk streaming down
his chin but he looked like he knew he had done something big. I fed
her again and of course she bumped him so I pulled him back while she
ate and then held her and talked to her again while he nursed again.
I made sure he nursed from both sides. She is paying attention to him
and when I went out again a few minutes ago, he had gotten up from a
short nap and I had fed her again (she's getting very small frequent
meals today) and he nursed with her eating. She may not be the best
mother but she is coming around and he's a big strappy healthy colt.
I promise to have photo's sometime today but for now, we are
"bonding". I'm heading out to keep things moving in the right
direction but I wanted to share her story with you all.
Cathy
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Cathy Hill <smoothmule@...> wrote:
> Veronica,
> Thanks for the encouragement. I keep my camera ready and the
> batteries charged everyday.
> We did have a lovely molly mule foaled May 15th, her name is Miss Mabelline.
>
>
> Cathy
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Veronica Norris
> <colorspotsportponies@...> wrote:
>> Hang in there Cathy. I just love your little guy. Those are some nice
>> pictures of him. Unfortunatly I am not having any foals this year or next
>> year. I need to sell 2 ponies before my husband will let me bred my mare
>> again. So right now I have her leased out to a 13 year old girl who is
>> having a blast riding her. Anyway it should be any day now and you will have
>> a bouncing foal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Veronica
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@...>
>> To: arabianponyregistryofamerica
>> <ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:10:45 PM
>> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
>>
>> I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything is
>> ready but Macarena herself :)
>>
>> She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no
>> foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding
>> out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a
>> 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could
>> not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements
>> but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry.
>> I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together.
>>
>> His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a
>> better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals
>> have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just
>> 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range, maybe
>> smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand mare will
>> mature at 12 hands.
>>
>> Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is
>> amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also
>> bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm
>> curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for
>> the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the
>> ponies are like?
>> Cathy
>>
>> --
>> Cathy Hill
>> Five Hills Farm
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cathy Hill
> Five Hills Farm
> Check out our web sites
> http://cathill2.tripod.com/mulefarm/
> http://missouri-foxtrotter-pony.tripod.com/
> And check out our photo albums here
> http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r205/smoothmule/
>
--
Cathy Hill
Five Hills Farm
Check out our web sites
http://cathill2.tripod.com/mulefarm/http://missouri-foxtrotter-pony.tripod.com/
And check out our photo albums here
http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r205/smoothmule/
Veronica,
Thanks for the encouragement. I keep my camera ready and the
batteries charged everyday.
We did have a lovely molly mule foaled May 15th, her name is Miss Mabelline.
Cathy
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Veronica Norris
<colorspotsportponies@...> wrote:
> Hang in there Cathy. I just love your little guy. Those are some nice
> pictures of him. Unfortunatly I am not having any foals this year or next
> year. I need to sell 2 ponies before my husband will let me bred my mare
> again. So right now I have her leased out to a 13 year old girl who is
> having a blast riding her. Anyway it should be any day now and you will have
> a bouncing foal.
>
>
>
> Veronica
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@...>
> To: arabianponyregistryofamerica
> <ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:10:45 PM
> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
>
> I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything is
> ready but Macarena herself :)
>
> She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no
> foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding
> out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a
> 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could
> not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements
> but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry.
> I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together.
>
> His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a
> better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals
> have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just
> 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range, maybe
> smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand mare will
> mature at 12 hands.
>
> Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is
> amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also
> bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm
> curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for
> the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the
> ponies are like?
> Cathy
>
> --
> Cathy Hill
> Five Hills Farm
>
>
--
Cathy Hill
Five Hills Farm
Check out our web sites
http://cathill2.tripod.com/mulefarm/http://missouri-foxtrotter-pony.tripod.com/
And check out our photo albums here
http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r205/smoothmule/
Hey Jean that is too funny. We have a pony mare Star that will steal the kids french fries if they are left unguarded. She has also been known to eat their hot dogs.
Veronica
----- Original Message ---- From: Jean Jones <ibdmom@...> To: ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 2:29:54 PM Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Fw: Bonfire at The Jones'
OK, let me set the stage for you all. For those of you who have been to our "property" you understand why we call it the property instead of our "farm." It is very wooded and was logged very messily some years ago so we have been doing tons of cleanup of deadfall, branches, ect., out of the horse pasture. Now mind you, the term "pasture" is used very loosely here as there is more dead fall than grass but we can't get to it unless we use the horses for round one of our cleanup plan. They are excellent for mowing down the vegitation for us!
