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Re: [AUS-Croquet] Advanced Play

I have been interested in the opinions on this subject.
In SA we have used lift and contact and large lawns for all players for many years now.
It has both advantages and disadvantages.  The main reason for introducing it was that more than half of all our players were spending their whole croquet life in the lower divisions, and although they were lacking in coordination skills, many were quite intelligent (for Australians) and claimed they were quite capable of understanding the laws and tactics related to lift and contact.  In other words, I suppose they felt they were being treated as "second-class citizens" being relegated to half-lawns and required to play under different rules.

As a coach, I believe it is good policy, as in many other sports (tennis, squash, golf, etc.) to start a player hitting the full length of the full-size lawn from the first time they have a mallet in their hands.  In tennis they get youngsters to just belt the ball into the back-stop as hard as they can; never mind where it goes.  Don't worry about direction; just get them to swing  right back, right through, and try to hit the ball in the middle.  Far too many croquet players start by poking, prodding and jabbing which is encouraged by small lawns.  They also learn to roll from one hoop to the next, without setting out a break properly.

On the other hand, the long shots needed on a full-size lawn can lead to knee-bending, side-style splits and rolls, or over-use of wrists, all of which are used in an effort to obtain more power, and are also undesirable.

Perhaps the only constructive thing I can say is that I am sure we would have no chance at all of persuading them to go back to half-lawns and play with lift or contact.

The answer to teaching players to set up good leaves and play good breaks is not to use smaller lawns, but to play a lot more handicap games; especially with "full bisques" to a base of (say) 5 or 6.  But then, of course, they will complain about having to spend half the time sitting down and watching the opponent go around using all his bisques.

I doubt that you can win this one, whichever way you go.

JR.



On 02/05/2008, at 12:52 PM, chris clarke wrote:

I entirely agree. Half courts is the way forward for high bisquers. If you played a big event once a year with everyone playing on half courts, they could watch better players as well.
 
Chris





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Hi all I'd like to get an idea of the situation in each State as to whether or not all tournaments are Advanced Play, or whether 4th Div players are excluded...
Doron Gunzburg
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May 1, 2008
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Doron, In South Australia all events for players of all handicaps are played under "Advanced" rules. John Riches....
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In Western Australia, WACA State Singles and Doubles are all (incl Div 4) advanced play. Kay Chynoweth To: AUS-Croquet@...:...
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Hi Doron In Qld I dont know of any real h'cap tournaments being played. Advanced adds another dimension to the game and if you have to give a heap of bisques...
Ernie & Margaret
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Ernie The question is whether , for fourth Div , your tournaments are advanced or level play. In Vic the tradition has been to only have level...which in my...
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Doran, I think you are confusing the issue here. You have asked whether they play advanced or level play, I think what you are really asking is whether or not...
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I entirely agree. Half courts is the way forward for high bisquers. If you played a big event once a year with everyone playing on half courts, they could...
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I have been interested in the opinions on this subject. In SA we have used lift and contact and large lawns for all players for many years now. It has both...
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Trevor I agree I was not as clear as I might have been vis a vis advanced level, advanced handicap and ordinary level play. But I think people got my drift. I...
Doron Gunzburg
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Hi all Im sure I havnt seen any real h'cap tournaments regardless of div. I think it is good practice for the beginners, the rules are simpler and except for...
Ernie & Margaret
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Doron, Ernie et al The question is whether play is advanced or ordinary, OR handicap or level - but NOT advanced or level as these are not mutually exclusive. ...
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Sorry Martyn, I hadn't read your reply which had already corrected/addressed Doron's confusion on the advanced and level question. ...
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Hi all Every interclub, and most club, events in Central Queensland region are advanced handicap. Works well, and is closer to the level game they have to...
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The following experience I had may be of interest. Two years ago I organized (in Ottawa, Canada) a (level play, Advanced rules) AC tournament to which...
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