Sensei John Langley 7th Dan of the Institute of Aikido WA will be
visiting Cleveland Dojo on Thursday 22nd June.

Sensei Langley has 35 years experience in Aikido. His teaching is
powerful and enlightening.

Sensei Langley is only in Brisbane for one class only and should not
be missed.

Address
Edgar Harley Pavillion
Cleveland Showground
Long Street
Cleveland
near corner Smith Street

Class time is 6.30 - 8.30 pm
cost will be $8.00

Any queries to Thom Hansen
aikido@...
or 0419 023 700

hope to see you there

Cheers Thom

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I thought I'd return to the days of old and write up a
small report on our visiting instructors class.

The address for the report is
http://griffithaikido.com/aikidotasmania.html

Enjoy,
Charlie

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Hi All,

Just a quick note to let everyone know that I'll be running a new
class at Seisin Dojo (Seven Hills, Brisbane). This class will be held
on Saturdays and will be run from 1:30pm till 3:00pm, starting on
Saturday the 3rd of June. This is a general class and everyone is
welcome.

Aikido has given me a great deal and I very glad to have this
opportunity to give something back. I'm really looking forward to
holding this class.

If you've got any questions about the class I can be contacted at the
following email address: njharris@...

Best wishes to you all and I hope to see you on the mat soon.

Nathan Harris

Dave Brown Sensei 6 Dan will be bringing his personal brand of aiki
mayhem back to Brisbane on the weekend of 17/18 June.

Classes will be at the Brisbane Aiki Kai 95 Commercial Road, Newstead.

Times Saturday 1000 to 1200 & 1330 to 1530

Sunday 0900 to 1100 & 1130 to 1330

Cost $20 per session or $60 for the weekend.

Everyone is welcome.

For more details contact Dave on 0409250065 or at dkolb@...

Aikido Yuishinkai Australia New Zealand Seminar Series 2006
Master Koretoshi Maruyama, the Founder of Aikido Yuishinkai will tour
Australia New Zealand in October 2006 offering a series of weekend
seminars, accompanied by Michael Williams Sensei.

An original student of O-Sensei and a professional instructor since
1967, Maruyama Sensei is widely admired and respected throughout the
world.  Maruyama Sensei has dedicated his life to communicating the
benefits of ‘positive mind’ through Aikido training. Maruyama
Sensei’s accessible and inspirational teaching style, infused with
humour, vigour and grace, is an example of positive, non-contentious
mindfulness and ‘Aikido without Boundaries’. This year marks the 10th
Anniversary of Aikido Yuishinkai. The seminar series is designed to
cater to all levels of training ability. All styles of aikido are
welcome to attend.

Aikido Yuishinkai Australia New Zealand Seminar proposed schedule 2006
Brisbane,  October 7,8
Byron Bay (mid week),  (Seniors and Yuki classes proposed)
Sydney,  October 14,15,
Melbourne,  October 21, 22,
Auckland,  October 28, 29

- Most individual seminars will include a few extra sessions of
training before/after the weekend and the odd social event.
- More details will be posted on http://aikidoyuishinkai.com and on
host seminar sites as they become available(see below).
- Individual seminar locations may offer billeting for those from out
of town and possibly special discounts to those attending multiple
seminar locations

Useful seminar links
Brisbane  http://griffithaikido.com/aikidoevents.html
Byron Bay http://aikidoyuishinkai.com
Sydney  http://aikidoinsydney.com
Melbourne, http://www.aikicentre.com.au
Auckland, http://www.aikidoyuishinkai.org.nz


--
daniel james
griffith university aikido club
nathan qld 4111, australia
http://griffithaikido.com
+61 (0)7 3735 5036 (w), +61 (0)7 3735 5384(f) ,
+61 (0)401 683 592 (m)

"..we're continually bombarded with promises of immediate gratification,
instant success, and fast, temporary relief, all of which lead in
exactly
the wrong direction", G.Leonard






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Dear Aikidoka and Senseis and Shihans,

My name is Kharla Kedgley (FieryHawk is a spiritual-religious name given to me
so I often use FieryHawk instead of Kharla to sign my emails off with!). I found
your group by searching for Aikido and specifically any groups for Australian
practitioners. Originally, I trained with Shihan Ken Maclean (who taught in
Sydney's CBD in the Angel Arcade for years, then at Bondi Junction, and also the
Paddington PCYC (sp?)) but I lived in the Blue Mountains and my father had
started Aikido with me, then his father died. He was grieving and didn't have
any heart left in him for much at the time, so he decided to stop traveling all
the way from the Blue Mts. to Bondi Junction to train. I enjoyed Aikido, even
though, coming from a background in (Shorin Ryu) Karate, I came away from my
first ever lesson/session, thinking, "I'll never get this/the hang of this!" -
something I'm sure many of you also experienced when you first went to a class
or were shown some Aikido. Mind you, when I began my first degree (BA) and had
started buying the books for my elected subjects (Archeology, Ancient History
and Classical Hebrew - yes, I was at the time wanting to go into epigraphy and
work as an archeologist in Israel) and saw the Torah - the Old Testament - in
Hebrew, the characters swum before my eyes I started thinking "I'll never get
this; I'm in way over my head!"