So the stage is set for our story!
We build a big bonfire in the horse "pasture" and tell the kids they can roast marshmellows AFTER they make the fire really big with lots of sticks and branches and such. Then it has to burn down to coals so we can roast our prized white and fluffy goodies.
So the kids do a great job of cleaning up that area, but mom and dad had to help some too. They build the fire up really good and have a marshmellow roast the first night with no event. The next morning we found it very curious that it looked liked the horses had dug around in the coals? So we set to getting the fire going from the leftover coals and the scene is again of the kids cleaning, dragging, and roasting once again when daddy gets home from work(roast the marshmellows not daddy!). One twist, the horses are crowding us around the fire and checking out what we are roasting...odd horses.
The final night was totally hilarious... they booted us out of the fire and stole the marshmellows! No kidding! Hallie kept trying to play with the boys folding chairs and tipping them over or trying to throw them in the air. Jazz and Star were just about running us over for the marshmellows! And I'll be darn'ed, them horses were soaking up the heat from the fire. Whoever said horses were scared of fire has never seen our crazy Ay-Rabs (Arabs). At one point I leave my post of guarding our precious white treasure to get more sticks for the fire to make it through the night. I turn around in time to see Maria's horse Star grab the bag of marshmellows off one of the chairs and procede to shake out as many of them as she could before I got to her. She decided that wasn't good enough and ran off with the bag tighlty held within her very strong jaws. I couldn't get it from
her. She eventually threw it in the air and sent it flying as she ran off in glea! So now we have an almost empty bag of marshmellows with little bits of dry horse poo and other things I really don't care to find out what they are.
Might as well feed it to them now...and I have to buy more marshmellows for the next pile of brush we need to burn, unfortunantly it is again in the horse "pasture!"
About the picture...If you look at the big bay mare Star, she has a big dob of marshmellow on her nose to prove her guilty of the crime. Hallie is in the back and of course you can't miss the old grey mare Jazz on the right. Crazy Ay-Rabs!
----- Original Message ---- From: Jessica Zamboni <Mals_n_more@...> To: ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 9:38:17 AM Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
What a handsome man! :) My arab pony has been confirmed in foal for an April 09 baby ;) She is bred to a straight egyptian stallion, a son of Thee Minstril. I can't wait! :)
I do have 3 babies this year, I hope you don't mind me sharing photos... b/c they're minis, not arab ponies ;) The mainly white one is Jackpot, will be AMHR once I figure out a registered name for him. The chestnut with star is CheyAuts Perfect Attraction, barn name Sierra, AMHA/AMHR. She is a keeper ;) And the chesntut with the blaze is CheyAuts Cowboy Diamond Solitaire, AMHA/AMHR. My best friend is buying Solitaire if her hubby lets her, if not, she is a keeper, too (I didn't want to sell her but my best friend asked if she could buy her, and I can't think of a better owner, plus she will get to stay here, so after a lot of thought I said yes). Then I"m sending a cute photo of Solitaire and my Friesian Radiance (Rosanne van
de Slingenberg, FPS/FHANA 3 y/o mare). You can see my arab pony's butt in there (palo pinto). Hope you enjoy ;)
> I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to > foal. Everything is > ready but Macarena herself :) > > She's kept me up and fussing over her the past > couple nights but no > foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so > she may be holding > out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my > pony stallion for a > 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized > miniature and could > not be registered with the registry because of the > height requirements > but he is registered with the International > Champagne Horse Registry. > I think he
and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian > Pony together. > > His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You > could not ask for a > better temperament, sound mind and loving > personality and his foals > have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 > hands and he's just > 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 > hand range, maybe > smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my > 13.3 hand mare will > mature at 12 hands. > > Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my > stallion, his color is > amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay > and my mare is also > bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous > agouti. I'm > curious to know what others are breeding to their > Arabian mares for > the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh > Ponies and what the > ponies
are like? > Cathy > > -- > Cathy Hill > Five Hills Farm >
Hang in there Cathy. I just love your little guy. Those are some nice pictures of him. Unfortunatly I am not having any foals this year or next year. I need to sell 2 ponies before my husband will let me bred my mare again. So right now I have her leased out to a 13 year old girl who is having a blast riding her. Anyway it should be any day now and you will have a bouncing foal.
