Yes overbreeding is part of the problem, but only part. I dont care how well a breeding is planned, the best bloodlines in the world will still throw out duds every now and then. And yes there are people out there who will breed just to breed and breed associations would be best served to follow the Eurpean model of inspections and a horse proving itself on an individual basis as worthy of reproduction. Unfortunately they will not do that as their profits are driven by the numbers of horses registered. Look at APHA and their recent registration drive to register eligible horses
that werent papered for whatever reason. I too have been around and I will always believe slaughter is far more humane than what I am seeing now. When there is competition for those nicer horses the kill buyers wont pay for them. IF they are that nice, well cared for and well trained they will be sold to good homes because people are willing to pay for them. I just sold a 12.2 hand pony for almost a $1000.00. Any other time he'd have brought $2500.00 Even so, at that price I know he wasnt going to kill. SOmetimes there is no other option. There are animals out there that are dangerous or are in pain or who will starve to death dumpedout somewhere if not taken to slaughter. No onelikes the idea of slaughter. I go to great pains to make sure my horses have the kind of care and training to make them too valuable for the kill buyers to compete. Unfortunately right now, unless a horses does bring at top price at auction, you
can't be sure it wont go there. Mexican kill plants are cruel. The new Modern American plants are being built and geared specifically for horses and a muchmore humane end than Mexico. You cant save them all. I myself only breed for what I know I will use myself or have a buyer for before hand. I just sold one I had bred to keep but they were willing to pay good money for him because they wanted him that badly. He is a solid palomino colt that will mature maybe 46 inches tall. I bred him to replace the above mentioned $1000.00 one I sold.
Utopia is that every horse born is loved and wanted and will have a happy productive life. Utopia is not reality and we must live in this world, the real world.
--- On Tue, 6/2/09, westernarabs <westernarabs@...> wrote:
From: westernarabs <westernarabs@...> Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica] Horse theft To: ArabianPonyRegistryofAmerica@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:42 PM
Unfortunately, these horses that are going to be sent to slaughter are treated much worse than any of you have any idea of. The theft of horses is not the starving, neglected ones that can be sold for kill. They are the good looking, fat ones. This has been a problem as long as I have been in horses - over 45 years. They don't want the ones thrown away at a sale yard that are sick, thin, crippled, or old. They want the good looking, fat, slick, well mannered ones that are easy to handle. In other words, your horse standing in the barn or pasture.
I DO NOT SUPPORT horse slaughter! I've seen what happens to these animals and it is not an answer to any of the problems we face today. No matter how many plants are opened, we will still be dealing with unwanted, mutt types of horses. I also do not agree with PETA or the Humane Society. Those are extremes. What is needed is to
have all of us that have ever bred our horses or plan to, to be responsible horse owners. If the market is bad, then don't breed. If you can't be for certain your horses will go to great homes, then don't sell them or offer them for sale. It's up to us to fix this problem, not put more legislation out there to do it for us. We need to fix our own mess. I know for myself, if I can't sell them to great homes, then I keep them. I have not bred any of my mares this year nor last year. I won't until the economy is better, if it ever is. I have a great stallion and some fantastic bloodlines in my broodmares, but I will not breed them until I know for sure that it is worth doing so and the benefit of the animal I bring into this world.
We are all responsible for the over population of horses right now. Those animals are out there because someone bred the mare and stallion. They are here
on purpose. So in HO, to send them to be killed and eaten is irresponsible. And to put them through what they go through from the sale yard, to the trucks, to the plants and the assembly line where they are shot with a bolt to the head and killed (if they are lucky) and then processed, is beyond in-humane.
I hope that not all of the members of this new organization will take the stand to make up laws to cover up this issue and just kill them off because nobody wants them. AHA has just taken that stand and over half the membership is screaming for a recind of the vote. it will hurt the organization, so I'm hoping everyone will think this over very carefully.
Mary Sotis White Rose Ranch Tolleson, AZ
--- On Tue, 6/2/09, Cynthia <possumpony@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Cynthia <possumpony@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Horse theft To: ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 1:24 PM
Unfortunately you are probably right there. At least when Montana
legalized and authorized horse slaughter they wrote the law in such a way that it will cost H$U$ a ton of $ to even begin fighting a fight they will lose and with it all the $ they have to put up to do it. I dont think they will be ablt to stop hors slaughter any longer. In fact it is coming back in stronger than ever with 13 proposed plants now whereas before we had three. People who supported H$U$ in the past are getting a wake up call as to the reality of what being responsible towards animals entails and that sometimes it entails humane slaughter. They have finally seen the surge in animal neglect, starvation and abuse cases that resulted in plant closures and switched camps. The reality of our economy being unable to sustain equine shelters on the level AR people insist upon and the infeasibility of putting to sleep and burying large numbers of horse carcasses laced with deadly chemicals and
the environmental havoc such burials would induce into our ecosystem. The only viable solution is slaughter. Reasonable people when presented with all the facts are coming to that realization and turning against PETA and H$US.