Well, I was awarded all of the (very few) scholarships available to the academic
best in Classical Hebrew and, coupled with my marks from my other major (I did
two, taking up Women's Studies in my 2nd year of my BA degree when it was really
new to the Uni's curriculum and I guess to ensue other faculties didn't see it
as woolly or easy, it was interdisciplinary with essential or core subjects also
and I got rhe highest marks which were Distinctions; I never managed a High
Distinction in Women's Studies, but always in the other subjects and esp.
Hebrew).

Then, in the middle of my degree, I received an offer of membership (which is
always by invitation only) based on my academic results to join the
(US-based/created but now international) Golden Key Honour Society. Knowing it
was from the US I was a bit suspicious but one of my teachers said, it'll look
good on your resume and looks genuine, so join up - you've nothing to lose
(joining is lifelong and free)


My point isn't to flout my marks but to explain how useless I felt after my
first Aikido lesson, that I'd never learn or grasp it as I had much more easily
grasped Karate, was the same way I'd felt when I looked at trhe Old Testament in
Hebrew and became fearful, wondernig if I had indeed gotten myself into
something too difficult for me.

As it turned out, I graduated with Honours and my partner, Shihan Harry Hall,
(who I first met in Aikido class but we didn't become friends till later and
then eventually partners - long story to tell one day <g>) has taught me with
his own students since we moved from the Blue Mountains (Katoomba, to be exact)
in '96 to the Redcliffe Peninsula, North Brisbane (QLD) and had his own dojo.
Previous to that he had been Shihan Ken MacLean's assistant instructor in class,
and also taught the children's Aikido classes at Paddington's (NSW)
PCYC. Then when we moved to Katoomba he met a woman who owned a large property
and she invited him to teach Aikido there - I was busy pregnant and then with a
newborn during that time, so wasn't able to train, although I'd come and watch,
itching to join in!

When our baby got bronchiolitis (caused by someone passing on an RSV (sp?) virus
to him somehow), so that I was having to use a ventilator with asthma type
medication in it which he hated.. but which, along with antibiotic stuff, would
keep him live, I wondered about the suitability of our place at Katoomba. Well,
when we went to visit my parents and siblings (I'm the eldest of 6) all living
just North of the Redcliffe Peninsula (in a place called Burpengary), I
selected, intuitively, the Motel and for reasons I think Fate knows more about
than myself, chose a Motel on the Peninsula and not closer to my parents' place
than others but one I felt drawn to. I loved the fact also it was a short
crossing across a road and one was on a beach !! (we're surrounded by Moreton
and Stradbroke Island so don't get much that resembles surf) - I had grown up
with the beach being hours drive away and also it was winter but people were
able to wear t-shirts as it was so mild. I loved the place and badgered my
partner all the way home on our trip (3 days - we had stop at Motels; I was then
breastfeeding our son). By the time we arrived back to our Katoomba place, Harry
could see the contrast immediately... And, being very intuitive and both Fire
(sun) signs, we decided to take a leap of faith, make a major change and move.
We again went to Redcliffe, found a real estate agent I felt was genuine, and
saw several places before the one we live in now - and have since almost 10
years now


We saw the potential: a double garage, covered in petrol/oil stains we could
make into a dojo for us and if Harry decided to start teaching classes again.
Plus potential for a lovely garden, pergolas and a meditation hut (next to the
dojo). Anyway, after a lot of work and fine-tuning over years, we have it in
great condition
and since 1997 Harry has been teaching Shin Sen Aikido to adults (only a few
times has any other woman turn up besides myself, and that was the wife of one
of Harry's regular students).

It was interesting when Harry's old teacher sent him a white hakama when Harry
asked about teaching from his own dojo which was in our backyard (it's totally
clean, has skylights, fans, shutters/blinds on windows to keep out the views
nosey neighbours might get of our martial art work there, and the sun!). It was
meant as a symbol to indicate Harry as a Master or Shihan, or higher, in his own
right... Harry is a very humble man and continued to wear his black hakama and
the white one is still in its wrappings - never been worn! I learn something new
everyday from my partner about humbleness, gentleness of spirit, and about
Aikido philosophy as well as the techniques. I once was eager to get my black
belt and now it is getting the flow of Ki and the techniques becoming so easily
executed at a soft level that I am concerned with and not my grading for Shodan
which is coming up sometime - Harry says whenever I'm ready, but as I've had
some operations (endometriosis related) not so long ago, I'm not quite ready yet
physically although every other part of me is raring to go!

Harry himself had to be tricked or pushed into gradings by Shihan Ken McLean! He
wasn't interested and would turn up to class and suddenly be told he was being
tested for his 4th or 5th dan! And as much as he tried to avoid it, they made
him do the gradings. I admired that about him and still do. And as he is not
just my partner, but my Aikido teacher, a mentor and he is also a lot older than
myself (he is 82, I'm 34; we've a 110 1/2 yr old son and got together and have
been together since 1990 - nearly 16 years now ), I endeavour to learn from his
example in his conduct and ethics and so on as much as I can. And I am so
pleased to be able to say that my partner is my hero, mentor and inspiration.
Most people never list their husbands, wives or partners but celebrities or
sporting 'role models'. For me, it's Harry.