Veronica
----- Original Message ---- From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@...> To: arabianponyregistryofamerica <ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:10:45 PM Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything is ready but Macarena herself :)
She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry. I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together.
His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range, maybe smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand
mare will mature at 12 hands.
Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the ponies are like? Cathy
Hang in there Cathy. I just love your little guy. Those are some nice pictures of him. Unfortunatly I am not having any foals this year or next year. I need to sell 2 ponies before my husband will let me bred my mare again. So right now I have her leased out to a 13 year old girl who is having a blast riding her. Anyway it should be any day now and you will have a bouncing foal.
Veronica
----- Original Message ---- From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@...> To: arabianponyregistryofamerica <ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:10:45 PM Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything is ready but Macarena herself :)
She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry. I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together.
His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range, maybe smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand
mare will mature at 12 hands.
Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the ponies are like? Cathy
Tamara,
What a stunning colt, congratulations :)
Cathy
(still waiting for my mare to foal)
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Tamara Woodcock <tamara@...> wrote:
> One foal this year. A purebred Saudi Arabian grey colt born 5/14,
> registration pending as AELFLEAH AL AZRAQ, that should *not* be pony sized.
> Sire is 13 hands, dam is 14.3+, Foal should be 15 hands and a top
> performance gelding and is for sale right now un-gelded until weaned. Pics
> attached of colt at 1 week old.
>
> One Saudi Arabian mare confirmed in foal for February 2009 Welara foal.
> Anticipate the foal staying pony sized. Sire is 13.2 Section C Welsh Cob.
> Two Saudi mares hopefully in foal for 2009, for purebred foals. Neither
> foal expected to be very small, but you never know. Both sired by my black
> stallion, one foal has 75% chance of being chestnut and 25% chance of black,
> other has 75% chance of being black and 25% chance of chestnut.
>
> -Tamara
>
> ------------------------------
> Tamara Woodcock
> Aelfleah Farm, Scurry, TX
> BLUE STAR Arabians and
> Arabian-influenced Sportponies
> www.aelfleahfarm.com
>
--
Cathy Hill
Five Hills Farm
Check out our web sites
http://cathill2.tripod.com/mulefarm/http://missouri-foxtrotter-pony.tripod.com/
And check out our photo albums here
http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r205/smoothmule/
One foal this year. A purebred Saudi Arabian grey colt born 5/14, registration pending as AELFLEAH AL AZRAQ, that should *not* be pony sized. Sire is 13 hands, dam is 14.3+, Foal should be 15 hands and a top performance gelding and is for sale right now un-gelded until weaned. Pics attached of colt at 1 week old.
One Saudi Arabian mare confirmed in foal for February 2009 Welara foal. Anticipate the foal staying pony sized. Sire is 13.2 Section C Welsh Cob. Two Saudi mares hopefully in foal for 2009, for purebred foals. Neither foal expected to be very small, but you never know. Both sired by my black stallion, one foal has 75% chance of being chestnut and 25% chance of black, other has 75% chance of being black and 25% chance of chestnut.
OK, let me set the stage for you all. For those of you who have been to our "property" you understand why we call it the property instead of our "farm." It is very wooded and was logged very messily some years ago so we have been doing tons of cleanup of deadfall, branches, ect., out of the horse pasture. Now mind you, the term "pasture" is used very loosely here as there is more dead fall than grass but we can't get to it unless we use the horses for round one of our cleanup plan. They are excellent for mowing down the vegitation for us!
So the stage is set for our story!
We build a big bonfire in the horse "pasture" and tell the kids they can roast marshmellows AFTER they make the fire really big with lots of sticks and branches and such. Then it has to burn down to coals so we can roast our prized white and fluffy goodies.