--- On Tue, 6/2/09, M Covault <birdcompanions@ onlineok. com> wrote:
From: M Covault <birdcompanions@ onlineok. com> Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Horse theft To: ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 12:30 PM
H$U$ doesn't care--it'd just use something else. They are "opportunists" who prey on guilt, fear, and gullibility to enrich their coffers at the expense of animals and people.
If only H$U$ knew that most of those covered wagons settling the west were pulled by oxen and not horses, they would be busy putting McDonalds out of business instead of the local horse breeders! After all, we all know what species oxen come from and it ain't equine folks!
--- On Tue, 6/2/09, M Covault <birdcompanions@ onlineok. com> wrote:
From: M Covault <birdcompanions@ onlineok. com> Subject: Re: [ArabianPonyRegistr yofAmerica] Horse theft To: ArabianPonyRegistry ofAmerica@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:45 AM
I agree, and H$U$ was one of the main organizations behind closing horsemeat packing plants (with the horses as pets and noble helpers to settle the west argument). They ran a full page slick ad in the Austin American-Statesman the year that was being debated, and I'm sure they ran ads elsewhere--paid for, of course, with dollars from deceived donors. Their web site is just *full* of propaganda pieces that slam every aspect of animal use. They are careful with their words and claim to be for the human/animal bond *now*, but that's a big lie and you can see through the words if you read enough. Their true actions against animal use tell the real story. Wayne Pacelle, their CEO/President is a sociopath, IMO, and since he came to power in 2005, he has waged a sometimes sneaky war on the animal industry on every front, though it's not so sneaky if you analyze what H$U$ says and what it does.
Erica Saunders is constantly monitored by H$U$ because she pulls no punches in exposing them: http://ar-hr. com. She must have a better firewall than the EndangeredOwner blogspot [endangeredowner.blogspot.com/ ] site, which has been sabotaged for anti-H$U$ rhetoric.
And without a doubt, closing the horsemeat packing plants in the U.S. Just because our culture doesn't choose to eat horsemeat, doesn't mean others don't or shouldn't. And yet by our legislation, we have made it more difficult to obtain for those who have no problem with it. You know, Adventists and the Jewish people don't eat pork, but I have yet to see them pass legislation that makes it difficult for me to do so if I choose. It's ridiculous for us as a nation to send the message to other countries that, just because this isn't our choice, it shouldn't be their's, either. With actions like that, and particularly in a world where so many are starving, it does send the wrong message about us. It's no wonder we're viewed as a nation of bullies in some countries.
I agree. As I said another time, we are offered *free* Arabian horses on a monthly basis--and we just can't take any more mouths to feed.
I personally consider the "animal rights" industry organizations (H$U$ is one of the worst) that were instigators and brainwashers of *reality* in regards to horses equally culpable with the bad economy. I believe these *grim reaper* organizations are *immoral* and *shameful*-- they are the root causes of way too many animal deaths, in the name of "animal protection". Yeah, better dead than bred, better dead than in a cage/stall, etc. What criminal insanity!
Isn't that amazing? And here where I live, near Portland, Oregon, horses are selling for as little as $5 at the local monthly horse sale - that is, when they sell. Many don't, and are either abandoned at the yard, or tied to other trailers parked in the lot. Just doesn't seem worth it to me.
With prices/sales of horses at an all-time low, you'd not think this would be a problem or even worth for low auction value, but evidently it is. ... There's a...
Isn't that amazing? And here where I live, near Portland, Oregon, horses are selling for as little as $5 at the local monthly horse sale - that is, when they...
I agree. As I said another time, we are offered *free* Arabian horses on a monthly basis--and we just can't take any more mouths to feed. I personally consider...
And without a doubt, closing the horsemeat packing plants in the U.S. Just because our culture doesn't choose to eat horsemeat, doesn't mean others don't or...
I agree, and H$U$ was one of the main organizations behind closing horsemeat packing plants (with the horses as pets and noble helpers to settle the west...
Really well broke horses and especially ponies are still commanding good prices. I just sold a small pony for nearly $1000.00 at auction. There are a lot of...
You'll be glad to know that several states have passed or are in the process of passing new laws to allow horse slaughter. Montana in particular added laws...
If only H$U$ knew that most of those covered wagons settling the west were pulled by oxen and not horses, they would be busy putting McDonalds out of business...
H$U$ doesn't care--it'd just use something else. They are "opportunists" who prey on guilt, fear, and gullibility to enrich their coffers at the expense of...
Unfortunately you are probably right there. At least when Montana legalized and authorized horse slaughter they wrote the law in such a way that it will cost...
My veterinarian just left here - we had a discussion on the slaughter issue. When I brought it up, I didn't know what her response would be (since she is...
Unfortunately, these horses that are going to be sent to slaughter are treated much worse than any of you have any idea of. The theft of horses is not the...
Yes overbreeding is part of the problem, but only part. I dont care how well a breeding is planned, the best bloodlines in the world will still throw out duds...
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