Anyway, Harry was conducting classes in our dojo twice a week (for about 1 1/2-2
hours from about 5-6.30 or 7pm) but one student dropped out once he gained his
Shodan citing that he wanted to follow his "inner child" (he was a Canadian and
had done some psychology studies before moving into working with autistic and
other children with special needs) although when he said that my first thought
(which I naturally did not verbalise!) was that from what I knew of him, he
needed to find his "inner adult" (i.e., be more responsible such as to his wife,
children and so on). Then one guy's work hours changed and he is so tired he
hasn't trained since last year. And one stalwart ended up having his
long-standing shoulder pain checked out at the Prince Charles Hospital,
Chermside (QLD) and actually had a heart attack in the hospital - which saved
his life... but he is in no condition to do Aikido (he hasn't been able to pas
the stress tolerance test as yet and his face looks ashen gray). One guy who'd
privately study (who is a qualified Zen Do Kai Karate Sensei) developed a
business a few years ago and now that's taking up all his time so doing Aikido
is not his first priority, unfortunately. Lastly, we had guy left and Harry
didn't want to train exclusively with him so Aikido training has been suspended
for sometime.

Anyway, I don't know if any of you have heard of Harry Hall of Ken McLean (of
Shin Sen Aikido) but I wanted to introduce you to the style (like Aikikai but I
think Ken broke away at one stage to form Shin Sen Aikido) and Harry isn't
interested in computers except for occasionally thinking about typing up some of
his profound writings on it - which I'd insist go to publisher, they're so true
and good. So when I came across the list, I and to write an introduction for
both of us to the group.

I am 34 and our son is now 10. He is really into martial arts - just as well,
considering his parents both are - and loves to be taught Karate and Aikido by
myself and some Aikido by Harry. He is very physically strong and smart and has
fast reflexes plus a sense of fairness which is excellent because it has saved
him from getting into unnecessary fights with other school kids, and when he was
being picked on at one stage, he fought back and now the bully is his friend -
Lol! It is my hope he and a good friend of is, about a year older, will want to
learn together so they can work with each other under my supervision.

Anyway, this was a very long-winded intro. I hope none of my fellow Aikidoists
aren't offended by the length. I just knew I hadn't introduced myself to the
list and thought I should, esp. when I saw a post about an even in Brisbane
soon.

By the way, I a wondering how often people post to the list and discuss
techniques or philosophy/ethics, when they believe a child can really grasp (or
begin to, anyway) Aikido... and what ppl on the list think  causes more women
than men to be drawn to Aikido than to many other martial arts?


Blessings,
FieryHawk (HP)
(NB: The HP is a title indicating I' an ordained High Priestess in feminist
Dianic Witchcraft/Wicca. I am very much a feminist and run three women's
e-groups and cyber 'covens' on the internet. Mind you, in 2001 I was made an
ordained Minister  of the organisation/religious org' Universal Ministries which
meant I could legally use the term Reverend or "Rev." before my name but I
wasn't keen no that as it connected me with the terms used in Catholic or
Protestant denominations and my focus is Pagan or, to be precise, Wicca or
Witchcraft. Dianic means we acknowledge one supreme deity - the Goddess who is i
all thing and has no male consort, so we do not believe in a male deity of any
sort, and when we work together, as a rule, it is women-only). Just thought I'd
mention it so those of you interested in what Dianic means can get some idea.

And if anyone *is* interested in finding out more they're welcome to email me at
fieryhawk@...<mailto:fieryhawk@...> or go to Yahoo! Groups and
apply to join my Dianics Of Australia group (webpage:
http://groupsyahoo.com/group/dianics_of_australia<http://groupsyahoo.com/group/d\
ianics_of_australia>

Also, I run Brisbane Dianics (webpage:
and S.O.A.R! (Sisters Of Artemis, Rejoice!) (webpage:
- the latter two are for women living in the Brisbane and surrounding areas,
from the South al the way up to Mayfield, Caboolture, Bribie Island etc).. and
are all online groups/elists but are being made into irl groups where the women
get to meet myself and each other. The Dianics of Australia has women spread all
across Australia so a get together would be difficult but we can organise
rituals done at the same time as each other, just not in each other's physical
presence).



Harry is quite content for it never to resume and to just get on with his own
workouts etc, and get me to Shodan and beyond.



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Sorry Dante,

There was no video I'm afraid.

The seminar was a great success, a fairly intense 3 days and one of
those things where you really had to be there.  I think anyone who
attended could attest to Aiga Sensei's qualities and ability.

On behalf of the organisers and Brisbane Aiki kai I like to thank
everyone for their support.

Plans are afoot for a reurn visit next year.

Happy Easter

Dave



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> Hi Dave ,
> How did the Ariga Sensei seminar go?
> Was any video record made and if so will it be made available?
> Kind Regards
> Dante
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> Hi everyone,
>
> Only 3 more sleeps until Ariga Sensei arrives on Friday.
>
> Please feel free to come along and join us.
>
> Details below or at http://www.aikidobrisbane.org/Pages/News.asp
>
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>
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Hi Dave ,
How did the Ariga Sensei seminar go?
Was any video record made and if so will it be made available?
Kind Regards
Dante

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Hi everyone,

Only 3 more sleeps until Ariga Sensei arrives on Friday.

Please feel free to come along and join us.

Details below or at http://www.aikidobrisbane.org/Pages/News.asp

Regards

Dave





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Hi everyone,

Only 3 more sleeps until Ariga Sensei arrives on Friday.

Please feel free to come along and join us.