So the kids do a great job of cleaning up that area, but mom and dad had to help some too. They build the fire up really good and have a marshmellow roast the first night with no event. The next morning we found it very curious that it looked liked the horses had dug around in the coals? So we set to getting the fire going from the leftover coals and the scene is again of the kids cleaning, dragging, and roasting once again when daddy gets home from work(roast the marshmellows not daddy!). One twist, the horses are crowding us around the fire and checking out what we are roasting...odd horses.
The final night was totally hilarious...they booted us out of the fire and stole the marshmellows! No kidding! Hallie kept trying to play with the boys folding chairs and tipping them over or trying to throw them in the air. Jazz and Star were just about running us over for the marshmellows! And I'll be darn'ed, them horses were soaking up the heat from the fire. Whoever said horses were scared of fire has never seen our crazy Ay-Rabs (Arabs). At one point I leave my post of guarding our precious white treasure to get more sticks for the fire to make it through the night. I turn around in time to see Maria's horse Star grab the bag of marshmellows off one of the chairs and procede to shake out as many of them as she could before I got to her. She decided that wasn't good enough and ran off with the bag tighlty held within her very strong jaws. I couldn't get it from her. She eventually threw it in the air and sent it flying as she ran off in glea! So now we have an almost empty bag of marshmellows with little bits of dry horse poo and other things I really don't care to find out what they are.
Might as well feed it to them now...and I have to buy more marshmellows for the next pile of brush we need to burn, unfortunantly it is again in the horse "pasture!"
About the picture...If you look at the big bay mare Star, she has a big dob of marshmellow on her nose to prove her guilty of the crime. Hallie is in the back and of course you can't miss the old grey mare Jazz on the right. Crazy Ay-Rabs!
Thank you :) I just love that photo! :)
Jessi
--- Jean Jones <ibdmom@...> wrote:
> OK the last picture has got to be one of the cutest
> pictures I have ever seen! To see a mini foal and
> the fressien checking eachother out is so cute! You
> should send that in to some photo contest! Thank
> you for sharing!
>
> Jean
pics at
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v295/CheyAut/http://www.CheyAutRanch.com
OK the last picture has got to be one of the cutest pictures I have ever seen! To see a mini foal and the fressien checking eachother out is so cute! You should send that in to some photo contest! Thank you for sharing!
Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
What a handsome man! :) My arab pony has been confirmed in foal for an April 09 baby ;) She is bred to a straight egyptian stallion, a son of Thee Minstril. I can't wait! :)
I do have 3 babies this year, I hope you don't mind me sharing photos... b/c they're minis, not arab ponies ;) The mainly white one is Jackpot, will be AMHR once I figure out a registered name for him. The chestnut with star is CheyAuts Perfect Attraction, barn name Sierra, AMHA/AMHR. She is a keeper ;) And the chesntut with the blaze is CheyAuts Cowboy Diamond Solitaire, AMHA/AMHR. My best friend is buying Solitaire if her hubby lets her, if not, she is a keeper, too (I didn't want to sell her but my best friend asked if she could buy her, and I can't think of a better owner, plus she will get to stay here, so after a lot of thought I said yes). Then I"m sending a cute photo of Solitaire and my Friesian Radiance (Rosanne van de Slingenberg, FPS/FHANA 3 y/o mare). You can see my arab pony's butt in there (palo pinto). Hope you enjoy ;)
> I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to > foal. Everything is > ready but Macarena herself :) > > She's kept me up and fussing over her the past > couple nights but no > foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so > she may be holding > out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my > pony stallion for a > 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized > miniature and could > not be registered with the registry because of the > height requirements > but he is registered with the International > Champagne Horse Registry. > I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian > Pony together. > > His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You > could not ask for a > better temperament, sound mind and loving > personality and his foals > have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 > hands and he's just > 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 > hand range, maybe > smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my > 13.3 hand mare will > mature at 12 hands. > > Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my > stallion, his color is > amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay > and my mare is also > bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous > agouti. I'm > curious to know what others are breeding to their > Arabian mares for > the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh > Ponies and what the > ponies are like? > Cathy > > -- > Cathy Hill > Five Hills Farm >
What a handsome man! :) My arab pony has been
confirmed in foal for an April 09 baby ;) She is bred
to a straight egyptian stallion, a son of Thee
Minstril. I can't wait! :)
I do have 3 babies this year, I hope you don't mind me
sharing photos... b/c they're minis, not arab ponies
;) The mainly white one is Jackpot, will be AMHR once
I figure out a registered name for him. The chestnut
with star is CheyAuts Perfect Attraction, barn name
Sierra, AMHA/AMHR. She is a keeper ;) And the chesntut
with the blaze is CheyAuts Cowboy Diamond Solitaire,
AMHA/AMHR. My best friend is buying Solitaire if her
hubby lets her, if not, she is a keeper, too (I didn't
want to sell her but my best friend asked if she could
buy her, and I can't think of a better owner, plus she
will get to stay here, so after a lot of thought I
said yes). Then I"m sending a cute photo of Solitaire
and my Friesian Radiance (Rosanne van de Slingenberg,
FPS/FHANA 3 y/o mare). You can see my arab pony's butt
in there (palo pinto). Hope you enjoy ;)
Jessi
--- Cathy Hill <smoothmule@...> wrote:
> I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to
> foal. Everything is
> ready but Macarena herself :)
>
> She's kept me up and fussing over her the past
> couple nights but no
> foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so
> she may be holding
> out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my
> pony stallion for a
> 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized
> miniature and could
> not be registered with the registry because of the
> height requirements
> but he is registered with the International
> Champagne Horse Registry.
