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Re: [ATTA] Re: chatting

I am not quiet clear of the use of chemicals but one thing I  am sure that the more and more high tech are being used in the all kinds of sports. All other sports are aiming at faster and better  bu  the table tennis  that is aiming at slower and boring. We are joking here that  table tennis might be merged into tennis in a form that tennis would be put on a mechanical smaller platform. I really don;t understand the reform at the present.


From: Joe Burkhart <burkhart.joe@...>
To: ATTC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:37:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ATTA] Re: chatting

The Greg Letts blog talks about this and has a link to the ITTF "explanation" letter.

http://tabletennis. about.com/ b/2008/08/ 17/ittf-explain- position- on-speed- glue-booster- ban.htm#gB3

There are some insightful comments at the bottom of the page -- I especially liked the one from Jay Tuberville.

In my opinion it probably all comes down to money, and the decision makers are being influenced by the manufacturers. They must see more profit in producing "enhanced" rubber than they do in selling glue -- plus as one commenter pointed out, there are low cost alternatives to speed glue so the mfctrs, make no extra money.

I like the idea of no chemicals in a sport -- less science more equality, but that's not realistic. It seems this way in every sport though. The science races to improve performance -- golf clubs and balls, track shoes, tennis racquets, skis, toboggans, pinewood derby, whatever. Competitors want faster, so manufacturers have a market. Science will always play a part. If everyone had to use the same bat, participation would suffer and we definitely don't want that!

I'm trying to think of any other sport that allows a player to put a chemical or any type of performance enhancing solution on their equipment. Maybe there is. Anyone?

Joe
(former speed gluer)

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Kenneth Beauchamp <masher61@hotmail. com> wrote:

I was searching for the reason of the 40 mm ball : ), and the reason behind the struggle on one hand to slow the game down and on the other to speed it up.also opinions on equipment and how it effects the sport from tables, height of net, rackets, scoring, and rubber. We on one hand ban some rubbers but not others with the same characteristics. We ban all types of glue or anything that changes the supposed playing charateristics of rubber and then manufactors bring out rubber that "replaces" glueing. They say for our health but they brought out speed glues that were water based and they were banned too. I am looking for the reason behind the supposed reason.
 And I like how you get that my opinion is because I am older, well maybe I am older but that has nothing to do with my opinion. I am still not blind, at least not totaly.

                                            Kenneth




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> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:23:07 -0600
> Subject: RE: [ATTA] Re: chatting
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> From: ATTC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:ATTC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
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> longer rallies.Since the 40 mm ball has been adopted all I have seen is more
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>> Jeff, thanks a lot for your kimd information. We have all the rubbers you
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>>> butterfly Photino+ Double Happiness Hurrican 39 + Butterfly Sriver-FX.
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>>> I like gluing very much. At the moment I am considering the use of the
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>>> rubbers made outside of China so that I will meet the reality of
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>>> nongluing. therefore I would like to chat with any friends from you
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>>> about it. Any chat on table tennis would be highly welcomed.
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>> Several rubbers you should consider using that have a speed glue
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>> effect are: the Butterfly Tenergy 05, Tenergy 25, Ternergy 64;
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Hello, everybody there! I am an amatuer table tennis player from Beijing, China. I go to my club 3-4 times a week. I just changed my holding from pen-hold to...
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... Nice to have you! Several rubbers you should consider using that have a speed glue effect are: the Butterfly Tenergy 05, Tenergy 25, Ternergy 64; Xiom ...
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Jeff, thanks a lot for your kimd information.Ā  We have all the rubbers you mentioned thouhg some of them are very expensive here. AtĀ  the moment I still use...
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Feb 11, 2009
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bjcn, better to make the change sooner rather than later. I think all rubbers are expensive.if anything, buy a bulk amount of what you currently use. You may...
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The purpose of the 40 mm ball was to slow down the speed of the ball and also the spin. The reason was to make it more spectator friendly and for longer...
Kenneth Beauchamp
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Feb 11, 2009
11:07 pm

Since you're asking for opinions...here's mine. The older you get, the more you migrate back to the beauty of the hardbat game and the hardbat itself. See...
Rick Mueller
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Feb 12, 2009
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I was searching for the reason of the 40 mm ball : ), and the reason behind the struggle on one hand to slow the game down and on the other to speed it up.also...
Kenneth Beauchamp
masherken
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Feb 13, 2009
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The Greg Letts blog talks about this and has a link to the ITTF "explanation" letter. ...
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thnaks for your suggestion. the problem for me to change rubber is thatĀ  it means I have to changeĀ  many things technically. I am not a professional player....
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Feb 13, 2009
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bjcn, Some of these new tension rubbers make looping effortless, fast and spinny. so while you may have to change your stroke slightly, I don't think by much....
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I am not quiet clear of the use of chemicals but one thing I  am sure that the more and more high tech are being used in the all kinds of sports. All other...
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I think waht evryone would like is longer rallys instead of 3rd or 5th ball kills. It was many years ago before they lowered the net from 6 3/4 inches to 6(to...
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