Details below or at http://www.aikidobrisbane.org/Pages/News.asp

Regards

Dave

Good onya brother,  you sound like you are training for all the right reasons. 
So enjoy and grow and walk the path with the rest of us.  One of the reasons for
wearing coloured belts is to let others know how experienced you are so each of
you can train at your level.  ie how well you can take an atemi etc.

   Richard

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Hi,
I have been training in martial arts since I was 13
years old and after 17 years I am happy to say that
till today I love to wear the white belt where ever I
go. The utlimate achievements in martial arts is not
about how many dan we have or how many techniques we
have learned over the years but how much we have
progressed as a human being. When I first started in
Karate, I was eager as a young person to earn my
black-belt so that I can show it to my friends. But
after all these years(which are nothing compared to
lifetime) I have noticed a gradual development in my
ablility not to fight. I have been doing aikido for
about nearly 5 years and still white-belt. Since main
goal of budo is to face yourself and let not your ego
overcome your ability.
Even I have seen many senior aikidoka as soon as they
look at a technique they think that they have done it
before and don't look at what the sensei is doing.
Most probably that is where I can understand that
Japanese way of teaching was in past different from
how we learn today. Shioda sensei said once that
O'Sensei never explained in 10 years what he was
doing. If you ask him he will show you the technique
again. So I guess my point of view is to have no ego
is the ultimate of Martial arts. Let it be any martial
art because in Essence all of them are same and one.
cheers

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As a follow up from his successful visit last year, Ariga Sensei (4
Dan) will conduct a weekend seminar in Brisbane from 31 March to 2
April.  Ariga Sensei is a personal student of renowned master, Endo
Shihan, and is a dynamic instructor in his own right.

Classes will be held on Friday evening, Saturday and Sunday morning
and afternoon at the Holy Spirit School Hall in Villiers Street, New
Farm.

Times will be: Friday 6.00 to 7.30pm, Saturday 9.30 to 11.30am and
1.00 to 3.00pm, and Sunday 9.00 to 11.00am and 12.00 to 2.00pm.

Cost: $25 per class or $110 for the whole weekend.

We will also planning a barefoot bowls challenge on Saturday evening
and lunch will be available for a small extra charge on both days.

Everyone is welcome.

For more details contact Dave Kolb on 0409250065 or by email
dkolb@...

This afternoon Graham Brown Sensei was laid to rest at the Mt.
Gravatt Cemetery. Over a hunderd people attended his memorial service
from all walks of life. Many remember Graham Sensei fondly from his
time on the mat, whether teaching  a few extra little tricks 'in a
conspiracy of two', taking or just attending class. Practicing aikido
until his middle seventies he was an inspiration to many of us on the
mat
I was staggered to learn the extent of his hobbies including fishing,
martial-arts, history, aviation, music, woodwork and gem hunting,
esp. If he was half as accomplished in any of these as he was in
Aikido. Above all he had an active and loving extended family life
and will be missed by many.

goodbye Graham and thanks for all the nikkyos
--
daniel james
griffith university aikido club
nathan qld 4111, australia
http://griffithaikido.com
+61 (0)7 3735 5036 (w), +61 (0)7 3735 5384(f) ,
+61 (0)401 683 592 (m)

"..we're continually bombarded with promises of immediate gratification,
instant success, and fast, temporary relief, all of which lead in
exactly
the wrong direction", G.Leonard

Hi. My english is bad. Is there, in Australia some aikido camping
friendship, for sommer?

Hi all,

I have a double video set for sale: "Unarmed and
Dangerous: Empty-Hand Tactics Against the Armed
Attacker", by James Keating.

Volume 1 deals with knives, handguns, and impact
weapons, while Volume 2 covers rifles, shotguns, and
long weapons. The demonstrations with live rounds in
handguns are particularly impressive!

Many of you will know James Keating as one of the
world's foremost edged weapon instructors. He has
trained in a wide range of arts, including Aikido, and
these tapes include some very neat applications of
kotegaeshi/koteoroshi, and some combat-effective moves
similar to shihonage. . . and lots of other responses
that will make you jump off the couch to actually give
them a try!

The tapes are brand new, VHS in NTSC (North American)
format. They retail for $45 US plus post, and I'm
wanting to sell them for $50 Aus, plus whatever the
postage cost is to you.

If you'd like more information, check out the
publisher's web page:
http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=897

If you're interested, email me - it's first in, first
served.

Cheers,

Mark Trudinger



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cheers
Brett


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Saw this today and thought it quite funny.



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Thats right Richard. We must always travel with a white belt. Somehow
we are all beginners.

Cheers,
Ricardo

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>
> Hi Assunta,  Sorry to hear about your plight - so I thought I would
add my 3 cents worth.
>
>   1.  Why don't you attend as a white belt.  Every time I go to a
different school or style of Aikido or martial arts where I feel that
my rank would not be accepted or in fact get in the way of the new
teachings, I wear a white belt.  I still get the benefit of the
training without the hassel.  ( Wearing a white belt no one expects
you to know anything)
>
>   2.  Do you know if this semminar is closed to just that style or
for  specific grades or maybe for instructors only etc?
>
>   3.  This is the difficult point to explaine - but here goes -
about recognition of ranks -  If you needed brain surgery and I
approached you and told you I was a qualified brain surgen - wouldn't
you ask for some proof?  And if I showed you my deploma that I
graduated from brain surgery school in Middle Slobovia, but don't you
worry that I don't have Australian qualifications would you let me
operate?  What I am saying is that everyone has the right to accept
or deny your rank.  So if I really wanted to go, I would supress my
ego, put on my white belt and enjoy the teachings.
>
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Thanks Lauren