> I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian
> Pony together.
>
> His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You
> could not ask for a
> better temperament, sound mind and loving
> personality and his foals
> have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2
> hands and he's just
> 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13
> hand range, maybe
> smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my
> 13.3 hand mare will
> mature at 12 hands.
>
> Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my
> stallion, his color is
> amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay
> and my mare is also
> bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous
> agouti. I'm
> curious to know what others are breeding to their
> Arabian mares for
> the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh
> Ponies and what the
> ponies are like?
> Cathy
>
> --
> Cathy Hill
> Five Hills Farm
>
pics at
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v295/CheyAut/http://www.CheyAutRanch.com
Your stallion is so cute! His color is really cool! Good luck on the foal watch thing.
I am on foal watch too as that pony mare I bought turned out to be preggers after all but much later than was figured. So here I am with no idea of a due date and way too much to do to sit and watch my mare! She is bagging up slowly...UGH! Anyway, I will post pics when she actually has the thing. I just hope it is cute!
Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything is ready but Macarena herself :)
She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry. I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together.
His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range, maybe smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand mare will mature at 12 hands.
Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the ponies are like? Cathy
I've had a couple of requests for shipped semen from my cremello but opted not to mess with it. I may be losing one of my yearling colts he sired soon. I showed him last weekend for the first time and he placed second in halter. Tonight I came in and had a call on my phone about purchasing him from someone in Nebraska. We have another show on Saturday so I need to take updated pictures then and send those. If he goes I'll just go dig his half brother out of pasture and begin prepping him to show in his place. He should mature 13.2 to 14 hands tall. I had him priced at $1750.00 on my website and that is where the lady found him. If she wants him for that he is gone! Ive got others I can show instead.
--- On Thu, 6/5/08, Cathy Hill <smoothmule@...> wrote:
From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@...> Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? To: ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 10:41 PM
Cynthia, Thank you. My mare is bay but she also can produce brown. Her previous Friesian cross foal is brown genetically, she looks black and has a light muzzle. My stallion is more like a Shetland in height and type I think. We've only had 2 foals by him so far but we've been really happy with them. I think he and Macarena will make a very nice pony. There's a 50% chance for the appy color and 50% chance for the champagne, either or both would be very nice. Studley's first foal was classic champagne appaloosa from an appaloosa pony mare. I sold him this spring as a yearling and he lives in South Carolina.
Last year I had numerous inquiries and requests for shipped semen from Studley so I located someone that can train him to collect, can test him and can ship so, of course, I haven't had any inquiries this year.