Very wise words. Yes you¹re right I have no desire to train with such narrow
minded people, but I was looking forward to experiencing the Doshu¹s
teaching.  The silly thing is that if I was in Japan I could just show up to
Hombu pay my money and train in his class.  As for being hurt.. Far from it,
I was not surprised by the rejection, in fact I expected it.  Nothing like
drawing out the attack and then using the persons own ego against them. :)




On 26/1/06 10:58 PM, "Lauren" <lachesis@...> wrote:

> Hi Assunta,
>
> I have another point of view for you to consider. That perhaps this
> is the universe working in your favour. A rejection hurts,
> especially when it is so unjust, but maybe it is better that you do
> not train with such narrow-minded people. Or maybe the seminar is
> destined to be blown to smithereens by terrorists and you're being
> saved. Maybe you need to be somewhere else instead. Or maybe this
> discussion is the ultimate reason.
>
> The universe works in mysterious ways.
>
> I'd also be wary of people who are so eager to air their dirty
> laundry in public that the words Melbourne and Japan somehow look
> like each other...
>
> Take care,
> Lauren
>
>
> --- In Aikido_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Assunta Morrone
> <assuntam@o...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Richard thanks for your very interesting responses.   Different
> views and
>> > opinions is what makes healthy debate and democratic societies.
>> >
>> > It would not have mattered what rank I had.  We were refused entry
> because
>> > we did not have a grading that was recognised by hombu.
>> >
>> > Further how do test competency or qualifications.   I have trained
> with many
>> > Dan grades who are hard, rough, disrespectful, arrogant, and who
> couldn¹t
>> > find their centre, or yours, if you gave them a map with the spot
> marked X
>> > on it
>> >
>> > On the question of style- what is style anyway.  Sure some schools
> believe
>> > that their way to do Ikkyo is the right way, but  there are many
> ways to do
>> > ikkyo and they are all right as long as you work with the
> principles of
>> > Aikido.
>> >
>> > To suggest that an Australian Dan grading is better than one from
> Middle
>> > Slobovia is a question of ego.  Anyway it was Aiki-Kai that
> expressed their
>> > ego by excluding people.
>> >
>> > In the memory of the great Graeme "Shirley" Strachan  ³ego is not
> a dirty
>> > word²
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 26/1/06 1:01 PM, "Richard Pernatin" <aikione2001@y...> wrote:
>> >
>>> > > Hi Assunta,  Sorry to hear about your plight - so I thought I
> would add my 3
>>> > > cents worth.
>>> > >
>>> > >   1.  Why don't you attend as a white belt.  Every time I go to
> a different
>>> > > school or style of Aikido or martial arts where I feel that my
> rank would not
>>> > > be accepted or in fact get in the way of the new teachings, I
> wear a white
>>> > > belt.  I still get the benefit of the training without the
> hassel.  ( Wearing
>>> > > a white belt no one expects you to know anything)
>>> > >
>>> > >   2.  Do you know if this semminar is closed to just that style
> or for
>>> > > specific grades or maybe for instructors only etc?
>>> > >
>>> > >   3.  This is the difficult point to explaine - but here goes -
> about
>>> > > recognition of ranks -  If you needed brain surgery and I
> approached you and
>>> > > told you I was a qualified brain surgen - wouldn't you ask for
> some proof?
>>> > > And if I showed you my deploma that I graduated from brain
> surgery school in
>>> > > Middle Slobovia, but don't you worry that I don't have Australian
>>> > > qualifications would you let me operate?  What I am saying is
> that everyone
>>> > > has the right to accept or deny your rank.  So if I really
> wanted to go, I
>>> > > would supress my ego, put on my white belt and enjoy the
> teachings.
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers   Richard
>>> > >
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Apologies,

Having reconsidered my response while meditating in a warm shower (as
one does), I have decided to retract my last statement and replace it
with:

Be wary of instructors of the art of peace who hold grudges against
the universe.

Regards,
Lauren

Hi Assunta,

I have another point of view for you to consider. That perhaps this
is the universe working in your favour. A rejection hurts,
especially when it is so unjust, but maybe it is better that you do
not train with such narrow-minded people. Or maybe the seminar is
destined to be blown to smithereens by terrorists and you're being
saved. Maybe you need to be somewhere else instead. Or maybe this
discussion is the ultimate reason.

The universe works in mysterious ways.

I'd also be wary of people who are so eager to air their dirty
laundry in public that the words Melbourne and Japan somehow look
like each other...

Take care,
Lauren


--- In Aikido_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Assunta Morrone
<assuntam@o...> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard thanks for your very interesting responses.   Different
views and
> opinions is what makes healthy debate and democratic societies.
>
> It would not have mattered what rank I had.  We were refused entry
because
> we did not have a grading that was recognised by hombu.
>
> Further how do test competency or qualifications.   I have trained
with many
> Dan grades who are hard, rough, disrespectful, arrogant, and who
couldn¹t
> find their centre, or yours, if you gave them a map with the spot
marked X
> on it
>
> On the question of style- what is style anyway.  Sure some schools
believe
> that their way to do Ikkyo is the right way, but  there are many
ways to do
> ikkyo and they are all right as long as you work with the
principles of
> Aikido.
>
> To suggest that an Australian Dan grading is better than one from
Middle
> Slobovia is a question of ego.  Anyway it was Aiki-Kai that
expressed their
> ego by excluding people.
>
> In the memory of the great Graeme "Shirley" Strachan  ³ego is not
a dirty
> word²
>
>
>
>
> On 26/1/06 1:01 PM, "Richard Pernatin" <aikione2001@y...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Assunta,  Sorry to hear about your plight - so I thought I
would add my 3
> > cents worth.
> >
> >   1.  Why don't you attend as a white belt.  Every time I go to
a different
> > school or style of Aikido or martial arts where I feel that my
rank would not
> > be accepted or in fact get in the way of the new teachings, I
wear a white
> > belt.  I still get the benefit of the training without the
hassel.  ( Wearing
> > a white belt no one expects you to know anything)
> >
> >   2.  Do you know if this semminar is closed to just that style
or for
> > specific grades or maybe for instructors only etc?
> >
> >   3.  This is the difficult point to explaine - but here goes -
about
> > recognition of ranks -  If you needed brain surgery and I
approached you and
> > told you I was a qualified brain surgen - wouldn't you ask for
some proof?
> > And if I showed you my deploma that I graduated from brain
surgery school in
> > Middle Slobovia, but don't you worry that I don't have Australian
> > qualifications would you let me operate?  What I am saying is
that everyone
> > has the right to accept or deny your rank.  So if I really
wanted to go, I
> > would supress my ego, put on my white belt and enjoy the
teachings.
> >
> > Cheers   Richard
> >
> >
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Hi Richard thanks for your very interesting responses.   Different views and
opinions is what makes healthy debate and democratic societies.

It would not have mattered what rank I had.  We were refused entry because
we did not have a grading that was recognised by hombu.

Further how do test competency or qualifications.   I have trained with many
Dan grades who are hard, rough, disrespectful, arrogant, and who couldn¹t
find their centre, or yours, if you gave them a map with the spot marked X
on it

On the question of style- what is style anyway.  Sure some schools believe
that their way to do Ikkyo is the right way, but  there are many ways to do
ikkyo and they are all right as long as you work with the principles of
Aikido.

To suggest that an Australian Dan grading is better than one from Middle
Slobovia is a question of ego.  Anyway it was Aiki-Kai that expressed their
ego by excluding people.

In the memory of the great Graeme "Shirley" Strachan  ³ego is not a dirty
word²




On 26/1/06 1:01 PM, "Richard Pernatin" <aikione2001@...> wrote:

> Hi Assunta,  Sorry to hear about your plight - so I thought I would add my 3
> cents worth.
>
>   1.  Why don't you attend as a white belt.  Every time I go to a different
> school or style of Aikido or martial arts where I feel that my rank would not
> be accepted or in fact get in the way of the new teachings, I wear a white
> belt.  I still get the benefit of the training without the hassel.  ( Wearing
> a white belt no one expects you to know anything)
>
>   2.  Do you know if this semminar is closed to just that style or for
> specific grades or maybe for instructors only etc?
>
>   3.  This is the difficult point to explaine - but here goes - about
> recognition of ranks -  If you needed brain surgery and I approached you and
> told you I was a qualified brain surgen - wouldn't you ask for some proof?
> And if I showed you my deploma that I graduated from brain surgery school in
> Middle Slobovia, but don't you worry that I don't have Australian
> qualifications would you let me operate?  What I am saying is that everyone
> has the right to accept or deny your rank.  So if I really wanted to go, I
> would supress my ego, put on my white belt and enjoy the teachings.
>
> Cheers   Richard
>
>
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Hi Assunta,  Sorry to hear about your plight - so I thought I would add my 3
cents worth.

   1.  Why don't you attend as a white belt.  Every time I go to a different
school or style of Aikido or martial arts where I feel that my rank would not be
accepted or in fact get in the way of the new teachings, I wear a white belt.  I
still get the benefit of the training without the hassel.  ( Wearing a white
belt no one expects you to know anything)

   2.  Do you know if this semminar is closed to just that style or for  specific
grades or maybe for instructors only etc?

   3.  This is the difficult point to explaine - but here goes - about
recognition of ranks -  If you needed brain surgery and I approached you and
told you I was a qualified brain surgen - wouldn't you ask for some proof?  And
if I showed you my deploma that I graduated from brain surgery school in Middle
Slobovia, but don't you worry that I don't have Australian qualifications would
you let me operate?  What I am saying is that everyone has the right to accept
or deny your rank.  So if I really wanted to go, I would supress my ego, put on
my white belt and enjoy the teachings.

Cheers   Richard


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Hi Adrian

thanks for your reply and support.  As a matter of fact i am going to
Brisbane end of march /april.

where is you dojo and when do you train.