Cathy
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Cynthia <possumpony@yahoo. com> wrote: > > He is a cutie. I have a new palomino foal this year that is out of a > shetland mare and sired by a 13.3 hand cremello stud. I may cross the mare > on my 13.3 bay arab next year. Love the champagne color on your stud. What > color is the mare? > Skunk River Stables > specializing in quality show ponies > IQPA Inspector > QPA Points Secretary > > http://skunkriverst ables.tripod. com/ > > > --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail. com> wrote: > > From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@gmail. com> > Subject:
[ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? > To: "arabianponyregistr yofamerica" > <ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com> > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 9:10 PM > > I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything is > ready but Macarena herself :) > > She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no > foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding > out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a > 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could > not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements > but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry. > I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony
together. > > His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a > better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals > have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just > 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range, maybe > smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand mare will > mature at 12 hands. > > Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is > amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also > bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm > curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for > the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the > ponies are like? > Cathy > > -- > Cathy Hill > Five Hills Farm > >
Cynthia,
Thank you. My mare is bay but she also can produce brown. Her
previous Friesian cross foal is brown genetically, she looks black and
has a light muzzle.
My stallion is more like a Shetland in height and type I think. We've
only had 2 foals by him so far but we've been really happy with them.
I think he and Macarena will make a very nice pony. There's a 50%
chance for the appy color and 50% chance for the champagne, either or
both would be very nice. Studley's first foal was classic champagne
appaloosa from an appaloosa pony mare. I sold him this spring as a
yearling and he lives in South Carolina.
Last year I had numerous inquiries and requests for shipped semen from
Studley so I located someone that can train him to collect, can test
him and can ship so, of course, I haven't had any inquiries this year.
Cathy
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Cynthia <possumpony@...> wrote:
>
> He is a cutie. I have a new palomino foal this year that is out of a
> shetland mare and sired by a 13.3 hand cremello stud. I may cross the mare
> on my 13.3 bay arab next year. Love the champagne color on your stud. What
> color is the mare?
> Skunk River Stables
> specializing in quality show ponies
> IQPA Inspector
> QPA Points Secretary
>
> http://skunkriverstables.tripod.com/
>
>
> --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Cathy Hill <smoothmule@...> wrote:
>
> From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@...>
> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group?
> To: "arabianponyregistryofamerica"
> <ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 9:10 PM
>
> I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything is
> ready but Macarena herself :)
>
> She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no
> foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding
> out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a
> 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could
> not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements
> but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry.
> I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together.
>
> His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a
> better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals
> have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just
> 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range, maybe
> smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand mare will
> mature at 12 hands.
>
> Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is
> amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also
> bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm
> curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for
> the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the
> ponies are like?
> Cathy
>
> --
> Cathy Hill
> Five Hills Farm
>
>
--
Cathy Hill
Five Hills Farm
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He is a cutie. I have a new palomino foal this year that is out of a shetland mare and sired by a 13.3 hand cremello stud. I may cross the mare on my 13.3 bay arab next year. Love the champagne color on your stud. What color is the mare?
--- On Thu, 6/5/08, Cathy Hill <smoothmule@...> wrote:
From: Cathy Hill <smoothmule@...> Subject: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Any new foals in the group? To: "arabianponyregistryofamerica" <ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 9:10 PM
I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything is ready but Macarena herself :)
She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a 2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry. I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together.
His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just 10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range, maybe smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand
mare will mature at 12 hands.
Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the ponies are like? Cathy
I'm on foal watch waiting for my Arabian mare to foal. Everything is
ready but Macarena herself :)
She's kept me up and fussing over her the past couple nights but no
foal yet and we've had a lot of rain and storms so she may be holding
out for nicer weather. I plan to breed her to my pony stallion for a
2009 Arabian Pony. My stallion is an oversized miniature and could
not be registered with the registry because of the height requirements
but he is registered with the International Champagne Horse Registry.
I think he and Macarena will make a lovely Arabian Pony together.
His name is Lil Champagne Tease, aka Studley. You could not ask for a
better temperament, sound mind and loving personality and his foals
have been just like him. Macarena is 14.1 or 14.2 hands and he's just
10.2 hands so their offspring should be in the 13 hand range, maybe
smaller. My yearling pony filly by Studley and my 13.3 hand mare will
mature at 12 hands.
Attached are a couple of recent photo's of my stallion, his color is
amber champagne appaloosa. His base color is bay and my mare is also
bay. He's also homozygous for black, heterozygous agouti. I'm
curious to know what others are breeding to their Arabian mares for
the ponies besides other small Arabians and Welsh Ponies and what the
ponies are like?
Cathy
--
Cathy Hill
Five Hills Farm