On 25/01/2006, at 3:42 PM, Adrian Xavier wrote:

> Don't worry mate, you are not alone.
>  This sort of crap is running riot here in Aus at the moment and from
> my
>  recent first hand experience it has also filtered back to Japan. (At
> least
>  you hadn't booked tickets to Japan before you were denied...LOL)
>  Understandably though, as the powers that be here obviously can say
> what
>  they like to HQ, whether true or not, without any recourse available
> to the
>  student. Yes I agree with you, this is not the message from O'Sensei
> as I
>  understand it.
>
>  It's a sad state of affairs for sure. And I believe the Aikido
> community has
>  lost a lot from this, both in students and quality of teaching. If it
>  continues and Japan ever understands what is really happening here,
> we could
>  lose more than that.
>
>  It goes a little deeper for me than a seminar attendance though. (not
> making
>  light of it though) My question is, how can any one man here is
> Australia
>  determine the fate of any student and sleep straight in bed at night?
> I'm
>  not going to give full details on this list but suffice to say, in my
> case,
>  this was done without a dojo committee decision or even the manners
> by the
>  head dojo instructor to involve the student or give an explanation.
> Even
>  without an understanding of Aikido principles, that is just plain
> rude in my
>  opinion.
>
>  My only advice to you, from someone who has been involved with this
> first
>  hand is to just worry about what you can do for the good of Aiki.
> Don't
>  worry about these small minds.
>
>  Plant good seeds and reap a good harvest. For some maybe there should
> be a
>  first line that reads, don't be afraid to plant good seeds. ;-)
>
>  Best of luck with your training and if you are in Brisbane, feel free
> to
>  drop in and train with us. Our new dojo now has a true open door
> policy.
>
>
>
>
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>     Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:33:15 -0000
>     From: "assunta_morrone" <assuntam@...>
>  Subject: Doshu Visit
>
>  Hi everyone
>
>  I recently had an experience that has prompted me to ask if any one
> else has
>  had the same.
>
>  I have been training in Aikido for 10 years. My home dojo is an
> independent
>  dojo headed by Catherine Schnell Sensei, with over 25 years
> experience in
>  Aikido. Sensei has always provided a solid base in our style she has
>  encouraged us to train with other teachers and experience different
> styles
>  and training environments.  During my training I have had the
> opportunity to
>  train with some wonderful teachers such as Suzuki Yas Sensei, Endo
> Sensei,
>  Ariga Sensei, Patricia Hendrix Sensei, Denis Wheeler Sensei and many
> others
>  both interstate and overseas.
>
>  So you can imagine how excited I was when I heard the Doshu was
> coming to
>  Melbourne Australia.  I was even more excited when I heard that
> Aiki-kai
>  Australia had a non-member fee.  Knowing that it would be an extremely
>  popular event we promptly sent in our registration forms only to be
> told
>  that our registrations had been refused because we did not hold a Dan
>  grading that was recognized by Hombu Dojo.
>
>  You can imagine how disappointed I was that I was denied entry. 
> Having
>  trained with so many other groups and teachers I have never
> experienced such
>  overt discrimination and exclusion at any Aikido event.  No one has
> ever
>  asked for proof of my Dan grading, nor have I ever practiced Aikido
> in an
>  unsafe or disrespectful manner. 
>
>  I feel embarrassed and sad that Aikido in Australia is dominated by an
>  organization that excludes and discriminates against fellow Aikido
>  practitioners.  From my experience I have not found this to be the
> case in
>  other countries, where I have been told that everyone trains with
> everyone
>  and seminars are open to all. 
>
>  I can't help thinking that the narrow-minded "powers that be" at
> Aiki-kai
>  Australia, I would argue, have missed the point of O Sensei's
> teaching.
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That is sad..

Perhaps though it was very popular and they had to cut down entries?  Just
guessing.  However, the universe is the best teacher by far, and she never
discriminates.

Regards,
Gregor E

Quoting assunta_morrone <assuntam@...>:

> Hi everyone
>
> I recently had an experience that has prompted me to ask if any one else has
>
> had the same.
>
> I have been training in Aikido for 10 years. My home dojo is an independent
> dojo headed by Catherine Schnell Sensei, with over 25 years experience in
> Aikido. Sensei has always provided a solid base in our style she has
> encouraged us to train with other teachers and experience different styles
> and
> training environments.  During my training I have had the opportunity to
> train
> with some wonderful teachers such as Suzuki Yas Sensei, Endo Sensei,
> Ariga Sensei, Patricia Hendrix Sensei, Denis Wheeler Sensei and many
> others both interstate and overseas.
>
> So you can imagine how excited I was when I heard the Doshu was coming to
> Melbourne Australia.  I was even more excited when I heard that Aiki-kai
> Australia had a non-member fee.  Knowing that it would be an extremely
> popular event we promptly sent in our registration forms only to be told that
>
> our registrations had been refused because we did not hold a Dan grading
> that was recognized by Hombu Dojo.
>
> You can imagine how disappointed I was that I was denied entry.  Having
> trained with so many other groups and teachers I have never experienced
> such overt discrimination and exclusion at any Aikido event.  No one has ever
>
> asked for proof of my Dan grading, nor have I ever practiced Aikido in an
> unsafe or disrespectful manner.
>
> I feel embarrassed and sad that Aikido in Australia is dominated by an
> organization that excludes and discriminates against fellow Aikido
> practitioners.  From my experience I have not found this to be the case in
> other countries, where I have been told that everyone trains with everyone
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Don't worry mate, you are not alone.
This sort of crap is running riot here in Aus at the moment and from my
recent first hand experience it has also filtered back to Japan. (At least
you hadn't booked tickets to Japan before you were denied...LOL)
Understandably though, as the powers that be here obviously can say what
they like to HQ, whether true or not, without any recourse available to the
student. Yes I agree with you, this is not the message from O'Sensei as I
understand it.

It's a sad state of affairs for sure. And I believe the Aikido community has
lost a lot from this, both in students and quality of teaching. If it
continues and Japan ever understands what is really happening here, we could
lose more than that.

It goes a little deeper for me than a seminar attendance though. (not making
light of it though) My question is, how can any one man here is Australia
determine the fate of any student and sleep straight in bed at night? I'm
not going to give full details on this list but suffice to say, in my case,
this was done without a dojo committee decision or even the manners by the
head dojo instructor to involve the student or give an explanation. Even
without an understanding of Aikido principles, that is just plain rude in my
opinion.

My only advice to you, from someone who has been involved with this first
hand is to just worry about what you can do for the good of Aiki. Don't
worry about these small minds.

Plant good seeds and reap a good harvest. For some maybe there should be a
first line that reads, don't be afraid to plant good seeds. ;-)

Best of luck with your training and if you are in Brisbane, feel free to
drop in and train with us. Our new dojo now has a true open door policy.




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    Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:33:15 -0000
    From: "assunta_morrone" <assuntam@...>
Subject: Doshu Visit

Hi everyone

I recently had an experience that has prompted me to ask if any one else has
had the same.

I have been training in Aikido for 10 years. My home dojo is an independent
dojo headed by Catherine Schnell Sensei, with over 25 years experience in
Aikido. Sensei has always provided a solid base in our style she has
encouraged us to train with other teachers and experience different styles
and training environments.  During my training I have had the opportunity to
train with some wonderful teachers such as Suzuki Yas Sensei, Endo Sensei,
Ariga Sensei, Patricia Hendrix Sensei, Denis Wheeler Sensei and many others
both interstate and overseas.

So you can imagine how excited I was when I heard the Doshu was coming to
Melbourne Australia.  I was even more excited when I heard that Aiki-kai
Australia had a non-member fee.  Knowing that it would be an extremely
popular event we promptly sent in our registration forms only to be told
that our registrations had been refused because we did not hold a Dan
grading that was recognized by Hombu Dojo.

You can imagine how disappointed I was that I was denied entry.  Having
trained with so many other groups and teachers I have never experienced such
overt discrimination and exclusion at any Aikido event.  No one has ever
asked for proof of my Dan grading, nor have I ever practiced Aikido in an
unsafe or disrespectful manner.

I feel embarrassed and sad that Aikido in Australia is dominated by an
organization that excludes and discriminates against fellow Aikido
practitioners.  From my experience I have not found this to be the case in
other countries, where I have been told that everyone trains with everyone
and seminars are open to all.

I can't help thinking that the narrow-minded "powers that be" at Aiki-kai
Australia, I would argue, have missed the point of O Sensei's teaching.









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Hi everyone

I recently had an experience that has prompted me to ask if any one else has
had the same.

I have been training in Aikido for 10 years. My home dojo is an independent
dojo headed by Catherine Schnell Sensei, with over 25 years experience in
Aikido. Sensei has always provided a solid base in our style she has
encouraged us to train with other teachers and experience different styles and
training environments.  During my training I have had the opportunity to train
with some wonderful teachers such as Suzuki Yas Sensei, Endo Sensei,
Ariga Sensei, Patricia Hendrix Sensei, Denis Wheeler Sensei and many
others both interstate and overseas.

So you can imagine how excited I was when I heard the Doshu was coming to
Melbourne Australia.  I was even more excited when I heard that Aiki-kai
Australia had a non-member fee.  Knowing that it would be an extremely
popular event we promptly sent in our registration forms only to be told that
our registrations had been refused because we did not hold a Dan grading
that was recognized by Hombu Dojo.

You can imagine how disappointed I was that I was denied entry.  Having
trained with so many other groups and teachers I have never experienced
such overt discrimination and exclusion at any Aikido event.  No one has ever
asked for proof of my Dan grading, nor have I ever practiced Aikido in an
unsafe or disrespectful manner.

I feel embarrassed and sad that Aikido in Australia is dominated by an
organization that excludes and discriminates against fellow Aikido
practitioners.  From my experience I have not found this to be the case in
other countries, where I have been told that everyone trains with everyone
and seminars are open to all.

I can't help thinking that the narrow-minded "powers that be" at Aiki-kai
Australia, I would argue, have missed the point of O Sensei's teaching.

For those concerned about the Cleveland dojo, there have been rumours
about relocation by Council etc.   I have spoken to Redland Shire
Council and yes there is a "Master Plan" to "revamp" the showground and
buildings.

However being a government body things will take some time, to allocate
funds etc..

I have been assured by council that this is not in the near future.  It
will happen anywhere from 2 - 10 years time.

thank you for those who were concerned.

Cheers Thom

Actually Maruyama Sensei of Kokikai visited us last year, and the
year before... yeah the website is old old old.

have a look at the galley on http://www.kokikaiaustralia.org/ for
proof :o)

On 10/01/2006, at 10:24 AM, dan wrote:

> Hi All,
> Have begun working on a chronology of Ki Aikido in Australia - but
> still very much a work in progress and grammatical expression :). Its
> maintained on the following page...
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> http://griffithaikido.com/kiaikidoaustralia.html
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> I'd be interested in contributions/corrections people might have, in
> particular the development of Kokikai in Australia.
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> best wishes,
> danny
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> nathan qld 4111, australia
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